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User:Mombas, since you asked...
Here's WP:WEASEL: This page in a nutshell: Avoid "some people say" statements without sources. (plus other varieties of weasel statements.)
Examples from Alternative lifestyle:
"The following may be examples which are considered by some to be examples of alternate lifestyles:"
"people who might be said to"
"Alternative lifestyles are sometimes thought be an expression of social rebellion. ... in what they characterize"
"Some psychologists today, however, believe..."
"This is considered by some to be nothing more than an excuse for deviant behavior."
IMHO, that's a pretty high percentage of weasel phrases in this short article.
I guarantee 100% of the people who visited this page assumed it would mean homosexuality, primarily if not exclusively. It can't be offensive, it's a bleeding EUPHEMISM. From WP:WEASEL: "It is acceptable to use some of these phrases, if they are accompanied by a citation that supports the claim..." (IMHO as is done in the last paragraph of this article.)
From WP:WEASEL: "The following questions can be used to determine some instances of weasel words.
Who says that? When did they say it? How many people think that? How many is "some"? What kind of people think that? Where are they? What kind of bias might they have? Why is this of any significance?
We should improve this article by fixing and avoiding weasel phrases. Have a good one. :-) -- 201.50.248.179 18:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC) (Originally edited this page as "201.50.248.179")
GUEST:"some psychologists say,,," I agree that it would be helpful to know who you are talking about here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.138.52.53 ( talk) 22:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This article still has problems re WP:WEASEL. I'm not going to do it today or tomorrow, but sometime soon I'm going to come back to this article and remove all weasel statements. If there's anything in here that you don't want removed, edit it now so that it doesn't have WEASEL problems.
Also, the article needs cites! Citing is a core Wikipedia policy. It is not optional. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources, "Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor." -- Writtenonsand 14:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Vegetarianism is by NO MEANS an "Alternate Lifestyle". It is NOT "outside the cultural norm". The word 'culture' is very diverse, and in countless cultures around the world, vegetarianism has been, since ancient times, the norm.
Must be kept off this page, while often called an 'alternative lifestyle' by bigots, this is actually part of the cultural norms of all civilized cultures. -- 2.98.220.212 ( talk) 20:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I think given that alternative lifestyle is, by its very name, subjective, examples should not be provided as those examples only show some things either the author considers alternative or believes others to consider alternative. Either way, it's unrelated to the definition or history of the term. If it is in a context showing how the use of the term influenced or is influencing culture or policy, there should be sources with specifics. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
IMHO, all the letters in the LGBT should be instead considered an Alternative Life, hell it makes sense to call it that then several letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.204.144.50 ( talk) 03:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Should the Furry Fandom be part of the list? It seems like more of an aesthetic preference than a lifestyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.121.173.64 ( talk) 23:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
"Alternative lifestyles and subcultures originated in the 1920s with the "flapper" movement..." Oh no they didn't. There are many examples from Europe dataing back centuries. e.g. the Paris "left bank" artists, the Morris movement, the Chartists... An article of this kind needs to be written by someone who actually knows history. 212.159.59.5 ( talk) 16:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I thought that was just a hobby or something? Please Explain.-- Jack Cox ( talk) 06:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Should these groups be considered as part of the article on alternative lifestyles? They are certainly outside of the cultural norm and they are in the extreme minority as well. However, their voices are disproportionately loud, and, as of this writing, Also, I am concerned that more is not being done to clean up this page since it is the 'authority' on what an alternative lifestyle is considering it is the first result in a Google search.
I agree. Looking at Google scholar, there is a rich history of research and case law to lean on to improve this article. There are also, to your point, a number of monumental things happening in the news that should be given some additional context by this page. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
As the lifestyle article mentions the term lifestyle was coined in 1929, it seems unlikely the term alternative lifestyle preceded it. Want to check for any opinions or context before deleting to pare down to what is well sourced. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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User:Mombas, since you asked...
