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Ansar al Islam is listed in Kurd ss a Kurdish group? Are they?
Ansar al-Islam is a Kurdish islamic group ! see * Mullah Krekar Interview
Ansar al Islam is not a Kurdish organisation.. Kurds are not radical islamist. Selocan49 ( talk) 03:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The Foreign Nationals Directorate of Norway and the Security Police of Norway utilized this page as one of their sources in a case when the norwegian authorities wanted to expel Ansar al-Islam leader Mullah Krekar from Norway... S
Turn towards those who are on Haq.(AlQuran)
if you are on right path pl answer these questions. 1-Why you were helping sadam when he was making worst attrocities on Shia & kurds. 2-What is meant by the ayat to the prophet(SAWAW)that convey this message & if not done the task of prophethood is not done & Allah save you from enemies.After this the Prophet Said mun kun to mulahu fahaza aliyun mulah. narrated bu many sunnah books.Hazrat Umer & all muslims congratulated Hazear Ali(A.S). 3-Why Hazrat Umar stoped the prophet in writting last testimony to save umah from going astray. 4-Why usama was selected in the presence of such big sahabas at the last moment of prophet (A.S) 5- Why the prophet ordered everyone to go for Jihad under usama except Hazrat Ali (A.S) 6-Why no one went for Jihad inspite of curse from the holy prophet (SAWAW) 7-Why Hazrat Abubakar was stoped by God orders from proclaiming even one ayat of Sura Barat and God's ordered that either the prophet (SAWAW) should go himself or send member of his family.(Ahlaybait). so the prophet sent Hazrat Ali (A.S) narrated by many Sunnah books. 8-According to Bukhari even Hazrat samia (PBUH) was more superior than Hazrat Umar. 9-If Hazrat Abubakar in the eyes of God is not entitle to got implement even one Ayat of AlQuran how he can be selected to enforce the whole Alquran & shariyat. 10- Why hazrat Ali refused to accept the khilafat after the death of hazrat umer. 11-Why the holy prophet took hazrat Ali hazrat Fatima hassan & hussain (A.S)for mubahila when others including his (SAWAW) own sons were present & were more superior to them according to your faith. 12-When the Alquran clearly said who are the rulers for muslims why you rejected God's orders. 13- hazrat Abubakar & hazrat Umer both left the holy prophet & ran from battle uhud but hazrat Ali (A.S.) Did not instead Hazrat Ali (A.S) prtected the prophet at every critical stage of life. 14-During jungay Khaibar Hazrat abubakar & hazrat Umar were given the leadership for conquerring khaibar but both ran.then the prophet said tomorrow I will give the flag to that person who loves God & God loves him too so next day he gave the flag to Hazrat Ali (A.S). This narration is in many sunnah books. This proves that God does not love those who were sent before.
Kurdish Islamic Organisations and Groups is not necessarily, there is already a category (Kurdish organization)
Does this lengthy piece really belong in this article? -- Vindheim 07:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any sources for the statement that local Kurds beleive that there is a link between Ansar al-Islam and Hussein's government? (Not saying that they don't, would just like to see verification...) crazyeddie 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
MeDoc 19:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
hi this is just a formating suggestion and doesn't concern content, i think the first paragraph is well written and should be presented as summary of a seperate article as the section is getting too long. feel free to come up a better title for that article, the title name i wrote is just a suggestion. Burnt-sienna 15:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the section on alleged links should be organized; what we have is a random list of quotes from articles. This is good raw material, but an organized discussion of the alleged links and the evidence concerning Abu Wa'il, Mullah Krekar, etc. would be useful. I have added a few sentences about Powell's speech since it is cited in a manner that appears definitive even though it is well known that Powell changed his position dramatically on the issue. I also added the point that the consensus of experts and of the intelligence community is that A-I does not establish a Saddam al-Qaeda link. The way it was worded made it appear that such a link was still quite probable, whereas very few even believe that it was plausible. csloat 18:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies Commentary reference needs an online reference. Also, I don't see why the speculations of a current Iraqi politician should be given the weight you are giving them in this section. Would the speculations of Dick Cheney qualify as a source for this? Reports by intelligence agencies are obviously more credible than speculation of a sitting politician who offers no proof for what he is saying. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 02:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Including something as a source when the source himself claims that what he is saying is speculation which he can't prove doesn't remotely qualify as a source. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 03:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The Ansar al-Islam did, however, never engage Baathist forces...
