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Reporting errors
First contact
>(First contact is a science fiction term long before Star Trek. Clive's website says he's dead.)
I had never come across the term first contact in any SF books, TV or film before STTNG, but if you can quote me a reference I'd be glad to know. Clive's website isn't part of the television series, so we still don't know he's dead.
User:DavidFarmbrough 11:23, 18Apr2005(BST)
Have a look at
First contact (anthropology) which makes reference to the concept in SF predating Star Trek. It's an anthropological term, not even one that originated in science fiction - for example, there was a film called "First Conact" in 1984, 3 years before TNG Season 1 began, that talked about the cultural confrontation in Papua New Guinea. If you look on Google I think you'll find a page where there is a list of SF stories with first contact themes.
As for the website: it's debatable - Clive's website URL was visible when Rose first searched, and we saw his website as well. It's also been updated over the last couple of weeks as the series as progressed. We're not necessarily limited to television sources, as well. If it helps, we can mention that the info that Clive is dead is based on his website. --
khaosworks 20:10, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Both links are dead. Please update.
173.58.47.102 (
talk) —Preceding
undated comment added 00:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Electricity
sends a deadly dose of electricity jolting through the experts' ID cards
Is it explicitly stated in the episode that the ID cards produce electricity? I don't recall such. --
DudeGalea 16:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)reply
It isn't, but it certainly looks like crackling electricity, not your generic sci-fi energy. It's a visual cue more than a verbal one. --
khaosworks 16:38, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
Caption
In all the other episodes of the 2005 season, the screenshot's caption is a quote from one of the characters. Yet, on this page it just says First contact or something more sinister?. I can't think of a quote that we should put there. Any ideas?
Thelb4 13:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Aliens of London/Christmas Invasion same week?
A recent edit said that the dates provided by the UNIT website would put this story and The Christmas Invasion in the same week. But The Christmas Invasion took place over... well, Christmas, surely? How does June=December? Or am I missing something obvious? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 04:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
No, no, June means that Boom Town (six months later than AoL) would have to take place in December. And so would The Parting of the Ways, since that takes place between Boom Town and The Christmas Invasion. So it can't be right. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 04:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Oh, right. I misread the note — my bad.
But is it possible that Boom Town and The Parting of the Ways take place in or around December 2006, and The Christmas Invasion takes place in December 2007? Does anything in TCI indicate a year? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 04:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Answering myself — IIRC, nothing in The Christmas Invasion as broadcast indicates a year, but the Guinevere One website suggested it was Christmas 2006. I think the websites are contradictory, but the series isn't necessarily. I'll try to reword the note accordingly. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Yes, the logical conclusion that the note leads to is that the websites are contradictory. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Wait, wait — I just did a bit of checking and I can't find the June 28 date on the UNIT website. Instead, I find
this page, which seems to suggest a May 26 date for AoL/WW3. May 26, 2006 would place Boom Town in late November, so The Parting of the Ways could be early December and The Christmas Invasion on Christmas Eve/Day. No problem.
So the question is, did the site formerly have a June date which was changed so that the timeline wouldn't be messed up? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
The dates on the site are a mess. The June 28 date comes from an exchange in the secure section under
"Operation London". Although the header read 26/03/05 (cut and pasted from "Operation Mannequin", i.e. Rose), the IM log that follows is all dated 28/06/06 and contemporaneous with the crash in the Thames. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Ah, right. But if the UNIT site gives two dates (May or June 2006) for the same events, and only one of them is problematic, isn't the obvious answer to go with the one that isn't? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Well, my legal and historical training tells me that the one with the larger amount of documentation that cannot be easily explained away is the one that's "correct", so my gut's pointing me towards the June 28 date suggested by the website as the one that was intended. But the point is, the website's wrong, or at best inconsistent with the series. AoL, as far as I'm concerned (and Lance agrees in AHistory), takes place in March 2006, 12 months from the established date of Rose's disappearance. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Fair enough. I still think I'll try to reword the note a little bit to indicate that the UNIT website isn't even consistent with itself, let alone the series. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Why was my deletion of the link to the first reference
http://badwolf.org.uk/clues.html reversed? It is a dead page; the domain has been parked for sale. The link should be removed.
Amabaie (
talk) 16:14, 2 January 2015 (UTC) David Leonhardtreply
If you find a dead link it is better to mark it as such (via {{deadlink}}) than remove; mirrors or archives of dead links can then be sought by others when you flag it this way. Removing the reference makes that harder to know there was an issue before. --
MASEM (
t) 16:29, 2 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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"show Doctor Who that was first broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One. Written by ..." I would split earlier: "show Doctor Who. First broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One, it was written by ...."
Probably needs to note it was the revival first season too. Some of us remember the originals (just....)
