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I have added an extra title to the titles from birth to death section of this article but I may be wrong. Please feel free to correct me. Following the abdication of Nicholas II, Alexandra ceased to be the Empress of all the Russias. Therefore as Nicholas was no longer the reigning monarch and could not revert to his previous titles, Alexandra reverted back to her previous title which is Her Grand Ducal Highness Princess Alexandra (not Alix as she had changed her name by this point) of Hesse and by Rhine. If we take the view that she kept her title (which the Soviets did not allow her to do so), she would have becomes Her Imperial Majesty Empress Alexandra of all the Russias from her husbands abdication in 1917 until 1918. Similarily if none of the above options apply, she would have become Mrs Alexandra Romanov on her husbands abdication or probably Mrs Nicholas Romanov. Consider thinking about this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.96.143 ( talk) 17:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be mrs Romanova. Her surname after marriage was Romanova, NOT Romanov. Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:00, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I have edited the titles and styles section of this article as it's factually incorrect. Alexandra retained her Princely title right up until her death. She didn't lose this as it was her birth right. The title Empress was used simply because it was higher, not because she ceased to be a Princess. Similarly to refer to her as "Alexandra Romanova" ignores the fact that she held several other honours (irrespective of whether she was no longer Empress). In Spain for example, she'd been a Dame of the Order of Queen Maria Luisa since 1896. At the very least, she'd be Dame Alexandra Romanova if we disputed her retaining her Princely status (which she did).
It is spelled Feodorovna and pronounced Fyuhdrovna Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The previous vote was inconclusive precisely because it was too complex. The way to settle this is to do it they way they do California recall elections: first take a poll solely on the question of "keep the article at 'Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse'". If there's rough consensus to move it, then you hold another poll to decide what the new name should be, with each person getting one vote only. (I would suggest that in the interest of fairness, 'Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse' be included as an option in the second poll - that way, if the "change it" group don't agree on a different name, those who like AFoH get it back there.) Noel (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Support Noel's suggestion. Deb 17:25, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Support Noel too.
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Oppose. That is not the way to do a decision. Agreeing to some move without knowing what is the result. The proposed result should be presented, and IT will be set against another in the vote. I will not accept the proposed procedure for example in a situation to change bylaws (or constituion): it is to give blank authorization to a change, not knowing what would be the result. Basically, the situation is that if there is no one specified other alternative that wins as itself against the specified incumbent, sorry, it will not be a proper decision. As to the great number of alternatives in vote, it should not have meant anything to honest voters. All voting systems are dependent on honesty (i.e. if every voter votes for all those alternatives s/he approves) - everything can go wrong otherwise. Arrigo 20:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
oppose as per my note above. We need not a plurality, and not even majority, but consensus. Noel's procedure is NOT designed to determine a consensus. What's wrong with the procedure I proposed above to put all name for support/oppose and than make a run-off vote for the single name that collects the least amount of "oppose" votes? -- Irpen 01:32, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. I support Irpen's method for resolution. Lethiere 04:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I strongly object to leaving the page where it is. All the other pages on Russian empresses are at Name Patronymic (Birthname of Birthcountry). I don't see why this page should remain at this location, which a number of people have strongly objected to, when we could move it to Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse), which only Arrigo/217 has objected to. john k 18:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Nothing is going on for a while and there is no solution in sight.
I would like to start a new vote just for one name: Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse). Let's see whether it is rejected and, if not, we can move the article. Reasons explained above. Are there objections to starting this vote for this one name from a clean list? -- Irpen 23:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
What date did the coronation take place? I can't seem to find it on Nicholas's page either.
The coronation took place on May 14th 1896 which I added, I also added a link to the khodynka tragedy. Stevenscollege 19:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and moved all discussions which looked pretty much dead since 2005, to Archive 1. If I accidentally moved anything that anyone feels was important and needed to the current discussions, please feel free to pull it back here to the main page. -- Elonka 19:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If so, Category:People executed by firing squad should go as it only should contain judicial executions. If it is considered judicial by relevant criteria, it cannot be categorized as murder. __ meco 16:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It was most definitely extrajudicial. john k 17:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
This may have been addressed earlier, but should the title of this article not be "Alix of Hesse and by Rhine (Alexandra Fyodorovna)"? s per Wiki conventions re naming of royal/imperial spouses? Mowens35 22:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
First, I would like to chastice in strongest possible terms the moves taken wihout consultation irrelevant of how I see the new names. As for the name, the person is best known as an empress of Russia which she was as Alexandra Fyodorvna, not a the German princess. But I do see a point with parenthised name, which should be then Alexandra Fyodorvna (Alix of Hesse). Before responding, please make sure you are familiar with past discussions. -- Irpen 23:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The naming conventions for other royals, #9 cleary state that past consorts are listed by their maiden name, usually with their regnal name being a redirect to their page. Check Catherine of Aragon (Queen Catherine of England), Alexandra of Denmark (Queen Alexandra of the UK) and Mary of Teck (Queen Mary of the UK); this is the way it is done. And moves that are this controversial, are usually brought up as a requested move and not done unilaterally. Prsgodd e ss187 23:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The issue with Russian empresses is that they change their names. There was no "Alexandra of Hesse", and she is not best known as "Alix of Hesse". We need an overall solution for Russian Empresses in particular. I've several times proposed the format [[Adoptedname Patronymic (Birthname of Birthcountry)]] for Russian Empresses. The form Alix of Hesse is deeply bad, because it goes against the most important rule of naming, which is that the name should be recognizable. Why should the woman known throughout the world as "Empress Maria Fyodorovna of Russia" be at the title Dagmar of Denmark? If this is what the current naming conventions say, they need to be changed - note that only the least well known of all the foreign Russian empresses, Empress Elisabeth Alexeyevna, is located at her birthname ( Louise of Baden). All the others have been moved to a bewildering series of alternate names. At any rate, my proposal for this page is Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) or Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse and by Rhine). john k 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone present deny that the subject of this article is best known as (the Enpress) Alexandra?
