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Should this be moved from Political divisions of Taiwan to Administrative divisions of the Republic of China? Because it contains the two non-Taiwanese island-counties. -- Menchi 19:47 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Paged move. No, a deletion of the existing redirect was not necessary to move the page, since the redirect had no other edit history. -- Jiang 00:32 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Having separate columns for "Pinyin" and "Pinyin with tones" is unnecessary. Just put tones on the pinyin and keep it to 1 column. -- Jiang
hey, there is a map of ROC in Chinese Wikipedia(including Mongolia). I don't think the current map here is accurate, I think that's more a Political divisions of Taiwan, rather than Political divisions of the ROC. What's about using the map in Chinese WP? -- Yacht 08:58, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
The map here is the ROC as it is now. The one on the chinese wikipedia is the ROC in the 1930s. It's important that we differentiate what is defunct and what is not.
The Chinese one would defintely belong at history of the Republic of China. It could belong here if we add a bit more historical content (how many provinces there were when they controlled the mainland, etc.) But why is Taiwan also colored in? Taiwan/Penghu was ceded to Japan in 1895 and only returned in 1945, I believe. Aside from the map and referring to the table on the Chinese version, Taibei and Gaoxiong are also centrally administered municipalities, not municipalities of Taiwan Province, which consist of 5 other cities. -- Jia ng 19:34, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The Treaty of Shimonoseki: Article 2: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty the following territories, together with all fortifications, arsenals, and public property thereon:— (a)... (b) The island of Formosa, together with all islands appertaining or belonging to the said island of Formosa. (c) The Pescadores Group, that is to say, all islands lying between the 119th and 120th degrees of longitude east of Greenwich and the 23rd and 24th degrees of north latitude.
Did they really declare it as such? Mongolia declared independence in 1921. The Treaty between Tibet and Mongolia (1913) asserted the independence of both Tibet and Mongolia. But in both these cases, also with Eastern Turkestan, the ROC never gave up its claim. However, this was legally done for Taiwan, so it's unlikely they would declare otherwise. The map could be inaccurate. Are there any other old maps in existence?-- Jia ng 09:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Maps that included both Taiwan and now-defunct Mainlander provinces of Xikang and Mongolia were in fact used in elementary->senior high geography textbooks until around 1995. Those textbooks may attach, as an appendix, the actual PRC divisions, maybe even calling it "illegitimate map" (偽). I believe the government stopped doing that now to the textbooks. Doublethink isn't that easy to keep up with Internet and all. The official info book doesn't even bother to include Mainland in its geography section: "The two sides of the Taiwan Strait have since been governed as separate territories." The charade got a bit tiring.
Many commercial maps of China are actually usually just rip-off of Mainlander cartographic publishing companies' (with the script traditionalized, of course. And the Kinmen-Matsu bit tweaked a bit...recoloured and erased enclusive boundary to Mainland Fujian). But if you look at those detailed "illegitimate" atlas books, which they gradually stopped making after Gimmo's death, they are basically the frozen subdivision structure of 1948, i.e., no prefectures at all. They do have county divisions too, but those are pre-1949 too. An aside is that those maps usually have labels so puny and colour scheme so bad that you can hardly read them. Thank god for GIS maps. I would love to see an "illegitimate" map of the Mainland made by ROC in 2004, down to the village level. It'd fun to see how they can subdivide a land they don't control. But of course...they gave those up along with the claim semi-officially.... --- Menchi 09:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
But I believe the constitution of the Republic of China has not been changed yet it it states that Outer Mongolia, mainland China, some parts of Central Asia and Taiwan all belong to the Republic of China.-- Tbearzhang 15:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
This might be a late addition to the discussion, but it is interesting.....
Maps of historical China published recently in the PRC almost invariably have both Taiwan and Hong Kong colored in as part of the ROC between 1895 and 1945 with the notation English-occupied and Japanese-occupied. The interesting thing about this is that maps of the ROC published by the ROC in the 1930's don't include Taiwan as part of the ROC at all.
