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Yes I've struck again. And it's looking better than ever. Hopefully even FA-style better.-- Paaerduag 14:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand the significance of this sentence, but if it has relevance to the game, I don't want to change it. "And Then There Were None is set in 1939, between World War I and World War II," Obviously 1939 is after World War I, so why it is necessary to mention this? If it's significant that it is set before the declaration of World War II, could it be said that way? eg "And Then There Were None is set in 1939, prior to the outbreak of World War II". Rossrs 14:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
It's just that I got the impression, during my research, that the designers were trying to make the characters fit into a post-world war psyche, as well as the pre-world war II psyche. That's just my take, but if you think it's incorrect I don't mind if it's changed.-- Paaerduag 10:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed the Agatha Christie articles to a 'High' rating as I believe that, considering that Christie has only sold less books than Shakespeare and the Bible, that games based on her works are of incredible importance and aren't obscure. Given the source material of these games, I do believe that a 'High' rating is justified. Thoughts? Paaerduag 01:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm requesting an additional look at this article for one reason: the references list supported by Paaerduag includes a link to Gameguru Mania, a site which Google has flagged as containing malware. In order to protect Wikipedia users, I removed the link, and after Paaerduag reverted that change, I scrounged up another reference to replace the offending link. Paaerduag was still not satisfied, claiming that a "diversity of links" was necessary (the article has a few references to Gamespot articles, and my reference was to that site as well). So, I'm asking for a few more eyeballs to look at this issue since I believe that the community will agree with me that my changes do not harm the article while protecting the Wikipedia community. Thanks much. -- Dachannien Talk Contrib 12:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Good! I am glad this is going to discussion, as I think it should, regardless of whether the outcome is in favor of the ggmania or gamespot link. I do believe that there are enough references to gamespot in the article, and that another one is not needed. I have not received ANY MESSAGE from google saying that gameguru mania is a "dangerous site" in anyway, as you seem to think. The key ideas here, in my opinion, are this:
That's my take on the situation. But, as I'll say again, I believe that User:Dachannien has acted in the best interests of everyone in bringing this to discussion, and I totally support his actions in this regard. -- Paaerduag 01:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The site seems to be safe enough at present, and unless other unforseen circumstances arise in the future I don't see what the problem is.-- Paaerduag 07:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
What's the source for the release dates? When I added the Wii release date from mobygames, I noticed they also had several others. Their NA release date is October 30th. while the article says October 30th. Moby also claims the game was released before February 2006 in both Spain and Germany. Any reason for this discrepancy? Davhorn ( talk) 13:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 09:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Same as Sliding puzzle? Шизомби ( talk) 03:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I just turn on wikipedia today, after about a year of inactivity, and what do I find, but the feature article I wrote on the MAIN PAGE!!!!! I am in a state of disbelief - imagine the surprise I felt!!!!!!! This is incredible. That's two FAs that I've had on the main page now :). -- Paaerduag ( talk) 07:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I like that the featured article of the day is often some random thing I've never heard of. But it's always something of interest for more than reference purposes and to more than a tiny group of readers (i.e., NOT like the average page, say New South Wales Fire Brigades or something, that you get by hitting "random article"; useful reference info, but no one on earth would browse it for edification). So WTF is THIS??? Some adventure game, like 1000s of other such games; if it had been recognized as an original, innovative watershed in game development, then sure, but according to the article, it wasn't even well received. Did the game developer make some big donation to the wikimedia foundation? I can think of no other justification for putting this on the front page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 13:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I will pass over that "reply" in silence. Anybody have an actual answer? 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 14:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this subject seems an odd choice for a featured article due to it's lack of notability. Yes, it follows the guidelines but is it really 'the best that Wikipedia has to offer'? I really can't imagine many people would be interested in reading this article over the as yet un-featured articles about the author and the book on which this game is based. Randomguy879 ( talk) 16:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
My reply is perfectly valid. The title of that section of the front page says "Today's featured article", not "Today's featured article ranged after readers' opinions of subjective importance". In other words, the articles chosen to be on the front page are picked from the pool of featured articles. The articles about the author and the book have not been on the front page simply because they're not FAs. Davhorn ( talk) 17:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Pf, where were you when the FA was a Simpsons Episode? Relax and enjoy the non-conformism of wikipedia. -- AaThinker ( talk) 18:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Gesundheit. Me, I'm pretty relaxed, though less than usual, since nothing relaxes me more than starting my day with an interesting Wikipedia "today's featured article", and "interesting" was not on the menu today. And I'll tell you why I care about this. The front page serves as the public face of Wikipedia. There are still detractors out there who claim it's all trivial garbage. I try to defend it to people, but it's hard when there's stuff like this on the front page---however well-written and "featurable" it might be. (As to the Simpson's episode, I'd agree, but one difference is that the audience for that is larger by several orders of magnitude, so casual droppers-by will at least recognize it as something of potential interest.) 