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I think the info from these sources is notable enough to be included:
Video at this link, which is the primary source:
https://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/watch/episodes/and-still-i-rise
These are secondary sources which reference the primary source:
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/angela-davis-finding-your-roots-mayflower-ancestors-rcna71700
https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-black-panther-angela-davis-shocked-learn-descendant-mayflower
SquirrelHill1971 ( talk) 20:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Given that info from Finding Your Roots is included in the article, I wonder why her DNA results aren't included as well. I think the reading public would be interested and surprised. 2600:8800:395:B000:149:2D5B:C936:26E2 ( talk) 03:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Does a pro-Soviet communist who was feted in Soviet-block countries qualify as "progressive"? Was a close political ally of apocalyptic communist Jim Jones "progressive"? What are the criteria employed to designate her as a progressive? These are questions, not provocations. Nicmart ( talk) 05:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
I am having trouble finding information about Angela Davis' doctoral dissertation. Sources that note of PhD award say it is from the University of Berlin. However a 2020 book, »Schwarze Schwester Angela« - Die DDR und Angela Davis, notes that the dissertation could not be found at the University of Berlin. Also the year seems unclear. Some sources note it was written in the 1960s, others the 1970s. The only article that seems to be a primary source on this topic comes from a 1981 DDR newspaper where Davis notes she had returned to Germany to complete the dissertation. So that would imply it was post-1981. Any information to help pin down the precise subject/date of award/dissertation topic would be greatly appreciated. Jjazz76 ( talk) 00:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
She's been consistently active for decades, so it's probably best to just judge based on image quality. The Gotfryd picture is probably the best quality picture we have of her (it's a featured picture, etc). The 2014 picture is very, very snapshotty. File:Angela Davis at Oregon State University.jpg (from 2019) is much better, but cuts off the top of her head. A Flickr search with appropriate filters for licensing gets some that are at least a bit better than the existing 2014 option, like https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsapponline/15852241216/ or https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsapponline/15258397123/ but they do have certain issues with intruding podiums and microphones.
Basically, there's nothing wrong in principle with using a recent image, but one of the big goals of images in articles is providing images suitable for reuse. As such, prioritising good quality images earlier in the article is important, and having a good-quality lead will encourage people to dig further. And, of course, where possible, you want all the best quality images of the subject in the article.
Also, switching in the 2014 without keeping the one good image we have of her in the article, and also not removing the other copy of the 2014 image so that it now appears twice doesn't help our readers. It gives double emphasis to a mediocre picture of her, and, since it's been removed from the article, buries a really good quality older photo.
Finally, and of uncertain significance, her autobiography uses a circa 1970 photo of her, which seems significant, but, y'know. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.5% of all FPs. 16:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Shaykip, Dislac ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Rabihm24 ( talk) 17:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There has been a recent spate of edits that appear to be trying to score POV points concerning Davis's ancestry. Some are fascinated by the idea that she may have ancestors from the Mayflower. This isn't a particular distinction.After 400 years there are hundreds of thousands of people (at least) with such ancestry. I probably have such ancestry, for instance. There have also been pointy edits about slave-owners as ancestors. A large proportion of African-Americans have such ancestry, the result of abuse of their forebears by their enslavers. Some of those can easily have ancestry from the Mayflower. Mention of such ancestry as some kind of special distinction or gotcha isn't making the point a lot of editors think they've made. Acroterion (talk) 00:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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I think the info from these sources is notable enough to be included:
Video at this link, which is the primary source:
https://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/watch/episodes/and-still-i-rise
These are secondary sources which reference the primary source:
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/angela-davis-finding-your-roots-mayflower-ancestors-rcna71700
https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-black-panther-angela-davis-shocked-learn-descendant-mayflower
SquirrelHill1971 ( talk) 20:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Given that info from Finding Your Roots is included in the article, I wonder why her DNA results aren't included as well. I think the reading public would be interested and surprised. 2600:8800:395:B000:149:2D5B:C936:26E2 ( talk) 03:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Does a pro-Soviet communist who was feted in Soviet-block countries qualify as "progressive"? Was a close political ally of apocalyptic communist Jim Jones "progressive"? What are the criteria employed to designate her as a progressive? These are questions, not provocations. Nicmart ( talk) 05:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
I am having trouble finding information about Angela Davis' doctoral dissertation. Sources that note of PhD award say it is from the University of Berlin. However a 2020 book, »Schwarze Schwester Angela« - Die DDR und Angela Davis, notes that the dissertation could not be found at the University of Berlin. Also the year seems unclear. Some sources note it was written in the 1960s, others the 1970s. The only article that seems to be a primary source on this topic comes from a 1981 DDR newspaper where Davis notes she had returned to Germany to complete the dissertation. So that would imply it was post-1981. Any information to help pin down the precise subject/date of award/dissertation topic would be greatly appreciated. Jjazz76 ( talk) 00:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
She's been consistently active for decades, so it's probably best to just judge based on image quality. The Gotfryd picture is probably the best quality picture we have of her (it's a featured picture, etc). The 2014 picture is very, very snapshotty. File:Angela Davis at Oregon State University.jpg (from 2019) is much better, but cuts off the top of her head. A Flickr search with appropriate filters for licensing gets some that are at least a bit better than the existing 2014 option, like https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsapponline/15852241216/ or https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsapponline/15258397123/ but they do have certain issues with intruding podiums and microphones.
Basically, there's nothing wrong in principle with using a recent image, but one of the big goals of images in articles is providing images suitable for reuse. As such, prioritising good quality images earlier in the article is important, and having a good-quality lead will encourage people to dig further. And, of course, where possible, you want all the best quality images of the subject in the article.
Also, switching in the 2014 without keeping the one good image we have of her in the article, and also not removing the other copy of the 2014 image so that it now appears twice doesn't help our readers. It gives double emphasis to a mediocre picture of her, and, since it's been removed from the article, buries a really good quality older photo.
Finally, and of uncertain significance, her autobiography uses a circa 1970 photo of her, which seems significant, but, y'know. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.5% of all FPs. 16:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Shaykip, Dislac ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Rabihm24 ( talk) 17:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There has been a recent spate of edits that appear to be trying to score POV points concerning Davis's ancestry. Some are fascinated by the idea that she may have ancestors from the Mayflower. This isn't a particular distinction.After 400 years there are hundreds of thousands of people (at least) with such ancestry. I probably have such ancestry, for instance. There have also been pointy edits about slave-owners as ancestors. A large proportion of African-Americans have such ancestry, the result of abuse of their forebears by their enslavers. Some of those can easily have ancestry from the Mayflower. Mention of such ancestry as some kind of special distinction or gotcha isn't making the point a lot of editors think they've made. Acroterion (talk) 00:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)