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I moved some of the previous content around to make more sense, and added a section for middle school cliques. Please leave me a comment if there are any problems. Thanks!
Tdb17 ( talk) 00:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
I think that these two sections should be removed, because they add little to the article. Instead of See Also section, relevant internal links can and should be used. Is anyone opposed to this? Rebecita.angle 22:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
That picture seems really odd: surely there is something better? Turnstep 19:00, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Studying world history spanning the centuries it becomes noticeable that more often than not the wrong people become the leaders. There are exceptions, of course, Ghandi being one of them.
If leaders are people who are driven by the need for acceptance, and are willing to exact pain and suffering upon those who do not meet their personal needs, then it is likely that those people should not be leaders.
Rather, those people who excel in a craft, or science, or any given human endeavor, should be taught leadership and allowed to practice it.
Cliques (or gangs in many instances) become a defining force for individuals. The leaders of cliques often become the leaders of countries, transnational corporations, and social institutions worldwide, and because of that cliques are social objects that should be thoroughly studied. The manipulation of clique behavior might better serve societal goals if that behavior is integrated into social systems rather than peripheral to them.
Clique behavior has been integrated to some degree in the more formalized activities and events such as sports programs and debate teams. The observation is that in these activities the team and program goals define the social behavior and social stratification within the group.
It may be interesting to find that less formal activities, such as water cooler discussions and power lunches, assign disproportionate meaning to unstructured behavior, and so allow a greater possibility of unhealthy social outcomes.
Related:
Interpersonal Configurations and Cliques
Intergroup Conflict and Cooperation: The Robbers Cave Experiment
Xmo1 12:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Not a big issue, but I don't like the inconsistent terminology used for outcast. early in the article the term ``pariah" is used while it is later replaced in favor of ``outcast".
This Article dosent say anything about boys cliques or even list common cliques. someone please clean this up.
I can assure you that this article is not only feminist biased but also toward the juvenile. Cliques exist in the adult world and can be male, female or mixed. For example, attractive confident queen bee greatly influences male leaders for example. Also I think there are more than two roles - coming from two groups, insiders and outsiders. This article only describes two. -- Dixx 22:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Dixx.
Is the pronunication written supposed to be read as a homophone of the word "click"? Although I am aware of this pronunication (which I think is particularly common in America), I believe the more classical pronunciation is somewhat like "cleek". (This agrees with its origin as a French loanword.)
I do not know what phonetic standard Wikipedia recommends for writing out pronunciations, but perhaps both should be included at least for the sake of comparison. Could someone else knowledgeable in these matters update the pronunciation?
The person who wrote this watched "Mean Girls" one too many times.
I definitely agree that this article needs to be reworked. One sentence that really jumped out at me was "Cliques may also be a source of distraction from studies, both for clique members and for the outcasts they victimize." Doesn't seem very NPOV to me. Not all cliques "victimize" non-members. This article seems like it was written by someone who had a bad time at high school and is now trying to make cliques seem like a malevolent presence. -- Sidhebolg 07:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Uh, cliques are also military alliances formed within warlords. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais ( Be eudaimonic!) 01:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I re-worked the intro, and made the pro & con list look less like a pro & con list, but the article still needs a lot of work. I thought I'd leave a note here so people have my ideas to work with. ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk / Contribs) 18:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Decided to lose half the article about the ridiculous game called 'bully' as it is irrelevant. Also, i removed the family clique information as it was ungrounded and technically a clique concerns only unrelated peoples 'with common interests' as the article states. -- EvansUK 10:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Cliques are really a natural and inevitable part of human nature whether manifesting in highschool cafs or high politics.Once you are in a clique it takes time to learn. Yet this article goes out of its way to make them sound ominous and evil, invoking Zhilis, Nazis and (unidentified) people from the Middle East. Get a sense of balance morons! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.48.239 ( talk) 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC) Not only high school, but also primary school, university and workplace! 194.141.3.17 ( talk) 01:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The table of contents doesn't even match the article. 72.0.175.144 ( talk) 03:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Umm... This book is Amazing OMG i love the brateniess in the book its like real life plus it keeps the book suspenceful!!! Ita a MUST read!!!1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.245.209 ( talk) 23:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
A clique (IPA:/'kliːk/, pronounced /'klɪk/ by some Americans) is an exclusive group of people who share interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity.[1] A clique as a reference group can be either normative or comparative. Members of a clique will try to exclude others from the group and are often seen as bullies. This is because they tend to outnumber people when arguing.
