I put quotation marks on "lifetime ban" because I clearly recall seeing Dice on MTV in at least one subsequent appearance with David Spade. Spade played his trademark receptionist character who refused to allow Dice into the MTV Video Music Awards, citing the "lifetime ban." However, by appearing on the network the "lifetime ban" was clearly not taken very seriously. I suspect he has appeared in other segments but that's the only one I've ever seen. -- Feitclub 22:11, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
The article de-emphasizes Clay's links with traditional Jewish-American comedians who came out of the Catskills circuit, such as Rodney Dangerfield and Buddy Hackett, many of whom were quite obscene in their live performances. Clay's debt to this tradition is rather clear ; rather than a transgressive comedian like Kinison or Hicks, Clay's style of comedy was just a more extreme form of conventional stand-up styles of the sort mentioned above. Prairie Dog
"His family is Jewish" and he's not? Was he adopted? 98.4.103.242 ( talk) 14:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
There's been some back and forth editing on the exact wording of Dice's Mother Goose routines, which is somewhat futile, given that different performances and recordings have slightly different wordings. I just reverted some edits based on a quick listen of the first "Mother Goose" track from his first album, thinking that any later performances would be derivitave of that work.
Saying that, I'm not sure if the rhymes even belong in this article, as opposed to another article. And I'm not sure they belong on Wikipedia at all, given that they are copyrighted work, and it would be akin to posting lyrics to a copyrighted song. But, to about 99% of the people out there, these rhymes are the only identifiable part of his career, so maybe they should stay. I'm open to discussion on this, although I'm not sure anyone else cares that much. Jkonrath 15:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In the nursery rhymes section, the word "dumper" links to the rectums article, and the word "crack" links to the vagina one. Glad to see that this place is turning into Encyclopedia Dramatica, keep up the good work.
I was disappointed to see this article discussing his shortcomings without really mentioning how popular he was at his peak. Its mentioned only in passing that he sold out Madison Garden three times, and that comes in a sentence that calls him a hack and attributes his success to Opie and Anthony. At his peak, Clay reached heights that no comedian before or after has reached.
This article criticizes his comic style and documents his failures in great detail, but it's failure to document his successes leaves us with an incomplete and misleading entry. Anson2995 22:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree. Despite their subsequent falling out with eachother, Dice still owes a great deal to the support of Opie & Anthony during the last decade. They certainly deserve a mention for this in the main article.-- 24.47.145.73 17:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Taken care of. I think I kept it pretty fair. Payneos 05:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Andrew Dice Clay also starred in a movie called Brain Smasher: A Love Story. If someone wants to research it and add it to the article page...
I cleaned up some of the commentary type POV. The comparison to Bruce, Kinison, and Hicks as social and political commentary is a POV.
Removed the word offensive from "offensive racist comments". This is POV as Clay's fans may not find it offensive but others will...POV.
After removing a couple POV entries, the article looks well balanced. Since there hasn't been any discussion about the NPOV tag and why it was added, I have removed the tag since the NPOV entries have been removed. I already forgot 16:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed this text from the commercial failure section because it adds no new information and is obviously biased: "We also are subjected to a rant concerning the difficulty of spreading padded butter at a resturant. Dice perhaps gets his raciest, however, in the opening few minutes, when he vividly describes the process of cunt farting for the audience." First of all, we were not "subjected" to anything. Second, by calling it a rant, it makes him seem like a moron. Third, who gets to decide when he was raciest? Fourth, there has to be a better way to put it than to say cunt farting. shadowbeckoner
I believe the term you are looking for is queef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.252.66 ( talk) 12:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I was surprised to see it suggested that ADC began stand-up after Crime Story, in the late 1980s. I remember him appearing at the Comedy Store just south of Westwood (by UCLA) in the late 1970s or early 1980s, with exactly the same act, smoking the cigarette and the whole bit. I remember seeing him, myself, one night, on the bill with Yakov Smirnoff, a walk-on from Rich Hall, and the only guy to get any real laughs that night, the closer, the screamer, Sam Kinnison. Hall was grindingly boring. Smirnoff got a few giggles about how it was 'in Russia'. And ADC got barely even that. I personally didn't get his act, at the time. I wasn't laughing, either. By contrast, Kinnison's exasperated ranting about his wife, sort of Henny Youngman or Rodney Dangerfield on speed, to the point where he himself was on the floor had people almost rolling in the aisles, themselves; an appropriate cliche seeing him live.
"While doing a phone in to the Brother Weeze Show, to promote his new show, Dice said, "when he has a problem with someone, he takes care of business face to face." Then Opie from the Opie and Anthony Show comes on the phone to confront Dice, and Dice hangs up like a little girl."
