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Double brace template reflist does not work on this article. The footnotes are there, in the actual source code, but the referencese are not, and nothing I do makes it better. -- Ace Telephone 03:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Agriprocessors is back on line, but not as I wish it written. I still have the refs located in email. The fact that non-other contributors seem to be in charge will bring further trouble. This could have been so fun, or so mutual, but it seems, the Lubavitchers doing pizza on 1st St. NE in Waukon, Iowa (just up from the fire station) want to be outed (I just live up the street, guys, and drive the big, well-treated old Oldsmobile), and also remember doing the bus up 13th Ave and the transfer up to Eastern Parkway.
Hey! Lubavititcher of Allamakee County, Iowa! Talk to me!-- MarkTwainOnIce 05:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I've stuffed the last week's worth of papers in a place that lets me quote them. The CRG is liberal and fair. The local story goes that, basically, Agripocessors is involved in illegal immmigration, to the point that they help illegals be illegal. This article has a history, including a deletion, apparently on grounds of being anti-semetic, but got restored. -- Ace Telephone ( talk) 04:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The POV on this article is starting to shift; the company and its owners (the Rubashkin family) are suddenly being painted as less "shady" than they actually are - witness every single periodical (save their hypocritical Orthodox defenders) which has covered the numerous scandals involving this company. I'd suggest this page be more closely moderated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giddeyap ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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An article in the Jewish Daily Forward by Nathaniel Popper July 11, 2008
[1] highlights tactics used by the PR firm that represents Agriprocessors.
Dean Armond 14:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
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This just in: Sholom Rubashkin, Agriprocessors CEO (former CEO?) has been arrested. -- John Nagle ( talk) 05:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
More breaking news: a bank is preparing to foreclose on Agriprocessors. "Bank says meatpacking plant defaulted on $35M loan". "(Agriprocessors) have repeatedly made misrepresentations to First Bank by providing inaccurate and misleading Notices of Borrowing and other documents that misstated the value of the Collateral," -- John Nagle ( talk) 06:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
More: Iowa meatpacker fined nearly $10M for violations of state labor laws. "Once again, Agriprocessors has demonstrated a complete disregard for Iowa law" - Iowa State Labor Commissioner Dave Neil -- John Nagle ( talk) 16:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I came across this while editing another article: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gg5LO0Z7DFhrY5WsZDEiFhp-ydTwD93JRR5G0. Note there's a correction: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ieu-qJfEP2MAu8N8ftzA_O01xNggD93MFTHG0. Don't know if this of use to this article. Flowanda | Talk 00:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Did some formatting cleanup. Please, when adding citations, use the citation templates. Just using the URL doesn't work when references are in two-column format, because Wikipedia's two-column CSS doesn't use tables, and long URLs end up as text on top of the second column. -- John Nagle ( talk) 18:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm local, and in fact as MarkTwainonIce and AceTelephone wrote it. This article once got deleted because of the Rubashkin family conspiracy. Yes, Agriprocessors does 65% of kosher kill in the United States. We locally expect some Jewish company to take over the now-bankrupt corporation, but with all the illegal immigrants deported. Chabad is snooty; I suspect the good rabbis that passed on the meat will move back to Brooklyn, and leave it to other more sane rabbis to pass on the kosherness of the meat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.242.143 ( talk) 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
hello everybody. i did some editing, after having come by the article quite by chance, because i think it's an interesting “case”, involving several questions concerning ″jewishness″ in theory and practice. as User:Nagle points out, “Agriprocessors, as an entity, is defunct”. but i'm not sure he is right in stating that “The plant was sold as an asset sale, rather than as a functioning business. So Agri Star is not the successor company”. one of the questions i did not find any answer to is: what became of the rest of the rubashkin enterprises? i saw a note somewhere, that the plant in Gordon, Nebraska was to be sold separately, but i didn't find anything about it. and what became of the distribution centers in Brooklyn and Miami? and i don't think that it is correct to say, that only the Postville plant was bought by Hershey Friedman. he must have bought more than just the plant, otherwise he could not sell the products under their old names such as “Aaron’s Best, Shor Habor, Supreme Kosher”, but i may be wrong. the reason why i did not put the whole article in the past tense though is simply because the company is still very much talked about, and probably will be until all the rubashkin legacy has disapeared, which, as it seems, is not any time soon. so imo, the present tense makes more sense. but if it is treated as a has-been, the article needs more changes than those made by Nagel here. any suggestions? ajnem ( talk) 10:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the company site, it appears the company intended the P to be capped. Should we move the article to that name, with a redirect from this one?- Sinneed 18:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
http://www.csgkc.com/ is a branding company website. It is not an Agriprocessors web site.- Sinneed 17:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
