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This is the best material I have read on absolute pitch. It is certainly an example of good Wiki scholarship. We might want to consider promoting it. Piano non troppo ( talk) 17:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's great. The article seems problematic. Some people have the ability to relate frequencies of compression waves to note names they learned that belong to an arbitrary tonal scale or tuning system. This article is full of music jargon and _almost_ ignores the fact that the names given to different frequencies vary by _tuning method_ and there really is nothing perfect about matching a frequency to a note in a tonal scale. The perfection would have to be in the ability to recall the frequency, not in the ability to peg the frequency to a learned naming convention. Tuning systems 98.161.2.12 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:05, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Are we getting into this again? I suppose it was inevitable once the previous discussion was archived. aruffo ( talk) 15:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
OK. If you could help me find those two particular studies that would be appreciated. However, my main problem is not the omission of this particular fact, but rather the fairly unjustifiable statement which follows in the paragraph, "no adult has ever been documented to have acquired the ability", a slightly toned down version of what it actually says in the cited article, "no adult has ever acquired the ability". I mean, what proof could they possibly have for that? The answer is they can't because it is impossible to prove a negative. So wouldn't you say this statement is "fatally flawed" also? Gregcaletta ( talk) 11:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Argh.. I found the data, and I'm disappointed that I didn't know enough about scientific procedure, when I was running it, to realize that I would definitely want two control groups-- one for musicians, one for nonmusicians. The control group of nonmusicians (who just practiced naming notes) improved slightly, but this was not significant. The experimental group of nonmusicians (who used melodies) also improved, and this improvement was by itself significant-- but not significantly different from the control group. The musicians improved more than the nonmusicians or the control group... but the difference between their improvement and the nonmusicians' is so wide that it invalidates any comparison between the musicians and the one control group (who were all nonmusicians). Drat! aruffo ( talk) 16:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
How do studies of contextual pitch memory fit into this article? I mean studies that show that people consistently sing songs from memory in the same key that they learned them. Daniel Levitan discusses his experiment where subjects were asked to sing their favorite songs from memory; they consistently sang these songs at or very near the original pitch of the song (This is Your Brain on Music, p. 149). Blacking and other researchers have seen this phenomenon in other cultures as well.
I also wonder about instrument-specific pitch memory. My brother, a professional pianist, can identify any note when played on a piano. But he can't reliably identify a pitch when played on another instrument (violin, or wind instrument). Has this ever been studied?
Is the ability to identify a pitch in isolation really so different from the ability to remember a pitch or a key within a musical context? -- Ravpapa ( talk) 08:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello. After saving this comment, I'll save a change to the article, comprising a new sub-section on the history of study and terminologies. On the whole, I like this article. And I especially like the liberal utilisation of references. There is almost always far more information on a given subject than can possibly be cited, so a range of material to launch into further exploration if I choose to or need to, is one of the criteria by which I judge an article or book. On looking at this article, I noted a citation tag next to the statement that recording (or documenting) of absolute pitch became more common for musicians of the 19th century. Two things occurred to me regarding the sentence and the tag. Firstly, it occurred to me that the tag may be there because the editor interpreted the sentence to mean that audio-recording of 19thC musicians became more common ('recording' having become narrower in contemporary popular meaning than the broader use which an academics or older generations might use the term). However the correct interpretation is of course 'documented', and I thought to change the term so there is no misunderstanding. But this would not change the underlying challenge, that of providing some sort of citation to the effect that from a certain era in history, documentation of absolute pitch became more common. And with this challenge, comes related questions, such as when did the term absolute pitch come into use? Was it circa 19th century? Was it recognised but known by different terminology prior to that? Etc.
