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This article has had a thematic content section for a long time now, and despite recent attempts to cut the section that discusses the very important (to the film) homosexuality and feminism/marriage themes -- there have been no justifications for this vandalism.
Simply deleting large sourced sections requires, at the very minimum, some logical explanation. Furthermore, it would be much better for the article and Wikipedia as a whole if people would not be lazy and delete sections. Instead, those people could spend some time revising the sections they think could be improved. I spent several hours revising, with sources, the Gender Politics part of Thematic Content only to see a revert soon after.
This is not how articles are improved. It is how they devolve. Stop censoring content because you have an agenda. There is much more to this film than vague or narrow-minded comments like those from Roger Ebert and other conventional critics who couldn't be bothered to address a core aspect of this film: its use of homosexual villains to promote a political view that Betty Friedan called "the problem that has no name". The superficial industry critic is not the only perspective readers need about this film, yet the malicious deletions continue to only leave comments from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.101.211 ( talk) 02:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There should be some mention of Anne Baxter's Oscar campaign to be nominated for lead actress instead of supporting actress.
Javabeanrush 00:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It appears as though no one has ever edited the article talk page; does this no-one has ever taken time to discuss the changes that could have been made to the main article? That's too bad, really. Perhaps I will take the initiative. The film is one of the best, and requires more notes and references, according to the WP:FAC process. – Cruz AFade ( Speak about it | How many?) 15:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Margo ignores the warnings of Eve’s devious plans from her cynical maid (played by Thelma Ritter) and Margo’s best friend (played by Celeste Holm).
Does Holm give any warning to Davis ? I can't even remember her telling (or rather having an opportunity to tell) anything negative to Davis about Baxter. I am removing the Holm part. Someone can add it if they are certain about it.� Pointy haired fellow 13:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only one who thinks that there ought to be a page on this film's gay following, or the perception of Eve and/or Addison as homosexual? 72.166.213.97 18:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
While the section as it currently exists is fine, though it could use better citations, homosexual subtext should not be the only theme, or even the most important theme, cited in the article. For balance, there should be additional content regarding themes of ambition, ageism in the theater, and the conduct of people in the public eye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.159.20 ( talk) 19:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Seeing that there is presently an entire (uncited!) section devoted to the whole "Eve is really a lesbian" theory, I think it's important to point out that Mankiewicz himself said quite the opposite. From Joseph L. Mankiewicz: Interviews, p.200:
Q: What about the rumor that Eve was a lesbian?
A: (Mankiewicz laughs) Yes, I've heard that. Look, sex has no emotional impact on Eve. It's nothing more than a bodily function. If she can use it, she'll use it. If it was to her advantage, Eve would hump a cat! Next! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.159.246 ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Not realising that there had been previous discussion I removed the list of quotes and was promptly reverted. Having viewed the discussion I think that in line with policy the section, in its current form, should be removed. According to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia is not a directory, it sepcifically says "If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote." (emphasis added). Having a list of quotes like this does not add to an encyclopaedic treatment of the topic; an unsourced list of "Memorable quotes" is just a list of quotes any particular editor happened to like enough to put in. Mentioning quotes can be appropriate if they or their influence has been discussed by reliable sources and the information can be put in the appropriate context - of discussion of the reception, influence or screenplay of the film. A list of quotes like this with no context or explanation does nothing to enhance the readers understanding of the topic, is completely redundant to the link to the appropriate Wikiquote page and marking them as memorable is borderline original research. Wikipedia could easily have pages dedicated to "Quotes of..." and "Quotes from..." but we don't simply because normally that is not within the remit of an encyclopaedic treatment. If someone can find reliable sources that discuss quotes from the film then by all means that information - not just the quotes - could be added to sections of reception, influence or the screenplay but as it is the section should be removed.
The sexuality section is completely unsourced and as it is I think it ties together different materials in a way that amounts to synthesis - applying general theory to aspects of the specific film. The section has been removed before and replaced without improvement or alteration, Wikipedia:Verifiability makes it clear that "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material... any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation" (emphasis from original). In the several months since the section was added in October no one has been able to find reliable sources to support the information in the section (since looking I have not been able to) whilst it has clearly been challenged, again I think this section should be removed. Guest9999 ( talk) 14:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Since it's been more than a week and no one has supported keeping the material I'm going to remove it for now. Guest9999 ( talk) 13:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user expanded the plot. While it is a very good effort, I think it reads between the lines on a few occasions. I have seen the movie five or six times but not within the last three years.