The final sentence is a non-sequitur and has no relevance to the definition of a clique.
The second to last sentence is biased and should read: Membership in a clique is often, but not necessarily exclusive, and qualifications for membership may be social or essential to the nature of the clique.
According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clique - cliques are not always exclusive therefore I believe the definition should be changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseodoom ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a senior year Psychology major and I plan to update this article as a final project in my Seminar on Adolescent Development. In the upcoming weeks I will be expanding this article a great deal. Below you will see an outline of the new material, which will be accurate, current, and well cited. If no one minds, I will delete and replace most of what's up now. However, if deleting this work would offend any one, I'm willing to incorporate the existing sentences in the new material. I also plan to delete the irrelevant note on graph theory unless any one is opposed. If anyone has any objections to this plan, please let me know.
Intro
Definitions
Distinction from peer groups [link]
Membership
misconceptions: apply to both genders and all levels of popularity
Types of membership: Group Members, Liasons, Isolates
Stability and Change
within individuals
within cliques
Within Clique Structure Heirarchy within the Clique Studies have identified standard roles for girls and standard roles for boys Status maintenance New membership: Invitation vs. Application Popularity 2 kinds: Sociometic & Percieved Predictors of both Long-term Effects of Popularity Rejection Popularity (by type)
Between Clique Structure Hierarchy of cliques within peer groups much like individuals within a clique Selection & Socialization: Clique members group together because similar and become more similar over time. Major Determinants of shared group identity and status: -Orientation toward school -Orientation toward teen culture, & -Involvement in antisocial Behavior: Broken down into studies on 1. Aggression 2. Substance Use and 3. Depression Demographic Factors -Age -Socioeconomic Status -Ethnicity (effects of academic tracking, effects of sustance use) -Gender
Decline of Clique Behavior Sex cleavage begins in early childhood -Early adolescence - single gender cliques emerge -Middle adolescence - single gender cliques socialize together, but largely interact within own clique. -Late adolescence – couple form, attention shifts, cliques and organized peer groups replaced by loosely associated sets of couples (which will remain the norm).
Discussion -Contrary to popular belief, cliques aren’t inherently bad. They’re part of normative social development in our culture and can even be beneficial in these ways… -However can clearly also be detrimental … so how can we help? -Group Interventions don’t work and often cause Iatrogenic Effects via Deviancy Training. -Families do seem to have more power than previously thought — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom ( talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I rewrote this article to be more accurate, better cited, and include far more information. It is still more America-centric than I would like, but that's what was in the literature. It may also be too long but I'm not sure what to cut. What do you guys think? I'd really love it if anyone else has something to add or cares to help edit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a good start for an article on adolescent cliques, but hardly an article on clique social structures at large. There are a number of societies and cultural groups that rely on cliques extensively, across age- and gender-limits. Examples include clique structures in organized crime, business, and politics. Somebody who is /not/ specialized in child psych or sociological studies of adolescents (or, rather, getting undergraduate degrees in those fields) needs to retitle this article to "teen cliques" or something and write a reasonable, general article on clique sturctures without the overt disciplinary and cultural bias that currently dominates the article. 156.98.129.16 ( talk) 16:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012 Charlesdavybrown ( talk) 13:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I will be adding the article "Clique Membership and Social Adjustment in Children's Same-Gender Cliques: The Contribution of the Type of Clique to Children's Self-Reported Adjustment". I will also be adding a more elaborate description of cliques and the effects they have on children's social and emotional well-being.
