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"Aeris ventures alone into the Forgotten City for an unknown purpose. Cloud and his companions give chase, eventually finding her praying at an altar. As Aeris looks up to smile at Cloud, Sephiroth appears and kills her with a single thrust of his sword. The materia given to her by her mother, which she wore in her hair, falls from the altar into the water." - regarding this part of the text, i often find myself asking why did she go to sephiroth and why does she just sit there praying. I think there might be an answer, she sacrificed herself, maybe just maybe she could only summon holy in death. -- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 17:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's discuss the issue rather than edit back and forth. ( Guyinblack25 talk 22:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
In the interests of avoiding an edit war, time to open this up for discussion again it seems. Her official name is Aerith and has been for quite some time. Official literature from Japan has supported this even from the time of FFVII. Mislocalization resulted in Aeris, and this has been fixed in the US since around the time of Kingdom Hearts. Aerith being the official name even resulted in this page being moved to the current naming convention. Frankly, I see no reason to use two different forms of her name in the article outside of a concession at the beginning mentioning the situation, and any direct quotes. Using Aerith in part of the article and Aeris in the FFVII and FFT sections both looks bad from a style standpoint and may be confusing to readers unfamiliar with the older name. I recommend the aforementioned explanation and the use of Aeris only in the direct quotations and any article link names, and Aerith in the body of the article per WP:NCON and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style. Nezu Chiza ( talk) 22:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This is really remnant of the Terra vs. Tina argument... As it stands, Aerith is the correct spelling for a reason. That reason is that it has been used in every canonical addition to the Final Fantasy VI world... i.e., the -s spelling hasn't been used since the original FFVII and can thus be considered obsolete. Plus, it is common knowledge that the Japanese language doesn't have a sound for /θ/ ("th"); the closest approximation for that sound is their /s/ sound. It is my personal opinion that Aeris does indeed sound better, and that Aerith sounds like the original name is being lisped by a mentally challenged person, but nevertheless, the -th spelling, according to its current usage over the -s spelling, is what was originally intended by Square, and we have to respect that. Mikhajlovich ( talk) 02:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Her name is Aeris in
Final Fantasy VII, the game for which she is, by far, the most well-known. This is the only game in which she is a main character, and as such, it is the most exhaustive treatment of the subject material that currently exists. Newer sources that only mention her in brief passing are not more valid just because they are newer. To my knowledge, no statement from any official source exists claiming that the "Aeris"
localization (NB: not
translation) was a mistake, and thus any claims that it was are
original research and have no place here.
But I'm not in the mood for a revert war with you people. Enjoy feeling superior for having "educated" the populace of your "superior" knowledge of Japanese culture, otakus. ~ 24.149.43.87 ( talk) 00:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize this argument has been done to death's door and bag, but I just think I should add in my thought on the matter. As someone else mentioned the Tina/Terra argument, I thought it necessary for me to mention that everyone I know who actually played FF6 when it came out still refuses to acknowledge her name as Tina. I still don't feel comfortable with it, because it was NOT the name I grew up with when I was a teenager. In the same vein, Aeris is the name that I have heard since BEFORE the game ever came out in the US, and it is the name I am contiuing to use today. I always mentally recorrect it whenever I see it as Aerith. If I remember correctly, the entire Aeris/Aerith issue didn't even START until they decided to do something with her character again down the road and "retranslated" it. I have said before that while I admire Square for getting the MANY glaring plotholes and other problems out of the way, I don't feel comfortable with changing names. This is the Eggman/Robotnik (I prefer Robotnik) and Ultros/Orthros (again, I prefer Ultros. I believe the fans actually campaigned to KEEP his name from being changed in the GBA release of FF6. If I may take a moment and get away from Final Fantasy... look at Godzilla. Yes, his real name is Gojira (and I use both intermixedly) but hardly anyone in the US ever refers to him as that, because that wasn't the name many of us grew up with. In Godzilla's case, both names are readilly accepted. Sometimes I hear Japanese people tell me Godzilla just sounds better. For me, Aeris will and always shall be the proper spelling of her name. Much the like sequals and prequals to FF7, the name change is just another bastardization of the series. No argument people make can change that, and I'm positive I'm not alone in that thinking. Dakmordian ( talk) 11:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