But despite her unmatched success, she is beginning to show her age and being targetted by critics, most notably Addison DeWitt (who narrates the film).
With DeWitt filling the audience with his fellow critics, Eve performs to rave reviews from critics.
Margo's rivalry with Eve coincides with a growing midlife crisis that is brought about due to her failing relationship with her boyfriend and her workaholic career.
The plot section was full of inaccuracies, assumptions, conclusions and analysis. Until I have the chance to watch the film again and expand the section in an accurate way, I've reverted to a previous version which, although short, has the distinct advantage of not being incorrect. Plot summaries are meant to describe the plot, not to engage in anaylsis of character, or filling in the backstory based on personal assumptions of what "must" have happened. What happened is what we see happen, or what the characters tell us happened, not what we think probably happened. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 21:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
The existence of Wikiquotes does not mean that quotes are forbidden in Wikipedia. While I would agree that larding down every film article with a bunch of uninteresting quotes would not be a good thing, All About Eve happens to be the source for some particularly juicy and very memorable quotes. The quote section is therfore not only allowed, but totally justified -- please stop removing it wholesale. Thanks. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 20:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the plot section is skimpy -- a number of times I've said to myself that I should expand it, but I don't think it ever made my "To Do" list (not that there's any guarantee that it would have gotten done if it had made it). If someone would like to jump start it, I'd be more than glad to contribute. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 09:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
My computer doesn't like the times.co.uk link, but it sure seems the 'Camp' section was copied word for word from it. Can someone double check? I hope I am making sense. Lots42 ( talk) 22:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to offer my opinion regarding this section of the article: it doesn't belong here, at least not the way it exists today. It's so far away from NPOV that it reads as if this is the only accepted interpretation of the film, like a rather poorly-referenced term paper. Since a comparison was made earlier in the article to the film Sunset Boulevard, I clicked on the wiki-link for that page (a featured article, by the way) and didn't see any of this kind of interpretive commentary. If a section along the lines of "Interpretations" is to be included, I think it should strive to be as balanced as possible, with citations after each successive thought. Because the goal for this article should be to make it as accurate, neutral and well-referenced as possible, not work a certain set of talking points into it.
I'll admit I didn't read every comment (signed or unsigned) on this talk page before adding this section, but I did see somebody throw the 'homophobic' word around. I guarantee you that I am not homophobic, and I find it disappointing when disagreements resort to these kinds of accusations. Am I volunteering to spend hours finding all kinds of sources that would make this section better? No. As it stands right now, I would suggest deleting about 90% of it, at least, and phrasing what's left in NPOV, but I'm worried that if I did that I'd start an edit war, something I really don't want to do. Anyone else have an opinion about this? Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 23:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I guess we have a consensus, so I decided to boldly go where others have gone before me and delete this section. It fell under the categories "original research", "undue weight" and was not well-referenced. And it made no effort to be NPOV. If it reappears I hope the editor chooses to participate in a meaningful dialogue about the issue, which I actually think may have some validity and could be presented as an insightful observation about the film, if not in this article then perhaps in a "see also"-type article (Possible Interpretations of All About Eve). But only if it had better references. Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 20:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's tremendously ironic and quite silly that an article about a film about covert homosexuals is being censored today. This is 2009. Is homosexuality such a taboo on Wikipedia that what has been widely known for a long time as a gay camp classic has to be de-gayed? Not only that, but the section that was brutally chopped had relevant sourced (Betty Friedan) insights about the career woman vs. married woman theme in the film. It was chopped, I presume, because of its proximity to the dreaded gayness. That the most basic thematic and political content of the film is being ripped out of the article defies explanation. I can understand the desire to be concise. But, there is a difference between increasing a signal to noise ratio and simply reducing the signal with unwarranted cuts. The next person who simply removes the Politics section is out of line, again. Try to condense it if you must, but there is no justification for wholesale slaughter. If this post seems over the top, I have to say I'm really tired of the censor-the-gay-away agenda I keep seeing on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.96.67 ( talk) 08:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
