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I can't seem to edit the script on this page to get it to format it properly. If you look carefully, it says Arabic 1 and then the Arabic script, followed by January, where the one is supposed to follow the arabic script and precede the month. Pepsidrinka 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
What's this person's date of birth and death? In the article it states something different than in the block on the right. And on the page for July 25, he is also listed. But July 25 is never even mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNME666 ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
98 ALINAQVI121472 ( talk) 15:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
The quotes seem to use very odd, often unclear, English. Since it is obvious the speakers were not speaking English, were they, in truth, using poor grammar and odd diction or is this a problem with the translation? It seems to me that it is the latter, but, of course, I have no way of knowing.
I believe that the portion on the 'Features of the mortality of al-Rida'. I believe that it should be clearly stated that only Shi'a consider Imams as infallible. By only presenting the Shi'a view on this topic and blatantly ignoring the Sunni view, I feel that the article is highly biased and neutrally imbalanced. As per such, I have placed tags on the portion. I personally would recommend a deletion followed by a more factual re-write. Thank you. -- Paradoxicalengineer 05:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Ridha??? Imam Reza is his name and that he is called. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc ( talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
A very respected scholar of Shia religion recently noted that, imam reza is not one of the holiest and perhaps emphasised for misled interests. He noted that a man such as khoemini, who inspired a revolution, who was highly knowledgable about the faith, never once visited mashad imam reza's shrine.just my two cents about this, i think the site has historical, religious significance but it is perhaps exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.39 ( talk) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Reviewed the comments earlier posted about NPOV. I found them to be related to two sections namely "Death" and "...Morality...". Had to change the subject of the latter to be more neutral. Also, removed terms and sentences that were either not-provable or not neutral. If you still find the article agains NPOV, please discuss it here by providing details. Feel free to send me a message through the talk page. Kazemita1 ( talk) 22:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 18:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Ali Al-Ridha → Ali al-Ridha – The "Al" should not be capitalised as per the names of the other Shia Imams (see: Template:Shia Imams). Shiite ( talk) 15:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian The article lacks reliable references. Please help with finding suitable secondary sources to enhance the quality. Consequently, we may nominate it at GA list if it meets the criteria. Mhhossein ( talk) 06:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian, Mhhossein Hello. I am going to help improve this article a little bit. Hadi.anani ( talk) 06:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Alborzagros: What's your motivation for changing the picture of infobox? Mhhossein ( talk) 06:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein: Not any special reason. I glued it like picture here. [6] Alborzagros ( talk) 06:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Emir of Wikipedia, Mhhossein: I've read the note about "Iran" meaning the same as "Persia", but I'm not sure why the infobox must call Iran "Iran, Islamic Republic of". Surely this too means the same as "Persia"? Quasar G t - c 23:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
because of white complexion of the revered seventh Imam ; her mother could not be a berber; there where at the same time slaving daughters in the british isles and carrying them to maghreb; there fore she could be either a Brits or Spanish; the same for the mother of revered eigth Imam; that was also a slave from Maghreb ; that there was mentioned a talk from christian woman saying something about the future of mother of imam at time there were in baghdad; this could be a clue that she was also Brits.But these are just pure speculation;Not based on thehistory. Amir Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.157.144.74 ( talk) 12:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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This article has several different values for the date of death. In the infobox, it says 17 Safar, or 6 June 818, but introduction puts the Gregorian date at 23 August 818. Later in the "Death" section, it says the precise date is unknown, and the "Reciting the sermon" section places his death on 30 Safar. So something is messed up here. —
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Researching this date for an unusual reason this year of 2019 AD 176B.E. I found the most widely accepted date by scholars is the last day of Saraf. That would make the 30 Saraf date the correct one. This is also when the Martyrdom is observed in Iran, so I would go with that date.