For the love of God, the late Empress was born Alix Viktoria Helene Luise Beatrice. Her first name was the German transliteration of her mother's name. The Grand Duchess of Hesse wanted to name her daughter Alice, but the Germans pronounced it Aliice. So she named her Alix because that was the closest transliteration. She didn't name her daughter Viktoria Alix. She already had a daughter whose first given name was Viktoria. Because the later Marchioness of Milford Haven was also called Viktoria the Grand Duchess would not have given her fourth daughter a first given name of Viktoria.
It wasn't the way of Queen Victoria's children to give their children the same name in the exact same place. For example, The Empress Frederick named her eldest daughter Viktoria Elisabeth Augusta Charlotte, and called her Charlotte. She named her next daughter Friderike Amalia Wilhelmine Viktoria, and called her Viktoria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.80.239.49 ( talk) 23:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The article has been moved again, this time to Alix of Hesse and Rhine by User:Popov 2000, which is ridiculous. I moved the page nack to what it was before.
I myself moved the article to Empress Alexandra of Russia (which was changed yet again), because likely anyone who looks up the words Empress Alexandra of Russia, etc. is looking for the last Russia Empress, wife of Tsar Nicholas II.
I agree along the same lines with User:Irpen and User:John Kenney - the name should be 'Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse Darmstadt).
She was NEVER known as Alexandra Feodorovna of Hesse, or Alix of Hesse and Rhine.
Now, what of the spelling of Feodorovna?? I have a coffee-table-ish book called "Nicholas and Alexandra" that presents the collection of Tsarist-related items of the Hermitage, and in this book her name is spelled Feodorovna (not to mention in every other book, etc. I have ever read with her name in it), not Fyodorovna as is spelled in the article. But since every Wikipedia article has the name spelled in this way, perhaps it should just be left as Fyodorovna?
What does everyone think?????? Sould the article be moved to Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse Darmstadt)???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrlopez2681 ( talk • contribs).
I agree with JohnK. The reason why her adopted name should go first, IMO, is that it is under this name that she became notable and also a saint. Usually the consorts fall into obscurity and here this is clearly not the case. The barely known princess Alix became a last empress of the Russian Empire, a martyr and a saint. Therefore I support Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse). Her article in EB is named as simply Alexandra. I am asking all to read the archives. Also note that AF is her maiden name since she legally changed it before marriage. A of H is her birth name rather than a maiden one. -- Irpen 14:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest that all the Russian empresses be at that format. At one point, I moved them all, except this article, to be so, but now they've been moved to the various ends of the earth. This would give us...
Does anyone object? Currently, only the other Alexandra Fyodorovna is at this location. john k 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Besides, as I pointed a while ago, the 1911 Britannica, a conteporary source for her years, calls her "Alix of Hesse" not mentioning Rhine. -- Irpen 19:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, as I see them, the situation is this:
Given that, I see no particular reason to insist on the formal title. I would say this certainly for her, and also for most other members of the family. I'd add that "Hesse-Darmstadt" is a much more commonly used designation for the same thing, and one that was used for junior dynasts, for instance, the Almanach de Gotha, which was the authoritative source on European royal genealogy at the time. The article should, of course, give her formal full title in the text, but there's no particular need to have it in the title. john k 23:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Alix is not her "true" name in a sense that Alexandra would then be a false name. Alix is her birth name which she changed upon her conversion. She became the most notable as Alexandra and the article should be under the name under which the person got such notability. The article about the Pope John Paul II is not called Karol Wojtyla. -- Irpen 00:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
This title would be totally acceptable to me. In fact, I argued for it many times. -- Irpen 01:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Several editors ebove have made the basic mistake of calling the consort name as maiden name, The historical naming, which also is used as convention here, means pre-marital name - in some cases, it produces a differenmt result, compare Wallis Watfield Simpson and Josephine de Beauharnais. Also Alexandra Fyodorovna seems to be such case. ObRoy 17:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
How is it that Princess Alix and Tsarevich Nicholas were "cousins by marriage"? I thought that your cousin by marriage was your cousin's spouse or your spouse's cousin. When Alix and Nicholas met, neither of them had ever been married, so how were they related? — EgbertW 06:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Closest relationship through any marriage seems to have been: Nicholas was Alexandra's sister's nephew-by-marriage at the time of their own wedding. ObRoy 17:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, in books and other material about Alexandra, it is mentioned that (1) one of the reasons she first became acquainted with Nicholas was the fact that her elder sister had already almost ten years been married with Nicholas' uncle (and was living in Russia); and (2) when Alexandra settled in Russia to marry and when married, lived there, her sister's presence in the same country, and such family relations, were part of Alexandra's experience (whatever they were) to settle and live. Therefore, I am greatly amazed that someone is able to claim "probably not worth mentioning as such" about this relationship. ObRoy 18:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I asked -- that's some good detailed information. Looking further into their family trees, I noticed that Nicholas and Alix were also both first cousins of King George V (through different grandparents):
— EgbertW 21:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Can I just ask why the did consorts of Russian emporers take the surname or patronmyic of Feodrovna on marriage? Penrithguy 19:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
They didn't always. Alexander II's consort was Alexandrovna, Alexander I's was Alexeyevna, as were Paul's first wife and Catherine the Great. john k 04:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I question the need to include the statement below in the article. It is not directly related to Alexandra Fyodorovna and should really be placed in the Rasputin article under his biography section.