I'd like to create a wiki page which lists all of the mapping anonmalies in the world.
One of the more amusing things that I've seen was in a map store in the United States in a town with fairly large numbers of students from both the PRC and ROC. They sold two world maps (in English) one had Taiwan colored the same as the Mainland. The other didn't.
Roadrunner 05:38, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Should there be any description of the provinces on the mainland that the ROC had lost control but has not officially renounce its claim? -- 15:05, December 18, 2004, UTC
I'm almost certain that this has been brought up before, but the locator maps on the Quemoy and Matsu pages make it seem as if those islands are someone in the middle of the ocean, which is clearly not the case.
What does everything think about having maps that actually show their relative locations to the Mainland and Taiwan? Something like the Alaska and Hawaii maps in other words. -- ran ( talk) 19:21, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
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Cant tell anything from those maps-- Ji ang 04:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done the maps.
All comments and suggestions are of course welcome. :) -- ran ( talk) 19:55, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
It might just be worth Taiwan joining the PRC if there's no other way to clean up the romanization mess. (I want 100% Hanyu Pinyin.) --Jidanni 2006-04-16
Is/are there any reason/s why these divisions are "political" rather than "administrative"...? Thanks, David Kernow ( talk) 07:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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What are the requirements for the following subdivisions in population, area etc.? jlog3000 ( talk) 15:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The article says
But my calculation is 23+26+32+226+61=368. I don't edit this article frequently so I don't know if the sum is in error, or any of the individual number is in error. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 05:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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Tongyong pinyin NEVER applies to the romanization names of municipalities and counties in Taiwan (or ROC). Since 1945 the counties and cities in Taiwan use Wade-Giles TILL NOW. Although Tongyong Pinyin became official standard between 2002 and 2008, the ROC government still keep the Wade-Giles name for counties and cities as exceptions, see 地名譯寫原則. Tongyong Pinyin only applies to the names of county-controlled cities, townships, or districts.
Maybe 新北市 will be the first major administrative division using Hanyu Pinyin in its name. (Still discussing in Executive Yuan.) but 新北 is a new name in Taiwan, Hsinpei or Sinbei NEVER EXIST, TOO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energiya ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone explain, since both are administered directly by the government, why both special municipalities and counties aren't on the same administrative level? Is it a historical issue? I realize special municipalities are differently administered, but from a administrative standpoint, they appear to have the same powers, with the only difference seeming to be that these special municipalities are specially-administered provinces. Each seem to contain districts at their second level. Were special municipalities on a higher administrative level, then their second level would be counties, not districts, and that doesn't appear to be the case. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 16:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Many Wikipedia pages make statements about territories claimed by the ROC without citing sources or based only on original research in the form of Wikipedia contributors' interpretations of the ROC constitution. Obviously this is a contentious issue. I've tagged statements in this article that don't cite sources but should. I have no opinion on whether the statements are true or false, but given the nature of this topic, I don't think they should be on Wikipedia without citing appropriate secondary sources. Benjamin Hurst ( talk) 20:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
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The South Sea Islands were originally organised under the Hainan SAR. They were not reorganised under Kaohsiung Municipality until 1979. Proposing to add the change within the table. 173.66.64.179 ( talk) 13:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Administrative divisions of the Republic of China → Administrative divisions of Taiwan – After the 1970s, the PRC became solely known as "China" and the ROC became simply as "Taiwan". Should this article be renamed to "Administrative divisions of Taiwan" per WP:COMMONNAME? Wrestlingring ( talk) 21:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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I disagree. They are different municipalities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvinwlin ( talk • contribs) 07:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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To add to article: a single map that shows the main island as well as all the other smaller islands, without the corner-shaped insets that do not show the reader where those smaller islands are actually located. 76.189.141.37 ( talk) 02:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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Should this be moved from Political divisions of Taiwan to Administrative divisions of the Republic of China? Because it contains the two non-Taiwanese island-counties. -- Menchi 19:47 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Paged move. No, a deletion of the existing redirect was not necessary to move the page, since the redirect had no other edit history. -- Jiang 00:32 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Having separate columns for "Pinyin" and "Pinyin with tones" is unnecessary. Just put tones on the pinyin and keep it to 1 column. -- Jiang
hey, there is a map of ROC in Chinese Wikipedia(including Mongolia). I don't think the current map here is accurate, I think that's more a Political divisions of Taiwan, rather than Political divisions of the ROC. What's about using the map in Chinese WP? -- Yacht 08:58, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
The map here is the ROC as it is now. The one on the chinese wikipedia is the ROC in the 1930s. It's important that we differentiate what is defunct and what is not.