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Al-Dhahabi never held hatred against the ahlul bait, in fact his books are filled with praise for them! to claim that "Al-Dhahabi, known for his enmity towards the Ahl al-Bayt, could not help but acknowledge" is a blatant lie and cause for sectarian tension. also, the ref given is to a website that is no longer active and takes you to a page with viruses! It's contradictory that he hated ahlul bait when in the same section you say that he praised ahlul bait! I ask this part to be removed or changed because this simply isn't true! AmirsamanZare ( talk) 14:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
“The noble and complete Imam, the grandson of the Messenger of Allâh and his sweet scented plant (Rayhanah) from the world, his beloved one, Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein bin (the son of) Amir AlMu’minin (Prince of the Believers) Abu AlHassan Ali bin Abi Talib bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hashim ibn Abdu Manaf bin Qusai, the Quraishian and the Hashemite”. [1]
“The honorable Imam Zain AlA’bidin, the Hashemite, the descendant of Ali, the Medinian”. [2]
And finally “He is the honorable Imam Abu Ja’afar Muhammad bin Ali bin Al-Hussein bin Ali Al-Alawi, Al-Fatimi, AlMadani, the son of Zain Al-Abidin… He was one of those who combined between knowledge and work, honor and dignity, reliability and calmness. He was fit for the Caliphate, and he is one of the twelve Imams whom the Imamate Shiites glorify and believe that they are infallible and sinless and that they know all about the religion. Indeed none is infallible and sinless except the Angels and the Prophets. Everyone can be right or wrong, and his word can be accepted or rejected save that of the Prophet, verily he was infallible and assisted with divine revelation. Abu Ja’afar was famously known as AlBa’qir from the word “baqara al-ilm” to rip open knowledge i.e. to cut it, (this means) he knew its source of origin and its secrets, Abu Ja’afar was a hardworking Imam, a reciter of the Holy Qur’an, great…”. [3]
As you clearly can see, Ad Dhahabi is calling members of ahlul bait Imams and leaders of the Muslims. If he had hated them he would not have called them imams or accepted their khelafah! There are more statements by Dhahabi about the family of the prophet but I feel like this should be sufficient. AmirsamanZare ( talk) 16:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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"Al-Dhahabi, though critical of the Shi'ah, could not help but acknowledge al-Ridha's merits" makes it sound like sunnis consider Ridha shia, but that's not the case. according to the sunni tradition, all the twelve imams were part of ahlul sunnah wa jammah. I suggest that It changes to "Ad-Dhahabi mentions (name of the books where the qoute comes from) that ...." If Dhababi had thought that Imam Rida belonged to the twelver shia sect and preached that he was all-knowing, infallible and controlled the atoms of the universe he wouldn't have praised him.
Ibn Taymiyyah mentions in his Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387) that: "Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge."
Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid says about the imams of the twelver shia: "As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood" [1]
The quotes above shows that scholars of ahlul sunnah don't see the twelve imams as shia, rather as normal sunni scholars. Therefore I ask that the text be changed. AmirsamanZare ( talk) 22:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
AmirsamanZare I changed that section. Leo1pard ( talk) 18:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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@ ActivelyDisinterested: Thanks for catching that. Added the missing sources. The page numbers for encyclopedia articles are given under 'Sources'. The only source with missing page numbers seems to be Sharif al-Qurashi which is not a very reliable one and is only cited by previous editors for the quotes in the last section. I kept those for now since the quotes are uncontroversial and I couldn't find an alternative source. Albertatiran ( talk) 11:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
June 6, 818 is the wrong date. It is equal to 27/11/202 AH. The correct date is September 5, 818 which corresponds to 29/2/203 AH. Aminabzz ( talk) 15:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Tus and Mashhad are two separate places. Tus still exists today. In fact, Mashhad was a village called Sanabad at that time; while Tus was a more important city. But now Mashhad is a great city while Tus is a village (just like Tehran and Ray). Ali al-Rida was killed in Tus; that's true. But al-Ma'mun ordered his body to be buried in his father's tomb (Harun al-Rashid) in Sanabad. Aminabzz ( talk) 17:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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I can't seem to edit the script on this page to get it to format it properly. If you look carefully, it says Arabic 1 and then the Arabic script, followed by January, where the one is supposed to follow the arabic script and precede the month. Pepsidrinka 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
What's this person's date of birth and death? In the article it states something different than in the block on the right. And on the page for July 25, he is also listed. But July 25 is never even mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNME666 ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
98 ALINAQVI121472 ( talk) 15:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
The quotes seem to use very odd, often unclear, English. Since it is obvious the speakers were not speaking English, were they, in truth, using poor grammar and odd diction or is this a problem with the translation? It seems to me that it is the latter, but, of course, I have no way of knowing.
