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It is almost eight months since the accident and the content is stable. Blood Red Sandman and I have mentioned tidying up the article. I guess the first step is identifying what needs to be done. A quick read-through suggests that facts not relevant to the incident (the body of the local woman, for example) should probably go. So too should most of the quotes, with the info incorporated directly into the text. The names of who said various things might not be needed in all cases, either. Thoughts? Flyguy649 talk contribs 15:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gone through and tried to apply {{ convert}} to all the relevent units. FA reviewers like to see consistency in units usage, and usage in this article is a bit complex, so for the record: All units references that are relevant to aviation operations have been set up to use aviation standard units primarily (such as knots, which then convert to km/h). All other units, such as distances in the search sections, use metric units first, and then appropriate imperical units converted (either standard, or in the case of ship-related cases, nautical). I know this is complex, but I ask the FA reviewer to have a little patience and understanding. AKRadecki Speaketh 15:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to change all the remaining present tenses that should be past tense over, and do some minor rejigging of what else is currently there - would all be done by now if the Wikimedia servers hadn't crashed. And then, we can start trimming down the excess crap! BTW, I'm also going to keep checking Google news for anything new to add as well - I've been doing that from about five hours after the plane disapeared from radar. The result is I've created a comprehensive article that now needs us to step back and look at what needs to be there, and what can go. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a bit of concern over this section, as it is overall only marginally related to this actual crash, and the subsection on the specific accident aircraft is purely speculative by implying that earlier factors may have contributed. I feel that it really isn't our job to analyze the data and come up with possible reasons why the crash occurred. As an example, the last sentence suggests that a faulty radar might have been a factor. Yes, I know there's a ref, but should we be pontificating like this? I'd suggest trimming the whole section down to a simple statement that the media has reported maintenance concerns and the media has speculated that they might have been a factor, but that this has not been conclusively determined. Thoughts? AKRadecki Speaketh 18:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't have any huge preference for or against the use of {{ cite web}} and related templates, but I think we should at the very least replicate their output style. This is probably a low priority, since some refs will likely be coming out. But I will do it when the time comes. Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I am proposing the complete deltion of this section. It mainly deals with the body of the local, which, as mentioned above, isn't really relevant. This leaves the problem of the scalp on the headrest. It's too litle - just a sentence - for a whole section. The best way is to incorporate it into the 'Floating debris' section. However, the best way of entering it, IMO, is to tie it in with the headrest listed as amongst the recovered junk. Is that stretching the references too far? Or is it acceptable to assume the two headrests are one and the same? On the side, I have notified the Indonesia and Disaster managemnet wikiprojects of the collaboration taking place here. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have condensed this section, removing quotes and details I felt aren't really relevant ( diff). Let me know know what you think. The one ref that I removed was not used elsewhere. Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to make stub articles of the red links, based on my knowledge about the area. — Indon ( reply) — 07:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking over the article and its past peer reviews, etc, I haven't really found much more to improve here. Are there any outstanding issues that you, as the major editors, are aware of? Can this article be confidently nominated for FA? - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 18:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
There's a photo of PK-KKW (the aircraft involved) in the investigation report. Or we can just re-add the image of PK-KKW while it was still in service with JAT Airways under a different registration. Tigerdude9 ( talk) 22:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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It is almost eight months since the accident and the content is stable. Blood Red Sandman and I have mentioned tidying up the article. I guess the first step is identifying what needs to be done. A quick read-through suggests that facts not relevant to the incident (the body of the local woman, for example) should probably go. So too should most of the quotes, with the info incorporated directly into the text. The names of who said various things might not be needed in all cases, either. Thoughts? Flyguy649 talk contribs 15:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gone through and tried to apply {{ convert}} to all the relevent units. FA reviewers like to see consistency in units usage, and usage in this article is a bit complex, so for the record: All units references that are relevant to aviation operations have been set up to use aviation standard units primarily (such as knots, which then convert to km/h). All other units, such as distances in the search sections, use metric units first, and then appropriate imperical units converted (either standard, or in the case of ship-related cases, nautical). I know this is complex, but I ask the FA reviewer to have a little patience and understanding. AKRadecki Speaketh 15:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to change all the remaining present tenses that should be past tense over, and do some minor rejigging of what else is currently there - would all be done by now if the Wikimedia servers hadn't crashed. And then, we can start trimming down the excess crap! BTW, I'm also going to keep checking Google news for anything new to add as well - I've been doing that from about five hours after the plane disapeared from radar. The result is I've created a comprehensive article that now needs us to step back and look at what needs to be there, and what can go. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a bit of concern over this section, as it is overall only marginally related to this actual crash, and the subsection on the specific accident aircraft is purely speculative by implying that earlier factors may have contributed. I feel that it really isn't our job to analyze the data and come up with possible reasons why the crash occurred. As an example, the last sentence suggests that a faulty radar might have been a factor. Yes, I know there's a ref, but should we be pontificating like this? I'd suggest trimming the whole section down to a simple statement that the media has reported maintenance concerns and the media has speculated that they might have been a factor, but that this has not been conclusively determined. Thoughts? AKRadecki Speaketh 18:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't have any huge preference for or against the use of {{ cite web}} and related templates, but I think we should at the very least replicate their output style. This is probably a low priority, since some refs will likely be coming out. But I will do it when the time comes. Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I am proposing the complete deltion of this section. It mainly deals with the body of the local, which, as mentioned above, isn't really relevant. This leaves the problem of the scalp on the headrest. It's too litle - just a sentence - for a whole section. The best way is to incorporate it into the 'Floating debris' section. However, the best way of entering it, IMO, is to tie it in with the headrest listed as amongst the recovered junk. Is that stretching the references too far? Or is it acceptable to assume the two headrests are one and the same? On the side, I have notified the Indonesia and Disaster managemnet wikiprojects of the collaboration taking place here. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have condensed this section, removing quotes and details I felt aren't really relevant ( diff). Let me know know what you think. The one ref that I removed was not used elsewhere. Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to make stub articles of the red links, based on my knowledge about the area. — Indon ( reply) — 07:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking over the article and its past peer reviews, etc, I haven't really found much more to improve here. Are there any outstanding issues that you, as the major editors, are aware of? Can this article be confidently nominated for FA? - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 18:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
There's a photo of PK-KKW (the aircraft involved) in the investigation report. Or we can just re-add the image of PK-KKW while it was still in service with JAT Airways under a different registration. Tigerdude9 ( talk) 22:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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