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at Kings UWO <
Lpatric4 (
talk)
02:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)lpatric4/>
I will be making three steps to improve this article 1) including the article "Change and Stability in Childhood Clique Membership, Isolation From Cliques, and Associated Child Characteristics" by Miranda Witvliet, Pol A.C. van Lier, Pim Cuijpers, and Hans M. Koot, 2010 2) fixing and adjusting the section "between Clique structure" by editing the grammar and adding more depth to the subtopics. 3) adding visuals to the page including diagrams and various visual aids with descriptions allowing further understanding < Lpatric4 ( talk) 02:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)lpatric4>
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012 Tmihalop ( talk) 04:49, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I will be making the following three steps to improve this article:1)describing some of the types of cliques 2)creating a new "cliques in schools" subheading and expanding on the effects of cliques in schools 3)including the article "Longitudinal Associations Between Clique Membership Status and Internalizing and Externalizing Problems During Late Childhood" by Miranda Witvliet, Pol A. C. van Lier, Mara Brendgen, Hans M. Koot, & Frank Vitaro, 2010. Tmihalop ( talk) 01:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Doing copy editing for my CSC class here. made some changes on march 3rd /info/en/?search=User:Carmyd/sandbox2 Open to suggestion on specifics anyone wants me to fix. So far, I've picked up on some punctuation issues Carmyd ( talk) 18:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
I am doing copy editing for my CSC104 class on this article. To improve this article i will be focusing most of my time on spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization issues. So far, i have found several issues in the area i am looking under. Here is a link to my sandbox: /info/en/?search=User:Lolasoji/sandbox I am open to any suggestions on how to improve this article even more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolasoji ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
almost everything within the sections "Types of American cliques" and "Within clique structure" seems to be essentially unfounded (and crucially, uncited) assertions based on flawed and ridiculous tropes. i seriously think it's worth considering removing those sections altogether. Farleigheditor ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated this page for deletion. Many issues have been raised with this article for the better part of 20 years. It's time that it either was deleted, or a serious and in-depth re-write took place recentlyryan RecentlyRyan 11:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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I moved some of the previous content around to make more sense, and added a section for middle school cliques. Please leave me a comment if there are any problems. Thanks!
Tdb17 ( talk) 00:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
I think that these two sections should be removed, because they add little to the article. Instead of See Also section, relevant internal links can and should be used. Is anyone opposed to this? Rebecita.angle 22:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
That picture seems really odd: surely there is something better? Turnstep 19:00, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Studying world history spanning the centuries it becomes noticeable that more often than not the wrong people become the leaders. There are exceptions, of course, Ghandi being one of them.
If leaders are people who are driven by the need for acceptance, and are willing to exact pain and suffering upon those who do not meet their personal needs, then it is likely that those people should not be leaders.
Rather, those people who excel in a craft, or science, or any given human endeavor, should be taught leadership and allowed to practice it.
Cliques (or gangs in many instances) become a defining force for individuals. The leaders of cliques often become the leaders of countries, transnational corporations, and social institutions worldwide, and because of that cliques are social objects that should be thoroughly studied. The manipulation of clique behavior might better serve societal goals if that behavior is integrated into social systems rather than peripheral to them.
Clique behavior has been integrated to some degree in the more formalized activities and events such as sports programs and debate teams. The observation is that in these activities the team and program goals define the social behavior and social stratification within the group.
It may be interesting to find that less formal activities, such as water cooler discussions and power lunches, assign disproportionate meaning to unstructured behavior, and so allow a greater possibility of unhealthy social outcomes.
Related:
Interpersonal Configurations and Cliques
Intergroup Conflict and Cooperation: The Robbers Cave Experiment
Xmo1 12:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Not a big issue, but I don't like the inconsistent terminology used for outcast. early in the article the term ``pariah" is used while it is later replaced in favor of ``outcast".
This Article dosent say anything about boys cliques or even list common cliques. someone please clean this up.
I can assure you that this article is not only feminist biased but also toward the juvenile. Cliques exist in the adult world and can be male, female or mixed. For example, attractive confident queen bee greatly influences male leaders for example. Also I think there are more than two roles - coming from two groups, insiders and outsiders. This article only describes two. -- Dixx 22:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Dixx.