The old agriprocessors.com redirected to www.rubashkin.com. Both went blank in 2006, it appears from review of the archive. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://rubashkin.com - Sinneed 18:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
hello, Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America by Stephen G. Bloom has been “advertised” in the article for a long time; I can't see, why anyone would object to having books and films mentioned. ajnem ( talk) 14:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
"widely", "and is mostly focused on the Jewish element" - both of these would need sources that specifically said them, rather than interpretations of the editor(s). I am dubious of the bit I left in about the since-the-raid bit... but *all* the sources in the article were since then, unless I missed some.- Sinneed 20:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
"Agriprocessors and its CEO Sholom Rubashkin faced accusations of mistreatment of cattle, a series of alleged violations of labor law, pollution, and bank fraud charges." a. This is unsourced, b. Please explain why this belongs in the lead. -- KerAvelt ( talk) 19:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, "In June 2010, Sholom Rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years in prison on federal financial fraud charges" does not belong in the article, let alone the lead. (It is improper and very unusual, see Enron for instance, has no talk of the CEO's sentence.)-- KerAvelt ( talk) 19:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Here are Reliable Secondary Sources that clearly state that not only did Sholom's Attorneys say that he was not CEO, but the US Attorneys office AGREED, and acknowledged so. AP The Gazette The Gazette (if the other link links to a different article). "Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Teig said Monday he didn't know why or how the government started using the chief operating officer title." -- KerAvelt ( talk) 23:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
A "Chief Operating Officer" (as per the Assistant U.S. Attorney's statement, referenced above) is generally referred to as a COO. CEO refers to a "Chief Executive Officer". Different positions. Gulbenk ( talk) 20:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
As is typical in bankruptcy cases, there's a bankruptcy trustee trying to find any assets Agriprocessors hid, recover any fraudulent or preferential payments, and pay off the creditors. [10]. Regarding some payees, "“We’re suing them because we know they got money and we can’t figure out why." Regarding preferential payments, "United Mehadrin Kosher of Minneapolis, which provided kosher certification services, was asked to repay $2.8 million." Regarding employee claims: "“There are some very worthy priority claims. ... They included workers who were owed money, and claims for doctor bills for employees and their families that weren’t paid. Agriprocessors’ health plan was self-funded." Nothing big yet, but as the 130 civil lawsuits unwind, more info may become available. -- John Nagle ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Agriprocessors' manager Hosam Amara, who fled to Israel to avoid arrest, has been arrested in Israel and the US is trying to get him extradited. [11] He was the manager responsible for fake immigration paperwork. [12] Zeev Levi, another Agriprocessors manager, also fled to Israel and is wanted. -- John Nagle ( talk) 04:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
It seems the Agriprocessors § Criminal charges and trials section should either just be a link to or selectively transclude the Postville Raid § Indictments and convictions which is more complete and well-maintained. Any objections? —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 07:05, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Done —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 08:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Definition of CITATION 1: an official summons to appear (as before a court)
Controversies Agriprocessors plant, backsideThe Agriprocessors plants have often been controversial because of frequent citations for illegal practices such as animal abuse, food safety violations,[6] violations of environmental laws, child labor laws, and the recruitment of illegal immigrants and inducing them to work in often dangerous conditions at illegal wages.
When and where were which people summoned to appear before a court for animal abuse? I believe there were no citations on this count. Certainly no convictions.
As the article is about living people, it is necessary to be careful to avoid erroneous allegations. RPSM ( talk) 15:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Please delete "ultra." It is a meaningless and inaccurate description of observant Jews. For comparison, in articles about NOW National Organization of Women do you ever see them referred to as Ultra liberal or ultra feminists? Instead, just describe them as religious Jews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.41.236 ( talk) 04:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC) 2600:1011:B01B:AF8B:1578:F507:F066:3FAF ( talk) 19:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
There are many events and the article is currently lengthy and unclear. We should probably create a table of significant events with dates on top for more clear reading. Caseeart ( talk) 07:52, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Double brace template reflist does not work on this article. The footnotes are there, in the actual source code, but the referencese are not, and nothing I do makes it better. -- Ace Telephone 03:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Agriprocessors is back on line, but not as I wish it written. I still have the refs located in email. The fact that non-other contributors seem to be in charge will bring further trouble. This could have been so fun, or so mutual, but it seems, the Lubavitchers doing pizza on 1st St. NE in Waukon, Iowa (just up from the fire station) want to be outed (I just live up the street, guys, and drive the big, well-treated old Oldsmobile), and also remember doing the bus up 13th Ave and the transfer up to Eastern Parkway.