This isn't really a solid contribution to the debate, of which I have no true knowledge in terms of what was "intended"... but it is interesting to note in Greek mythology Eris (homophone and near homonym to "Aeris") is the goddess of "strife". I wouldn't remark on this, except the FF developers have shown a predilection for mythology... This is an extrapolation out of nowhere and I have no intention of putting this down anywhere as fact (so don't worry), but if there is any genuine Eris/Aerith connection, I would guess either the localization theory of why it changed is true, or the developers purposefully wanted to make her name in English less obviously "Eris" = Strife. And yes, I know it was Cloud's name that was Strife and not Aerith's, but it is a remarkable coincidence (... which, in the end, may be simply what it is). 99.245.2.216 ( talk) 02:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
The original name in English should be used, this is the English wikipedia not the Japanese one, look at the Mega Drive / Genesis argument on wikipedia, Genesis is used because it was the first name used in English despite the fact the system was named Mega Drive in Japan and every other country around the world. As such we should use Aeris here with a note that her Japanese name is Aerith. 77.97.151.145 ( talk) 07:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I removed the link of Cetra to the "Races of FFXII" page as that page no longer contains any mention of Cetra. Feel free to create a blurb on that page and relink. Coradon ( talk) 00:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
When editing the article a notification replaces the normal one about the article size, saying: Aerith, not Aeris This article's name is "Aerith Gainsborough". This is not a typo. If you wish to discuss an "Aerith" → "Aeris" edit, please see the talk page. For now, all such alterations will be reverted back to "Aerith".
How and when was this made? Since when was it possible? It's the first time I've seen it in an article, but having it replace the kilobyte count...
Also, recently I've seen a bit of reverting regarding the th/s thing, and it's probably a good faith misunderstanding due to this message. Hidden text at Aerith_Gainsborough#Final_Fantasy_VII notes that Consensus has decided to keep her name as Aeris in the FFVII and FFT sections. Do not change it, please. Inline notes are harder to notice compared to the general notice for editing the article, so it should probably be added.
- Zero1328 Talk? 07:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I saw somewhere she has a birthdate listed. I think it's in the lil booklet that comes with the game. If I find it, would it be alright to put it in?-- 68.32.149.132 ( talk) 04:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the 'She is Aeris in FFT' policy, I feel it should be noted that she is named Aerith in her appearance in the much better translation of the FFT Remake War of the Lions. Whether this affects policy I'll leave to others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.9.102.199 ( talk) 17:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I was curious as to why she was listed as "Mulatto"? Shouldn't that be Cetra? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyPeridot ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Erm guys, she is half cetra half human. Her mother was a cetra and her father was a shinra professor I mean, did any of you actually play FFVII? Jun Hao Wu 02:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juwu7 ( talk • contribs)
After her death in ff7 you can still see her in a chapel/church somewhere. Shouldn't this be mentionened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.176.244.217 ( talk) 10:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't Jenova the one who killed Aeries? I mean the Sephiroth we fight in disc one is not really Sephiroth and we know this because the real one is frozen in the northern crater. We begin to see Sephiroth after Jenova scapes and every time we see him we fight Jenova. Wouldn't this mean that it is Jenova leaving behind pieces of herself and doing as Sephiroth wills?
Then why is everyone so in love with the concept that it has to be Sephiroth the one who kills her? Can't it state that Jenova is the one doing it even if Sephiroth is behind it all? Well just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.67.220 ( talk) 00:58, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I know this, but if you just say Sephiroth killed her without explaining at least something about what you just told me, people that doesn't know will belive that is Sephiroth phisically. There must be something you could say there so you made clear it is actually Jenova who is there even if it's just a puppet for Sephiroth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.67.220 ( talk) 02:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Aerith is really technically not part of AVALANCHE and she says "just a friend" when asked by Marle in the Remake. Who is? Barret, Tifa, Jesse, Biggs, Wedge, and Cloud.
You'll recall when they meet Rufus in the original game, Barret and Tifa both say they're part of AVALANCHE while Aerith says she's "a flower girl from the slums." A similar scene happens in the Remake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.33.206.242 ( talk) 16:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
It's a Japanese name, it should be ordered (at least in kana) as Geinzuburu Earisu, not Earisu Geinzuburu. And doesn't it have kanji and furigana?