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 21:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this article is definitely FA material. I mean, as we all know, random blogs satisfy WP:RS, so why not just source over half the article with them (GameSpot is an okay supplementary source, but there is absolutely zero real world print sources for this). Who decided it was a good idea to include an entire paragraph on justifying a "journal system" with such difficult to understand rationales (if not for WP's sourced insight) as "helps player remember where to go" and "player is in a detective game and therefore might have to write something down". It's like someone said "hey, here's an interview with a guy that wrote a budget IP title for Windows three years ago, let's base an entire article around it". Just because certain material exists out there doesn't mean it's worthy of inclusion or weight. Imagine if Deus Ex's article was filled with two paragraphs about the commlink system or seagulls, or Knights of the Old Republic included a subsection devoted to showing mathematical best-case solving algorithms for the Tower of Hanoi. There's an argument to be made for including obscure things on the front page just to show that good pages can be written about anything, too bad this isn't actually a very good page. 97.114.69.58 ( talk) 23:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I think that the article should be moved to something like "Agatha Christie: And Then There Were None (video game)", seeing how the title could be VERY easily confused with And Then There Were None, the actual novel by Agatha Christie. When I first saw this was featured article yesterday, at first glance I thought that the article was for the book. What does everyone else think? Scootey ( talk) 07:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Coming here from WP:VG as part of an effort to audit video game FA's that have not been through a formal review process since 2008. I find this article below the current standards for FA's.
I'm going to leave it at that for now, but I think there's lots of work to be done and I may have to send this to FAR. Pinging major contributors @ Paaerduag and @ Wuzh, and notifying the project. CR4ZE ( t • c) 11:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Finally seeing some attention for its FA status. I tried to improve it a long time ago, but I gave up when I messed up some formatting and diverted my attention to other subjects. Wuzh ( talk) 02:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I might look at fixing this up, but the references make my eyes bleed. Any opposition to converting the refs to list-defined? czar ♔ 16:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I think we need to cite the game itself to give it some reliable sources. It is just impossible to find any online. Wuzh ( talk) 08:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yes I've struck again. And it's looking better than ever. Hopefully even FA-style better.-- Paaerduag 14:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand the significance of this sentence, but if it has relevance to the game, I don't want to change it. "And Then There Were None is set in 1939, between World War I and World War II," Obviously 1939 is after World War I, so why it is necessary to mention this? If it's significant that it is set before the declaration of World War II, could it be said that way? eg "And Then There Were None is set in 1939, prior to the outbreak of World War II". Rossrs 14:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
It's just that I got the impression, during my research, that the designers were trying to make the characters fit into a post-world war psyche, as well as the pre-world war II psyche. That's just my take, but if you think it's incorrect I don't mind if it's changed.-- Paaerduag 10:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed the Agatha Christie articles to a 'High' rating as I believe that, considering that Christie has only sold less books than Shakespeare and the Bible, that games based on her works are of incredible importance and aren't obscure. Given the source material of these games, I do believe that a 'High' rating is justified. Thoughts? Paaerduag 01:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm requesting an additional look at this article for one reason: the references list supported by Paaerduag includes a link to Gameguru Mania, a site which Google has flagged as containing malware. In order to protect Wikipedia users, I removed the link, and after Paaerduag reverted that change, I scrounged up another reference to replace the offending link. Paaerduag was still not satisfied, claiming that a "diversity of links" was necessary (the article has a few references to Gamespot articles, and my reference was to that site as well). So, I'm asking for a few more eyeballs to look at this issue since I believe that the community will agree with me that my changes do not harm the article while protecting the Wikipedia community. Thanks much. -- Dachannien Talk Contrib 12:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Good! I am glad this is going to discussion, as I think it should, regardless of whether the outcome is in favor of the ggmania or gamespot link. I do believe that there are enough references to gamespot in the article, and that another one is not needed. I have not received ANY MESSAGE from google saying that gameguru mania is a "dangerous site" in anyway, as you seem to think. The key ideas here, in my opinion, are this:
That's my take on the situation. But, as I'll say again, I believe that User:Dachannien has acted in the best interests of everyone in bringing this to discussion, and I totally support his actions in this regard. -- Paaerduag 01:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The site seems to be safe enough at present, and unless other unforseen circumstances arise in the future I don't see what the problem is.-- Paaerduag 07:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