I think we can all agree this should be removed... Not only of it's POV, but also because it's mentioned earlier, and in a non-pov way. (Gamingtrevor) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.185.131.54 ( talk) 18:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
For the following lines:"it was often hard for the general public to differentiate between the persona and the actual person because so many people were cinched-up morons." and "This reputation he got was grossly unfair and PC pussies should ashamed of trying to tell everyone how to act. And they're supposed to be the tolerant ones. Puhlease." Not gonna change it 'cause I don't care enough to get in an edit war over it. Scottanon 04:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the sections with links to other pages. One of the refereneces ( Mike Hunt), was just vandalism. The link to Artie Lange isn't really relevant since the content about the Dice/Lange feud was removed. The link to Opie and Anthony isn't needed since it already appears earlier in the article. And as an aside, I think this article benefits greatly by omitting all of the detailed commentary on "feuds" between Dice and various radio hosts. It's not notable and frankly a rather routine part of the radio business. Play-by-play accounts of those sorts of thing are fun for fansites, but they only serve to clutter an article like this one. Anson2995 01:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the content about Dice's appearance on the Brother Wease show and his "confrontation" with Opie and Anthony. It appeared here earlier and we deleted it once already. It's really not necessary to include a whole section everytime somebody appears on a radio show. These play-by-play accounts of feuds between radio personalities are more suitable for a fan sit than an encyclopedia article. If we start to include this stuff it's going to take over the article. Anson2995 21:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
is it me or does that last section feel like it was written by someone at vh1? Ashburn247 ( talk) 08:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Dice Equation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.18.75 ( talk) 06:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I can't believe you don't have more on this guy Theshoveljockey ( talk) 06:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree. One thing missing from the article is that the CHARACTER of "Andrew Dice Clay" is merely a character that Mr. Silverstein PLAYS for laughs - it is a parody of people from his neighborhood where he grew up, and not his actual persona. Can't believe you missed that.
Also another glaring omission was the controversy he created with his aggressive anti-gay comedy bits.
I'm guessing that his Agent put together this sanitized and whitewashed page.
FWIW.
2602:306:CCB2:C180:B927:D1E7:6625:8566 ( talk) 20:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC) The consensus seems to be that this article misrepresents the real Andrew Dice Clay, by omitting most of the controversies that defined his career. Landroo ( talk) 11:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Why was his appearance in television sitcom MASH removed? This is one of his earliest acting debuts. The role was key to his early success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.242.128 ( talk) 21:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is missing everything and anything about the #1 question most readers are going to have about the subject: Does he actually hold the politically-incorrect views his comedy routines espouse? Surely there must be a pile of pro and con reliable material on this. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
More to the point, some of his more spectacular meltdowns (notably the Arsenio Hall "I broke my ass," CNN "running a f*****g gym," and Opie + Anthony "balloon knot" tirades) hint at some sort of false front, or behind-the-scenes collapse, or both. I wonder if some sort of non-purely-OR exploration of this parallel could be relevant. Sskoog ( talk) 08:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
For someone whose public existence has been nearly defined by controversy, the absence of a "Controversies" section, is completely inappropriate. Landroo ( talk) 21:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, I changed the sentence, "He is loved by some and reviled by others for his violent, crude, misogynistic, and degrading act." to "He is loved by some and reviled by others, who feel that his act is crude, misogynistic, and degrading." I think it's less biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.168.214 ( talk) 00:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
You might want to add "homophobic" as well.
See:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/andrew-dice-clay-controversy-homophobia-blue-jasmine
Again, I believe the character of "Andrew Dice Clay" is just that - his comedic contemporaries reported that he put on this act, and slowly the character enveloped him.
From the above article (interview) with Mr. Silverstein himself:
"He goes back to this point over and over again: The Dice Man was a stage persona — it still is — and doesn’t have much to do with the guy who says he took off much of the late ’90s and last decade to raise two young sons."
Andrew Dice Clay, per se, does not exist. He is merely an act put on by Andrew Clay Silverstein. Perhaps the whole article should be tossed and rewritten as such - by folks other than his fan-boys.
Very little real research going on here!
2602:306:CCB2:C180:B927:D1E7:6625:8566 ( talk) 20:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Didn't he also run a gym? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.116.62 ( talk) 09:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Running a gym? Running a fucking gym?!