<outdent>OK, I made a few edits to the section, which I tried to describe in the edit summary. If a sentence mentions the actor, last name is preferable ("Davis and Baxter received Academy Award nominations"), but for characters that formality isn't necessary ("Margo grew to hate Eve"). I left the references intact but just shortened the cite method. A few sentences got swept out, including the one about de Kooning that didn't seem to have anything to do with the movie. I also tried to reword a few of the sentences and make them less absolute. Look, I can tell that you believe what you've written, but not everyone does. Wikipedia isn't a soapbox where everybody takes turns standing up and trying to get noticed by saying something unique. It's about consensus-building. There's a huge difference between "Despite its homophobia" and "Despite what some critics have described as the film's homophobia", because the first assumes that homophobia in the film is a given, like 2+2=4. Just because a few references support this charge doesn't make it fact, and the accusation of homophobia (like racism, discrimination, etc) is a POV in-your-face charge that puts people on the defensive. The addition of Roger Ebert is a step in the right direction, but IMHO it's still too much undue weight on the gay theme. I stopped myself from deleting too much, but not because I think all of that belongs there. Ideally, I believe the gay subtext read into the film could fit into a single medium-sized paragraph (and, again, that's assuming this section even belongs in the article, which I'm not sold on). Other paragraphs could expand upon the ageism or whatever other themes critics have discussed. I could keep trimming, but I want to give you an opportunity to condense, shorten and summarize your thoughts. What about the book somebody mentioned earlier on this talk page, All About All About Eve? I haven't read it, but it may back up some of your points or explore some of the other themes that have been read into the film. In the next few days I'll try to find some references to expand the ageism paragraph. Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 16:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
In the section 'Heterosexual marriage versus homosexuality and female agency' (which I agree, reading the old comments, needs to be trimmed down), I think a definition of terms would be extremely helpful, especially the term 'agency'. The section relies heavily on a few citations that employ technical sociological language with which the average reader is not going to be familiar. -- Sephiroth9611 ( talk) 14:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
An editor recently put the three navboxes in this article into a collapsed navbox. I reverted with the comment that this was unnecessary. The original editor then reverted without explanation. I propose to restore the original three collapsed navboxes because making readers open a navbox to find out what navboxes are available seems to be hiding the ball. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 01:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The version prior to my edit contained a host of trivial references to the film, many of which were only mention of the film's name in a single line of dialogue or a single reference to a character from the film. My edit consolidated the references to episodes and retained those where the episode plot significantly references the film as well as the notation about All About Eve (band), while also linking to the actual episode list article for those television programs (" All About Eva" from Gilligan's Island, 1966; " The New Sue Ann" from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, 1974; [1] " All About Lisa" from The Simpsons, 2008 [2]) as well as the references that went along with two of the episodes.
While WP:IPC is an unofficial essay, the section should not contain references in which characters lament another is "a Latina Eve Harrington", comment "I've seen 'All About Eve'. Poooor Eve!" or "If Eve Harrington were an actual person today…", etc. AldezD ( talk) 18:29, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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A third opinion has been requested. Is there any specific In Popular Culture reference that is the subject of the question? If it has to be do with inclusion of the line "All About Steve", then I think that the pun is appropriate because it illustrates the importance with which this title is held in "popular culture". If that is the question, the request has been satisfied. If not, what is the question? Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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After reading several critics' interpretation of the film's gay subtext, I was about to heap praise on this excellent entry when I made the mistake of reading comments about removing/reverting this section. A few points: This well-researched and -cited section gives the entry depth and helps viewers interpret the film. Even a casual viewer would see that there is more going on in "All About Eve" than just the plot. I also noticed several editors bristled at the idea their attempts to excise gay themes were homophobic. Curiously, few of them objected to feminist themes and the surrendering of female agency. So I'm not buying their "I'm-not-homophobic/some-of-my-best-friends-are-Bette-Davis-worshipping-homosexuals" drivel. I suspect the accusations of homophobia stung because they were true. Rather than getting defensive, editors should honestly examine their own prejudices to see if they're really capable of approaching controversial topics with a neutral point of view. Mostly I think this article is better than most wiki film entries because it offers abundant CONTEXT -- something sorely lacking in so many fan-boy entries. Maybe we'll never know all about "All About Eve", but this outstanding article comes pretty damn close and is a revelation. It's also an example of what film entries should aspire to. 🎥 Kinkyturnip ( talk) 05:47, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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This article has had a thematic content section for a long time now, and despite recent attempts to cut the section that discusses the very important (to the film) homosexuality and feminism/marriage themes -- there have been no justifications for this vandalism.