"Rasputin was eventually murdered. Amongst the conspirators was a nobleman Prince Felix Yusupov and a member of the Romanov family Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, who was married to the Tsar's niece Princess Irina (daughter of Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich) in 1916."
I have deleted it from the article and placed it here so that it is not lost. Cheers 61.68.183.41 14:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The title 'Grand Duchess' was reserved for the daughters and male line granddaughters of a Tsar. eg Queen Olga of Greece was a granddaughter of Tsar Nicholas 1 through her father Grand Duke Konstantin. Therefore before her marriage she was styled 'Grand Duchess'. The next generation on -ie great grand children of a Tsar, irrespective of male or female descent became styled 'prince or princess'. Princess Irina Yusupova was thus styled 'princess' because she was a female descent granddaughter of a Tsar (Alexander 111)and both a male and female descent great daughter of another Tsar( Nicholas 1). Had Nicholas II's brother Grand Duke George married and had children they too would have been styled 'Grand Duke or Grand Duchess'. Nicholas II's other brother Grand Duke Michael contracted a marriage that was considered so unsuitable his children were excluded from the succession and so his son was demoted to the tile of 'Count'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.195.8 ( talk) 09:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I am getting so tired of seeing articles that look totally RIDICULOUS because some users want to over-stuff them with images. With little regard for layout, these users care only that the said photos are placed right next to whichever paragraph that mentions whatever is in the image. Although this can be a good thing it must be done with taste - this article looks TERRIBLE!!
-- Mrlopez2681 ( talk) 07:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
-- Mrlopez2681 ( talk) 03:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
No this is wrong I have seen articles that have way more photos Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Alix was born on the 6th of June 1872. I correct the info in the article. If somebody ask me, I give you references.-- AndreaMimi ( talk) 18:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
A word about old style and new style calendars:
I was just looking at the Wikipedia entries for her husband (Tsar Nicholas II) and their children. They were born in Russia, with the Tsar and 3 of the children being born before the gap between old style and new style changed from 12 to 13 days. However, Alix, the subject of THIS Wikipedia article, was born in Germany, which presumably was new style already, so I take it 6 June 1872 is indeed in accordance with new style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 17:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) to Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) as the result of a move request.
The result of the proposal was - move.
Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) → Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) — The correct form of her patronymic in English would be Feodorovna. Her other predecessors, Dagmar of Denmark and Sophie Dorothea of Württemberg are located at Feodorovna, and this is where Alix needs to be as well. — Morhange ( talk) 23:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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One of Alix's godparents is noted as the Landgravine of Hesse. However when you click on the link, it brings you to "Duchess Anna of Prussia and Jülich-Cleves-Berg (3 July 1576 - 30 August 1625) "
Clearly this woman could not have been the godmother of a princess born in 1872. Please amend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welys ( talk • contribs) 11:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Alix was married relatively late for her rank in her era
how is 22 marying late? cam somebody please explaine to me thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.28.168 ( talk) 18:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I know you wrote this a long time ago, but I thought I would answer your question. Royals back in that day were usually married off in their late teens. - this is why 22 is relatively late. Lenachka25 ( talk)
Actually married, or merely betrothed? I can see clearly betrothals for teenagers being a done thing in late 20th/early 21st century royal circles - but surely not marriage? Sdsures ( talk) 01:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
All of the debate about its spelling aside, how exactly did Alexandra come by the Feodorovna name? Wouldn't this normally be a patronymic? It doesn't appear to have any relationship to the name of her father (Louis, or Ludwig -- not sure what the Russian equivalent would be if there is such a thing). Is it the name of a godfather or some sponsor for her conversion to Orthodoxy? -- Jfruh ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
This is my first ever alteration to Wikipedia, so am a little unsure about what to report, etc.
I saw on the table for Issue that the death dates were given as 18th July. I have altered these to 17th July (can provide long list of references for this if wanted). All other places on wikipedia, and this page also, gives the execution date of the family as the 17th. If these things are not reported here, let me know. :)
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Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
In the section "Relationship with Children"
"Olga could not be the heir presumptive due to the Pauline Laws implemented by tsar Paul I: only a male could succeed to the Russian throne, although there were four female monarchs of Russia before Paul."
This is not true - the Paulione Laws stopped females inheriting if there were ANY male heirs. Perhaps:
"Olga could not be the heir presumptive due to the Pauline Laws implemented by tsar Paul I: Females could succeed to the throne only if there were no other possible male heirs anywhere within the family."
The latter statement about four prior Sovereign Tsaritsas then becomes redundant.