The Chinese one would defintely belong at history of the Republic of China. It could belong here if we add a bit more historical content (how many provinces there were when they controlled the mainland, etc.) But why is Taiwan also colored in? Taiwan/Penghu was ceded to Japan in 1895 and only returned in 1945, I believe. Aside from the map and referring to the table on the Chinese version, Taibei and Gaoxiong are also centrally administered municipalities, not municipalities of Taiwan Province, which consist of 5 other cities. -- Jia ng 19:34, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The Treaty of Shimonoseki: Article 2: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty the following territories, together with all fortifications, arsenals, and public property thereon:— (a)... (b) The island of Formosa, together with all islands appertaining or belonging to the said island of Formosa. (c) The Pescadores Group, that is to say, all islands lying between the 119th and 120th degrees of longitude east of Greenwich and the 23rd and 24th degrees of north latitude.
Did they really declare it as such? Mongolia declared independence in 1921. The Treaty between Tibet and Mongolia (1913) asserted the independence of both Tibet and Mongolia. But in both these cases, also with Eastern Turkestan, the ROC never gave up its claim. However, this was legally done for Taiwan, so it's unlikely they would declare otherwise. The map could be inaccurate. Are there any other old maps in existence?-- Jia ng 09:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Maps that included both Taiwan and now-defunct Mainlander provinces of Xikang and Mongolia were in fact used in elementary->senior high geography textbooks until around 1995. Those textbooks may attach, as an appendix, the actual PRC divisions, maybe even calling it "illegitimate map" (偽). I believe the government stopped doing that now to the textbooks. Doublethink isn't that easy to keep up with Internet and all. The official info book doesn't even bother to include Mainland in its geography section: "The two sides of the Taiwan Strait have since been governed as separate territories." The charade got a bit tiring.
Many commercial maps of China are actually usually just rip-off of Mainlander cartographic publishing companies' (with the script traditionalized, of course. And the Kinmen-Matsu bit tweaked a bit...recoloured and erased enclusive boundary to Mainland Fujian). But if you look at those detailed "illegitimate" atlas books, which they gradually stopped making after Gimmo's death, they are basically the frozen subdivision structure of 1948, i.e., no prefectures at all. They do have county divisions too, but those are pre-1949 too. An aside is that those maps usually have labels so puny and colour scheme so bad that you can hardly read them. Thank god for GIS maps. I would love to see an "illegitimate" map of the Mainland made by ROC in 2004, down to the village level. It'd fun to see how they can subdivide a land they don't control. But of course...they gave those up along with the claim semi-officially.... --- Menchi 09:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
But I believe the constitution of the Republic of China has not been changed yet it it states that Outer Mongolia, mainland China, some parts of Central Asia and Taiwan all belong to the Republic of China.-- Tbearzhang 15:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
This might be a late addition to the discussion, but it is interesting.....
Maps of historical China published recently in the PRC almost invariably have both Taiwan and Hong Kong colored in as part of the ROC between 1895 and 1945 with the notation English-occupied and Japanese-occupied. The interesting thing about this is that maps of the ROC published by the ROC in the 1930's don't include Taiwan as part of the ROC at all.
I'd like to create a wiki page which lists all of the mapping anonmalies in the world.
