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Needs verification on some facts -- has sourcing on some stuff, but not other stuff. Yksin 04:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC) |
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you are missing very important info here at angela goethals's bio because her date of birth is may 20 1977 and she has been married to fellow actor russell soder since 2005 and she has 2 children. Robby mercier ( talk) 10:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done - see later duplicate edit requests. -- Euryalus ( talk) 02:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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if wikipedia thinks that angela goethals might have died and that is why they're refusing to do it with putting in at her bio about her date of birth being may 20 1977 and the fact that she's been married to russell soder since 2005 and she's got 2 kids.
well let me make it clear she hasn't died yet she's still living.
if you're not going to add that important info in at her bio wikipedia, well then may i do it myself?
because it's really bugging me that you're not adding that important info in at her biography. Robby mercier ( talk) 08:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done on procedural grounds as this is basically the same edit request as the one above. You need a reliable source for the proposed date of birth and middle name. As suggested above, try asking about allmovies.com at WP:RSN or find these details in some other source that meets WP:RS. -- Euryalus ( talk) 10:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
here, here, here, these are other places that say that angela bethany goethals was INDEED BORN ON MAY 20 1977 homealone.fandom.com, bestofdate.com, ranker.com, celebsfacts.com, 24.fandom.com, alchetron.com.
because i'm not giving up on this until you put that info in at her wikipedia bio. Robby mercier ( talk) 23:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Administrator note @ Robby mercier: appreciate your passion for adding detail to this article but the constant repetition and the all caps replies are starting to become disruptive. Please don't continue to do this. You're welcome to keep contributing to this page but not in the way you're doing now.
On the actual topic, you may be right re the birthdate etc but an encyclopaedia requires reliable sources for all its content and you have not yet definitively provided any. You've been recommended to try the reliable sources noticeboard which is a good place to get help with sourcing proposed edits. Or you're welcome to keep looking for alternative sources and posting them here for discussion. But do please heed the above (hopefully polite) warning to tone it down a little and approach conversations in a more collegiate way. Hope thats clear and all the best with finding the sources you need. -- Euryalus ( talk)<
oh it's just ludicrous that wikipedia continues to be stubborn and strict with the way they do things, i'm really fed up now i'm getting to the point where i won't come on this site anymore ever again they continue to twist around and make it sound like it's my fault when no it isn't my fault when i have told them more than 20 places that say it's the truth that she was born on may 20 1977 and wikipedia continues to not budge,
that's it, if wikipedia does not budge this time when they see this speech of mine then i'll boycott this site because this indeed ludicrous when virtually everyplace on the planet says she was born on may 20 1977.
because i have told them all of the places where i saw that angela goethals's date of birth is may 20 1977 and they continue to refuse to put that important info in at her biography.
oh for god sake her bios at allmovie.com, rotten tomatoes.com, film reference.com, the movie database.com, imdb.com, turner classic movies.com, amazon.com, celebsagewiki.com, famousstardom.com, famousbirthdays.com, bodysize.org, popularnetworth.com, peoplepill.com, famousmarried.com, celebscouples.com, allfamous.org, fandango.com, wikilogy.com, homealone.fandom.com, bestofdate.com, ranker.com, celebsfacts.com, alchetron.com, 24.fandom.com,
that is 24 different places that say she was indeed born on may 20 1977, but,
i don't know how to do it though with sharing her bios on this site from those 24 different sites Robby mercier ( talk) 14:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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can wikipedia please budge already about putting the words date of birth may 20 1977 in angela goethals's bio?
when i have told them about more than 20 different places that say it's the truth she was born on may 20 1977.
or unless angela goethals herself told you wikipedia,
that she doesn't want it posted in her wikipedia bio about her date of birth being may 20 1977, and about the fact that she has been married to russell soder since 2005, and the fact that she has 2 kids? Robby mercier ( talk) 02:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
RhythmOne (who acquired All Media Guide, formerly AllRovi) operates the websites AllMusic, AllMovie, and AllGame (defunct). There is consensus that RhythmOne websites are usable for entertainment reviews with in-text attribution. Some editors question the accuracy of these websites for biographical details and recommend more reliable sources when available. Editors also advise against using AllMusic's genre classifications from the website's sidebar. Listings without accompanying prose do not count toward notability.
i want to thank you so much wikipedia for adding angela goethals's date of birth into her bio there.
because this means alot to me because of how much i love home alone 1 and now it means,
that all 4 of them in that movie that were born in 1977 along with me all now have their dates of birth at their bios here,
devin ratray, hillary wolf, angela goethals and michael c. maronna.
because all 4 of them make me laugh in that movie with their quotes. Robby mercier ( talk) 12:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
I've removed her DOB as the source was Allmovie.com. Allmovie has been using summaries based on articles on Wikipedia. Which would likely make it WP:MIRROR. There's currently a discussion over at the reliable sources noticeboard. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#allmovie.com_now_using_film_descriptions_and_actor_biographies_from_Wikipedia Kcj5062 ( talk) 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Whether if it's the truth or not, anything that's either unsourced or poorly sourced is subject for removal. Just because the "whole planet" says that's her DOB doesn't mean any of them are reliable sources as none of those sites provide any information as to how the material is obtained or verified. Which is a huge red flag when it comes to using such pages as a reliable source for BLPs. Per WP:BLPPRIVACY, the number of acceptable sources when it comes to WP:DOB is extremely slim. A truly reliable Secondary source(IE a magazine such as Los Angeles Times or New York Times. And preferably multiple of these) reporting their exact DOB. Or a social media post from the subject themselves where he or she confirms his or her birthday and preferably either his or her age or YOB in the same post as well. Failing either one of those, they should be kept out of the article for now. Kcj5062 ( talk) 16:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Needs verification on some facts -- has sourcing on some stuff, but not other stuff. Yksin 04:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC) |
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you are missing very important info here at angela goethals's bio because her date of birth is may 20 1977 and she has been married to fellow actor russell soder since 2005 and she has 2 children. Robby mercier ( talk) 10:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done - see later duplicate edit requests. -- Euryalus ( talk) 02:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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if wikipedia thinks that angela goethals might have died and that is why they're refusing to do it with putting in at her bio about her date of birth being may 20 1977 and the fact that she's been married to russell soder since 2005 and she's got 2 kids.
