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we should include what affect this civil war had on minoritys? Parsi101 ( talk) 10:42, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This is just basically copy and pasted from afghan civil war right? why was there not any discussion Parsi101 ( talk) 09:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Seriously? How is this wording encyclopedic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.181.212.214 ( talk) 18:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Do our sources indicate that there has been a single War in Afghanistan going on for almost 40 years? A few hundred years from now, they may be lumped together, as with Punic Wars or Persian Wars, but right now it seems absurd to claim that the Soviet war in Afghanistan and the current one are, in fact, different phases of the same war. It certainly doesn't fit with current parlance. -- BDD ( talk) 18:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved ( non-admin closure). This article will call the war "War in Afghanistan" not "Afghan Civil War". There was very little participation in this RM, so no prejudice against making a new one Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 12:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) →
Afghan Civil War – The title calls this the "War in Afghanistan" but rest of the article calls it the "Afghan Civil War", so should the article (including the title) call it the "War in Afghanistan" or "Afghan Civil War"?
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The Saudi and US spent many billions in support of the Afghanistan mujahideen, shouldn't that merit a subsection? -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 19:34, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
What reliable sources actually say this period is an independent subject that last until the present?
I have at least two that say that war ending in 1992 (
Cold War Museum,
Encyclopedia Britanica,
American University,
Georgetown University Press), and another source that says it ended in 1989 (
"Understanding War in Afghanistan").--
RightCowLeftCoast (
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04:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@ BDD: As asked in 2012, how is this all one war? What reliable sources verify that it is a single war? If it can be shown by reliable sources it is not, or as appears to be the case that there are no reliable sources that treat it as a single conflict, perhaps this article's scope can/should be changed.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) →
Afghan War (1978–1992) – Have been unable to find reliable sources that verify that there has been a single war ongoing since 1978 until today. As discussed elsewhere there are at least four reliable sources that verify that the war that began in 1978 ended in 1992 (
Cold War Museum,
Encyclopedia Britanica,
American University,
Georgetown University Press), and one reliable source that verifies that it ended in 1989
"Understanding War in Afghanistan"). Therefore weight should be given to the definition more often used by reliable sources.
RightCowLeftCoast (
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02:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Comment All of this wiki periodization is a mess anyway. Who decided that Wikipedia needs the Afghan civil war divided in three articles? Iponey ( talk) 15:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Afghanistan has been plagued by war for 30 years. The conflicts that have occurred during this time have involved major world powers, Afghanistan’s neighbors, and various Afghan factions.
To better understand how Afghans have experienced and understand the conflict, eight nongovernmental organizations operating in Afghanistan conducted research in 14 provinces across the country.
Since 1979, its bitter conflicts have topped the list of threats to international peace and security that have actively engaged UN member states.
Strong oppose. I'm with EkoGraf and Raoulduke47 on this one. This request has no fundamentals. Coltsfan ( talk) 14:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Not true. The Syrian Civil War has 4 separate sides, yet it is a single war. Same goes for the Second Libyan Civil War. Also, the Yemeni insurgencies have multiple sides, not to mention most of the current wars in the Middle East right now, and yet they are still one continuous conflict(s) in their own respective theaters. A war does not need two clearly distinct sides to be considered "a war", heck, many wars and insurgencies have more then two sides. There just needs to be opposing sides using armed force, and a continous (unbroken) period of conflict (in the case of extended conflicts, spillovers of the same conflict ) for a such an event to be considered to be "a war." And in this case, that is what we have, as indicated by multiple sources. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 09:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Afghan Civil War redirect here. Shouldn't be better to restrict the scope of this article just to period between the soviet retreat and the american invasion? Moagim ( talk) 20:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok seriously, what the hell is that last paragraph. Kyeo77 ( talk) 21:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The civil war ended in 2001-2. Since then there is only an insurgency, there is no civil war anymore. Iraq, Thailand, Colombia all have insurgencies like Afghanistan, not a civil war. This should be split into Afghan Civil War 1979-2001, and Insurgency 162.213.136.97 ( talk) 16:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I would strongly argue "yes". - Adam37 Talk 17:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Its not a war - its an insurgency. For it to be a war, there has to be an army that holds territory like in Syria. An insurgency is not a civil war. Palestine is not in a civil war. 162.213.136.97 ( talk) 16:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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I think the date headline should be 1979-1989 since this whole article is basically about the Afghan-Soviet war. Claiming this is still ongoing or any way related to the War on terror today is incorrect, just my opinion. Akmal94 ( talk) 16:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 19:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → Afghan conflict – It's a simple yet effective name that broadly refers to the whole 'conflict' in Afghanistan since 1978. The current name may also be confusing when we have the current War in Afghanistan (2001-present) article. Wq639 ( talk) 14:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I comment here to note that CapLiber unilaterally moved the page to Afghan crisis (1978–present) without any explanation. Seeing how the move was conducted just 43 minutes after this move discussion was closed with no support for a move, I have reverted the article to its original location. If a move to the proposed "Afghan crisis (1978–present)" title is to proceed, it should follow the procedure for controversial moves: this is, to open a new move request and have a discussion on it to seek consensus for such a move. Impru20 talk 20:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to " Afghanistan conflict (1978–present)" as proposed. ( closed by non-admin page mover) B dash ( talk) 09:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → ? – I think the titles 'Afghan conflict (1978-present)' or 'Afghan crisis (1978-present)' would be better suited than the current title. The term 'conflict' or 'crisis' is better for this wider spectrum of different conflicts that have taken place since '78. It puts it into line with other article titles like:
Using the same method, we could have e.g. Afghan crisis (1978-present) with War in Afghanistan (2001-present) as one part of this wider series of conflicts.
Also I should mention that this article is also named too similar to War in Afghanistan (2001-present). It's not a confusion issue (as said by someone in a previous move request above) - but instead it's to do with accessibility: When searching for 'Afghanistan War' in Google you see the 2001-present article there, not this 1978-present article, partly because the 2001-present article is a lot bigger and known. This 1978-present article needs good distinguishing as a result, which would also greatly help people searching for this article in particular on Google or other search engines instead of the current 2001-present war. I am personally mostly in favor of changing the name to Afghan crisis (1978-present), but anything else similar I would prefer over the current title. Drayqueen ( talk) 00:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Drayqueen:, would you support the version proposed by Rreagan007? Safrolic ( talk) 23:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. No support for this proposal. Number 5 7 15:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Crisis in Afghanistan – I think the term Crisis would be best suited instead of Conflict when you look at it form a broader spectrum. Also reduces any leftover confusions. This term is already used in eg Ukrainian crisis, Crisis in Venezuela, Libyan crisis. (alternatively some may prefer Afghan crisis but I think Crisis in Afghanistan is best suited). Weaveravel ( talk) 13:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, early closing per WP:SNOW. No such user ( talk) 13:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – See Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–present)#Requested move 15 August 2021. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
This article needs a major rewrite, specifically about the 2001-2021 phase. The section is too particular, talking about bomb blasts in Kabul and such. It should have a broader focus and should include the end of the war. A new section about the Panjshir fighting, however long that war will be, should be added as well. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CDEB:8B09:CB62:FF14 ( talk) 15:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