No need to link "Earth", I think most of us know what that is.
You have one ref in the lead, I would suggest leaving the lead unreferenced and make sure all the material in it is mentioned and referenced in the main part of the article.
"Jones, played by Penelope Wilton who" comma after Wilton.
" part Computer-generated imagery" no need for capital C.
"by 7 million" seven.
And I presume that means live, i.e. at the time of the original broadcast?
Again, delink Earth.
"twelve months after " don't need italics.
Link Prime Minister appropriately (i.e. to the UK one) or not at all.
Link TARDIS.
"Guest Cast" -> "Guest cast"
Probably use {{div col}} template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast.
Quatermass -> the is lower case, and this should be in italics.
" producer Russell T Davies" Davies is overlinked, and no need to introduce him again....
Bob and Rose -> Bob & Rose.
In Filming section, ROse needs disambiguation, but I think you've already linked it.
Same for Matt Baker, but you haven't linked that one before.
"Hospital.[11][10] " ref order.
"from August 20th, 26th to 31st (except the 29th), September 1st to 3rd, and the 6th." probably too much detail, and we don't use "th", "st" etc on dates.
"On October 4th the clip of Blue Peter presenter " 4 not 4th, and Blue Peter in italics.
Link BBC Television Centre.
"was watched by 7 million viewers in the UK, a" seven.
"#2 for the timeslot" see
MOS:HASH don't use # to denote "number".
Broadcast and reception section, plenty of short paras in there, work them into more elegant prose.
Why is Smith? The link just calls him Robert Smith.
All problems have been resolved except for the "Probably use div col template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast." I'm unfamiliar with this template so if it is to be implemented I am requesting help
DMT biscuit (
talk) 21:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Looks like you've missed a few items, and introduced a few odd things, e.g. "along with ROae due to the"?? Could you mark off each comment individually?
The Rambling Man (
Staying alive since 2005!) 09:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
"show Doctor Who that was first broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One. Written by ..." I would split earlier: "show Doctor Who. First broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One, it was written by ...."✓
Probably needs to note it was the revival first season too. Some of us remember the originals (just....)✓
No need to link "Earth", I think most of us know what that is.✓
You have one ref in the lead, I would suggest leaving the lead unreferenced and make sure all the material in it is mentioned and referenced in the main part of the article.✓
"Jones, played by Penelope Wilton who" comma after Wilton.✓
" part Computer-generated imagery" no need for capital C.✓
"by 7 million" seven.✓
And I presume that means live, i.e. at the time of the original broadcast?✓
Again, delink Earth.✓
"twelve months after " don't need italics.✓
Link Prime Minister appropriately (i.e. to the UK one) or not at all.✓
Link TARDIS.✓
"Guest Cast" -> "Guest cast"✓
Probably use {{div col}} template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast.-Requesting help for this
Quatermass -> the is lower case, and this should be in italics.✓
" producer Russell T Davies" Davies is overlinked, and no need to introduce him again....✓
Bob and Rose -> Bob & Rose.✓
In Filming section, ROse needs disambiguation, but I think you've already linked it.✓
Same for Matt Baker, but you haven't linked that one before.✓
"Hospital.[11][10] " ref order.✓
"from August 20th, 26th to 31st (except the 29th), September 1st to 3rd, and the 6th." probably too much detail, and we don't use "th", "st" etc on dates.✓
"On October 4th the clip of Blue Peter presenter " 4 not 4th, and Blue Peter in italics.✓
Link BBC Television Centre.✓
"was watched by 7 million viewers in the UK, a" seven.✓
"#2 for the timeslot" see
MOS:HASH don't use # to denote "number".✓
Broadcast and reception section, plenty of short paras in there, work them into more elegant prose.✓
Why is Smith? The link just calls him Robert Smith.✓
You don't need to repeat the whole cast in the infobox-addressed
Murray Gold is mentioned in the infobox, not referenced or mentioned in the article. Likewise Mal Young.-Neither Mal Young or Murray gold are mentioned in the article simply because there's no reason to. Mal Young is mentioned in no articles for his time on the show and Murry gold is mentioned only irregular such as rose and the doctor dances.
I'm not that interested in what happens in other articles. There's no reference for either of these and no mention in the article. They should be mentioned and referenced, regardless, because that's how good Wikipedia articles are written. 19:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
What makes shannonsullivan.com a
reliable source?-At the bottom of all articles it cites its sources. The wikiproject for doctor who accourages users to use, therefore the consensus is that it is reliable.
I think we're just about there. I made a raft of changes for typos, poor formatting etc, which I hadn't seen previously, but it's satisfactory now I think.
The Rambling Man (
Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reporting errors
First contact
>(First contact is a science fiction term long before Star Trek. Clive's website says he's dead.)
