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Who has ever heard of "Ha'apalah" in the English-speaking world or even in Israel? I have nothing against Hebrew words, but only if it can be shown that they have widespread usage (hopefully by Jews, and it helps if non-Jews have accepted Hebrew words as well. But we cannot foist words on the world, with the excuse that some Israelis use it nowadays.) We must stick with the best-known terms, and not give in to revisionistic tendencies as this amounts to a violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms. Just Google Aliyah Bet and compare it to Ha'apalah on Google to see which has the most usage, it's not even a contest! So let's not get carried away here. IZAK 07:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I’ve split the article into sections, to make it a bit tidier; and I’ve re-arranged the ships that were lost into date order. I hope that’s OK with everyone. Xyl 54 ( talk) 17:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
On August 5, 1944, while crossing the Black Sea, it was torpedoed by the Soviet submarine SC 215 and sunk, killing 345 people. Siałababamak ( talk) 13:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
In the lead: "in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934-1948". Umm, 1934 action in violation of a 1939 restriction? 00:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Propose merger of
One Million Plan ->
Aliya Bet
The article on
One Million Plan was created in 2014 and has attempted to describe the 1944 Zionist plan to repatriate one million Jews to Mandatory Palestine from 1944 to 1945. The plan was approved by some Zionist organs, but in reality never took place, being in fact shelved. The current article on One Million Plan has only a few sentences on the plan itself, with the rest being various background and aftermath issues which should belong in Aliyah Bet article (such as later policies on immigration). The size of Aliyah Bet article is 30kb, while the size of One Million Plan article is 30kb as well, even though the notability of the never-executed plan is practically meaningless outside the scope of the Aliyah Bet itself.
GreyShark (
dibra)
19:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
They are different subjects. One Million Plan is a detailed and well sourced article. The bibliography is clear evidence of its notability.
Why don't you like the One Million Plan article? You appear to be on a campaign to hide it. It seems to be a very emotional and possibly personal subject for you.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 23:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
The more I think about this suggestion, the more absurd it is. Where in the One Million Plan was illegal immigration a primary factor? Combining it with this article would be pure SYNTH.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 22:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
We have two separate October, 1940 entries in the timeline section and both focus primarily on the sinking of the Patria. This is inconsistent. Warmest Regards, :)— thecurran Speak your mind my past 17:50, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
What are their precise definitions? Is Fifth Aliyah the first, pre-WWII part of Aliyah Bet, with a second part after 1939, maybe also with a distinction between wartime (1939-45) and post-WWII (1945-48) periods? Or is this just a false impression arising from reading the enWiki articles' intros/leads? Without clear definitions and classifications, everything becomes useless and confusing. Once this is clarified, we will need better cross-referencing between the two articles. Arminden ( talk) 13:48, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I feel that the wording "illegal immigrant" is not accurate. They were refugees fleeing persecution - which is an asylum seeker under the UN definition. Using the term "illegal immigrant" is not correct in this instance.
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Who has ever heard of "Ha'apalah" in the English-speaking world or even in Israel? I have nothing against Hebrew words, but only if it can be shown that they have widespread usage (hopefully by Jews, and it helps if non-Jews have accepted Hebrew words as well. But we cannot foist words on the world, with the excuse that some Israelis use it nowadays.) We must stick with the best-known terms, and not give in to revisionistic tendencies as this amounts to a violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms. Just Google Aliyah Bet and compare it to Ha'apalah on Google to see which has the most usage, it's not even a contest! So let's not get carried away here. IZAK 07:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I’ve split the article into sections, to make it a bit tidier; and I’ve re-arranged the ships that were lost into date order. I hope that’s OK with everyone. Xyl 54 ( talk) 17:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
On August 5, 1944, while crossing the Black Sea, it was torpedoed by the Soviet submarine SC 215 and sunk, killing 345 people. Siałababamak ( talk) 13:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
In the lead: "in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934-1948". Umm, 1934 action in violation of a 1939 restriction? 00:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Propose merger of
One Million Plan ->
Aliya Bet
The article on
One Million Plan was created in 2014 and has attempted to describe the 1944 Zionist plan to repatriate one million Jews to Mandatory Palestine from 1944 to 1945. The plan was approved by some Zionist organs, but in reality never took place, being in fact shelved. The current article on One Million Plan has only a few sentences on the plan itself, with the rest being various background and aftermath issues which should belong in Aliyah Bet article (such as later policies on immigration). The size of Aliyah Bet article is 30kb, while the size of One Million Plan article is 30kb as well, even though the notability of the never-executed plan is practically meaningless outside the scope of the Aliyah Bet itself.
GreyShark (
dibra)
19:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
They are different subjects. One Million Plan is a detailed and well sourced article. The bibliography is clear evidence of its notability.
Why don't you like the One Million Plan article? You appear to be on a campaign to hide it. It seems to be a very emotional and possibly personal subject for you.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 23:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
The more I think about this suggestion, the more absurd it is. Where in the One Million Plan was illegal immigration a primary factor? Combining it with this article would be pure SYNTH.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 22:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
We have two separate October, 1940 entries in the timeline section and both focus primarily on the sinking of the Patria. This is inconsistent. Warmest Regards, :)— thecurran Speak your mind my past 17:50, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
What are their precise definitions? Is Fifth Aliyah the first, pre-WWII part of Aliyah Bet, with a second part after 1939, maybe also with a distinction between wartime (1939-45) and post-WWII (1945-48) periods? Or is this just a false impression arising from reading the enWiki articles' intros/leads? Without clear definitions and classifications, everything becomes useless and confusing. Once this is clarified, we will need better cross-referencing between the two articles. Arminden ( talk) 13:48, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I feel that the wording "illegal immigrant" is not accurate. They were refugees fleeing persecution - which is an asylum seeker under the UN definition. Using the term "illegal immigrant" is not correct in this instance.