One of the more amusing things that I've seen was in a map store in the United States in a town with fairly large numbers of students from both the PRC and ROC. They sold two world maps (in English) one had Taiwan colored the same as the Mainland. The other didn't.
Roadrunner 05:38, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Should there be any description of the provinces on the mainland that the ROC had lost control but has not officially renounce its claim? -- 15:05, December 18, 2004, UTC
I'm almost certain that this has been brought up before, but the locator maps on the Quemoy and Matsu pages make it seem as if those islands are someone in the middle of the ocean, which is clearly not the case.
What does everything think about having maps that actually show their relative locations to the Mainland and Taiwan? Something like the Alaska and Hawaii maps in other words. -- ran ( talk) 19:21, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
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Cant tell anything from those maps-- Ji ang 04:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done the maps.
All comments and suggestions are of course welcome. :) -- ran ( talk) 19:55, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
It might just be worth Taiwan joining the PRC if there's no other way to clean up the romanization mess. (I want 100% Hanyu Pinyin.) --Jidanni 2006-04-16
Is/are there any reason/s why these divisions are "political" rather than "administrative"...? Thanks, David Kernow ( talk) 07:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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What are the requirements for the following subdivisions in population, area etc.? jlog3000 ( talk) 15:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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But my calculation is 23+26+32+226+61=368. I don't edit this article frequently so I don't know if the sum is in error, or any of the individual number is in error. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 05:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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Tongyong pinyin NEVER applies to the romanization names of municipalities and counties in Taiwan (or ROC). Since 1945 the counties and cities in Taiwan use Wade-Giles TILL NOW. Although Tongyong Pinyin became official standard between 2002 and 2008, the ROC government still keep the Wade-Giles name for counties and cities as exceptions, see 地名譯寫原則. Tongyong Pinyin only applies to the names of county-controlled cities, townships, or districts.
Maybe 新北市 will be the first major administrative division using Hanyu Pinyin in its name. (Still discussing in Executive Yuan.) but 新北 is a new name in Taiwan, Hsinpei or Sinbei NEVER EXIST, TOO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Energiya ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone explain, since both are administered directly by the government, why both special municipalities and counties aren't on the same administrative level? Is it a historical issue? I realize special municipalities are differently administered, but from a administrative standpoint, they appear to have the same powers, with the only difference seeming to be that these special municipalities are specially-administered provinces. Each seem to contain districts at their second level. Were special municipalities on a higher administrative level, then their second level would be counties, not districts, and that doesn't appear to be the case. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 16:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Many Wikipedia pages make statements about territories claimed by the ROC without citing sources or based only on original research in the form of Wikipedia contributors' interpretations of the ROC constitution. Obviously this is a contentious issue. I've tagged statements in this article that don't cite sources but should. I have no opinion on whether the statements are true or false, but given the nature of this topic, I don't think they should be on Wikipedia without citing appropriate secondary sources. Benjamin Hurst ( talk) 20:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B%E7%96%86%E5%9F%9F
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The South Sea Islands were originally organised under the Hainan SAR. They were not reorganised under Kaohsiung Municipality until 1979. Proposing to add the change within the table. 173.66.64.179 ( talk) 13:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: rename to Administrative divisions of Taiwan. ( non-admin closure) -- Dane talk 04:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Administrative divisions of the Republic of China → Administrative divisions of Taiwan – After the 1970s, the PRC became solely known as "China" and the ROC became simply as "Taiwan". Should this article be renamed to "Administrative divisions of Taiwan" per WP:COMMONNAME? Wrestlingring ( talk) 21:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.I propose that the following historical divisions articles be merged to those of modern divisions:
They are mostly stubs, and can be covered in the modern divisions articles. Szqecs ( talk) 14:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I disagree. They are different municipalities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvinwlin ( talk • contribs) 07:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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To add to article: a single map that shows the main island as well as all the other smaller islands, without the corner-shaped insets that do not show the reader where those smaller islands are actually located. 76.189.141.37 ( talk) 02:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)