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Shouldn't this article be moved to Table mushroom? Supermarkets almost always label them as "table mushrooms". — Stevey7788 ( talk) 20:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Portobello mushrooms are actually considerably larger than the common small white mushrooms you see in supermarkets. The Portobellos I've seen are generally 4" to 6" and brownish in colour. They also are much more flavorful than the standard "button" mushrooms you seem to be referring to... Kris Wood 08:37, 1 August 2005
Hmmm that's odd, the link I clicked for discuss was on the Portobello mushroom article, and was referring the merging of that article with button mushroom. While it may be a subspecies, it does have distinct differences and that's what I was referring to above, just didn't want anyone wondering why I was rambling about portobellos in the button discussion. :) Kris Wood 08:42, 1 August 2005
Sounds good to me, perhaps something like the german version of this article. It seems to discuss the different varieties of button mushrooms with images to further illustrate the differences. Kris Wood 15:12, 2 August 2005
just heard from mycologist Paul Stamets that a lot of the worlds experts think that button (and portobello) mushrooms are highly carcinogenic while being digested. This would be big news to me, but i'm no expert so i thought i'd bring it up in the discussions first before posting it on the real page.
Would be good to see a reference for this. It is a pretty big claim to put on the page without some backup cheers, Cas Liber 22:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
i'm sure he says carcinogenic (i fixed the spelling :) in this interview: http://www.dhlovelife.com/video/Vlog_24_FunGuy.mov with paul at 6:30 he says: "button mushrooms are thought, by many experts, to be highly carcinogenic when they are digested, which can cause tumors and abnormal cell-divisions. it's a unique chemical that is in button mushrooms and portobellos. they are very much analogous to smoking a cigarette, except the 'accarotene's (?) cause tumors all over your body as opposed to just in your lungs.
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Ultimately it is tricky to convert in vitro evidence to real life but it is worth a mention. Just a question over how to phrase it....... Cas Liber 04:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How about something like ? :
I found the following references supporting evidence of cancer-causing chemicals in the button (and portobello) mushroom. I researched this online after hearing about two mushroom growers who both developed lung cancer at about the same time, as well as another person who grew mushrooms who also developed cancer. One assumes they also ate a lot of the mushrooms. I first wondered if cancer-causing chemicals, gasses, etc., in "farming" mushrooms may be the cause and was surprised that it was ingestion of the mushrooms themselves that has caused cancer in clinical trials. http://www.wikigenes.org/e/mesh/e/1175.html http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/46/8/4007.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2132000 [Quantities of agaritine in mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) and the carcinogenicity of mushroom methanol extracts on the mouse bladder epithelium] http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=371&page=240 —Preceding unsigned comment added by LesWeller ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Button Mushrooms as all Mushrooms of the Genus Agaricus have been found to contain levels of Agaritine which will metabolize into Hydrazine, a well known Carcinogen. [ [3]][ [4]]
or should it be placed in Agaricus then ? I'm just worried that nobody will see it there. most people actually eat button-mushrooms.
When I was a kid we always called A. bisporus the Cultivated mushroom. It is also the recommended common name on the British Mycological Society site here:
thus I feel the page should be moved there as Button mushroom and Portobello mushroom are names for two different stages of growth they are sold at. Cas Liber 12:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
OK - I'm pulling the plug on this move and proposing a move to the scientific name instead Cas Liber 21:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Button mushroom → Agaricus bisporus — Button mushroom is the name of an immature stage and theoretically can be applied to any immature mushroom. In shops, Button mushroom, Portobello and Crimini (all mutually exclusive) all apply to this species. It otherwise has no universally accepted common name. Cas Liber 22:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Assuming this move passes, should button mushroom, portobello mushroom, &c. have their own sub-articles (at least for culinary reasons) or is this content forking? — AjaxSmack 00:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
In spite of the fact that its an agricultural crop, I think its best titled under its scientific name, Agaricus bisporus, since it really doesn't have a clearly established, unambiguous common name. (Note that there has been some debate in the past as to whether Agaricus brunnescens was the name that took priority – in theory it does, if it really refers to the same mushroom. The type specimen of A. brunnescens is in a poor state of preservation, hence, it hasn't been widely accepted that the name demonstrably refers to the same mushroom, so A. bisporus is by far the most commonly used name.) Peter G Werner 08:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The statement "Mushroom hunting can be a satisfying hobby" is unsourced, biased, and seems unnecessary. I do not deny the possibility that mushroom hunting could be a satisfying hobby, but in order to maintain encyclopaedic tone the fact should be demonstrated through facts (or at least sourced assertions).
More to come later. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 07:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that someone should throw some information on this page about button mushrooms as a source of vitamin D when zapped with UV. Just google vitamin D and mushrooms and you will find articles about it.