I believe that the portion on the 'Features of the mortality of al-Rida'. I believe that it should be clearly stated that only Shi'a consider Imams as infallible. By only presenting the Shi'a view on this topic and blatantly ignoring the Sunni view, I feel that the article is highly biased and neutrally imbalanced. As per such, I have placed tags on the portion. I personally would recommend a deletion followed by a more factual re-write. Thank you. -- Paradoxicalengineer 05:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Ridha??? Imam Reza is his name and that he is called. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc ( talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
A very respected scholar of Shia religion recently noted that, imam reza is not one of the holiest and perhaps emphasised for misled interests. He noted that a man such as khoemini, who inspired a revolution, who was highly knowledgable about the faith, never once visited mashad imam reza's shrine.just my two cents about this, i think the site has historical, religious significance but it is perhaps exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.39 ( talk) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Reviewed the comments earlier posted about NPOV. I found them to be related to two sections namely "Death" and "...Morality...". Had to change the subject of the latter to be more neutral. Also, removed terms and sentences that were either not-provable or not neutral. If you still find the article agains NPOV, please discuss it here by providing details. Feel free to send me a message through the talk page. Kazemita1 ( talk) 22:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 18:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Ali Al-Ridha → Ali al-Ridha – The "Al" should not be capitalised as per the names of the other Shia Imams (see: Template:Shia Imams). Shiite ( talk) 15:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian The article lacks reliable references. Please help with finding suitable secondary sources to enhance the quality. Consequently, we may nominate it at GA list if it meets the criteria. Mhhossein ( talk) 06:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian, Mhhossein Hello. I am going to help improve this article a little bit. Hadi.anani ( talk) 06:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Alborzagros: What's your motivation for changing the picture of infobox? Mhhossein ( talk) 06:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein: Not any special reason. I glued it like picture here. [6] Alborzagros ( talk) 06:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Emir of Wikipedia, Mhhossein: I've read the note about "Iran" meaning the same as "Persia", but I'm not sure why the infobox must call Iran "Iran, Islamic Republic of". Surely this too means the same as "Persia"? Quasar G t - c 23:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
because of white complexion of the revered seventh Imam ; her mother could not be a berber; there where at the same time slaving daughters in the british isles and carrying them to maghreb; there fore she could be either a Brits or Spanish; the same for the mother of revered eigth Imam; that was also a slave from Maghreb ; that there was mentioned a talk from christian woman saying something about the future of mother of imam at time there were in baghdad; this could be a clue that she was also Brits.But these are just pure speculation;Not based on thehistory. Amir Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.157.144.74 ( talk) 12:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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This article has several different values for the date of death. In the infobox, it says 17 Safar, or 6 June 818, but introduction puts the Gregorian date at 23 August 818. Later in the "Death" section, it says the precise date is unknown, and the "Reciting the sermon" section places his death on 30 Safar. So something is messed up here. —
howcheng {
chat} 17:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Researching this date for an unusual reason this year of 2019 AD 176B.E. I found the most widely accepted date by scholars is the last day of Saraf. That would make the 30 Saraf date the correct one. This is also when the Martyrdom is observed in Iran, so I would go with that date.