How do we know this to be true? According to a captured former Iraqi official, his government "blamed Ansar al-Islam for two bombings in Baghdad." (2006 Senate Intelligence Report, p. 93) This unnamed official described to the FBI how he traveled to Saddam's presidential palace to refute accusations made by then Secretary of State Colin Powell. smb1971 19:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the article could be split, however, we could keep some of the suggested split material and just put a main article link. Thoughts? Eric Wester 16:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is an extremely one-sided entry that aims to bolster the almost universally discredited notions that a) Ansar al-Islam had something other than a tangential relationship to al Qaeda, and b) that AI had some sort of operational relationship with and the support of Sadaam. These are AM Radio talking points masquerading as an encyclopedia entry. It would be quite easy to come up with a list of quotes from newspaper articles making the case that these supposed Ansar al-Islam connections to Saddam were anything but the wishful thinking of Douglas J. Feith. This article needs a massive overhaul. It really belongs on "Conservapedia." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg ( talk • contribs)
Ok, I fixed it. A list of highly suspect allegations have no place in an encyclopedia article. Stick to facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg ( talk • contribs) 23:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going through this line by line. This line: "Ansar al-Islam fortified a number of villages along the Iranian border, under the protection of Iranian artillery support." listed a CS Monitor article as a reference, yet no where in that article did it even mention Iranian artillery. In fact, most of the article details how hostile Iran has been to AI. So I don't know where that is coming from. Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 01:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it is vital to assert that AI has "Iranian support." I have read that there may be independent groups and individuals in Iran that have provided AI with funds, but you could assert the same thing about groups and individuals in Europe. But you wouldn't say AI has "German support" because a group in Germany gave them funds. I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever indicating that the Iranian government is supporting them. In fact, most of what I've read has indicated that the government has been hostile to AI. Obviously, all of this is very murky and there are few hard facts on this subject. In light of that, I think the article should take a conservative approach and try to avoid speculation or lists of allegations. Thoughts? Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 14:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll wait and see what you find. My point, however, was that when you say "Iranian support" it implies the "official" support of the Iranian regime. It is more complicated than that, so that is misleading. Anyway, I'll wait for your documentation. Thanks. Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 15:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
>>"It has however been established that the later leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi stayed in the Ansar al-Islam enclave in 2002/2003." The reference for this is a defunct blog. The "PWHCE" is not a credible source -- and it doesn't even exist anymore. I'm not necessarily disputing the line on al-Zarqawi, but this needs a credible source. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 21:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
This line: "During its stay in the Biyara region the group would have needed logistical support from Iran, prompting allegations of support from "powerful factions in Iran."[2]" That sounds like an argument, not a fact. I'm trying to avoid an edit war here, so I'm airing my criticism of these before deletion. I think this needs to be either rephrased or eliminated. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 21:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
The page had been essentially untouched since 2008. Gone through and performed a clean up on the text, made it easier to understand, added infobox, added couple more recent events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazkthul ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 15:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I started a discussion on how to format names with al-Qaeda in the title at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Terrorism#Acronyms of groups with al-Qaeda in name. This group uses al in the title and could be considered part of the discussion. Capitalization of proper names should go with the most common use of name in reliable sources, not Wikipedians' preferences. ~ Technophant ( talk) 17:42, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
This didn't happen. what happened is that 50 members (not leaders as written in the article) gave Bay'ah to IS. the rest of the group in Iraq and Syria is still active! 3bdulelah ( talk) 15:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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What was wrong with this: [3] Seems like at least one of the sources is 100% solid and other two look OK. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 14:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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Ansar al Islam is listed in Kurd ss a Kurdish group? Are they?