Here is just one news article talking about it, maybe someone can find an actual academic source for this information.
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"These mushrooms can contain high amounts of Vitamin D,[17] especially when UV-irradiated.[18][19]" What does "These" mean in the beginning of the sentence? If you are talking about Shiitake and Miyatake mushrooms then the names should be spelled out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.89.240 ( talk) 20:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Can someone clean up the reference portion... I would but i don't know how. Thanks! Jatlas
Recently a large amount of material was inserted to promote the use of mushrooms to prevent cancer. This sort of treatment is unproven, and should not be promoted uncritically on Wikipedia. As per WP:MEDRS, we should be relying on secondary sources such as medical reviews, not primary sources such as individual studies or press releases. A recent review for this sort of material is here:
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link)and I suggest that reviews like this be used to source any discussion of mushrooms for cancer prevention. Eubulides ( talk) 22:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I fully agree this mushroom is not a cure for any type of cancer, or can prevent any type of cancer. I am simply posting interesting scientific data. If anyone has a problem with how I am presenting the data please let me know and I will be happy to listen and work on a way to fix the problem. Jatlas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatlas ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
It says:
"Recently it was noticed that mushrooms contain high amounts of Vitamin D[17] (especially when UV-irradiated[18][19]) This is notable due to the fact no other vegetable is currently known to contain vitamin D naturally. A mushroom company in California offers A. bisporus previously exposed to UV light with 100% RDA of vitamin D per 3 ounces.[1]"
Mushrooms are a fungus, not a vegetable.
Pooka and Fygar ( talk) 12:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Botanically/biologically speaking, it is fungi, but it may be classified as a vegetable legally and commercially. See vegetable for the various possible definitions. 66.11.179.30 ( talk) 06:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I've never heard of the ominous "Mushroom Council" before, but if they're notable enough that anyone cares whether they use 'portabella' or 'portobello'... then why don't they have an article yet? Are they some sort of official body that governs the use of mushrooms? Should we bother to name the exact spellings used by any random mushroom-related organization? 8.18.38.105 ( talk) 16:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Considering it is mainly cultivated for human consumption, shouldn't there be a section describing the flavor, texture, etc of both the young and the mature mushroom, as well as its most common uses in food? As the article currently stands, it is fine for people looking for botanical information about it, but there is quite little about the culinary aspect (which may be the most popular interest people may have in the article). — al-Shimoni ( talk) 09:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering what the 'Chestnut Mushroom' commonly seen in super markets (resembling a brown button mushroom) is, so I did a little research and after finding no mention of it on Wikipedia I found the name 'Agaricus bisporus var. Avellaneus'. I'm not sure yet if 'var. Avellaneus' is a mycologically recognised name or just a marketing name for cultivation sales, but does anyone else think it's worth mentioning the Chestnut Mushroom as it seems to be everywhere these days. I may do a little more research later Gul e ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
A couple of weeks ago, I made a contribution in this section regarding conjugated linoleic acid and its dietary potential. I was in fact researching CLA, which provided a direct reference to this species as notable (in fact many mushrooms, especially wild edible mushrooms contain these types of isomers). It seemed appropriate to add the tidbit and link the two wiki pages. All available info on a subject, right? It has since been summarily removed on the grounds that the contribution was speculative and un-sourced by a User named Zefr, whom, as far as I can tell isn't associated with working on this page.
It's true that I didn't cite any refs here on this page, but rather linked directly to the page about CLA, which has a plethora or refs and discussed the dietary aspect of both at length. It was my thought that anyone who had further interest in that side-topic would happily link there. I'm kinda new at wiki-editing but don't see direct links to already established and accepted pages as being any less valid than on-page citations. Am I wrong? Does anyone here have a problem with what I contributed or the format I chose to use? Please let me know; that way I can either put it back up or avoid making a similar mistake in the future.
Thanks, JohnathanEAndrews ( talk) 05:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
"native to grasslands in Europe and North America" - it can't be native to two different continents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmo999 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
This mushroom is the one that is a pizza component but there aren't said anywhere something like "used in gastronomy as pizza ingredient".
I believe a press release from the Endocrine Society is sufficiently authoritative to support a statement of some sort, though I am certainly *not* suggesting the proposed statement resemble that attention-grabbing headline in any way. [1] MarshallKe ( talk) 22:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
References
It's a study in mice, likely ~2 decades from successfully completing drug development, if everything goes well (about 90% do not). We use WP:MEDRS reviews to support medical content. Read WP:WHYMEDRS. Zefr ( talk) 00:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
It is explained in the article that small white mushrooms develop into large, flat, brown portabello mushrooms.
But where do large, flat, white mushrooms come from? These are sold as a separate variety here in Australia.
Marchino61 ( talk) 09:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this article be moved to Table mushroom? Supermarkets almost always label them as "table mushrooms". — Stevey7788 ( talk) 20:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Portobello mushrooms are actually considerably larger than the common small white mushrooms you see in supermarkets. The Portobellos I've seen are generally 4" to 6" and brownish in colour. They also are much more flavorful than the standard "button" mushrooms you seem to be referring to... Kris Wood 08:37, 1 August 2005
Hmmm that's odd, the link I clicked for discuss was on the Portobello mushroom article, and was referring the merging of that article with button mushroom. While it may be a subspecies, it does have distinct differences and that's what I was referring to above, just didn't want anyone wondering why I was rambling about portobellos in the button discussion. :) Kris Wood 08:42, 1 August 2005
Sounds good to me, perhaps something like the german version of this article. It seems to discuss the different varieties of button mushrooms with images to further illustrate the differences. Kris Wood 15:12, 2 August 2005
just heard from mycologist Paul Stamets that a lot of the worlds experts think that button (and portobello) mushrooms are highly carcinogenic while being digested. This would be big news to me, but i'm no expert so i thought i'd bring it up in the discussions first before posting it on the real page.
Would be good to see a reference for this. It is a pretty big claim to put on the page without some backup cheers, Cas Liber 22:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
i'm sure he says carcinogenic (i fixed the spelling :) in this interview: http://www.dhlovelife.com/video/Vlog_24_FunGuy.mov with paul at 6:30 he says: "button mushrooms are thought, by many experts, to be highly carcinogenic when they are digested, which can cause tumors and abnormal cell-divisions. it's a unique chemical that is in button mushrooms and portobellos. they are very much analogous to smoking a cigarette, except the 'accarotene's (?) cause tumors all over your body as opposed to just in your lungs.
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Ultimately it is tricky to convert in vitro evidence to real life but it is worth a mention. Just a question over how to phrase it....... Cas Liber 04:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How about something like ? :
I found the following references supporting evidence of cancer-causing chemicals in the button (and portobello) mushroom. I researched this online after hearing about two mushroom growers who both developed lung cancer at about the same time, as well as another person who grew mushrooms who also developed cancer. One assumes they also ate a lot of the mushrooms. I first wondered if cancer-causing chemicals, gasses, etc., in "farming" mushrooms may be the cause and was surprised that it was ingestion of the mushrooms themselves that has caused cancer in clinical trials. http://www.wikigenes.org/e/mesh/e/1175.html http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/46/8/4007.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2132000 [Quantities of agaritine in mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) and the carcinogenicity of mushroom methanol extracts on the mouse bladder epithelium] http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=371&page=240 —Preceding unsigned comment added by LesWeller ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Button Mushrooms as all Mushrooms of the Genus Agaricus have been found to contain levels of Agaritine which will metabolize into Hydrazine, a well known Carcinogen. [ [3]][ [4]]
or should it be placed in Agaricus then ? I'm just worried that nobody will see it there. most people actually eat button-mushrooms.
When I was a kid we always called A. bisporus the Cultivated mushroom. It is also the recommended common name on the British Mycological Society site here:
thus I feel the page should be moved there as Button mushroom and Portobello mushroom are names for two different stages of growth they are sold at. Cas Liber 12:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
OK - I'm pulling the plug on this move and proposing a move to the scientific name instead Cas Liber 21:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Button mushroom → Agaricus bisporus — Button mushroom is the name of an immature stage and theoretically can be applied to any immature mushroom. In shops, Button mushroom, Portobello and Crimini (all mutually exclusive) all apply to this species. It otherwise has no universally accepted common name. Cas Liber 22:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Assuming this move passes, should button mushroom, portobello mushroom, &c. have their own sub-articles (at least for culinary reasons) or is this content forking? — AjaxSmack 00:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
In spite of the fact that its an agricultural crop, I think its best titled under its scientific name, Agaricus bisporus, since it really doesn't have a clearly established, unambiguous common name. (Note that there has been some debate in the past as to whether Agaricus brunnescens was the name that took priority – in theory it does, if it really refers to the same mushroom. The type specimen of A. brunnescens is in a poor state of preservation, hence, it hasn't been widely accepted that the name demonstrably refers to the same mushroom, so A. bisporus is by far the most commonly used name.) Peter G Werner 08:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The statement "Mushroom hunting can be a satisfying hobby" is unsourced, biased, and seems unnecessary. I do not deny the possibility that mushroom hunting could be a satisfying hobby, but in order to maintain encyclopaedic tone the fact should be demonstrated through facts (or at least sourced assertions).
More to come later. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 07:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that someone should throw some information on this page about button mushrooms as a source of vitamin D when zapped with UV. Just google vitamin D and mushrooms and you will find articles about it.
Here is just one news article talking about it, maybe someone can find an actual academic source for this information.
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"These mushrooms can contain high amounts of Vitamin D,[17] especially when UV-irradiated.[18][19]" What does "These" mean in the beginning of the sentence? If you are talking about Shiitake and Miyatake mushrooms then the names should be spelled out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.89.240 ( talk) 20:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Can someone clean up the reference portion... I would but i don't know how. Thanks! Jatlas
Recently a large amount of material was inserted to promote the use of mushrooms to prevent cancer. This sort of treatment is unproven, and should not be promoted uncritically on Wikipedia. As per WP:MEDRS, we should be relying on secondary sources such as medical reviews, not primary sources such as individual studies or press releases. A recent review for this sort of material is here:
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)and I suggest that reviews like this be used to source any discussion of mushrooms for cancer prevention. Eubulides ( talk) 22:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I fully agree this mushroom is not a cure for any type of cancer, or can prevent any type of cancer. I am simply posting interesting scientific data. If anyone has a problem with how I am presenting the data please let me know and I will be happy to listen and work on a way to fix the problem. Jatlas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatlas ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
It says:
"Recently it was noticed that mushrooms contain high amounts of Vitamin D[17] (especially when UV-irradiated[18][19]) This is notable due to the fact no other vegetable is currently known to contain vitamin D naturally. A mushroom company in California offers A. bisporus previously exposed to UV light with 100% RDA of vitamin D per 3 ounces.[1]"
Mushrooms are a fungus, not a vegetable.
Pooka and Fygar ( talk) 12:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Botanically/biologically speaking, it is fungi, but it may be classified as a vegetable legally and commercially. See vegetable for the various possible definitions. 66.11.179.30 ( talk) 06:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I've never heard of the ominous "Mushroom Council" before, but if they're notable enough that anyone cares whether they use 'portabella' or 'portobello'... then why don't they have an article yet? Are they some sort of official body that governs the use of mushrooms? Should we bother to name the exact spellings used by any random mushroom-related organization? 8.18.38.105 ( talk) 16:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Considering it is mainly cultivated for human consumption, shouldn't there be a section describing the flavor, texture, etc of both the young and the mature mushroom, as well as its most common uses in food? As the article currently stands, it is fine for people looking for botanical information about it, but there is quite little about the culinary aspect (which may be the most popular interest people may have in the article). — al-Shimoni ( talk) 09:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering what the 'Chestnut Mushroom' commonly seen in super markets (resembling a brown button mushroom) is, so I did a little research and after finding no mention of it on Wikipedia I found the name 'Agaricus bisporus var. Avellaneus'. I'm not sure yet if 'var. Avellaneus' is a mycologically recognised name or just a marketing name for cultivation sales, but does anyone else think it's worth mentioning the Chestnut Mushroom as it seems to be everywhere these days. I may do a little more research later Gul e ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
A couple of weeks ago, I made a contribution in this section regarding conjugated linoleic acid and its dietary potential. I was in fact researching CLA, which provided a direct reference to this species as notable (in fact many mushrooms, especially wild edible mushrooms contain these types of isomers). It seemed appropriate to add the tidbit and link the two wiki pages. All available info on a subject, right? It has since been summarily removed on the grounds that the contribution was speculative and un-sourced by a User named Zefr, whom, as far as I can tell isn't associated with working on this page.
It's true that I didn't cite any refs here on this page, but rather linked directly to the page about CLA, which has a plethora or refs and discussed the dietary aspect of both at length. It was my thought that anyone who had further interest in that side-topic would happily link there. I'm kinda new at wiki-editing but don't see direct links to already established and accepted pages as being any less valid than on-page citations. Am I wrong? Does anyone here have a problem with what I contributed or the format I chose to use? Please let me know; that way I can either put it back up or avoid making a similar mistake in the future.
Thanks, JohnathanEAndrews ( talk) 05:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
"native to grasslands in Europe and North America" - it can't be native to two different continents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmo999 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
This mushroom is the one that is a pizza component but there aren't said anywhere something like "used in gastronomy as pizza ingredient".
I believe a press release from the Endocrine Society is sufficiently authoritative to support a statement of some sort, though I am certainly *not* suggesting the proposed statement resemble that attention-grabbing headline in any way. [1] MarshallKe ( talk) 22:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
References
It's a study in mice, likely ~2 decades from successfully completing drug development, if everything goes well (about 90% do not). We use WP:MEDRS reviews to support medical content. Read WP:WHYMEDRS. Zefr ( talk) 00:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
It is explained in the article that small white mushrooms develop into large, flat, brown portabello mushrooms.
But where do large, flat, white mushrooms come from? These are sold as a separate variety here in Australia.
Marchino61 ( talk) 09:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)