Paul
Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Come to think of it, "Tsar" needs capitalistion as well. :)
Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:26, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Just like with Russian tsars. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
The article uses both of the above in different places, apparently without pattern. While the former is common in English it is incorrect (see my edit to "Tsaritsa" if it survives) and it would be best if this and other articles used "tsaritsa" and referenced the article "Tsaritsa" for an explanation. Chrismorey ( talk) 03:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
It is Tsarina Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
In section 3.2, "Rejection By the Russian People," this article said, in reference to Alexandra's uncle- and aunt-in-law:
I removed the phrase "quite accurately," since it was a statement of the author's opinion (i.e., that Alexandra was correct to consider the three men "irredeemably immoral"), not a fact. There are other parts of this article that I think might need cleaning up for non-factual statements, but this was the only one I found that I was really sure about. Mia229 ( talk) 02:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Whoever wrote the section in Engagement has taken large sections from Robert Massie's book, "Nicholas and Alexandra", without putting them in quotation or citing the source. I know this because I have read the Massie book so frequently I have it almost memorized. Here is an example:
"Alexander III and his wife Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark), both vigorously anti-German, had no intention of permitting a match with the tsarevich. Although Princess Alix was his godchild, it was generally known that Alexander III was angling for a bigger catch for his son, someone like Princess Hélène, the tall dark-haired daughter of Philippe, comte de Paris, pretender to the throne of France.[5] The prospect of marrying Hélène did not appeal to Nicholas. He wrote in his diary, "Mama made a few allusions to Hélène, daughter of the Comte de Paris. I myself want to go in one direction and it is evident that Mama wants me to choose the other one."[6] Fortunately for Nicholas, Hélène also resisted. She was Roman Catholic and her father refused to allow her to become Russian Orthodox. After appealing to the Pope, who refused to consider the marriage, the relationship ended. The tsar, despite his anti-German sentiments, then sent emissaries to Princess Margaret of Prussia, daughter of German Emperor Frederick III and sister of German Emperor Wilhelm II, and, who was, like Alix, a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. Nicholas flatly declared that he would rather become a monk than marry the plain and boring Margaret. Margaret stated in any case that she was unwilling to give up her Protestant religion to become Russian Orthodox.
As long as he was well, Alexander III ignored his son's demands. He only relented as his health began to fail in 1894.[7] Alix was troubled by the requirement that she renounce her Lutheran faith and become Orthodox, but she was persuaded and eventually became a fervent convert. Alexander III and Marie Feodorovna were not the only ones opposed to the match: Queen Victoria was also opposed to the match, writing to Alix's sister Victoria of her suspicions (which were correct) that Sergei and Elizabeth were encouraging the match.[8] The Queen's opposition stemmed not from personal feelings about the Tsarevich, whom she personally liked, but her misgivings about Russia, including past political experiences, her personal dislike of Nicholas's father, and fears over her granddaughter's safety." Sdsures ( talk) 21:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Some parts of this article seem to be copied-pasted from the original sources, for example this:
Tuesday, 16 July 1918 passed normally for the former imperial family. At four o'clock in the afternoon, Nicholas and his daughters took their usual walk in the small garden. Early in the evening Yurovsky sent away the fifteen-year-old kitchen boy Leonid Sedinev, saying that his uncle wished to see him. At 7 p.m., Yurovsky summoned all the Cheka men into his room and ordered them to collect all the revolvers from the outside guards. With twelve heavy military revolvers lying before him on the table he said, "Tonight, we shoot the entire family, everybody." Upstairs Nicholas and Alexandra passed the evening playing bezique; at ten thirty, they went to bed. [1]
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In 1918, they were subsequently moved to Bolshevik controlled Yekaterinburg. Nicholas, Alexandra and their daughter Maria arrived at the Ipatiev House on 30 April 1918. On entering their new prison, they were ordered to open all their luggage. Alexandra immediately objected. Nicholas tried to come to her defence saying, "So far we have had polite treatment and men who were gentlemen but now -" [2] The former Tsar was quickly cut off. The guards informed him he was no longer at Tsarskoe Selo and that refusal to comply with their request would result in his removal from the rest of his family; a second offence would be rewarded with hard labour. Fearing for her husband's safety, Alexandra quickly gave in and allowed the search. On the window frame of what was to be her last bedroom in the Ipatiev House, Alexandra scrawled a swastika, her favourite good luck symbol, and pencilled the date 17/30 April 1918. [2] In May, the rest of the family arrived in Yekaterinburg. They had not been able to travel earlier due to the illness of Alexei. Alexandra was pleased to be reunited with her family once more.
Seventy-five men did guard duty at the Ipatiev House. Many of the men were factory workers from the local Zlokazovsky Factory and the Verkh-Isetsk Factory. The commandant of the Ipatiev House, Alexander Avadeyev was described as "a real Bolshevik". The majority of witnesses recall him as coarse, brutish and a heavy drinker. If a request for a favour on behalf of the family reached Avadeyev, he always gave the same response, "Let them go to hell!!" The guards in the house often heard him refer to the deposed tsar as "Nicholas the Blood-Drinker" and to Alexandra as "The German Bitch". [3]
-- AMPERIO ( talk) 11:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
References
Is it really appropriate to refer to refer to Alexandra as her "Christian name"? She was already Christian before she became Orthodox.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Is there a reason why we changed the photo in the infobox? I personally believe the old one captured her appearance much better than the current one and I see no vote or consensus on the change. It seems like it was just changed on a whim and nobody said anything about it. UNSC Luke 1021 ( talk) 01:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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I personally believe that there are not enough photographs on this Wikipedia article Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse). I will try to add more. I have already changed the first photograph on this article. Could someone please help me? If so, thank you. Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 17:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I’m new to the Wikipedia community, so apologies in advance for any errors.
Two of the sources in the Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) have been debunked by historians as inaccurate/false.
The first being “Martha Mouchanow, My Empress: Twenty-Three Years of Intimate Life with the Empress of all the Russias from her Marriage to the Day of her Exile”. Martha Mouchanow is an alias, and their identity has never been discovered. Regardless, nearly all of their ‘memoirs’ can be proven to be inaccurate/false by looking at the letters and diaries of the Romanov family.
The second being, Carolly Erickson’s book “Alexandra: The Last Tsarina”. Erickson relied heavily on Mouchanow as a source for her book, so her book is of course mostly inaccurate as a result.