Simply deleting large sourced sections requires, at the very minimum, some logical explanation. Furthermore, it would be much better for the article and Wikipedia as a whole if people would not be lazy and delete sections. Instead, those people could spend some time revising the sections they think could be improved. I spent several hours revising, with sources, the Gender Politics part of Thematic Content only to see a revert soon after.
This is not how articles are improved. It is how they devolve. Stop censoring content because you have an agenda. There is much more to this film than vague or narrow-minded comments like those from Roger Ebert and other conventional critics who couldn't be bothered to address a core aspect of this film: its use of homosexual villains to promote a political view that Betty Friedan called "the problem that has no name". The superficial industry critic is not the only perspective readers need about this film, yet the malicious deletions continue to only leave comments from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.101.211 ( talk) 02:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There should be some mention of Anne Baxter's Oscar campaign to be nominated for lead actress instead of supporting actress.
Javabeanrush 00:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It appears as though no one has ever edited the article talk page; does this no-one has ever taken time to discuss the changes that could have been made to the main article? That's too bad, really. Perhaps I will take the initiative. The film is one of the best, and requires more notes and references, according to the WP:FAC process. – Cruz AFade ( Speak about it | How many?) 15:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Margo ignores the warnings of Eve’s devious plans from her cynical maid (played by Thelma Ritter) and Margo’s best friend (played by Celeste Holm).
Does Holm give any warning to Davis ? I can't even remember her telling (or rather having an opportunity to tell) anything negative to Davis about Baxter. I am removing the Holm part. Someone can add it if they are certain about it.� Pointy haired fellow 13:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only one who thinks that there ought to be a page on this film's gay following, or the perception of Eve and/or Addison as homosexual? 72.166.213.97 18:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
While the section as it currently exists is fine, though it could use better citations, homosexual subtext should not be the only theme, or even the most important theme, cited in the article. For balance, there should be additional content regarding themes of ambition, ageism in the theater, and the conduct of people in the public eye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.159.20 ( talk) 19:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Seeing that there is presently an entire (uncited!) section devoted to the whole "Eve is really a lesbian" theory, I think it's important to point out that Mankiewicz himself said quite the opposite. From Joseph L. Mankiewicz: Interviews, p.200:
Q: What about the rumor that Eve was a lesbian?
A: (Mankiewicz laughs) Yes, I've heard that. Look, sex has no emotional impact on Eve. It's nothing more than a bodily function. If she can use it, she'll use it. If it was to her advantage, Eve would hump a cat! Next! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.159.246 ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Not realising that there had been previous discussion I removed the list of quotes and was promptly reverted. Having viewed the discussion I think that in line with policy the section, in its current form, should be removed. According to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia is not a directory, it sepcifically says "If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote." (emphasis added). Having a list of quotes like this does not add to an encyclopaedic treatment of the topic; an unsourced list of "Memorable quotes" is just a list of quotes any particular editor happened to like enough to put in. Mentioning quotes can be appropriate if they or their influence has been discussed by reliable sources and the information can be put in the appropriate context - of discussion of the reception, influence or screenplay of the film. A list of quotes like this with no context or explanation does nothing to enhance the readers understanding of the topic, is completely redundant to the link to the appropriate Wikiquote page and marking them as memorable is borderline original research. Wikipedia could easily have pages dedicated to "Quotes of..." and "Quotes from..." but we don't simply because normally that is not within the remit of an encyclopaedic treatment. If someone can find reliable sources that discuss quotes from the film then by all means that information - not just the quotes - could be added to sections of reception, influence or the screenplay but as it is the section should be removed.
The sexuality section is completely unsourced and as it is I think it ties together different materials in a way that amounts to synthesis - applying general theory to aspects of the specific film. The section has been removed before and replaced without improvement or alteration, Wikipedia:Verifiability makes it clear that "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material... any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation" (emphasis from original). In the several months since the section was added in October no one has been able to find reliable sources to support the information in the section (since looking I have not been able to) whilst it has clearly been challenged, again I think this section should be removed. Guest9999 ( talk) 14:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Since it's been more than a week and no one has supported keeping the material I'm going to remove it for now. Guest9999 ( talk) 13:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user expanded the plot. While it is a very good effort, I think it reads between the lines on a few occasions. I have seen the movie five or six times but not within the last three years.