Ansar al-Islam is a Kurdish islamic group ! see * Mullah Krekar Interview
Ansar al Islam is not a Kurdish organisation.. Kurds are not radical islamist. Selocan49 ( talk) 03:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The Foreign Nationals Directorate of Norway and the Security Police of Norway utilized this page as one of their sources in a case when the norwegian authorities wanted to expel Ansar al-Islam leader Mullah Krekar from Norway... S
Turn towards those who are on Haq.(AlQuran)
if you are on right path pl answer these questions. 1-Why you were helping sadam when he was making worst attrocities on Shia & kurds. 2-What is meant by the ayat to the prophet(SAWAW)that convey this message & if not done the task of prophethood is not done & Allah save you from enemies.After this the Prophet Said mun kun to mulahu fahaza aliyun mulah. narrated bu many sunnah books.Hazrat Umer & all muslims congratulated Hazear Ali(A.S). 3-Why Hazrat Umar stoped the prophet in writting last testimony to save umah from going astray. 4-Why usama was selected in the presence of such big sahabas at the last moment of prophet (A.S) 5- Why the prophet ordered everyone to go for Jihad under usama except Hazrat Ali (A.S) 6-Why no one went for Jihad inspite of curse from the holy prophet (SAWAW) 7-Why Hazrat Abubakar was stoped by God orders from proclaiming even one ayat of Sura Barat and God's ordered that either the prophet (SAWAW) should go himself or send member of his family.(Ahlaybait). so the prophet sent Hazrat Ali (A.S) narrated by many Sunnah books. 8-According to Bukhari even Hazrat samia (PBUH) was more superior than Hazrat Umar. 9-If Hazrat Abubakar in the eyes of God is not entitle to got implement even one Ayat of AlQuran how he can be selected to enforce the whole Alquran & shariyat. 10- Why hazrat Ali refused to accept the khilafat after the death of hazrat umer. 11-Why the holy prophet took hazrat Ali hazrat Fatima hassan & hussain (A.S)for mubahila when others including his (SAWAW) own sons were present & were more superior to them according to your faith. 12-When the Alquran clearly said who are the rulers for muslims why you rejected God's orders. 13- hazrat Abubakar & hazrat Umer both left the holy prophet & ran from battle uhud but hazrat Ali (A.S.) Did not instead Hazrat Ali (A.S) prtected the prophet at every critical stage of life. 14-During jungay Khaibar Hazrat abubakar & hazrat Umar were given the leadership for conquerring khaibar but both ran.then the prophet said tomorrow I will give the flag to that person who loves God & God loves him too so next day he gave the flag to Hazrat Ali (A.S). This narration is in many sunnah books. This proves that God does not love those who were sent before.
Kurdish Islamic Organisations and Groups is not necessarily, there is already a category (Kurdish organization)
Does this lengthy piece really belong in this article? -- Vindheim 07:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any sources for the statement that local Kurds beleive that there is a link between Ansar al-Islam and Hussein's government? (Not saying that they don't, would just like to see verification...) crazyeddie 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
MeDoc 19:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
hi this is just a formating suggestion and doesn't concern content, i think the first paragraph is well written and should be presented as summary of a seperate article as the section is getting too long. feel free to come up a better title for that article, the title name i wrote is just a suggestion. Burnt-sienna 15:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the section on alleged links should be organized; what we have is a random list of quotes from articles. This is good raw material, but an organized discussion of the alleged links and the evidence concerning Abu Wa'il, Mullah Krekar, etc. would be useful. I have added a few sentences about Powell's speech since it is cited in a manner that appears definitive even though it is well known that Powell changed his position dramatically on the issue. I also added the point that the consensus of experts and of the intelligence community is that A-I does not establish a Saddam al-Qaeda link. The way it was worded made it appear that such a link was still quite probable, whereas very few even believe that it was plausible. csloat 18:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies Commentary reference needs an online reference. Also, I don't see why the speculations of a current Iraqi politician should be given the weight you are giving them in this section. Would the speculations of Dick Cheney qualify as a source for this? Reports by intelligence agencies are obviously more credible than speculation of a sitting politician who offers no proof for what he is saying. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 02:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Including something as a source when the source himself claims that what he is saying is speculation which he can't prove doesn't remotely qualify as a source. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 03:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The Ansar al-Islam did, however, never engage Baathist forces...