I’m not sure how to go about fixing this, so any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Louvima ( talk) 14:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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I have added an extra title to the titles from birth to death section of this article but I may be wrong. Please feel free to correct me. Following the abdication of Nicholas II, Alexandra ceased to be the Empress of all the Russias. Therefore as Nicholas was no longer the reigning monarch and could not revert to his previous titles, Alexandra reverted back to her previous title which is Her Grand Ducal Highness Princess Alexandra (not Alix as she had changed her name by this point) of Hesse and by Rhine. If we take the view that she kept her title (which the Soviets did not allow her to do so), she would have becomes Her Imperial Majesty Empress Alexandra of all the Russias from her husbands abdication in 1917 until 1918. Similarily if none of the above options apply, she would have become Mrs Alexandra Romanov on her husbands abdication or probably Mrs Nicholas Romanov. Consider thinking about this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.96.143 ( talk) 17:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be mrs Romanova. Her surname after marriage was Romanova, NOT Romanov. Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:00, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I have edited the titles and styles section of this article as it's factually incorrect. Alexandra retained her Princely title right up until her death. She didn't lose this as it was her birth right. The title Empress was used simply because it was higher, not because she ceased to be a Princess. Similarly to refer to her as "Alexandra Romanova" ignores the fact that she held several other honours (irrespective of whether she was no longer Empress). In Spain for example, she'd been a Dame of the Order of Queen Maria Luisa since 1896. At the very least, she'd be Dame Alexandra Romanova if we disputed her retaining her Princely status (which she did).
It is spelled Feodorovna and pronounced Fyuhdrovna Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The previous vote was inconclusive precisely because it was too complex. The way to settle this is to do it they way they do California recall elections: first take a poll solely on the question of "keep the article at 'Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse'". If there's rough consensus to move it, then you hold another poll to decide what the new name should be, with each person getting one vote only. (I would suggest that in the interest of fairness, 'Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse' be included as an option in the second poll - that way, if the "change it" group don't agree on a different name, those who like AFoH get it back there.) Noel (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Support Noel's suggestion. Deb 17:25, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Support Noel too.
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19:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. That is not the way to do a decision. Agreeing to some move without knowing what is the result. The proposed result should be presented, and IT will be set against another in the vote. I will not accept the proposed procedure for example in a situation to change bylaws (or constituion): it is to give blank authorization to a change, not knowing what would be the result. Basically, the situation is that if there is no one specified other alternative that wins as itself against the specified incumbent, sorry, it will not be a proper decision. As to the great number of alternatives in vote, it should not have meant anything to honest voters. All voting systems are dependent on honesty (i.e. if every voter votes for all those alternatives s/he approves) - everything can go wrong otherwise. Arrigo 20:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
oppose as per my note above. We need not a plurality, and not even majority, but consensus. Noel's procedure is NOT designed to determine a consensus. What's wrong with the procedure I proposed above to put all name for support/oppose and than make a run-off vote for the single name that collects the least amount of "oppose" votes? -- Irpen 01:32, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. I support Irpen's method for resolution. Lethiere 04:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I strongly object to leaving the page where it is. All the other pages on Russian empresses are at Name Patronymic (Birthname of Birthcountry). I don't see why this page should remain at this location, which a number of people have strongly objected to, when we could move it to Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse), which only Arrigo/217 has objected to. john k 18:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Nothing is going on for a while and there is no solution in sight.
I would like to start a new vote just for one name: Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse). Let's see whether it is rejected and, if not, we can move the article. Reasons explained above. Are there objections to starting this vote for this one name from a clean list? -- Irpen 23:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
What date did the coronation take place? I can't seem to find it on Nicholas's page either.
The coronation took place on May 14th 1896 which I added, I also added a link to the khodynka tragedy. Stevenscollege 19:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and moved all discussions which looked pretty much dead since 2005, to Archive 1. If I accidentally moved anything that anyone feels was important and needed to the current discussions, please feel free to pull it back here to the main page. -- Elonka 19:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If so, Category:People executed by firing squad should go as it only should contain judicial executions. If it is considered judicial by relevant criteria, it cannot be categorized as murder. __ meco 16:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It was most definitely extrajudicial. john k 17:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
This may have been addressed earlier, but should the title of this article not be "Alix of Hesse and by Rhine (Alexandra Fyodorovna)"? s per Wiki conventions re naming of royal/imperial spouses? Mowens35 22:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
First, I would like to chastice in strongest possible terms the moves taken wihout consultation irrelevant of how I see the new names. As for the name, the person is best known as an empress of Russia which she was as Alexandra Fyodorvna, not a the German princess. But I do see a point with parenthised name, which should be then Alexandra Fyodorvna (Alix of Hesse). Before responding, please make sure you are familiar with past discussions. -- Irpen 23:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The naming conventions for other royals, #9 cleary state that past consorts are listed by their maiden name, usually with their regnal name being a redirect to their page. Check Catherine of Aragon (Queen Catherine of England), Alexandra of Denmark (Queen Alexandra of the UK) and Mary of Teck (Queen Mary of the UK); this is the way it is done. And moves that are this controversial, are usually brought up as a requested move and not done unilaterally. Prsgodd e ss187 23:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The issue with Russian empresses is that they change their names. There was no "Alexandra of Hesse", and she is not best known as "Alix of Hesse". We need an overall solution for Russian Empresses in particular. I've several times proposed the format [[Adoptedname Patronymic (Birthname of Birthcountry)]] for Russian Empresses. The form Alix of Hesse is deeply bad, because it goes against the most important rule of naming, which is that the name should be recognizable. Why should the woman known throughout the world as "Empress Maria Fyodorovna of Russia" be at the title Dagmar of Denmark? If this is what the current naming conventions say, they need to be changed - note that only the least well known of all the foreign Russian empresses, Empress Elisabeth Alexeyevna, is located at her birthname ( Louise of Baden). All the others have been moved to a bewildering series of alternate names. At any rate, my proposal for this page is Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) or Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse and by Rhine). john k 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone present deny that the subject of this article is best known as (the Enpress) Alexandra?