5.89.210.114 ( talk) 17:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The Japanese version of Final Fantasy games never use last names first either. Tintor2 ( talk) 19:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Aeris ventures alone into the Forgotten City for an unknown purpose. Cloud and his companions give chase, eventually finding her praying at an altar. As Aeris looks up to smile at Cloud, Sephiroth appears and kills her with a single thrust of his sword. The materia given to her by her mother, which she wore in her hair, falls from the altar into the water." - regarding this part of the text, i often find myself asking why did she go to sephiroth and why does she just sit there praying. I think there might be an answer, she sacrificed herself, maybe just maybe she could only summon holy in death. -- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 17:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's discuss the issue rather than edit back and forth. ( Guyinblack25 talk 22:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
In the interests of avoiding an edit war, time to open this up for discussion again it seems. Her official name is Aerith and has been for quite some time. Official literature from Japan has supported this even from the time of FFVII. Mislocalization resulted in Aeris, and this has been fixed in the US since around the time of Kingdom Hearts. Aerith being the official name even resulted in this page being moved to the current naming convention. Frankly, I see no reason to use two different forms of her name in the article outside of a concession at the beginning mentioning the situation, and any direct quotes. Using Aerith in part of the article and Aeris in the FFVII and FFT sections both looks bad from a style standpoint and may be confusing to readers unfamiliar with the older name. I recommend the aforementioned explanation and the use of Aeris only in the direct quotations and any article link names, and Aerith in the body of the article per WP:NCON and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style. Nezu Chiza ( talk) 22:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This is really remnant of the Terra vs. Tina argument... As it stands, Aerith is the correct spelling for a reason. That reason is that it has been used in every canonical addition to the Final Fantasy VI world... i.e., the -s spelling hasn't been used since the original FFVII and can thus be considered obsolete. Plus, it is common knowledge that the Japanese language doesn't have a sound for /θ/ ("th"); the closest approximation for that sound is their /s/ sound. It is my personal opinion that Aeris does indeed sound better, and that Aerith sounds like the original name is being lisped by a mentally challenged person, but nevertheless, the -th spelling, according to its current usage over the -s spelling, is what was originally intended by Square, and we have to respect that. Mikhajlovich ( talk) 02:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Her name is Aeris in
Final Fantasy VII, the game for which she is, by far, the most well-known. This is the only game in which she is a main character, and as such, it is the most exhaustive treatment of the subject material that currently exists. Newer sources that only mention her in brief passing are not more valid just because they are newer. To my knowledge, no statement from any official source exists claiming that the "Aeris"
localization (NB: not
translation) was a mistake, and thus any claims that it was are
original research and have no place here.
But I'm not in the mood for a revert war with you people. Enjoy feeling superior for having "educated" the populace of your "superior" knowledge of Japanese culture, otakus. ~ 24.149.43.87 ( talk) 00:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize this argument has been done to death's door and bag, but I just think I should add in my thought on the matter. As someone else mentioned the Tina/Terra argument, I thought it necessary for me to mention that everyone I know who actually played FF6 when it came out still refuses to acknowledge her name as Tina. I still don't feel comfortable with it, because it was NOT the name I grew up with when I was a teenager. In the same vein, Aeris is the name that I have heard since BEFORE the game ever came out in the US, and it is the name I am contiuing to use today. I always mentally recorrect it whenever I see it as Aerith. If I remember correctly, the entire Aeris/Aerith issue didn't even START until they decided to do something with her character again down the road and "retranslated" it. I have said before that while I admire Square for getting the MANY glaring plotholes and other problems out of the way, I don't feel comfortable with changing names. This is the Eggman/Robotnik (I prefer Robotnik) and Ultros/Orthros (again, I prefer Ultros. I believe the fans actually campaigned to KEEP his name from being changed in the GBA release of FF6. If I may take a moment and get away from Final Fantasy... look at Godzilla. Yes, his real name is Gojira (and I use both intermixedly) but hardly anyone in the US ever refers to him as that, because that wasn't the name many of us grew up with. In Godzilla's case, both names are readilly accepted. Sometimes I hear Japanese people tell me Godzilla just sounds better. For me, Aeris will and always shall be the proper spelling of her name. Much the like sequals and prequals to FF7, the name change is just another bastardization of the series. No argument people make can change that, and I'm positive I'm not alone in that thinking. Dakmordian ( talk) 11:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