Hey! Lubavititcher of Allamakee County, Iowa! Talk to me!-- MarkTwainOnIce 05:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I've stuffed the last week's worth of papers in a place that lets me quote them. The CRG is liberal and fair. The local story goes that, basically, Agripocessors is involved in illegal immmigration, to the point that they help illegals be illegal. This article has a history, including a deletion, apparently on grounds of being anti-semetic, but got restored. -- Ace Telephone ( talk) 04:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The POV on this article is starting to shift; the company and its owners (the Rubashkin family) are suddenly being painted as less "shady" than they actually are - witness every single periodical (save their hypocritical Orthodox defenders) which has covered the numerous scandals involving this company. I'd suggest this page be more closely moderated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giddeyap ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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An article in the Jewish Daily Forward by Nathaniel Popper July 11, 2008
[1] highlights tactics used by the PR firm that represents Agriprocessors.
Dean Armond 14:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
67.101.48.228 why did you remove this section without any discussion or explanation? This is the only edit you have ever made on Wikipedia, so let me welcome to you to the community. I will assume that you are not aware that it is usual to use the discussion page before removing sections from an article. It can considered rude to simply remove a contribution by another editor. Please do not do so in future.
Dean Armond 20:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
This just in: Sholom Rubashkin, Agriprocessors CEO (former CEO?) has been arrested. -- John Nagle ( talk) 05:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
More breaking news: a bank is preparing to foreclose on Agriprocessors. "Bank says meatpacking plant defaulted on $35M loan". "(Agriprocessors) have repeatedly made misrepresentations to First Bank by providing inaccurate and misleading Notices of Borrowing and other documents that misstated the value of the Collateral," -- John Nagle ( talk) 06:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
More: Iowa meatpacker fined nearly $10M for violations of state labor laws. "Once again, Agriprocessors has demonstrated a complete disregard for Iowa law" - Iowa State Labor Commissioner Dave Neil -- John Nagle ( talk) 16:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I came across this while editing another article: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gg5LO0Z7DFhrY5WsZDEiFhp-ydTwD93JRR5G0. Note there's a correction: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ieu-qJfEP2MAu8N8ftzA_O01xNggD93MFTHG0. Don't know if this of use to this article. Flowanda | Talk 00:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Did some formatting cleanup. Please, when adding citations, use the citation templates. Just using the URL doesn't work when references are in two-column format, because Wikipedia's two-column CSS doesn't use tables, and long URLs end up as text on top of the second column. -- John Nagle ( talk) 18:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm local, and in fact as MarkTwainonIce and AceTelephone wrote it. This article once got deleted because of the Rubashkin family conspiracy. Yes, Agriprocessors does 65% of kosher kill in the United States. We locally expect some Jewish company to take over the now-bankrupt corporation, but with all the illegal immigrants deported. Chabad is snooty; I suspect the good rabbis that passed on the meat will move back to Brooklyn, and leave it to other more sane rabbis to pass on the kosherness of the meat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.242.143 ( talk) 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
hello everybody. i did some editing, after having come by the article quite by chance, because i think it's an interesting “case”, involving several questions concerning ″jewishness″ in theory and practice. as User:Nagle points out, “Agriprocessors, as an entity, is defunct”. but i'm not sure he is right in stating that “The plant was sold as an asset sale, rather than as a functioning business. So Agri Star is not the successor company”. one of the questions i did not find any answer to is: what became of the rest of the rubashkin enterprises? i saw a note somewhere, that the plant in Gordon, Nebraska was to be sold separately, but i didn't find anything about it. and what became of the distribution centers in Brooklyn and Miami? and i don't think that it is correct to say, that only the Postville plant was bought by Hershey Friedman. he must have bought more than just the plant, otherwise he could not sell the products under their old names such as “Aaron’s Best, Shor Habor, Supreme Kosher”, but i may be wrong. the reason why i did not put the whole article in the past tense though is simply because the company is still very much talked about, and probably will be until all the rubashkin legacy has disapeared, which, as it seems, is not any time soon. so imo, the present tense makes more sense. but if it is treated as a has-been, the article needs more changes than those made by Nagel here. any suggestions? ajnem ( talk) 10:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the company site, it appears the company intended the P to be capped. Should we move the article to that name, with a redirect from this one?- Sinneed 18:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