This leads to the new sub-section which I have created. Research, ideas and knowlege always have a history, and knowing something of that history is often very enlightening, including opening up awareness of material one never previously realised existed, and which are germane to the subject one is studying. So I created the section and added a few citations. It will be possible to expand it further, but I don't have the time. Others may want to, and I would advocate that. But even should it remain undeveloped, at least there is something there. Regards Wotnow ( talk) 00:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
See this diff. A glance at the abstract of the reference does not give any hint that this is a newly arisen locus. I suspect that the evidence is the newly arisen item. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 00:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The "possible problems" section was getting confused with the "musical talent" section... I disambiguated the two in a way which would leave in the new Deutsch reference. aruffo ( talk) 02:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
With all the science lingo here, I see mostly music-talk, and a lack of sound-talk. (perception V. physics) Not a problem in itself, but... I believe that with a tuning fork or electronic tuner, any dummy can tune say, a guitar to within 1 Hz or better? Can a person with absolute pitch do that? (That question's why I read this article.) I see one place that could imply that 1/4 tone (ho-hum, often over 100 Hz?) is considered "perfect." If the answer is buried somewhere in the article, I think it should (also?) be in the opening definition paragraph. While "tone" and "pitch" to me imply a specific frequency, this is seemingly not part of their definitions, (following the hypertext). This needs to be spelled out or expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.87.34 ( talk) 14:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
YES. I would augment the above with the following: The article asserts that (without needlessly getting into the difference between pitch and frequency) possessing absolute pitch means that someone can identify a pitch from the current western twelve-tone scale, and that, in so doing, recognizes that say, 440 hertz is A4, and vice-versa. There are two obvious idiocies with this definition. First, why would absolute pitch have anything to do with a western twelve-tone scale? And second, in the real world (where most of us dwell), we know that as the difference between two things becomes smaller, the mechanism to recognize the difference must become more precise (and in most cases it takes longer to decide as well). Not to mention that a second is a completely arbitrary unit of time, therefore Hertz is a completely arbitrary unit of frequency.
So it is pretty obvious that what is really going on (my own wild assertion based on my own experience with music and physics) is humans (and probably other animals) vary in ability to recognize absolute pitch. Humans who can recognize absolute pitch within say, 20 cents (the musical kind--see the wiki page), and have the training to label pitches according to the western twelve-tone scale based on A4 = 440 hertz, meet most or all of the colloquial definitions in this article. But there is no clear line dividing humans into two groups as the article suggests, because there is no exact number of cents or labeling ability that establishes such a line. Mdlayt ( talk) 01:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Is it known how perfect pitch works? Have any experiments been done on how to recalibrate? For instance, a flute can be moved out of tune by changing temperature, or gas-mix. What environmental changes would make someone with perfect pitch go out of tune?
Also, how do different musicians perform together when their internal tunings are different? (for example, A440 and A442). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 ( talk) 06:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Pasternak knew Scriabin (I think Scriabin was a friend of the family), and he records in his autobiography that Scriabin did NOT have perfect pitch, and apparently felt very bad about it. I no longer have a copy of P's autobiography and i can no longer read Russian! But perhaps someone who curates this site can check it..?
There is another thing I would like to hear more on, from the experts. I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that people with perfect pitch typically lose it in their 60's. And - an interesting detail - part of the anecdotage is that when you start losing it you start hearing things *sharp*. A colleague of my parents reported this experience. I think it happened to Glazunov - there is a lot about Glazunov in Shostakovitch's [alleged] memoir *testimony* (which is where i read it). My ex's piano teacher had perfect pitch and when she started losing it she heard things sharp and it drove her bananas listening to piano music she used to play, beco's the fingers were in the wrong place! I had perfect pitch from my teens until about 10 years ago (i am now 72) and towards the end i heard things sharp too. I have never seen anything in the literature about it. And i would like to.
And while we are on the topic of famous people with/without perfect pitch there is the delightful story of John (aka Johnny) Dankworth who was arrested for speeding, and his defence was ` I can't have been speeding: my gearbox was doing A-flat`. This was felt to be hilarious, but it seems to me that if you have perfect pitch and you know your vehicle so that you know the noises it makes then that is absolutely a way of knowing how fast you were going.
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The article lists some examples of musicians that are known or at least it is documented that they probably had absolute pitch recognition. It would be good if some examples can be given of the opposite phenomenon. Are there well-known accomplished musicians that do not have/had the ability? This not only fills a possible curiosity of some people (me for example) but also shows to what extend it is not known (as it is written in the article) the correlation between absolute pitch and musical accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.216.170 ( talk) 21:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Absolute pitch →
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"absolute pitch" audiology: 123 genuine hits (click to last page)
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This is a response to Seokhun. The unsourced statements have now been sourced, clarified, and supported, as requested. As Levitin (2008) indicates, there is no evidence, in any published form, that actual AP ability can be learned. Rather, any adult who tries can learn to name some notes, after a few weeks, irrespective of the "method" employed, and this "pseudo-AP" is not comparable to absolute pitch ability (see Meyer, 1899; Maryon, 1916; Brady, 1970; Cuddy, 1970; Nering, 1991; Rush, 1989; Crozier, 1997; Russo, Windell, & Cuddy, 2003; Miyazaki, 2006). aruffo ( talk) 22:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on Pseudo AP really needs to be rewritten (or even removed.) The statement "there are no reported cases of an adult obtaining absolute pitch ability through musical training; adults who possess relative pitch, but who do not already have absolute pitch, can learn "pseudo-absolute pitch", and become able to identify notes in a way that superficially resembles absolute pitch" contradicts the earlier statement regarding no external standard on what AP actually means and sounds like a "no real Englishman" argument. Identification of pitch-class is a simple matter of memory and recall; I don't see why stories such as Burge's are treated as sensational or controversial.