But despite her unmatched success, she is beginning to show her age and being targetted by critics, most notably Addison DeWitt (who narrates the film).
With DeWitt filling the audience with his fellow critics, Eve performs to rave reviews from critics.
Margo's rivalry with Eve coincides with a growing midlife crisis that is brought about due to her failing relationship with her boyfriend and her workaholic career.
The plot section was full of inaccuracies, assumptions, conclusions and analysis. Until I have the chance to watch the film again and expand the section in an accurate way, I've reverted to a previous version which, although short, has the distinct advantage of not being incorrect. Plot summaries are meant to describe the plot, not to engage in anaylsis of character, or filling in the backstory based on personal assumptions of what "must" have happened. What happened is what we see happen, or what the characters tell us happened, not what we think probably happened. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 21:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
The existence of Wikiquotes does not mean that quotes are forbidden in Wikipedia. While I would agree that larding down every film article with a bunch of uninteresting quotes would not be a good thing, All About Eve happens to be the source for some particularly juicy and very memorable quotes. The quote section is therfore not only allowed, but totally justified -- please stop removing it wholesale. Thanks. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 20:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the plot section is skimpy -- a number of times I've said to myself that I should expand it, but I don't think it ever made my "To Do" list (not that there's any guarantee that it would have gotten done if it had made it). If someone would like to jump start it, I'd be more than glad to contribute. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 09:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
My computer doesn't like the times.co.uk link, but it sure seems the 'Camp' section was copied word for word from it. Can someone double check? I hope I am making sense. Lots42 ( talk) 22:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to offer my opinion regarding this section of the article: it doesn't belong here, at least not the way it exists today. It's so far away from NPOV that it reads as if this is the only accepted interpretation of the film, like a rather poorly-referenced term paper. Since a comparison was made earlier in the article to the film Sunset Boulevard, I clicked on the wiki-link for that page (a featured article, by the way) and didn't see any of this kind of interpretive commentary. If a section along the lines of "Interpretations" is to be included, I think it should strive to be as balanced as possible, with citations after each successive thought. Because the goal for this article should be to make it as accurate, neutral and well-referenced as possible, not work a certain set of talking points into it.
I'll admit I didn't read every comment (signed or unsigned) on this talk page before adding this section, but I did see somebody throw the 'homophobic' word around. I guarantee you that I am not homophobic, and I find it disappointing when disagreements resort to these kinds of accusations. Am I volunteering to spend hours finding all kinds of sources that would make this section better? No. As it stands right now, I would suggest deleting about 90% of it, at least, and phrasing what's left in NPOV, but I'm worried that if I did that I'd start an edit war, something I really don't want to do. Anyone else have an opinion about this? Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 23:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I guess we have a consensus, so I decided to boldly go where others have gone before me and delete this section. It fell under the categories "original research", "undue weight" and was not well-referenced. And it made no effort to be NPOV. If it reappears I hope the editor chooses to participate in a meaningful dialogue about the issue, which I actually think may have some validity and could be presented as an insightful observation about the film, if not in this article then perhaps in a "see also"-type article (Possible Interpretations of All About Eve). But only if it had better references. Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 20:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's tremendously ironic and quite silly that an article about a film about covert homosexuals is being censored today. This is 2009. Is homosexuality such a taboo on Wikipedia that what has been widely known for a long time as a gay camp classic has to be de-gayed? Not only that, but the section that was brutally chopped had relevant sourced (Betty Friedan) insights about the career woman vs. married woman theme in the film. It was chopped, I presume, because of its proximity to the dreaded gayness. That the most basic thematic and political content of the film is being ripped out of the article defies explanation. I can understand the desire to be concise. But, there is a difference between increasing a signal to noise ratio and simply reducing the signal with unwarranted cuts. The next person who simply removes the Politics section is out of line, again. Try to condense it if you must, but there is no justification for wholesale slaughter. If this post seems over the top, I have to say I'm really tired of the censor-the-gay-away agenda I keep seeing on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.96.67 ( talk) 08:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
<outdent>OK, I made a few edits to the section, which I tried to describe in the edit summary. If a sentence mentions the actor, last name is preferable ("Davis and Baxter received Academy Award nominations"), but for characters that formality isn't necessary ("Margo grew to hate Eve"). I left the references intact but just shortened the cite method. A few sentences got swept out, including the one about de Kooning that didn't seem to have anything to do with the movie. I also tried to reword a few of the sentences and make them less absolute. Look, I can tell that you believe what you've written, but not everyone does. Wikipedia isn't a soapbox where everybody takes turns standing up and trying to get noticed by saying something unique. It's about consensus-building. There's a huge difference between "Despite its homophobia" and "Despite what some critics have described as the film's homophobia", because the first assumes that homophobia in the film is a given, like 2+2=4. Just because a few references support this charge doesn't make it fact, and the accusation of homophobia (like racism, discrimination, etc) is a POV in-your-face charge that puts people on the defensive. The addition of Roger Ebert is a step in the right direction, but IMHO it's still too much undue weight on the gay theme. I stopped myself from deleting too much, but not because I think all of that belongs there. Ideally, I believe the gay subtext read into the film could fit into a single medium-sized paragraph (and, again, that's assuming this section even belongs in the article, which I'm not sold on). Other paragraphs could expand upon the ageism or whatever other themes critics have discussed. I could keep trimming, but I want to give you an opportunity to condense, shorten and summarize your thoughts. What about the book somebody mentioned earlier on this talk page, All About All About Eve? I haven't read it, but it may back up some of your points or explore some of the other themes that have been read into the film. In the next few days I'll try to find some references to expand the ageism paragraph. Zephyrnthesky ( talk) 16:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
In the section 'Heterosexual marriage versus homosexuality and female agency' (which I agree, reading the old comments, needs to be trimmed down), I think a definition of terms would be extremely helpful, especially the term 'agency'. The section relies heavily on a few citations that employ technical sociological language with which the average reader is not going to be familiar. -- Sephiroth9611 ( talk) 14:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
An editor recently put the three navboxes in this article into a collapsed navbox. I reverted with the comment that this was unnecessary. The original editor then reverted without explanation. I propose to restore the original three collapsed navboxes because making readers open a navbox to find out what navboxes are available seems to be hiding the ball. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 01:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The version prior to my edit contained a host of trivial references to the film, many of which were only mention of the film's name in a single line of dialogue or a single reference to a character from the film. My edit consolidated the references to episodes and retained those where the episode plot significantly references the film as well as the notation about All About Eve (band), while also linking to the actual episode list article for those television programs (" All About Eva" from Gilligan's Island, 1966; " The New Sue Ann" from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, 1974; [1] " All About Lisa" from The Simpsons, 2008 [2]) as well as the references that went along with two of the episodes.
While WP:IPC is an unofficial essay, the section should not contain references in which characters lament another is "a Latina Eve Harrington", comment "I've seen 'All About Eve'. Poooor Eve!" or "If Eve Harrington were an actual person today…", etc. AldezD ( talk) 18:29, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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A third opinion has been requested. Is there any specific In Popular Culture reference that is the subject of the question? If it has to be do with inclusion of the line "All About Steve", then I think that the pun is appropriate because it illustrates the importance with which this title is held in "popular culture". If that is the question, the request has been satisfied. If not, what is the question? Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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After reading several critics' interpretation of the film's gay subtext, I was about to heap praise on this excellent entry when I made the mistake of reading comments about removing/reverting this section. A few points: This well-researched and -cited section gives the entry depth and helps viewers interpret the film. Even a casual viewer would see that there is more going on in "All About Eve" than just the plot. I also noticed several editors bristled at the idea their attempts to excise gay themes were homophobic. Curiously, few of them objected to feminist themes and the surrendering of female agency. So I'm not buying their "I'm-not-homophobic/some-of-my-best-friends-are-Bette-Davis-worshipping-homosexuals" drivel. I suspect the accusations of homophobia stung because they were true. Rather than getting defensive, editors should honestly examine their own prejudices to see if they're really capable of approaching controversial topics with a neutral point of view. Mostly I think this article is better than most wiki film entries because it offers abundant CONTEXT -- something sorely lacking in so many fan-boy entries. Maybe we'll never know all about "All About Eve", but this outstanding article comes pretty damn close and is a revelation. It's also an example of what film entries should aspire to. 🎥 Kinkyturnip ( talk) 05:47, 6 April 2018 (UTC)