Here's WP:WEASEL: This page in a nutshell: Avoid "some people say" statements without sources. (plus other varieties of weasel statements.)
Examples from Alternative lifestyle:
"The following may be examples which are considered by some to be examples of alternate lifestyles:"
"people who might be said to"
"Alternative lifestyles are sometimes thought be an expression of social rebellion. ... in what they characterize"
"Some psychologists today, however, believe..."
"This is considered by some to be nothing more than an excuse for deviant behavior."
IMHO, that's a pretty high percentage of weasel phrases in this short article.
I guarantee 100% of the people who visited this page assumed it would mean homosexuality, primarily if not exclusively. It can't be offensive, it's a bleeding EUPHEMISM. From WP:WEASEL: "It is acceptable to use some of these phrases, if they are accompanied by a citation that supports the claim..." (IMHO as is done in the last paragraph of this article.)
From WP:WEASEL: "The following questions can be used to determine some instances of weasel words.
Who says that? When did they say it? How many people think that? How many is "some"? What kind of people think that? Where are they? What kind of bias might they have? Why is this of any significance?
We should improve this article by fixing and avoiding weasel phrases. Have a good one. :-) -- 201.50.248.179 18:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC) (Originally edited this page as "201.50.248.179")
GUEST:"some psychologists say,,," I agree that it would be helpful to know who you are talking about here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.138.52.53 ( talk) 22:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This article still has problems re WP:WEASEL. I'm not going to do it today or tomorrow, but sometime soon I'm going to come back to this article and remove all weasel statements. If there's anything in here that you don't want removed, edit it now so that it doesn't have WEASEL problems.
Also, the article needs cites! Citing is a core Wikipedia policy. It is not optional. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources, "Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor." -- Writtenonsand 14:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Vegetarianism is by NO MEANS an "Alternate Lifestyle". It is NOT "outside the cultural norm". The word 'culture' is very diverse, and in countless cultures around the world, vegetarianism has been, since ancient times, the norm.
Must be kept off this page, while often called an 'alternative lifestyle' by bigots, this is actually part of the cultural norms of all civilized cultures. -- 2.98.220.212 ( talk) 20:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I think given that alternative lifestyle is, by its very name, subjective, examples should not be provided as those examples only show some things either the author considers alternative or believes others to consider alternative. Either way, it's unrelated to the definition or history of the term. If it is in a context showing how the use of the term influenced or is influencing culture or policy, there should be sources with specifics. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
IMHO, all the letters in the LGBT should be instead considered an Alternative Life, hell it makes sense to call it that then several letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.204.144.50 ( talk) 03:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Should the Furry Fandom be part of the list? It seems like more of an aesthetic preference than a lifestyle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.121.173.64 ( talk) 23:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
"Alternative lifestyles and subcultures originated in the 1920s with the "flapper" movement..." Oh no they didn't. There are many examples from Europe dataing back centuries. e.g. the Paris "left bank" artists, the Morris movement, the Chartists... An article of this kind needs to be written by someone who actually knows history. 212.159.59.5 ( talk) 16:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I thought that was just a hobby or something? Please Explain.-- Jack Cox ( talk) 06:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Should these groups be considered as part of the article on alternative lifestyles? They are certainly outside of the cultural norm and they are in the extreme minority as well. However, their voices are disproportionately loud, and, as of this writing, Also, I am concerned that more is not being done to clean up this page since it is the 'authority' on what an alternative lifestyle is considering it is the first result in a Google search.
I agree. Looking at Google scholar, there is a rich history of research and case law to lean on to improve this article. There are also, to your point, a number of monumental things happening in the news that should be given some additional context by this page. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
As the lifestyle article mentions the term lifestyle was coined in 1929, it seems unlikely the term alternative lifestyle preceded it. Want to check for any opinions or context before deleting to pare down to what is well sourced. HarrisonNapper ( talk) 12:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)