I had never come across the term first contact in any SF books, TV or film before STTNG, but if you can quote me a reference I'd be glad to know. Clive's website isn't part of the television series, so we still don't know he's dead.
User:DavidFarmbrough 11:23, 18Apr2005(BST)
Have a look at
First contact (anthropology) which makes reference to the concept in SF predating Star Trek. It's an anthropological term, not even one that originated in science fiction - for example, there was a film called "First Conact" in 1984, 3 years before TNG Season 1 began, that talked about the cultural confrontation in Papua New Guinea. If you look on Google I think you'll find a page where there is a list of SF stories with first contact themes.
As for the website: it's debatable - Clive's website URL was visible when Rose first searched, and we saw his website as well. It's also been updated over the last couple of weeks as the series as progressed. We're not necessarily limited to television sources, as well. If it helps, we can mention that the info that Clive is dead is based on his website. --
khaosworks 20:10, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Both links are dead. Please update.
173.58.47.102 (
talk) —Preceding
undated comment added 00:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Electricity
sends a deadly dose of electricity jolting through the experts' ID cards
Is it explicitly stated in the episode that the ID cards produce electricity? I don't recall such. --
DudeGalea 16:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)reply
It isn't, but it certainly looks like crackling electricity, not your generic sci-fi energy. It's a visual cue more than a verbal one. --
khaosworks 16:38, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
Caption
In all the other episodes of the 2005 season, the screenshot's caption is a quote from one of the characters. Yet, on this page it just says First contact or something more sinister?. I can't think of a quote that we should put there. Any ideas?
Thelb4 13:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Aliens of London/Christmas Invasion same week?
A recent edit said that the dates provided by the UNIT website would put this story and The Christmas Invasion in the same week. But The Christmas Invasion took place over... well, Christmas, surely? How does June=December? Or am I missing something obvious? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 04:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
No, no, June means that Boom Town (six months later than AoL) would have to take place in December. And so would The Parting of the Ways, since that takes place between Boom Town and The Christmas Invasion. So it can't be right. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 04:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Oh, right. I misread the note — my bad.
But is it possible that Boom Town and The Parting of the Ways take place in or around December 2006, and The Christmas Invasion takes place in December 2007? Does anything in TCI indicate a year? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 04:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Answering myself — IIRC, nothing in The Christmas Invasion as broadcast indicates a year, but the Guinevere One website suggested it was Christmas 2006. I think the websites are contradictory, but the series isn't necessarily. I'll try to reword the note accordingly. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Yes, the logical conclusion that the note leads to is that the websites are contradictory. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Wait, wait — I just did a bit of checking and I can't find the June 28 date on the UNIT website. Instead, I find
this page, which seems to suggest a May 26 date for AoL/WW3. May 26, 2006 would place Boom Town in late November, so The Parting of the Ways could be early December and The Christmas Invasion on Christmas Eve/Day. No problem.
So the question is, did the site formerly have a June date which was changed so that the timeline wouldn't be messed up? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
The dates on the site are a mess. The June 28 date comes from an exchange in the secure section under
"Operation London". Although the header read 26/03/05 (cut and pasted from "Operation Mannequin", i.e. Rose), the IM log that follows is all dated 28/06/06 and contemporaneous with the crash in the Thames. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Ah, right. But if the UNIT site gives two dates (May or June 2006) for the same events, and only one of them is problematic, isn't the obvious answer to go with the one that isn't? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Well, my legal and historical training tells me that the one with the larger amount of documentation that cannot be easily explained away is the one that's "correct", so my gut's pointing me towards the June 28 date suggested by the website as the one that was intended. But the point is, the website's wrong, or at best inconsistent with the series. AoL, as far as I'm concerned (and Lance agrees in AHistory), takes place in March 2006, 12 months from the established date of Rose's disappearance. --
khaosworks (
talk •
contribs) 05:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Fair enough. I still think I'll try to reword the note a little bit to indicate that the UNIT website isn't even consistent with itself, let alone the series. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 05:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Why was my deletion of the link to the first reference
http://badwolf.org.uk/clues.html reversed? It is a dead page; the domain has been parked for sale. The link should be removed.
Amabaie (
talk) 16:14, 2 January 2015 (UTC) David Leonhardtreply
If you find a dead link it is better to mark it as such (via {{deadlink}}) than remove; mirrors or archives of dead links can then be sought by others when you flag it this way. Removing the reference makes that harder to know there was an issue before. --
MASEM (
t) 16:29, 2 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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"show Doctor Who that was first broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One. Written by ..." I would split earlier: "show Doctor Who. First broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One, it was written by ...."
Probably needs to note it was the revival first season too. Some of us remember the originals (just....)