For the love of God, the late Empress was born Alix Viktoria Helene Luise Beatrice. Her first name was the German transliteration of her mother's name. The Grand Duchess of Hesse wanted to name her daughter Alice, but the Germans pronounced it Aliice. So she named her Alix because that was the closest transliteration. She didn't name her daughter Viktoria Alix. She already had a daughter whose first given name was Viktoria. Because the later Marchioness of Milford Haven was also called Viktoria the Grand Duchess would not have given her fourth daughter a first given name of Viktoria.
It wasn't the way of Queen Victoria's children to give their children the same name in the exact same place. For example, The Empress Frederick named her eldest daughter Viktoria Elisabeth Augusta Charlotte, and called her Charlotte. She named her next daughter Friderike Amalia Wilhelmine Viktoria, and called her Viktoria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.80.239.49 ( talk) 23:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The article has been moved again, this time to Alix of Hesse and Rhine by User:Popov 2000, which is ridiculous. I moved the page nack to what it was before.
I myself moved the article to Empress Alexandra of Russia (which was changed yet again), because likely anyone who looks up the words Empress Alexandra of Russia, etc. is looking for the last Russia Empress, wife of Tsar Nicholas II.
I agree along the same lines with User:Irpen and User:John Kenney - the name should be 'Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse Darmstadt).
She was NEVER known as Alexandra Feodorovna of Hesse, or Alix of Hesse and Rhine.
Now, what of the spelling of Feodorovna?? I have a coffee-table-ish book called "Nicholas and Alexandra" that presents the collection of Tsarist-related items of the Hermitage, and in this book her name is spelled Feodorovna (not to mention in every other book, etc. I have ever read with her name in it), not Fyodorovna as is spelled in the article. But since every Wikipedia article has the name spelled in this way, perhaps it should just be left as Fyodorovna?
What does everyone think?????? Sould the article be moved to Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse Darmstadt)???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrlopez2681 ( talk • contribs).
I agree with JohnK. The reason why her adopted name should go first, IMO, is that it is under this name that she became notable and also a saint. Usually the consorts fall into obscurity and here this is clearly not the case. The barely known princess Alix became a last empress of the Russian Empire, a martyr and a saint. Therefore I support Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse). Her article in EB is named as simply Alexandra. I am asking all to read the archives. Also note that AF is her maiden name since she legally changed it before marriage. A of H is her birth name rather than a maiden one. -- Irpen 14:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest that all the Russian empresses be at that format. At one point, I moved them all, except this article, to be so, but now they've been moved to the various ends of the earth. This would give us...
Does anyone object? Currently, only the other Alexandra Fyodorovna is at this location. john k 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Besides, as I pointed a while ago, the 1911 Britannica, a conteporary source for her years, calls her "Alix of Hesse" not mentioning Rhine. -- Irpen 19:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, as I see them, the situation is this:
Given that, I see no particular reason to insist on the formal title. I would say this certainly for her, and also for most other members of the family. I'd add that "Hesse-Darmstadt" is a much more commonly used designation for the same thing, and one that was used for junior dynasts, for instance, the Almanach de Gotha, which was the authoritative source on European royal genealogy at the time. The article should, of course, give her formal full title in the text, but there's no particular need to have it in the title. john k 23:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Alix is not her "true" name in a sense that Alexandra would then be a false name. Alix is her birth name which she changed upon her conversion. She became the most notable as Alexandra and the article should be under the name under which the person got such notability. The article about the Pope John Paul II is not called Karol Wojtyla. -- Irpen 00:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
This title would be totally acceptable to me. In fact, I argued for it many times. -- Irpen 01:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Several editors ebove have made the basic mistake of calling the consort name as maiden name, The historical naming, which also is used as convention here, means pre-marital name - in some cases, it produces a differenmt result, compare Wallis Watfield Simpson and Josephine de Beauharnais. Also Alexandra Fyodorovna seems to be such case. ObRoy 17:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
How is it that Princess Alix and Tsarevich Nicholas were "cousins by marriage"? I thought that your cousin by marriage was your cousin's spouse or your spouse's cousin. When Alix and Nicholas met, neither of them had ever been married, so how were they related? — EgbertW 06:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Closest relationship through any marriage seems to have been: Nicholas was Alexandra's sister's nephew-by-marriage at the time of their own wedding. ObRoy 17:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, in books and other material about Alexandra, it is mentioned that (1) one of the reasons she first became acquainted with Nicholas was the fact that her elder sister had already almost ten years been married with Nicholas' uncle (and was living in Russia); and (2) when Alexandra settled in Russia to marry and when married, lived there, her sister's presence in the same country, and such family relations, were part of Alexandra's experience (whatever they were) to settle and live. Therefore, I am greatly amazed that someone is able to claim "probably not worth mentioning as such" about this relationship. ObRoy 18:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I asked -- that's some good detailed information. Looking further into their family trees, I noticed that Nicholas and Alix were also both first cousins of King George V (through different grandparents):
— EgbertW 21:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Can I just ask why the did consorts of Russian emporers take the surname or patronmyic of Feodrovna on marriage? Penrithguy 19:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
They didn't always. Alexander II's consort was Alexandrovna, Alexander I's was Alexeyevna, as were Paul's first wife and Catherine the Great. john k 04:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I question the need to include the statement below in the article. It is not directly related to Alexandra Fyodorovna and should really be placed in the Rasputin article under his biography section.
"Rasputin was eventually murdered. Amongst the conspirators was a nobleman Prince Felix Yusupov and a member of the Romanov family Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, who was married to the Tsar's niece Princess Irina (daughter of Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich) in 1916."
I have deleted it from the article and placed it here so that it is not lost. Cheers 61.68.183.41 14:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The title 'Grand Duchess' was reserved for the daughters and male line granddaughters of a Tsar. eg Queen Olga of Greece was a granddaughter of Tsar Nicholas 1 through her father Grand Duke Konstantin. Therefore before her marriage she was styled 'Grand Duchess'. The next generation on -ie great grand children of a Tsar, irrespective of male or female descent became styled 'prince or princess'. Princess Irina Yusupova was thus styled 'princess' because she was a female descent granddaughter of a Tsar (Alexander 111)and both a male and female descent great daughter of another Tsar( Nicholas 1). Had Nicholas II's brother Grand Duke George married and had children they too would have been styled 'Grand Duke or Grand Duchess'. Nicholas II's other brother Grand Duke Michael contracted a marriage that was considered so unsuitable his children were excluded from the succession and so his son was demoted to the tile of 'Count'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.195.8 ( talk) 09:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I am getting so tired of seeing articles that look totally RIDICULOUS because some users want to over-stuff them with images. With little regard for layout, these users care only that the said photos are placed right next to whichever paragraph that mentions whatever is in the image. Although this can be a good thing it must be done with taste - this article looks TERRIBLE!!
-- Mrlopez2681 ( talk) 07:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
-- Mrlopez2681 ( talk) 03:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
No this is wrong I have seen articles that have way more photos Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Alix was born on the 6th of June 1872. I correct the info in the article. If somebody ask me, I give you references.-- AndreaMimi ( talk) 18:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
A word about old style and new style calendars:
I was just looking at the Wikipedia entries for her husband (Tsar Nicholas II) and their children. They were born in Russia, with the Tsar and 3 of the children being born before the gap between old style and new style changed from 12 to 13 days. However, Alix, the subject of THIS Wikipedia article, was born in Germany, which presumably was new style already, so I take it 6 June 1872 is indeed in accordance with new style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 17:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) to Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) as the result of a move request.
The result of the proposal was - move.
Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse) → Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) — The correct form of her patronymic in English would be Feodorovna. Her other predecessors, Dagmar of Denmark and Sophie Dorothea of Württemberg are located at Feodorovna, and this is where Alix needs to be as well. — Morhange ( talk) 23:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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One of Alix's godparents is noted as the Landgravine of Hesse. However when you click on the link, it brings you to "Duchess Anna of Prussia and Jülich-Cleves-Berg (3 July 1576 - 30 August 1625) "
Clearly this woman could not have been the godmother of a princess born in 1872. Please amend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welys ( talk • contribs) 11:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Alix was married relatively late for her rank in her era
how is 22 marying late? cam somebody please explaine to me thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.28.168 ( talk) 18:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I know you wrote this a long time ago, but I thought I would answer your question. Royals back in that day were usually married off in their late teens. - this is why 22 is relatively late. Lenachka25 ( talk)
Actually married, or merely betrothed? I can see clearly betrothals for teenagers being a done thing in late 20th/early 21st century royal circles - but surely not marriage? Sdsures ( talk) 01:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
All of the debate about its spelling aside, how exactly did Alexandra come by the Feodorovna name? Wouldn't this normally be a patronymic? It doesn't appear to have any relationship to the name of her father (Louis, or Ludwig -- not sure what the Russian equivalent would be if there is such a thing). Is it the name of a godfather or some sponsor for her conversion to Orthodoxy? -- Jfruh ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
This is my first ever alteration to Wikipedia, so am a little unsure about what to report, etc.
I saw on the table for Issue that the death dates were given as 18th July. I have altered these to 17th July (can provide long list of references for this if wanted). All other places on wikipedia, and this page also, gives the execution date of the family as the 17th. If these things are not reported here, let me know. :)
Paul
Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
In the section "Relationship with Children"
"Olga could not be the heir presumptive due to the Pauline Laws implemented by tsar Paul I: only a male could succeed to the Russian throne, although there were four female monarchs of Russia before Paul."
This is not true - the Paulione Laws stopped females inheriting if there were ANY male heirs. Perhaps:
"Olga could not be the heir presumptive due to the Pauline Laws implemented by tsar Paul I: Females could succeed to the throne only if there were no other possible male heirs anywhere within the family."
The latter statement about four prior Sovereign Tsaritsas then becomes redundant.
Paul
Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Come to think of it, "Tsar" needs capitalistion as well. :)
Ekhmuel ( talk) 14:26, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Just like with Russian tsars. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
The article uses both of the above in different places, apparently without pattern. While the former is common in English it is incorrect (see my edit to "Tsaritsa" if it survives) and it would be best if this and other articles used "tsaritsa" and referenced the article "Tsaritsa" for an explanation. Chrismorey ( talk) 03:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
It is Tsarina Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 22:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
In section 3.2, "Rejection By the Russian People," this article said, in reference to Alexandra's uncle- and aunt-in-law:
I removed the phrase "quite accurately," since it was a statement of the author's opinion (i.e., that Alexandra was correct to consider the three men "irredeemably immoral"), not a fact. There are other parts of this article that I think might need cleaning up for non-factual statements, but this was the only one I found that I was really sure about. Mia229 ( talk) 02:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Whoever wrote the section in Engagement has taken large sections from Robert Massie's book, "Nicholas and Alexandra", without putting them in quotation or citing the source. I know this because I have read the Massie book so frequently I have it almost memorized. Here is an example:
"Alexander III and his wife Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark), both vigorously anti-German, had no intention of permitting a match with the tsarevich. Although Princess Alix was his godchild, it was generally known that Alexander III was angling for a bigger catch for his son, someone like Princess Hélène, the tall dark-haired daughter of Philippe, comte de Paris, pretender to the throne of France.[5] The prospect of marrying Hélène did not appeal to Nicholas. He wrote in his diary, "Mama made a few allusions to Hélène, daughter of the Comte de Paris. I myself want to go in one direction and it is evident that Mama wants me to choose the other one."[6] Fortunately for Nicholas, Hélène also resisted. She was Roman Catholic and her father refused to allow her to become Russian Orthodox. After appealing to the Pope, who refused to consider the marriage, the relationship ended. The tsar, despite his anti-German sentiments, then sent emissaries to Princess Margaret of Prussia, daughter of German Emperor Frederick III and sister of German Emperor Wilhelm II, and, who was, like Alix, a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. Nicholas flatly declared that he would rather become a monk than marry the plain and boring Margaret. Margaret stated in any case that she was unwilling to give up her Protestant religion to become Russian Orthodox.
As long as he was well, Alexander III ignored his son's demands. He only relented as his health began to fail in 1894.[7] Alix was troubled by the requirement that she renounce her Lutheran faith and become Orthodox, but she was persuaded and eventually became a fervent convert. Alexander III and Marie Feodorovna were not the only ones opposed to the match: Queen Victoria was also opposed to the match, writing to Alix's sister Victoria of her suspicions (which were correct) that Sergei and Elizabeth were encouraging the match.[8] The Queen's opposition stemmed not from personal feelings about the Tsarevich, whom she personally liked, but her misgivings about Russia, including past political experiences, her personal dislike of Nicholas's father, and fears over her granddaughter's safety." Sdsures ( talk) 21:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Some parts of this article seem to be copied-pasted from the original sources, for example this:
Tuesday, 16 July 1918 passed normally for the former imperial family. At four o'clock in the afternoon, Nicholas and his daughters took their usual walk in the small garden. Early in the evening Yurovsky sent away the fifteen-year-old kitchen boy Leonid Sedinev, saying that his uncle wished to see him. At 7 p.m., Yurovsky summoned all the Cheka men into his room and ordered them to collect all the revolvers from the outside guards. With twelve heavy military revolvers lying before him on the table he said, "Tonight, we shoot the entire family, everybody." Upstairs Nicholas and Alexandra passed the evening playing bezique; at ten thirty, they went to bed. [1]
or
In 1918, they were subsequently moved to Bolshevik controlled Yekaterinburg. Nicholas, Alexandra and their daughter Maria arrived at the Ipatiev House on 30 April 1918. On entering their new prison, they were ordered to open all their luggage. Alexandra immediately objected. Nicholas tried to come to her defence saying, "So far we have had polite treatment and men who were gentlemen but now -" [2] The former Tsar was quickly cut off. The guards informed him he was no longer at Tsarskoe Selo and that refusal to comply with their request would result in his removal from the rest of his family; a second offence would be rewarded with hard labour. Fearing for her husband's safety, Alexandra quickly gave in and allowed the search. On the window frame of what was to be her last bedroom in the Ipatiev House, Alexandra scrawled a swastika, her favourite good luck symbol, and pencilled the date 17/30 April 1918. [2] In May, the rest of the family arrived in Yekaterinburg. They had not been able to travel earlier due to the illness of Alexei. Alexandra was pleased to be reunited with her family once more.
Seventy-five men did guard duty at the Ipatiev House. Many of the men were factory workers from the local Zlokazovsky Factory and the Verkh-Isetsk Factory. The commandant of the Ipatiev House, Alexander Avadeyev was described as "a real Bolshevik". The majority of witnesses recall him as coarse, brutish and a heavy drinker. If a request for a favour on behalf of the family reached Avadeyev, he always gave the same response, "Let them go to hell!!" The guards in the house often heard him refer to the deposed tsar as "Nicholas the Blood-Drinker" and to Alexandra as "The German Bitch". [3]
-- AMPERIO ( talk) 11:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
References
Is it really appropriate to refer to refer to Alexandra as her "Christian name"? She was already Christian before she became Orthodox.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Is there a reason why we changed the photo in the infobox? I personally believe the old one captured her appearance much better than the current one and I see no vote or consensus on the change. It seems like it was just changed on a whim and nobody said anything about it. UNSC Luke 1021 ( talk) 01:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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I personally believe that there are not enough photographs on this Wikipedia article Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse). I will try to add more. I have already changed the first photograph on this article. Could someone please help me? If so, thank you. Tsarina Alexandra Hesse ( talk) 17:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I’m new to the Wikipedia community, so apologies in advance for any errors.
Two of the sources in the Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) have been debunked by historians as inaccurate/false.
The first being “Martha Mouchanow, My Empress: Twenty-Three Years of Intimate Life with the Empress of all the Russias from her Marriage to the Day of her Exile”. Martha Mouchanow is an alias, and their identity has never been discovered. Regardless, nearly all of their ‘memoirs’ can be proven to be inaccurate/false by looking at the letters and diaries of the Romanov family.
The second being, Carolly Erickson’s book “Alexandra: The Last Tsarina”. Erickson relied heavily on Mouchanow as a source for her book, so her book is of course mostly inaccurate as a result.
I’m not sure how to go about fixing this, so any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Louvima ( talk) 14:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)