The Taliban and the Panjshir resistance have signed a ceasefire with one another, so I think it is safe to say that all continuous conflict in Afghanistan has ended at the very moment, and the war is over. Justrz ( talk) 14:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Just read this, from the Afghan Analysis Network. Reliable sources will hopefully be forthcoming: Afghan Victims of War Crimes Want Investigation: Hundreds of thousands apply to ICC Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Why are there two pictures of the same image where President Karzai poses with the US troops? Aeazer ( talk) 07:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is an overwhelming consensus that it is too soon to tell whether the conflict is over or not. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 ( talk) 10:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – Termination of conflict SAMBLAman ( talk) 09:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Should we add the 2021 Afghan protests under the Panjshir conflict in the top part of the article where they list the various conflict? I think we should because the 2021 Afghan protests are considered part of the Panjshir conflict and the Taliban has used their military, the Islamic Army of Afghanistan, against protesters and making it more military-ish. PatriotMapperCDP ( talk) 20:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
With the collapse of the resistance in that region, and the Taliban victory, we can finally call the whole conflict. Whatever comes next, if anything, is not part of this long conflict. It will be, if it is to be at all, something new. Frankly, that the warring parties who started it are not the same as the ones who ended it, with some of the states who started it no longer even existing, and at least one changing sides to occupy the occupier slot, shows it ought to have been called and split long ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.246.108 ( talk) 14:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Simplexity22 ( talk) 18:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Conflict in Afghanistan (1978–present) – Because this is a series of conflicts that are not necessarily interconnected. The current name makes it sound like it's the Afghanistan conflict, but it's more than just that. 'Conflict in Afghanistan' is more neutral. It's also the (right) format used for Internal conflict in Myanmar. WR 21:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 01:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR talk 07:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
The introduction itself states that "the 1973 Afghan coup d'état brought the monarch Mohammed Zahir Shah’s 39-year reign to an end and ended Afghanistan’s relatively peaceful period in modern history". So why is the article named Afghanistan conflict (1978-present) and not Afghanistan conflict (1973-present)? Seems a little arbitrary to put as the beginning of the chaos that continues until today a counter-coup (the one from 1978) rather than the actual first coup that had established a one-party autocracy (1973). Just some food for thought, would appreciate people's opinions. Dan Palraz ( talk) 11:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Afghanistan is a land of extremes. For nearly 50 years of the twentieth century, from 1929 until 1978, it appeared to be one of the most peaceful countries in Asia, although tensions were building – both internally and in its international relations – that finally erupted with dramatic force.
On 27 April 1978 President Daud was bloodily overthrown by the Afghan Communists, the innocuous-sounding People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan. The victors called it the ‘April Revolution’, the beginning of a new age which would transform their country. More than a decade later Russians were still arguing whether it had been a proper revolution or only a coup. But General Lyakhovski, the chronicler of the war that followed in which he himself served for five years, had a starker name. For him the April coup was the beginning of tragedy not only for Afghanistan, but for the Soviet Union as well.
During the period of government of Taraki-Amin, the Afghan people suffered cruel repression. [...] In all, between 50,000 and 100,000 people disappeared
However, it was finally the policy of repression undertaken by the authorities which alienated the governing class, the non-communist intelligentsia and, before long, the entire population. Going beyond anecdotal explanations and immediate causes of the uprising, if was the violence of the state rather than its reforms that lay the root of the crisis.
The government, under the sole control of Khalq—itself increasingly dominated by Hafizullah Amin—tried to carry out a revolutionary transformation of Afghan society by decree and terror.
In pursuit of a plan to eliminate opposition, Khalq used mass arrests, torture, and secret executions on a scale Afghanistan had not seen since the time of Abdul Rahman Khan, and probably not even then. Daoud and his immediate family perished in the coup.