This isn't really a solid contribution to the debate, of which I have no true knowledge in terms of what was "intended"... but it is interesting to note in Greek mythology Eris (homophone and near homonym to "Aeris") is the goddess of "strife". I wouldn't remark on this, except the FF developers have shown a predilection for mythology... This is an extrapolation out of nowhere and I have no intention of putting this down anywhere as fact (so don't worry), but if there is any genuine Eris/Aerith connection, I would guess either the localization theory of why it changed is true, or the developers purposefully wanted to make her name in English less obviously "Eris" = Strife. And yes, I know it was Cloud's name that was Strife and not Aerith's, but it is a remarkable coincidence (... which, in the end, may be simply what it is). 99.245.2.216 ( talk) 02:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
The original name in English should be used, this is the English wikipedia not the Japanese one, look at the Mega Drive / Genesis argument on wikipedia, Genesis is used because it was the first name used in English despite the fact the system was named Mega Drive in Japan and every other country around the world. As such we should use Aeris here with a note that her Japanese name is Aerith. 77.97.151.145 ( talk) 07:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I removed the link of Cetra to the "Races of FFXII" page as that page no longer contains any mention of Cetra. Feel free to create a blurb on that page and relink. Coradon ( talk) 00:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
When editing the article a notification replaces the normal one about the article size, saying: Aerith, not Aeris This article's name is "Aerith Gainsborough". This is not a typo. If you wish to discuss an "Aerith" → "Aeris" edit, please see the talk page. For now, all such alterations will be reverted back to "Aerith".
How and when was this made? Since when was it possible? It's the first time I've seen it in an article, but having it replace the kilobyte count...
Also, recently I've seen a bit of reverting regarding the th/s thing, and it's probably a good faith misunderstanding due to this message. Hidden text at Aerith_Gainsborough#Final_Fantasy_VII notes that Consensus has decided to keep her name as Aeris in the FFVII and FFT sections. Do not change it, please. Inline notes are harder to notice compared to the general notice for editing the article, so it should probably be added.
- Zero1328 Talk? 07:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I saw somewhere she has a birthdate listed. I think it's in the lil booklet that comes with the game. If I find it, would it be alright to put it in?-- 68.32.149.132 ( talk) 04:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the 'She is Aeris in FFT' policy, I feel it should be noted that she is named Aerith in her appearance in the much better translation of the FFT Remake War of the Lions. Whether this affects policy I'll leave to others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.9.102.199 ( talk) 17:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I was curious as to why she was listed as "Mulatto"? Shouldn't that be Cetra? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyPeridot ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Erm guys, she is half cetra half human. Her mother was a cetra and her father was a shinra professor I mean, did any of you actually play FFVII? Jun Hao Wu 02:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juwu7 ( talk • contribs)
After her death in ff7 you can still see her in a chapel/church somewhere. Shouldn't this be mentionened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.176.244.217 ( talk) 10:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't Jenova the one who killed Aeries? I mean the Sephiroth we fight in disc one is not really Sephiroth and we know this because the real one is frozen in the northern crater. We begin to see Sephiroth after Jenova scapes and every time we see him we fight Jenova. Wouldn't this mean that it is Jenova leaving behind pieces of herself and doing as Sephiroth wills?
Then why is everyone so in love with the concept that it has to be Sephiroth the one who kills her? Can't it state that Jenova is the one doing it even if Sephiroth is behind it all? Well just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.67.220 ( talk) 00:58, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I know this, but if you just say Sephiroth killed her without explaining at least something about what you just told me, people that doesn't know will belive that is Sephiroth phisically. There must be something you could say there so you made clear it is actually Jenova who is there even if it's just a puppet for Sephiroth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.67.220 ( talk) 02:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Aerith is really technically not part of AVALANCHE and she says "just a friend" when asked by Marle in the Remake. Who is? Barret, Tifa, Jesse, Biggs, Wedge, and Cloud.
You'll recall when they meet Rufus in the original game, Barret and Tifa both say they're part of AVALANCHE while Aerith says she's "a flower girl from the slums." A similar scene happens in the Remake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.33.206.242 ( talk) 16:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
It's a Japanese name, it should be ordered (at least in kana) as Geinzuburu Earisu, not Earisu Geinzuburu. And doesn't it have kanji and furigana?
5.89.210.114 ( talk) 17:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The Japanese version of Final Fantasy games never use last names first either. Tintor2 ( talk) 19:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)