http://www.csgkc.com/ is a branding company website. It is not an Agriprocessors web site.- Sinneed 17:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
The old agriprocessors.com redirected to www.rubashkin.com. Both went blank in 2006, it appears from review of the archive. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://rubashkin.com - Sinneed 18:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
hello, Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America by Stephen G. Bloom has been “advertised” in the article for a long time; I can't see, why anyone would object to having books and films mentioned. ajnem ( talk) 14:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
"widely", "and is mostly focused on the Jewish element" - both of these would need sources that specifically said them, rather than interpretations of the editor(s). I am dubious of the bit I left in about the since-the-raid bit... but *all* the sources in the article were since then, unless I missed some.- Sinneed 20:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
"Agriprocessors and its CEO Sholom Rubashkin faced accusations of mistreatment of cattle, a series of alleged violations of labor law, pollution, and bank fraud charges." a. This is unsourced, b. Please explain why this belongs in the lead. -- KerAvelt ( talk) 19:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, "In June 2010, Sholom Rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years in prison on federal financial fraud charges" does not belong in the article, let alone the lead. (It is improper and very unusual, see Enron for instance, has no talk of the CEO's sentence.)-- KerAvelt ( talk) 19:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Here are Reliable Secondary Sources that clearly state that not only did Sholom's Attorneys say that he was not CEO, but the US Attorneys office AGREED, and acknowledged so. AP The Gazette The Gazette (if the other link links to a different article). "Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Teig said Monday he didn't know why or how the government started using the chief operating officer title." -- KerAvelt ( talk) 23:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
A "Chief Operating Officer" (as per the Assistant U.S. Attorney's statement, referenced above) is generally referred to as a COO. CEO refers to a "Chief Executive Officer". Different positions. Gulbenk ( talk) 20:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
As is typical in bankruptcy cases, there's a bankruptcy trustee trying to find any assets Agriprocessors hid, recover any fraudulent or preferential payments, and pay off the creditors. [10]. Regarding some payees, "“We’re suing them because we know they got money and we can’t figure out why." Regarding preferential payments, "United Mehadrin Kosher of Minneapolis, which provided kosher certification services, was asked to repay $2.8 million." Regarding employee claims: "“There are some very worthy priority claims. ... They included workers who were owed money, and claims for doctor bills for employees and their families that weren’t paid. Agriprocessors’ health plan was self-funded." Nothing big yet, but as the 130 civil lawsuits unwind, more info may become available. -- John Nagle ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Agriprocessors' manager Hosam Amara, who fled to Israel to avoid arrest, has been arrested in Israel and the US is trying to get him extradited. [11] He was the manager responsible for fake immigration paperwork. [12] Zeev Levi, another Agriprocessors manager, also fled to Israel and is wanted. -- John Nagle ( talk) 04:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
It seems the Agriprocessors § Criminal charges and trials section should either just be a link to or selectively transclude the Postville Raid § Indictments and convictions which is more complete and well-maintained. Any objections? —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 07:05, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Done —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 08:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Definition of CITATION 1: an official summons to appear (as before a court)
Controversies Agriprocessors plant, backsideThe Agriprocessors plants have often been controversial because of frequent citations for illegal practices such as animal abuse, food safety violations,[6] violations of environmental laws, child labor laws, and the recruitment of illegal immigrants and inducing them to work in often dangerous conditions at illegal wages.
When and where were which people summoned to appear before a court for animal abuse? I believe there were no citations on this count. Certainly no convictions.
As the article is about living people, it is necessary to be careful to avoid erroneous allegations. RPSM ( talk) 15:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Please delete "ultra." It is a meaningless and inaccurate description of observant Jews. For comparison, in articles about NOW National Organization of Women do you ever see them referred to as Ultra liberal or ultra feminists? Instead, just describe them as religious Jews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.41.236 ( talk) 04:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC) 2600:1011:B01B:AF8B:1578:F507:F066:3FAF ( talk) 19:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
There are many events and the article is currently lengthy and unclear. We should probably create a table of significant events with dates on top for more clear reading. Caseeart ( talk) 07:52, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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