What's the source for the release dates? When I added the Wii release date from mobygames, I noticed they also had several others. Their NA release date is October 30th. while the article says October 30th. Moby also claims the game was released before February 2006 in both Spain and Germany. Any reason for this discrepancy? Davhorn ( talk) 13:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 09:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Same as Sliding puzzle? Шизомби ( talk) 03:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I just turn on wikipedia today, after about a year of inactivity, and what do I find, but the feature article I wrote on the MAIN PAGE!!!!! I am in a state of disbelief - imagine the surprise I felt!!!!!!! This is incredible. That's two FAs that I've had on the main page now :). -- Paaerduag ( talk) 07:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I like that the featured article of the day is often some random thing I've never heard of. But it's always something of interest for more than reference purposes and to more than a tiny group of readers (i.e., NOT like the average page, say New South Wales Fire Brigades or something, that you get by hitting "random article"; useful reference info, but no one on earth would browse it for edification). So WTF is THIS??? Some adventure game, like 1000s of other such games; if it had been recognized as an original, innovative watershed in game development, then sure, but according to the article, it wasn't even well received. Did the game developer make some big donation to the wikimedia foundation? I can think of no other justification for putting this on the front page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 13:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I will pass over that "reply" in silence. Anybody have an actual answer? 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 14:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this subject seems an odd choice for a featured article due to it's lack of notability. Yes, it follows the guidelines but is it really 'the best that Wikipedia has to offer'? I really can't imagine many people would be interested in reading this article over the as yet un-featured articles about the author and the book on which this game is based. Randomguy879 ( talk) 16:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
My reply is perfectly valid. The title of that section of the front page says "Today's featured article", not "Today's featured article ranged after readers' opinions of subjective importance". In other words, the articles chosen to be on the front page are picked from the pool of featured articles. The articles about the author and the book have not been on the front page simply because they're not FAs. Davhorn ( talk) 17:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Pf, where were you when the FA was a Simpsons Episode? Relax and enjoy the non-conformism of wikipedia. -- AaThinker ( talk) 18:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Gesundheit. Me, I'm pretty relaxed, though less than usual, since nothing relaxes me more than starting my day with an interesting Wikipedia "today's featured article", and "interesting" was not on the menu today. And I'll tell you why I care about this. The front page serves as the public face of Wikipedia. There are still detractors out there who claim it's all trivial garbage. I try to defend it to people, but it's hard when there's stuff like this on the front page---however well-written and "featurable" it might be. (As to the Simpson's episode, I'd agree, but one difference is that the audience for that is larger by several orders of magnitude, so casual droppers-by will at least recognize it as something of potential interest.) 69.253.236.38 ( talk) 21:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this article is definitely FA material. I mean, as we all know, random blogs satisfy WP:RS, so why not just source over half the article with them (GameSpot is an okay supplementary source, but there is absolutely zero real world print sources for this). Who decided it was a good idea to include an entire paragraph on justifying a "journal system" with such difficult to understand rationales (if not for WP's sourced insight) as "helps player remember where to go" and "player is in a detective game and therefore might have to write something down". It's like someone said "hey, here's an interview with a guy that wrote a budget IP title for Windows three years ago, let's base an entire article around it". Just because certain material exists out there doesn't mean it's worthy of inclusion or weight. Imagine if Deus Ex's article was filled with two paragraphs about the commlink system or seagulls, or Knights of the Old Republic included a subsection devoted to showing mathematical best-case solving algorithms for the Tower of Hanoi. There's an argument to be made for including obscure things on the front page just to show that good pages can be written about anything, too bad this isn't actually a very good page. 97.114.69.58 ( talk) 23:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I think that the article should be moved to something like "Agatha Christie: And Then There Were None (video game)", seeing how the title could be VERY easily confused with And Then There Were None, the actual novel by Agatha Christie. When I first saw this was featured article yesterday, at first glance I thought that the article was for the book. What does everyone else think? Scootey ( talk) 07:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Coming here from WP:VG as part of an effort to audit video game FA's that have not been through a formal review process since 2008. I find this article below the current standards for FA's.
I'm going to leave it at that for now, but I think there's lots of work to be done and I may have to send this to FAR. Pinging major contributors @ Paaerduag and @ Wuzh, and notifying the project. CR4ZE ( t • c) 11:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Finally seeing some attention for its FA status. I tried to improve it a long time ago, but I gave up when I messed up some formatting and diverted my attention to other subjects. Wuzh ( talk) 02:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I might look at fixing this up, but the references make my eyes bleed. Any opposition to converting the refs to list-defined? czar ♔ 16:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I think we need to cite the game itself to give it some reliable sources. It is just impossible to find any online. Wuzh ( talk) 08:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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