I have always thought that same thing, I guess since there wasn't much happening between the 1973 coup and the 1978 counter-coup but there has been almost constant fighting since the 1978 counter-coup than it make more sense to use 1978 as the start date of the conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.33.191 ( talk) 22:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Dan Palraz: @ 76.124.33.191: I think you're forgetting one major thing: we're talking about a conflict here. There was a coup in 1973, but it doesn't necessarily mean an armed conflict started. And if anything, there weren't any notable armed conflicts to call the situation a conflict. For the most part, the country remained peaceful during the pre-'78 period - there were only one or two isolated incidents like the Panjshir uprising, but nothing of the sort to call it a national conflict. 1978 is the correct starting year. -- WR 00:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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we should include what affect this civil war had on minoritys? Parsi101 ( talk) 10:42, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This is just basically copy and pasted from afghan civil war right? why was there not any discussion Parsi101 ( talk) 09:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Seriously? How is this wording encyclopedic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.181.212.214 ( talk) 18:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Do our sources indicate that there has been a single War in Afghanistan going on for almost 40 years? A few hundred years from now, they may be lumped together, as with Punic Wars or Persian Wars, but right now it seems absurd to claim that the Soviet war in Afghanistan and the current one are, in fact, different phases of the same war. It certainly doesn't fit with current parlance. -- BDD ( talk) 18:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Embedded into the article is an image of Sweden's Örebro Castle, as part of a solicitation to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments USA. Yes, Örebro Slott is indeed a fine-looking castle. I have been there many times. But what is the connection between Örebro and the War in Afghanistan and monuments in the USA? Rammer ( talk) 22:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved ( non-admin closure). This article will call the war "War in Afghanistan" not "Afghan Civil War". There was very little participation in this RM, so no prejudice against making a new one Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 12:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) →
Afghan Civil War – The title calls this the "War in Afghanistan" but rest of the article calls it the "Afghan Civil War", so should the article (including the title) call it the "War in Afghanistan" or "Afghan Civil War"?
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The Saudi and US spent many billions in support of the Afghanistan mujahideen, shouldn't that merit a subsection? -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 19:34, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
What reliable sources actually say this period is an independent subject that last until the present?
I have at least two that say that war ending in 1992 (
Cold War Museum,
Encyclopedia Britanica,
American University,
Georgetown University Press), and another source that says it ended in 1989 (
"Understanding War in Afghanistan").--
RightCowLeftCoast (
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04:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@ BDD: As asked in 2012, how is this all one war? What reliable sources verify that it is a single war? If it can be shown by reliable sources it is not, or as appears to be the case that there are no reliable sources that treat it as a single conflict, perhaps this article's scope can/should be changed.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) →
Afghan War (1978–1992) – Have been unable to find reliable sources that verify that there has been a single war ongoing since 1978 until today. As discussed elsewhere there are at least four reliable sources that verify that the war that began in 1978 ended in 1992 (
Cold War Museum,
Encyclopedia Britanica,
American University,
Georgetown University Press), and one reliable source that verifies that it ended in 1989
"Understanding War in Afghanistan"). Therefore weight should be given to the definition more often used by reliable sources.
RightCowLeftCoast (
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02:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Comment All of this wiki periodization is a mess anyway. Who decided that Wikipedia needs the Afghan civil war divided in three articles? Iponey ( talk) 15:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Afghanistan has been plagued by war for 30 years. The conflicts that have occurred during this time have involved major world powers, Afghanistan’s neighbors, and various Afghan factions.
To better understand how Afghans have experienced and understand the conflict, eight nongovernmental organizations operating in Afghanistan conducted research in 14 provinces across the country.
Since 1979, its bitter conflicts have topped the list of threats to international peace and security that have actively engaged UN member states.