Is the pronunication written supposed to be read as a homophone of the word "click"? Although I am aware of this pronunication (which I think is particularly common in America), I believe the more classical pronunciation is somewhat like "cleek". (This agrees with its origin as a French loanword.)
I do not know what phonetic standard Wikipedia recommends for writing out pronunciations, but perhaps both should be included at least for the sake of comparison. Could someone else knowledgeable in these matters update the pronunciation?
The person who wrote this watched "Mean Girls" one too many times.
I definitely agree that this article needs to be reworked. One sentence that really jumped out at me was "Cliques may also be a source of distraction from studies, both for clique members and for the outcasts they victimize." Doesn't seem very NPOV to me. Not all cliques "victimize" non-members. This article seems like it was written by someone who had a bad time at high school and is now trying to make cliques seem like a malevolent presence. -- Sidhebolg 07:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Uh, cliques are also military alliances formed within warlords. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais ( Be eudaimonic!) 01:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I re-worked the intro, and made the pro & con list look less like a pro & con list, but the article still needs a lot of work. I thought I'd leave a note here so people have my ideas to work with. ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk / Contribs) 18:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Decided to lose half the article about the ridiculous game called 'bully' as it is irrelevant. Also, i removed the family clique information as it was ungrounded and technically a clique concerns only unrelated peoples 'with common interests' as the article states. -- EvansUK 10:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Cliques are really a natural and inevitable part of human nature whether manifesting in highschool cafs or high politics.Once you are in a clique it takes time to learn. Yet this article goes out of its way to make them sound ominous and evil, invoking Zhilis, Nazis and (unidentified) people from the Middle East. Get a sense of balance morons! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.48.239 ( talk) 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC) Not only high school, but also primary school, university and workplace! 194.141.3.17 ( talk) 01:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The table of contents doesn't even match the article. 72.0.175.144 ( talk) 03:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Umm... This book is Amazing OMG i love the brateniess in the book its like real life plus it keeps the book suspenceful!!! Ita a MUST read!!!1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.245.209 ( talk) 23:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
A clique (IPA:/'kliːk/, pronounced /'klɪk/ by some Americans) is an exclusive group of people who share interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity.[1] A clique as a reference group can be either normative or comparative. Members of a clique will try to exclude others from the group and are often seen as bullies. This is because they tend to outnumber people when arguing.
The final sentence is a non-sequitur and has no relevance to the definition of a clique.
The second to last sentence is biased and should read: Membership in a clique is often, but not necessarily exclusive, and qualifications for membership may be social or essential to the nature of the clique.
According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clique - cliques are not always exclusive therefore I believe the definition should be changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseodoom ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a senior year Psychology major and I plan to update this article as a final project in my Seminar on Adolescent Development. In the upcoming weeks I will be expanding this article a great deal. Below you will see an outline of the new material, which will be accurate, current, and well cited. If no one minds, I will delete and replace most of what's up now. However, if deleting this work would offend any one, I'm willing to incorporate the existing sentences in the new material. I also plan to delete the irrelevant note on graph theory unless any one is opposed. If anyone has any objections to this plan, please let me know.
Intro
Definitions
Distinction from peer groups [link]
Membership
misconceptions: apply to both genders and all levels of popularity
Types of membership: Group Members, Liasons, Isolates
Stability and Change
within individuals
within cliques
Within Clique Structure Heirarchy within the Clique Studies have identified standard roles for girls and standard roles for boys Status maintenance New membership: Invitation vs. Application Popularity 2 kinds: Sociometic & Percieved Predictors of both Long-term Effects of Popularity Rejection Popularity (by type)
Between Clique Structure Hierarchy of cliques within peer groups much like individuals within a clique Selection & Socialization: Clique members group together because similar and become more similar over time. Major Determinants of shared group identity and status: -Orientation toward school -Orientation toward teen culture, & -Involvement in antisocial Behavior: Broken down into studies on 1. Aggression 2. Substance Use and 3. Depression Demographic Factors -Age -Socioeconomic Status -Ethnicity (effects of academic tracking, effects of sustance use) -Gender
Decline of Clique Behavior Sex cleavage begins in early childhood -Early adolescence - single gender cliques emerge -Middle adolescence - single gender cliques socialize together, but largely interact within own clique. -Late adolescence – couple form, attention shifts, cliques and organized peer groups replaced by loosely associated sets of couples (which will remain the norm).