well let me make it clear she hasn't died yet she's still living.
if you're not going to add that important info in at her bio wikipedia, well then may i do it myself?
because it's really bugging me that you're not adding that important info in at her biography. Robby mercier ( talk) 08:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done on procedural grounds as this is basically the same edit request as the one above. You need a reliable source for the proposed date of birth and middle name. As suggested above, try asking about allmovies.com at WP:RSN or find these details in some other source that meets WP:RS. -- Euryalus ( talk) 10:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
here, here, here, these are other places that say that angela bethany goethals was INDEED BORN ON MAY 20 1977 homealone.fandom.com, bestofdate.com, ranker.com, celebsfacts.com, 24.fandom.com, alchetron.com.
because i'm not giving up on this until you put that info in at her wikipedia bio. Robby mercier ( talk) 23:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Administrator note @ Robby mercier: appreciate your passion for adding detail to this article but the constant repetition and the all caps replies are starting to become disruptive. Please don't continue to do this. You're welcome to keep contributing to this page but not in the way you're doing now.
On the actual topic, you may be right re the birthdate etc but an encyclopaedia requires reliable sources for all its content and you have not yet definitively provided any. You've been recommended to try the reliable sources noticeboard which is a good place to get help with sourcing proposed edits. Or you're welcome to keep looking for alternative sources and posting them here for discussion. But do please heed the above (hopefully polite) warning to tone it down a little and approach conversations in a more collegiate way. Hope thats clear and all the best with finding the sources you need. -- Euryalus ( talk)<
oh it's just ludicrous that wikipedia continues to be stubborn and strict with the way they do things, i'm really fed up now i'm getting to the point where i won't come on this site anymore ever again they continue to twist around and make it sound like it's my fault when no it isn't my fault when i have told them more than 20 places that say it's the truth that she was born on may 20 1977 and wikipedia continues to not budge,
that's it, if wikipedia does not budge this time when they see this speech of mine then i'll boycott this site because this indeed ludicrous when virtually everyplace on the planet says she was born on may 20 1977.
because i have told them all of the places where i saw that angela goethals's date of birth is may 20 1977 and they continue to refuse to put that important info in at her biography.
oh for god sake her bios at allmovie.com, rotten tomatoes.com, film reference.com, the movie database.com, imdb.com, turner classic movies.com, amazon.com, celebsagewiki.com, famousstardom.com, famousbirthdays.com, bodysize.org, popularnetworth.com, peoplepill.com, famousmarried.com, celebscouples.com, allfamous.org, fandango.com, wikilogy.com, homealone.fandom.com, bestofdate.com, ranker.com, celebsfacts.com, alchetron.com, 24.fandom.com,
that is 24 different places that say she was indeed born on may 20 1977, but,
i don't know how to do it though with sharing her bios on this site from those 24 different sites Robby mercier ( talk) 14:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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can wikipedia please budge already about putting the words date of birth may 20 1977 in angela goethals's bio?
when i have told them about more than 20 different places that say it's the truth she was born on may 20 1977.
or unless angela goethals herself told you wikipedia,
that she doesn't want it posted in her wikipedia bio about her date of birth being may 20 1977, and about the fact that she has been married to russell soder since 2005, and the fact that she has 2 kids? Robby mercier ( talk) 02:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
RhythmOne (who acquired All Media Guide, formerly AllRovi) operates the websites AllMusic, AllMovie, and AllGame (defunct). There is consensus that RhythmOne websites are usable for entertainment reviews with in-text attribution. Some editors question the accuracy of these websites for biographical details and recommend more reliable sources when available. Editors also advise against using AllMusic's genre classifications from the website's sidebar. Listings without accompanying prose do not count toward notability.
i want to thank you so much wikipedia for adding angela goethals's date of birth into her bio there.
because this means alot to me because of how much i love home alone 1 and now it means,
that all 4 of them in that movie that were born in 1977 along with me all now have their dates of birth at their bios here,
devin ratray, hillary wolf, angela goethals and michael c. maronna.
because all 4 of them make me laugh in that movie with their quotes. Robby mercier ( talk) 12:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
I've removed her DOB as the source was Allmovie.com. Allmovie has been using summaries based on articles on Wikipedia. Which would likely make it WP:MIRROR. There's currently a discussion over at the reliable sources noticeboard. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#allmovie.com_now_using_film_descriptions_and_actor_biographies_from_Wikipedia Kcj5062 ( talk) 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Whether if it's the truth or not, anything that's either unsourced or poorly sourced is subject for removal. Just because the "whole planet" says that's her DOB doesn't mean any of them are reliable sources as none of those sites provide any information as to how the material is obtained or verified. Which is a huge red flag when it comes to using such pages as a reliable source for BLPs. Per WP:BLPPRIVACY, the number of acceptable sources when it comes to WP:DOB is extremely slim. A truly reliable Secondary source(IE a magazine such as Los Angeles Times or New York Times. And preferably multiple of these) reporting their exact DOB. Or a social media post from the subject themselves where he or she confirms his or her birthday and preferably either his or her age or YOB in the same post as well. Failing either one of those, they should be kept out of the article for now. Kcj5062 ( talk) 16:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)