No need to link "Earth", I think most of us know what that is.
You have one ref in the lead, I would suggest leaving the lead unreferenced and make sure all the material in it is mentioned and referenced in the main part of the article.
"Jones, played by Penelope Wilton who" comma after Wilton.
" part Computer-generated imagery" no need for capital C.
"by 7 million" seven.
And I presume that means live, i.e. at the time of the original broadcast?
Again, delink Earth.
"twelve months after " don't need italics.
Link Prime Minister appropriately (i.e. to the UK one) or not at all.
Link TARDIS.
"Guest Cast" -> "Guest cast"
Probably use {{div col}} template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast.
Quatermass -> the is lower case, and this should be in italics.
" producer Russell T Davies" Davies is overlinked, and no need to introduce him again....
Bob and Rose -> Bob & Rose.
In Filming section, ROse needs disambiguation, but I think you've already linked it.
Same for Matt Baker, but you haven't linked that one before.
"Hospital.[11][10] " ref order.
"from August 20th, 26th to 31st (except the 29th), September 1st to 3rd, and the 6th." probably too much detail, and we don't use "th", "st" etc on dates.
"On October 4th the clip of Blue Peter presenter " 4 not 4th, and Blue Peter in italics.
Link BBC Television Centre.
"was watched by 7 million viewers in the UK, a" seven.
"#2 for the timeslot" see
MOS:HASH don't use # to denote "number".
Broadcast and reception section, plenty of short paras in there, work them into more elegant prose.
Why is Smith? The link just calls him Robert Smith.
All problems have been resolved except for the "Probably use div col template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast." I'm unfamiliar with this template so if it is to be implemented I am requesting help
DMT biscuit (
talk) 21:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Looks like you've missed a few items, and introduced a few odd things, e.g. "along with ROae due to the"?? Could you mark off each comment individually?
The Rambling Man (
Staying alive since 2005!) 09:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
"show Doctor Who that was first broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One. Written by ..." I would split earlier: "show Doctor Who. First broadcast on 16 April 2005 on BBC One, it was written by ...."✓
Probably needs to note it was the revival first season too. Some of us remember the originals (just....)✓
No need to link "Earth", I think most of us know what that is.✓
You have one ref in the lead, I would suggest leaving the lead unreferenced and make sure all the material in it is mentioned and referenced in the main part of the article.✓
"Jones, played by Penelope Wilton who" comma after Wilton.✓
" part Computer-generated imagery" no need for capital C.✓
"by 7 million" seven.✓
And I presume that means live, i.e. at the time of the original broadcast?✓
Again, delink Earth.✓
"twelve months after " don't need italics.✓
Link Prime Minister appropriately (i.e. to the UK one) or not at all.✓
Link TARDIS.✓
"Guest Cast" -> "Guest cast"✓
Probably use {{div col}} template here to reduce that whitespace near the guest cast.-Requesting help for this
Quatermass -> the is lower case, and this should be in italics.✓
" producer Russell T Davies" Davies is overlinked, and no need to introduce him again....✓
Bob and Rose -> Bob & Rose.✓
In Filming section, ROse needs disambiguation, but I think you've already linked it.✓
Same for Matt Baker, but you haven't linked that one before.✓
"Hospital.[11][10] " ref order.✓
"from August 20th, 26th to 31st (except the 29th), September 1st to 3rd, and the 6th." probably too much detail, and we don't use "th", "st" etc on dates.✓
"On October 4th the clip of Blue Peter presenter " 4 not 4th, and Blue Peter in italics.✓
Link BBC Television Centre.✓
"was watched by 7 million viewers in the UK, a" seven.✓
"#2 for the timeslot" see
MOS:HASH don't use # to denote "number".✓
Broadcast and reception section, plenty of short paras in there, work them into more elegant prose.✓
Why is Smith? The link just calls him Robert Smith.✓
You don't need to repeat the whole cast in the infobox-addressed
Murray Gold is mentioned in the infobox, not referenced or mentioned in the article. Likewise Mal Young.-Neither Mal Young or Murray gold are mentioned in the article simply because there's no reason to. Mal Young is mentioned in no articles for his time on the show and Murry gold is mentioned only irregular such as rose and the doctor dances.
I'm not that interested in what happens in other articles. There's no reference for either of these and no mention in the article. They should be mentioned and referenced, regardless, because that's how good Wikipedia articles are written. 19:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
What makes shannonsullivan.com a
reliable source?-At the bottom of all articles it cites its sources. The wikiproject for doctor who accourages users to use, therefore the consensus is that it is reliable.
I think we're just about there. I made a raft of changes for typos, poor formatting etc, which I hadn't seen previously, but it's satisfactory now I think.
The Rambling Man (
Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply