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I reverted some edits that added some information about Alexander Ludwig’s parents. They were great additions. Unfortunately, they fail several Wikipedia policies. Because the wikiarticle Alexander Ludwig is a biography of a living person, it must satisfy all of the following policies and guidelines: WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS.
There was no citation provided that indicated the mother’s maiden name, an addition which would certainly add depth to the wikiarticle. Unfortunately, without a verifiable and reliable citation, it cannot be added. That means that we cannot use it for his mother’s maiden name.
The citation regarding Harald Ludwig does not indicate that he is the same Harald Ludwig that is the father of the wikiarticle’s subject, Alexander Ludwig. Thus the statement and the accompanying citation fail each of WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS. Also, in a small Google search, I could find no source that connected the Harald Ludwig that is a principal of Macluan and Lions Gate Entertainment and our wikiarticle’s suject, Alexander Ludwig. This is unfortunate because having a father who sits on the board of directors and is co-chairman of a large enterprise within the entertainment industry would certainly be an important piece of info on an article about an actor. — Spike Toronto 22:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Let me break this down:
Internet Movie Database (IMDB)
If you take a look at WP:RSN, the place at Wikipedia where one queries the reliablity of sources, you would discover a dichotomy where IMDB is concerned. If you look through the archives at RSN, you will note that the consensus seems to be that while IMDB is acceptable for the purposes of an actor/actress/director/producer/etc.’s filmography, it is not acceptable for biography. Thus, Wikipedia articles cannot use IMDB’s biographical information as a verifiable reference/ citation.
The Rest: Synthesis & Original Research
When you read WP:SYN and WP:OR — Wikipedia’s policies/guidelines on synthesis and original research, respectively — you will understand why the rest of your comment cannot be applied to this article. While I would probably draw the same inferences from the same data that you have regarding everything you have said (and yes, I have seen the same Collingwood brochures and lists), we are not allowed to draw inferences in writing wikiarticles because doing so violates WP:SYN amd WP:OR.
By the way, why don’t you at least use the Collingwood reference to add a comment to the article about the school he goes to and any added information their sources may provide such as sports, drama, clubs, etc.
The Photo [3]
I think that the points and the conclusions you draw from the photo are also correct, and may not run afoul of WP:SYN and WP:OR. However, I am just not sure how one can go about using a photograph as a reliable source at Wikipedia. Perhaps you should enquire at WP:RSN.
By the way, can you find a photo of Alex and his dad at the Beach House Restaurant? One that clearly implies it belongs to the family?! — Spike Toronto 06:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Ten years later, any issues confirming who his parents are can be resolved by this source. [4] Morbidthoughts ( talk) 04:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that added information regarding the Beach House Restaurant in West Vancouver. While this would be an interesting addition, Wikipedia policies require a verifiable, reliable source. A private source, to which only the wikieditor adding the information is privy, does not satisfy WP:V. Moreover, because this is a biography of a living person, statements must — in addition to WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:CITE — also satisfy WP:BLPCITE and WP:BLP. The statement about the restaurant, unaccompanied by a verifiable reference/ citation, does not satisfy these policies. Finally, ownership of businesses and properties are matters of public records. Thus, private records do not have to be relied on in the first place, especially as they would not satisfy the policies mentioned earlier. — Spike Toronto 22:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Kollision. The problem with the source provided is that while it does indeed show that a Harald Ludwig owns the Beach House Restaurant, and other sources tell us that Alexander Ludwig’s father’s name is Harald Ludwig, the source regarding the restaurant does not tell us that the two Haralds are one in the same. What we need is a source that tells us that the Harald Ludwig that owns the resto is the Harald Ludwig that is Alexander Ludwig’s father. For instance, if you could find an interview with Alexander in which he mentions his family’s restaurant, by name, then you could re-add your sentence and provide the two citations, the one that says that Harald Ludwig owns the resto, and the other wherein Alexander says his father owns the same named, restaurant. That is not synthesis and would not violate WP:SYN. But, using two unconnected refs — one in which we learn that Alex has a dad named Harald, and another that says a Harald Ludwig owns the resto — in such a way can be construed as both synthesis and original research, violating both WP:SYN and WP:OR.
Alternatively, if you could find a single article from a reliable source that says that this is the family restaurant of Alexander Ludwig, then bingo! you could put the statement in to the article citing that source.
I am sorry that Wikipedia seems so bureaucratic and rule-bound, especially as relates to biographies of living persons (BLPs), but these rules and guidelines are what makes Wikipedia an encyclopedia and not a tabloid. Readers need to know that everything written in a wikiarticle, and especially BLPs, is supported by verifiable references/ citations. Thanks! — Spike Toronto 06:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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I would like to add a bit more information. Instead of just "In 2012, he played Cato in The Hunger Games." I would like to add in "the male tribute from District Two" So it would look like this if my edit was successful "In 2012, he played Cato, the male tribute from District Two, in The Hunger Games." X-Random Girl123-X ( talk) 07:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Ludwig is German Canadian, the parents of his father are both German, his father was born in Germany. Please include! -- 91.66.13.220 ( talk) 01:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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The infobox photo of Ludwig must be at least 12 yeas old, based on his extremely youthful appearance. I have never uploaded a photo to Wikipedia. Is there another editor with more experience who can help me submit a more recent photo? Writethisway ( talk) 18:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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I removed [6] from EL, since IMO there's nothing there worth preserving here, and was reverted on that [7]. That it's been there 8 years is not enough reason to keep it. Editors with an opinion, please share. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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I reverted some edits that added some information about Alexander Ludwig’s parents. They were great additions. Unfortunately, they fail several Wikipedia policies. Because the wikiarticle Alexander Ludwig is a biography of a living person, it must satisfy all of the following policies and guidelines: WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS.
There was no citation provided that indicated the mother’s maiden name, an addition which would certainly add depth to the wikiarticle. Unfortunately, without a verifiable and reliable citation, it cannot be added. That means that we cannot use it for his mother’s maiden name.
The citation regarding Harald Ludwig does not indicate that he is the same Harald Ludwig that is the father of the wikiarticle’s subject, Alexander Ludwig. Thus the statement and the accompanying citation fail each of WP:BLPCITE, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS. Also, in a small Google search, I could find no source that connected the Harald Ludwig that is a principal of Macluan and Lions Gate Entertainment and our wikiarticle’s suject, Alexander Ludwig. This is unfortunate because having a father who sits on the board of directors and is co-chairman of a large enterprise within the entertainment industry would certainly be an important piece of info on an article about an actor. — Spike Toronto 22:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Let me break this down:
Internet Movie Database (IMDB)
If you take a look at WP:RSN, the place at Wikipedia where one queries the reliablity of sources, you would discover a dichotomy where IMDB is concerned. If you look through the archives at RSN, you will note that the consensus seems to be that while IMDB is acceptable for the purposes of an actor/actress/director/producer/etc.’s filmography, it is not acceptable for biography. Thus, Wikipedia articles cannot use IMDB’s biographical information as a verifiable reference/ citation.
The Rest: Synthesis & Original Research
When you read WP:SYN and WP:OR — Wikipedia’s policies/guidelines on synthesis and original research, respectively — you will understand why the rest of your comment cannot be applied to this article. While I would probably draw the same inferences from the same data that you have regarding everything you have said (and yes, I have seen the same Collingwood brochures and lists), we are not allowed to draw inferences in writing wikiarticles because doing so violates WP:SYN amd WP:OR.
By the way, why don’t you at least use the Collingwood reference to add a comment to the article about the school he goes to and any added information their sources may provide such as sports, drama, clubs, etc.
The Photo [3]
I think that the points and the conclusions you draw from the photo are also correct, and may not run afoul of WP:SYN and WP:OR. However, I am just not sure how one can go about using a photograph as a reliable source at Wikipedia. Perhaps you should enquire at WP:RSN.
By the way, can you find a photo of Alex and his dad at the Beach House Restaurant? One that clearly implies it belongs to the family?! — Spike Toronto 06:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Ten years later, any issues confirming who his parents are can be resolved by this source. [4] Morbidthoughts ( talk) 04:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that added information regarding the Beach House Restaurant in West Vancouver. While this would be an interesting addition, Wikipedia policies require a verifiable, reliable source. A private source, to which only the wikieditor adding the information is privy, does not satisfy WP:V. Moreover, because this is a biography of a living person, statements must — in addition to WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:CITE — also satisfy WP:BLPCITE and WP:BLP. The statement about the restaurant, unaccompanied by a verifiable reference/ citation, does not satisfy these policies. Finally, ownership of businesses and properties are matters of public records. Thus, private records do not have to be relied on in the first place, especially as they would not satisfy the policies mentioned earlier. — Spike Toronto 22:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Kollision. The problem with the source provided is that while it does indeed show that a Harald Ludwig owns the Beach House Restaurant, and other sources tell us that Alexander Ludwig’s father’s name is Harald Ludwig, the source regarding the restaurant does not tell us that the two Haralds are one in the same. What we need is a source that tells us that the Harald Ludwig that owns the resto is the Harald Ludwig that is Alexander Ludwig’s father. For instance, if you could find an interview with Alexander in which he mentions his family’s restaurant, by name, then you could re-add your sentence and provide the two citations, the one that says that Harald Ludwig owns the resto, and the other wherein Alexander says his father owns the same named, restaurant. That is not synthesis and would not violate WP:SYN. But, using two unconnected refs — one in which we learn that Alex has a dad named Harald, and another that says a Harald Ludwig owns the resto — in such a way can be construed as both synthesis and original research, violating both WP:SYN and WP:OR.
Alternatively, if you could find a single article from a reliable source that says that this is the family restaurant of Alexander Ludwig, then bingo! you could put the statement in to the article citing that source.
I am sorry that Wikipedia seems so bureaucratic and rule-bound, especially as relates to biographies of living persons (BLPs), but these rules and guidelines are what makes Wikipedia an encyclopedia and not a tabloid. Readers need to know that everything written in a wikiarticle, and especially BLPs, is supported by verifiable references/ citations. Thanks! — Spike Toronto 06:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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I would like to add a bit more information. Instead of just "In 2012, he played Cato in The Hunger Games." I would like to add in "the male tribute from District Two" So it would look like this if my edit was successful "In 2012, he played Cato, the male tribute from District Two, in The Hunger Games." X-Random Girl123-X ( talk) 07:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Ludwig is German Canadian, the parents of his father are both German, his father was born in Germany. Please include! -- 91.66.13.220 ( talk) 01:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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The infobox photo of Ludwig must be at least 12 yeas old, based on his extremely youthful appearance. I have never uploaded a photo to Wikipedia. Is there another editor with more experience who can help me submit a more recent photo? Writethisway ( talk) 18:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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I removed [6] from EL, since IMO there's nothing there worth preserving here, and was reverted on that [7]. That it's been there 8 years is not enough reason to keep it. Editors with an opinion, please share. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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