There isn't enough about the brief peak of his career, about 1800-1990 (or whatever). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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Andrew Dice Clay (*) There are several derogatory references made to this man's character sprinkled throughout the entry, such as calling him a "back stabbing jew" in an earlier paragraph, and a "pussy" near the end, in reference to the "Opie and Andy" scandal. Please, will someone clean this up, or edit it? Gdlywom 23:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC) |
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I put quotation marks on "lifetime ban" because I clearly recall seeing Dice on MTV in at least one subsequent appearance with David Spade. Spade played his trademark receptionist character who refused to allow Dice into the MTV Video Music Awards, citing the "lifetime ban." However, by appearing on the network the "lifetime ban" was clearly not taken very seriously. I suspect he has appeared in other segments but that's the only one I've ever seen. -- Feitclub 22:11, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
The article de-emphasizes Clay's links with traditional Jewish-American comedians who came out of the Catskills circuit, such as Rodney Dangerfield and Buddy Hackett, many of whom were quite obscene in their live performances. Clay's debt to this tradition is rather clear ; rather than a transgressive comedian like Kinison or Hicks, Clay's style of comedy was just a more extreme form of conventional stand-up styles of the sort mentioned above. Prairie Dog
"His family is Jewish" and he's not? Was he adopted? 98.4.103.242 ( talk) 14:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
There's been some back and forth editing on the exact wording of Dice's Mother Goose routines, which is somewhat futile, given that different performances and recordings have slightly different wordings. I just reverted some edits based on a quick listen of the first "Mother Goose" track from his first album, thinking that any later performances would be derivitave of that work.
Saying that, I'm not sure if the rhymes even belong in this article, as opposed to another article. And I'm not sure they belong on Wikipedia at all, given that they are copyrighted work, and it would be akin to posting lyrics to a copyrighted song. But, to about 99% of the people out there, these rhymes are the only identifiable part of his career, so maybe they should stay. I'm open to discussion on this, although I'm not sure anyone else cares that much. Jkonrath 15:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In the nursery rhymes section, the word "dumper" links to the rectums article, and the word "crack" links to the vagina one. Glad to see that this place is turning into Encyclopedia Dramatica, keep up the good work.
I was disappointed to see this article discussing his shortcomings without really mentioning how popular he was at his peak. Its mentioned only in passing that he sold out Madison Garden three times, and that comes in a sentence that calls him a hack and attributes his success to Opie and Anthony. At his peak, Clay reached heights that no comedian before or after has reached.
This article criticizes his comic style and documents his failures in great detail, but it's failure to document his successes leaves us with an incomplete and misleading entry. Anson2995 22:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree. Despite their subsequent falling out with eachother, Dice still owes a great deal to the support of Opie & Anthony during the last decade. They certainly deserve a mention for this in the main article.-- 24.47.145.73 17:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Taken care of. I think I kept it pretty fair. Payneos 05:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Andrew Dice Clay also starred in a movie called Brain Smasher: A Love Story. If someone wants to research it and add it to the article page...
I cleaned up some of the commentary type POV. The comparison to Bruce, Kinison, and Hicks as social and political commentary is a POV.
Removed the word offensive from "offensive racist comments". This is POV as Clay's fans may not find it offensive but others will...POV.
After removing a couple POV entries, the article looks well balanced. Since there hasn't been any discussion about the NPOV tag and why it was added, I have removed the tag since the NPOV entries have been removed. I already forgot 16:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed this text from the commercial failure section because it adds no new information and is obviously biased: "We also are subjected to a rant concerning the difficulty of spreading padded butter at a resturant. Dice perhaps gets his raciest, however, in the opening few minutes, when he vividly describes the process of cunt farting for the audience." First of all, we were not "subjected" to anything. Second, by calling it a rant, it makes him seem like a moron. Third, who gets to decide when he was raciest? Fourth, there has to be a better way to put it than to say cunt farting. shadowbeckoner
I believe the term you are looking for is queef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.252.66 ( talk) 12:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I was surprised to see it suggested that ADC began stand-up after Crime Story, in the late 1980s. I remember him appearing at the Comedy Store just south of Westwood (by UCLA) in the late 1970s or early 1980s, with exactly the same act, smoking the cigarette and the whole bit. I remember seeing him, myself, one night, on the bill with Yakov Smirnoff, a walk-on from Rich Hall, and the only guy to get any real laughs that night, the closer, the screamer, Sam Kinnison. Hall was grindingly boring. Smirnoff got a few giggles about how it was 'in Russia'. And ADC got barely even that. I personally didn't get his act, at the time. I wasn't laughing, either. By contrast, Kinnison's exasperated ranting about his wife, sort of Henny Youngman or Rodney Dangerfield on speed, to the point where he himself was on the floor had people almost rolling in the aisles, themselves; an appropriate cliche seeing him live.
"While doing a phone in to the Brother Weeze Show, to promote his new show, Dice said, "when he has a problem with someone, he takes care of business face to face." Then Opie from the Opie and Anthony Show comes on the phone to confront Dice, and Dice hangs up like a little girl."