Discussion -Contrary to popular belief, cliques aren’t inherently bad. They’re part of normative social development in our culture and can even be beneficial in these ways… -However can clearly also be detrimental … so how can we help? -Group Interventions don’t work and often cause Iatrogenic Effects via Deviancy Training. -Families do seem to have more power than previously thought — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom ( talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I rewrote this article to be more accurate, better cited, and include far more information. It is still more America-centric than I would like, but that's what was in the literature. It may also be too long but I'm not sure what to cut. What do you guys think? I'd really love it if anyone else has something to add or cares to help edit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelthom ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a good start for an article on adolescent cliques, but hardly an article on clique social structures at large. There are a number of societies and cultural groups that rely on cliques extensively, across age- and gender-limits. Examples include clique structures in organized crime, business, and politics. Somebody who is /not/ specialized in child psych or sociological studies of adolescents (or, rather, getting undergraduate degrees in those fields) needs to retitle this article to "teen cliques" or something and write a reasonable, general article on clique sturctures without the overt disciplinary and cultural bias that currently dominates the article. 156.98.129.16 ( talk) 16:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012 Charlesdavybrown ( talk) 13:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I will be adding the article "Clique Membership and Social Adjustment in Children's Same-Gender Cliques: The Contribution of the Type of Clique to Children's Self-Reported Adjustment". I will also be adding a more elaborate description of cliques and the effects they have on children's social and emotional well-being.
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at Kings UWO <
Lpatric4 (
talk)
02:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)lpatric4/>
I will be making three steps to improve this article 1) including the article "Change and Stability in Childhood Clique Membership, Isolation From Cliques, and Associated Child Characteristics" by Miranda Witvliet, Pol A.C. van Lier, Pim Cuijpers, and Hans M. Koot, 2010 2) fixing and adjusting the section "between Clique structure" by editing the grammar and adding more depth to the subtopics. 3) adding visuals to the page including diagrams and various visual aids with descriptions allowing further understanding < Lpatric4 ( talk) 02:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)lpatric4>
I have decided to edit this article for Psych 2410A at King’s 2012 Tmihalop ( talk) 04:49, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I will be making the following three steps to improve this article:1)describing some of the types of cliques 2)creating a new "cliques in schools" subheading and expanding on the effects of cliques in schools 3)including the article "Longitudinal Associations Between Clique Membership Status and Internalizing and Externalizing Problems During Late Childhood" by Miranda Witvliet, Pol A. C. van Lier, Mara Brendgen, Hans M. Koot, & Frank Vitaro, 2010. Tmihalop ( talk) 01:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Doing copy editing for my CSC class here. made some changes on march 3rd /info/en/?search=User:Carmyd/sandbox2 Open to suggestion on specifics anyone wants me to fix. So far, I've picked up on some punctuation issues Carmyd ( talk) 18:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
I am doing copy editing for my CSC104 class on this article. To improve this article i will be focusing most of my time on spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization issues. So far, i have found several issues in the area i am looking under. Here is a link to my sandbox: /info/en/?search=User:Lolasoji/sandbox I am open to any suggestions on how to improve this article even more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolasoji ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
almost everything within the sections "Types of American cliques" and "Within clique structure" seems to be essentially unfounded (and crucially, uncited) assertions based on flawed and ridiculous tropes. i seriously think it's worth considering removing those sections altogether. Farleigheditor ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I have nominated this page for deletion. Many issues have been raised with this article for the better part of 20 years. It's time that it either was deleted, or a serious and in-depth re-write took place recentlyryan RecentlyRyan 11:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)