Strong oppose. I'm with EkoGraf and Raoulduke47 on this one. This request has no fundamentals. Coltsfan ( talk) 14:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Not true. The Syrian Civil War has 4 separate sides, yet it is a single war. Same goes for the Second Libyan Civil War. Also, the Yemeni insurgencies have multiple sides, not to mention most of the current wars in the Middle East right now, and yet they are still one continuous conflict(s) in their own respective theaters. A war does not need two clearly distinct sides to be considered "a war", heck, many wars and insurgencies have more then two sides. There just needs to be opposing sides using armed force, and a continous (unbroken) period of conflict (in the case of extended conflicts, spillovers of the same conflict ) for a such an event to be considered to be "a war." And in this case, that is what we have, as indicated by multiple sources. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 09:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Afghan Civil War redirect here. Shouldn't be better to restrict the scope of this article just to period between the soviet retreat and the american invasion? Moagim ( talk) 20:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok seriously, what the hell is that last paragraph. Kyeo77 ( talk) 21:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The civil war ended in 2001-2. Since then there is only an insurgency, there is no civil war anymore. Iraq, Thailand, Colombia all have insurgencies like Afghanistan, not a civil war. This should be split into Afghan Civil War 1979-2001, and Insurgency 162.213.136.97 ( talk) 16:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I would strongly argue "yes". - Adam37 Talk 17:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Its not a war - its an insurgency. For it to be a war, there has to be an army that holds territory like in Syria. An insurgency is not a civil war. Palestine is not in a civil war. 162.213.136.97 ( talk) 16:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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I think the date headline should be 1979-1989 since this whole article is basically about the Afghan-Soviet war. Claiming this is still ongoing or any way related to the War on terror today is incorrect, just my opinion. Akmal94 ( talk) 16:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 19:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → Afghan conflict – It's a simple yet effective name that broadly refers to the whole 'conflict' in Afghanistan since 1978. The current name may also be confusing when we have the current War in Afghanistan (2001-present) article. Wq639 ( talk) 14:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I comment here to note that CapLiber unilaterally moved the page to Afghan crisis (1978–present) without any explanation. Seeing how the move was conducted just 43 minutes after this move discussion was closed with no support for a move, I have reverted the article to its original location. If a move to the proposed "Afghan crisis (1978–present)" title is to proceed, it should follow the procedure for controversial moves: this is, to open a new move request and have a discussion on it to seek consensus for such a move. Impru20 talk 20:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to " Afghanistan conflict (1978–present)" as proposed. ( closed by non-admin page mover) B dash ( talk) 09:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → ? – I think the titles 'Afghan conflict (1978-present)' or 'Afghan crisis (1978-present)' would be better suited than the current title. The term 'conflict' or 'crisis' is better for this wider spectrum of different conflicts that have taken place since '78. It puts it into line with other article titles like:
Using the same method, we could have e.g. Afghan crisis (1978-present) with War in Afghanistan (2001-present) as one part of this wider series of conflicts.
Also I should mention that this article is also named too similar to War in Afghanistan (2001-present). It's not a confusion issue (as said by someone in a previous move request above) - but instead it's to do with accessibility: When searching for 'Afghanistan War' in Google you see the 2001-present article there, not this 1978-present article, partly because the 2001-present article is a lot bigger and known. This 1978-present article needs good distinguishing as a result, which would also greatly help people searching for this article in particular on Google or other search engines instead of the current 2001-present war. I am personally mostly in favor of changing the name to Afghan crisis (1978-present), but anything else similar I would prefer over the current title. Drayqueen ( talk) 00:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Drayqueen:, would you support the version proposed by Rreagan007? Safrolic ( talk) 23:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
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Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Crisis in Afghanistan – I think the term Crisis would be best suited instead of Conflict when you look at it form a broader spectrum. Also reduces any leftover confusions. This term is already used in eg Ukrainian crisis, Crisis in Venezuela, Libyan crisis. (alternatively some may prefer Afghan crisis but I think Crisis in Afghanistan is best suited). Weaveravel ( talk) 13:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, early closing per WP:SNOW. No such user ( talk) 13:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – See Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–present)#Requested move 15 August 2021. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
This article needs a major rewrite, specifically about the 2001-2021 phase. The section is too particular, talking about bomb blasts in Kabul and such. It should have a broader focus and should include the end of the war. A new section about the Panjshir fighting, however long that war will be, should be added as well. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CDEB:8B09:CB62:FF14 ( talk) 15:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