How do we know this to be true? According to a captured former Iraqi official, his government "blamed Ansar al-Islam for two bombings in Baghdad." (2006 Senate Intelligence Report, p. 93) This unnamed official described to the FBI how he traveled to Saddam's presidential palace to refute accusations made by then Secretary of State Colin Powell. smb1971 19:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the article could be split, however, we could keep some of the suggested split material and just put a main article link. Thoughts? Eric Wester 16:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is an extremely one-sided entry that aims to bolster the almost universally discredited notions that a) Ansar al-Islam had something other than a tangential relationship to al Qaeda, and b) that AI had some sort of operational relationship with and the support of Sadaam. These are AM Radio talking points masquerading as an encyclopedia entry. It would be quite easy to come up with a list of quotes from newspaper articles making the case that these supposed Ansar al-Islam connections to Saddam were anything but the wishful thinking of Douglas J. Feith. This article needs a massive overhaul. It really belongs on "Conservapedia." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg ( talk • contribs)
Ok, I fixed it. A list of highly suspect allegations have no place in an encyclopedia article. Stick to facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg ( talk • contribs) 23:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going through this line by line. This line: "Ansar al-Islam fortified a number of villages along the Iranian border, under the protection of Iranian artillery support." listed a CS Monitor article as a reference, yet no where in that article did it even mention Iranian artillery. In fact, most of the article details how hostile Iran has been to AI. So I don't know where that is coming from. Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 01:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it is vital to assert that AI has "Iranian support." I have read that there may be independent groups and individuals in Iran that have provided AI with funds, but you could assert the same thing about groups and individuals in Europe. But you wouldn't say AI has "German support" because a group in Germany gave them funds. I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever indicating that the Iranian government is supporting them. In fact, most of what I've read has indicated that the government has been hostile to AI. Obviously, all of this is very murky and there are few hard facts on this subject. In light of that, I think the article should take a conservative approach and try to avoid speculation or lists of allegations. Thoughts? Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 14:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll wait and see what you find. My point, however, was that when you say "Iranian support" it implies the "official" support of the Iranian regime. It is more complicated than that, so that is misleading. Anyway, I'll wait for your documentation. Thanks. Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 15:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
>>"It has however been established that the later leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi stayed in the Ansar al-Islam enclave in 2002/2003." The reference for this is a defunct blog. The "PWHCE" is not a credible source -- and it doesn't even exist anymore. I'm not necessarily disputing the line on al-Zarqawi, but this needs a credible source. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 21:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
This line: "During its stay in the Biyara region the group would have needed logistical support from Iran, prompting allegations of support from "powerful factions in Iran."[2]" That sounds like an argument, not a fact. I'm trying to avoid an edit war here, so I'm airing my criticism of these before deletion. I think this needs to be either rephrased or eliminated. -- Ashe the Cyborg ( talk) 21:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
The page had been essentially untouched since 2008. Gone through and performed a clean up on the text, made it easier to understand, added infobox, added couple more recent events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazkthul ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 15:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I started a discussion on how to format names with al-Qaeda in the title at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Terrorism#Acronyms of groups with al-Qaeda in name. This group uses al in the title and could be considered part of the discussion. Capitalization of proper names should go with the most common use of name in reliable sources, not Wikipedians' preferences. ~ Technophant ( talk) 17:42, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
This didn't happen. what happened is that 50 members (not leaders as written in the article) gave Bay'ah to IS. the rest of the group in Iraq and Syria is still active! 3bdulelah ( talk) 15:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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What was wrong with this: [3] Seems like at least one of the sources is 100% solid and other two look OK. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 14:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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