I think we can all agree this should be removed... Not only of it's POV, but also because it's mentioned earlier, and in a non-pov way. (Gamingtrevor) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.185.131.54 ( talk) 18:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
For the following lines:"it was often hard for the general public to differentiate between the persona and the actual person because so many people were cinched-up morons." and "This reputation he got was grossly unfair and PC pussies should ashamed of trying to tell everyone how to act. And they're supposed to be the tolerant ones. Puhlease." Not gonna change it 'cause I don't care enough to get in an edit war over it. Scottanon 04:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the sections with links to other pages. One of the refereneces ( Mike Hunt), was just vandalism. The link to Artie Lange isn't really relevant since the content about the Dice/Lange feud was removed. The link to Opie and Anthony isn't needed since it already appears earlier in the article. And as an aside, I think this article benefits greatly by omitting all of the detailed commentary on "feuds" between Dice and various radio hosts. It's not notable and frankly a rather routine part of the radio business. Play-by-play accounts of those sorts of thing are fun for fansites, but they only serve to clutter an article like this one. Anson2995 01:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the content about Dice's appearance on the Brother Wease show and his "confrontation" with Opie and Anthony. It appeared here earlier and we deleted it once already. It's really not necessary to include a whole section everytime somebody appears on a radio show. These play-by-play accounts of feuds between radio personalities are more suitable for a fan sit than an encyclopedia article. If we start to include this stuff it's going to take over the article. Anson2995 21:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
is it me or does that last section feel like it was written by someone at vh1? Ashburn247 ( talk) 08:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
This is notification that I have stubbified this article for constant violations of our policy on biographies of living individuals, in particular: "Obvious bias unfixed for three months; only two references for 20kb". I request that all editors do not revert, but work to include verifiable material. Sceptre ( talk) 13:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The Dice Equation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.18.75 ( talk) 06:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I can't believe you don't have more on this guy Theshoveljockey ( talk) 06:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree. One thing missing from the article is that the CHARACTER of "Andrew Dice Clay" is merely a character that Mr. Silverstein PLAYS for laughs - it is a parody of people from his neighborhood where he grew up, and not his actual persona. Can't believe you missed that.
Also another glaring omission was the controversy he created with his aggressive anti-gay comedy bits.
I'm guessing that his Agent put together this sanitized and whitewashed page.
FWIW.
2602:306:CCB2:C180:B927:D1E7:6625:8566 ( talk) 20:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC) The consensus seems to be that this article misrepresents the real Andrew Dice Clay, by omitting most of the controversies that defined his career. Landroo ( talk) 11:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Why was his appearance in television sitcom MASH removed? This is one of his earliest acting debuts. The role was key to his early success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.242.128 ( talk) 21:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is missing everything and anything about the #1 question most readers are going to have about the subject: Does he actually hold the politically-incorrect views his comedy routines espouse? Surely there must be a pile of pro and con reliable material on this. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
More to the point, some of his more spectacular meltdowns (notably the Arsenio Hall "I broke my ass," CNN "running a f*****g gym," and Opie + Anthony "balloon knot" tirades) hint at some sort of false front, or behind-the-scenes collapse, or both. I wonder if some sort of non-purely-OR exploration of this parallel could be relevant. Sskoog ( talk) 08:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
For someone whose public existence has been nearly defined by controversy, the absence of a "Controversies" section, is completely inappropriate. Landroo ( talk) 21:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, I changed the sentence, "He is loved by some and reviled by others for his violent, crude, misogynistic, and degrading act." to "He is loved by some and reviled by others, who feel that his act is crude, misogynistic, and degrading." I think it's less biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.168.214 ( talk) 00:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
You might want to add "homophobic" as well.
See:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/andrew-dice-clay-controversy-homophobia-blue-jasmine
Again, I believe the character of "Andrew Dice Clay" is just that - his comedic contemporaries reported that he put on this act, and slowly the character enveloped him.
From the above article (interview) with Mr. Silverstein himself:
"He goes back to this point over and over again: The Dice Man was a stage persona — it still is — and doesn’t have much to do with the guy who says he took off much of the late ’90s and last decade to raise two young sons."
Andrew Dice Clay, per se, does not exist. He is merely an act put on by Andrew Clay Silverstein. Perhaps the whole article should be tossed and rewritten as such - by folks other than his fan-boys.
Very little real research going on here!
2602:306:CCB2:C180:B927:D1E7:6625:8566 ( talk) 20:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Didn't he also run a gym? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.116.62 ( talk) 09:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Running a gym? Running a fucking gym?!
There isn't enough about the brief peak of his career, about 1800-1990 (or whatever). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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Andrew Dice Clay (*) There are several derogatory references made to this man's character sprinkled throughout the entry, such as calling him a "back stabbing jew" in an earlier paragraph, and a "pussy" near the end, in reference to the "Opie and Andy" scandal. Please, will someone clean this up, or edit it? Gdlywom 23:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC) |
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