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Al-Dhahabi never held hatred against the ahlul bait, in fact his books are filled with praise for them! to claim that "Al-Dhahabi, known for his enmity towards the Ahl al-Bayt, could not help but acknowledge" is a blatant lie and cause for sectarian tension. also, the ref given is to a website that is no longer active and takes you to a page with viruses! It's contradictory that he hated ahlul bait when in the same section you say that he praised ahlul bait! I ask this part to be removed or changed because this simply isn't true! AmirsamanZare ( talk) 14:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
“The noble and complete Imam, the grandson of the Messenger of Allâh and his sweet scented plant (Rayhanah) from the world, his beloved one, Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein bin (the son of) Amir AlMu’minin (Prince of the Believers) Abu AlHassan Ali bin Abi Talib bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hashim ibn Abdu Manaf bin Qusai, the Quraishian and the Hashemite”. [1]
“The honorable Imam Zain AlA’bidin, the Hashemite, the descendant of Ali, the Medinian”. [2]
And finally “He is the honorable Imam Abu Ja’afar Muhammad bin Ali bin Al-Hussein bin Ali Al-Alawi, Al-Fatimi, AlMadani, the son of Zain Al-Abidin… He was one of those who combined between knowledge and work, honor and dignity, reliability and calmness. He was fit for the Caliphate, and he is one of the twelve Imams whom the Imamate Shiites glorify and believe that they are infallible and sinless and that they know all about the religion. Indeed none is infallible and sinless except the Angels and the Prophets. Everyone can be right or wrong, and his word can be accepted or rejected save that of the Prophet, verily he was infallible and assisted with divine revelation. Abu Ja’afar was famously known as AlBa’qir from the word “baqara al-ilm” to rip open knowledge i.e. to cut it, (this means) he knew its source of origin and its secrets, Abu Ja’afar was a hardworking Imam, a reciter of the Holy Qur’an, great…”. [3]
As you clearly can see, Ad Dhahabi is calling members of ahlul bait Imams and leaders of the Muslims. If he had hated them he would not have called them imams or accepted their khelafah! There are more statements by Dhahabi about the family of the prophet but I feel like this should be sufficient. AmirsamanZare ( talk) 16:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
References
"Al-Dhahabi, though critical of the Shi'ah, could not help but acknowledge al-Ridha's merits" makes it sound like sunnis consider Ridha shia, but that's not the case. according to the sunni tradition, all the twelve imams were part of ahlul sunnah wa jammah. I suggest that It changes to "Ad-Dhahabi mentions (name of the books where the qoute comes from) that ...." If Dhababi had thought that Imam Rida belonged to the twelver shia sect and preached that he was all-knowing, infallible and controlled the atoms of the universe he wouldn't have praised him.
Ibn Taymiyyah mentions in his Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387) that: "Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge."
Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid says about the imams of the twelver shia: "As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood" [1]
The quotes above shows that scholars of ahlul sunnah don't see the twelve imams as shia, rather as normal sunni scholars. Therefore I ask that the text be changed. AmirsamanZare ( talk) 22:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
AmirsamanZare I changed that section. Leo1pard ( talk) 18:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
References
Most of the material from poor sources (websites and such) was replaced with similar content from better sources, which meant also rewriting much of the article. New information about succession and character were added, among other changes. Some of the changes are highlighted below:
@ ActivelyDisinterested: Thanks for catching that. Added the missing sources. The page numbers for encyclopedia articles are given under 'Sources'. The only source with missing page numbers seems to be Sharif al-Qurashi which is not a very reliable one and is only cited by previous editors for the quotes in the last section. I kept those for now since the quotes are uncontroversial and I couldn't find an alternative source. Albertatiran ( talk) 11:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
June 6, 818 is the wrong date. It is equal to 27/11/202 AH. The correct date is September 5, 818 which corresponds to 29/2/203 AH. Aminabzz ( talk) 15:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Tus and Mashhad are two separate places. Tus still exists today. In fact, Mashhad was a village called Sanabad at that time; while Tus was a more important city. But now Mashhad is a great city while Tus is a village (just like Tehran and Ray). Ali al-Rida was killed in Tus; that's true. But al-Ma'mun ordered his body to be buried in his father's tomb (Harun al-Rashid) in Sanabad. Aminabzz ( talk) 17:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)