The Taliban and the Panjshir resistance have signed a ceasefire with one another, so I think it is safe to say that all continuous conflict in Afghanistan has ended at the very moment, and the war is over. Justrz ( talk) 14:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Just read this, from the Afghan Analysis Network. Reliable sources will hopefully be forthcoming: Afghan Victims of War Crimes Want Investigation: Hundreds of thousands apply to ICC Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Why are there two pictures of the same image where President Karzai poses with the US troops? Aeazer ( talk) 07:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is an overwhelming consensus that it is too soon to tell whether the conflict is over or not. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 ( talk) 10:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – Termination of conflict SAMBLAman ( talk) 09:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Should we add the 2021 Afghan protests under the Panjshir conflict in the top part of the article where they list the various conflict? I think we should because the 2021 Afghan protests are considered part of the Panjshir conflict and the Taliban has used their military, the Islamic Army of Afghanistan, against protesters and making it more military-ish. PatriotMapperCDP ( talk) 20:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
With the collapse of the resistance in that region, and the Taliban victory, we can finally call the whole conflict. Whatever comes next, if anything, is not part of this long conflict. It will be, if it is to be at all, something new. Frankly, that the warring parties who started it are not the same as the ones who ended it, with some of the states who started it no longer even existing, and at least one changing sides to occupy the occupier slot, shows it ought to have been called and split long ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.246.108 ( talk) 14:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Simplexity22 ( talk) 18:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Conflict in Afghanistan (1978–present) – Because this is a series of conflicts that are not necessarily interconnected. The current name makes it sound like it's the Afghanistan conflict, but it's more than just that. 'Conflict in Afghanistan' is more neutral. It's also the (right) format used for Internal conflict in Myanmar. WR 21:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 01:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR talk 07:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
The introduction itself states that "the 1973 Afghan coup d'état brought the monarch Mohammed Zahir Shah’s 39-year reign to an end and ended Afghanistan’s relatively peaceful period in modern history". So why is the article named Afghanistan conflict (1978-present) and not Afghanistan conflict (1973-present)? Seems a little arbitrary to put as the beginning of the chaos that continues until today a counter-coup (the one from 1978) rather than the actual first coup that had established a one-party autocracy (1973). Just some food for thought, would appreciate people's opinions. Dan Palraz ( talk) 11:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Afghanistan is a land of extremes. For nearly 50 years of the twentieth century, from 1929 until 1978, it appeared to be one of the most peaceful countries in Asia, although tensions were building – both internally and in its international relations – that finally erupted with dramatic force.
On 27 April 1978 President Daud was bloodily overthrown by the Afghan Communists, the innocuous-sounding People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan. The victors called it the ‘April Revolution’, the beginning of a new age which would transform their country. More than a decade later Russians were still arguing whether it had been a proper revolution or only a coup. But General Lyakhovski, the chronicler of the war that followed in which he himself served for five years, had a starker name. For him the April coup was the beginning of tragedy not only for Afghanistan, but for the Soviet Union as well.
During the period of government of Taraki-Amin, the Afghan people suffered cruel repression. [...] In all, between 50,000 and 100,000 people disappeared
However, it was finally the policy of repression undertaken by the authorities which alienated the governing class, the non-communist intelligentsia and, before long, the entire population. Going beyond anecdotal explanations and immediate causes of the uprising, if was the violence of the state rather than its reforms that lay the root of the crisis.
The government, under the sole control of Khalq—itself increasingly dominated by Hafizullah Amin—tried to carry out a revolutionary transformation of Afghan society by decree and terror.
In pursuit of a plan to eliminate opposition, Khalq used mass arrests, torture, and secret executions on a scale Afghanistan had not seen since the time of Abdul Rahman Khan, and probably not even then. Daoud and his immediate family perished in the coup.
I have always thought that same thing, I guess since there wasn't much happening between the 1973 coup and the 1978 counter-coup but there has been almost constant fighting since the 1978 counter-coup than it make more sense to use 1978 as the start date of the conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.33.191 ( talk) 22:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Dan Palraz: @ 76.124.33.191: I think you're forgetting one major thing: we're talking about a conflict here. There was a coup in 1973, but it doesn't necessarily mean an armed conflict started. And if anything, there weren't any notable armed conflicts to call the situation a conflict. For the most part, the country remained peaceful during the pre-'78 period - there were only one or two isolated incidents like the Panjshir uprising, but nothing of the sort to call it a national conflict. 1978 is the correct starting year. -- WR 00:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)