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What is it with the ridiculously ambiguous "they" used throughout the entire article? It seems like a marketing ploy, an overly simplistic attempt at really stressing this model's androgyny. Either that, or this article was written by someone whose first language is not English. In any case, this is meant to be an encyclopedia, not a vanity website or a myspace page. Please, rectify this nonsense. [Andrej Pejic will most certainly have an official gender in their passport.] Oulipal ( talk) 00:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Is Pejić Bosnian Australian or Serbian Australian? There seems to be some dispute, judging by recent edits. Do we go by current location of birthplace, location of birthplace at date of birth, ethnic identity, parenthood or what? Do we have a reliable reference to go by for this? -- David Edgar ( talk) 15:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
To whoever deleted the "Personal life" part, unless you can provide a link which says otherwise, it should/will stay up. And if an article quoted on Tumblr isn't a "valid source," then logically, all Tumblr sources will be deleted from this page as well.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.91.249 ( talk) 20:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Is it he or she? 78.2.120.18 ( talk) 17:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I understand that the MOS says we should honor Andreja Pejic's now-firmly-expressed preference for female pronouns throughout the entire article, during discussions of all periods of her life, in light of the fact that she now identifies as a transwoman and has had sex reassignment surgery. However, the major reason Pejic was notable in the first place is that, when biologically male and normally referred to as such despite her (then his) androgyny, she sometimes modeled women's clothing and was depicted artistically as if she (then he) were female. If we don't acknowledge the specific way in which Pejic was identified at that time, rather than now, many of the passages in the article become nonsensical. For example, the article currently states that "Concerns were expressed that customers would read Pejić as a topless woman." Well, of course they would! According to the article, the magazine in question featured the image of a woman removing her top. The article is, essentially, in large part specifically about how the public perceived Pejic's gender and sex and also about how that gender and sex has changed over time. The article will be incoherent unless it contains specific information about that, even if it violates the letter of the MOS that requires us to only refer to Pejic as female. I believe that information can be included in a way that is still respectful of Pejic and of her identity. -- DavidK93 ( talk) 17:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
This stupid publicity stunt (Rembrandt's idea, I guarantee it, in an attempt to further his career) probably deserves mention in the article. Anyone else have any thoughts? http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/02/andrej-pejic-not-married-despite-instagram-pic.html -- RThompson82 ( talk) 02:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
are we sure her height is 185cm? older articles (and even her page or chadwick models and possibly more agencies) say 188. -- 2A02:587:DC08:9900:84D:8784:8B5B:CE93 ( talk) 21:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
you do have a point. thus my best hypothesis is that the previous "188" label was essentially a lie. i believe i read somewhere that this is common for model agencies. sometimes if they have a good model they list him/her as just a bit taller.
but now that she has come out as a woman and no longer does male modeling it's easier to use her real height. after all very few women (even models) are 188 tall 2A02:587:DC03:2800:4922:E298:72FA:F609 ( talk) 23:11, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
what about the weight mentioned in the source i provided? it may be a source of a bit questionable integrity ..but it's the only one we got. and it does seem damn likely that 68 kg is her weight Adrian234567 ( talk) 14:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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What is it with the ridiculously ambiguous "they" used throughout the entire article? It seems like a marketing ploy, an overly simplistic attempt at really stressing this model's androgyny. Either that, or this article was written by someone whose first language is not English. In any case, this is meant to be an encyclopedia, not a vanity website or a myspace page. Please, rectify this nonsense. [Andrej Pejic will most certainly have an official gender in their passport.] Oulipal ( talk) 00:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Is Pejić Bosnian Australian or Serbian Australian? There seems to be some dispute, judging by recent edits. Do we go by current location of birthplace, location of birthplace at date of birth, ethnic identity, parenthood or what? Do we have a reliable reference to go by for this? -- David Edgar ( talk) 15:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
To whoever deleted the "Personal life" part, unless you can provide a link which says otherwise, it should/will stay up. And if an article quoted on Tumblr isn't a "valid source," then logically, all Tumblr sources will be deleted from this page as well.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.91.249 ( talk) 20:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Is it he or she? 78.2.120.18 ( talk) 17:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I understand that the MOS says we should honor Andreja Pejic's now-firmly-expressed preference for female pronouns throughout the entire article, during discussions of all periods of her life, in light of the fact that she now identifies as a transwoman and has had sex reassignment surgery. However, the major reason Pejic was notable in the first place is that, when biologically male and normally referred to as such despite her (then his) androgyny, she sometimes modeled women's clothing and was depicted artistically as if she (then he) were female. If we don't acknowledge the specific way in which Pejic was identified at that time, rather than now, many of the passages in the article become nonsensical. For example, the article currently states that "Concerns were expressed that customers would read Pejić as a topless woman." Well, of course they would! According to the article, the magazine in question featured the image of a woman removing her top. The article is, essentially, in large part specifically about how the public perceived Pejic's gender and sex and also about how that gender and sex has changed over time. The article will be incoherent unless it contains specific information about that, even if it violates the letter of the MOS that requires us to only refer to Pejic as female. I believe that information can be included in a way that is still respectful of Pejic and of her identity. -- DavidK93 ( talk) 17:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
This stupid publicity stunt (Rembrandt's idea, I guarantee it, in an attempt to further his career) probably deserves mention in the article. Anyone else have any thoughts? http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/02/andrej-pejic-not-married-despite-instagram-pic.html -- RThompson82 ( talk) 02:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
are we sure her height is 185cm? older articles (and even her page or chadwick models and possibly more agencies) say 188. -- 2A02:587:DC08:9900:84D:8784:8B5B:CE93 ( talk) 21:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
you do have a point. thus my best hypothesis is that the previous "188" label was essentially a lie. i believe i read somewhere that this is common for model agencies. sometimes if they have a good model they list him/her as just a bit taller.
but now that she has come out as a woman and no longer does male modeling it's easier to use her real height. after all very few women (even models) are 188 tall 2A02:587:DC03:2800:4922:E298:72FA:F609 ( talk) 23:11, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
what about the weight mentioned in the source i provided? it may be a source of a bit questionable integrity ..but it's the only one we got. and it does seem damn likely that 68 kg is her weight Adrian234567 ( talk) 14:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)