In the Nature vs Nurture section it is written "all adults who have undergone AP training have failed, when formally tested, to show "an unqualified level of accuracy... comparable to that of AP possessors." Who determines what level of accuracy is necessary to qualify as "real" AP? There is no mention of any quantitative distinction because "real" and "pseudo" AP.
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The use of the term "East Asia" is totally wrong in that passage.
1. Vietnam is Southeast Asia, not East Asia. The article makes people think Vietnamese is linguistically related to Chinese because both countries are in "East Asia", which is not the case (both claims).
2. Japanese and Korean are rather pitch-accent languages than real tonal languages. The distinction is made in the penultimate sentence, but completely ignored in the rest of the passage because "East Asia" seems to be China and Vietnam. -- 2.245.89.47 ( talk) 14:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Under WP:BRD I have reversed a recent rewrite of the article which used the study "Non-Verbal Paradigm for Assessing Individuals for Absolute Pitch" from the World Futures journal -- a study which makes the extravagant claim that 53% of all people have absolute pitch using a novel "non-verbal" methodology. A change this massive will need consensus. Is this journal a reliable scientific source? Whether or not it is, it seems to me that this study should be mentioned, if at all, in a section on special studies on absolute pitch. Consensus has been that absolute pitch is a relatively rare phenomenon, certainly using a conventional definition. Antandrus (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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Should include the fact that most historical musicians lived in an environment where there was no defined pitch standard. Especially if a musician travelled, played at more than one organ/piano etc. , then there would be no absolute pitch to learn. Organs were often retuned with a gradual raising in pitch for example; tuning was done in a very "ballpark" way in absolute terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.2.196.77 ( talk) 14:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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Perfect pitch (perfect pitch) is a separate phenomenon, which is actually not to be confused with absolute pitch. Discussions regarding perfect pitch's nuances and differences should be listed below with absolute specificity regarding the variations of pitch that the person can demonstrate with their natural voice without any type of technologic enhancement.
The difference between an absolute pitch is even diminished to the respect of the time the pitch and how often it is invoked to separate the difference between a misperceived assumption for an additional absolute pitch discovered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C400:B4D4:467:CADA:BBB5:DFD0 ( talk) 23:00, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
I think the only defintion of AP should be the first sentence "Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is a rare auditory phenomenon characterized by the ability of a person to identify or re-create a given musical note without the benefit of a reference tone."
I guess there is researcher which have set different level of accuracy and "sub-abilities" on their defintion. Using the most elitist criterium (those who enable to states that 1 person of 10,000 have it and that an adult cannot get it by training) seems arbitrary. For me what is called "pseudo AP" should be the defintion of AP and what is suggested as true AP may be called "perfect AP" (or simply say some study using more selective criterium show that ... ) .
Anyway, suggesting there is an elite at birth and if you are not born with the gift you can only be a false AP, without precising the criterium is annoying and does not seem scientific. The french wikipedia page as exemple does not have this idea. -- Samuelboudet ( talk) 08:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
The idea that the "general" definition of perfect pitch should include the given laundry list of abilities is, besides being ridiculous, culturally biased.
If people with perfect pitch are "distressed" when hearing or playing Baroque music in which the pitch standard is A=415Hz, are we to assume that everyone who lived in the Baroque era and happened to have perfect pitch was perpetually distressed by the music they encountered every day? Or that no one in the Baroque era had perfect pitch? Both conclusions are equally absurd.
What of the many non-western cultures that either don't have a pitch "standard", or that don't use western scales, intervals, or pitch designations? There are Indonesian Gamelans in which no pitch used by the ensemble will be found on a piano tuned in 12-tone equal temperament. Microtones and macrotones that have no "names" in western musical notation notation abound. Again, are we to assume that no native Indonesian or African musician ever had perfect pitch, or that if they did, they were consequently "distressed" by their native music?
Even in western musical culture there are significant groups working outside 12-tone equal temperment -- virtually any trained organist or early keyboardist works with a multitude of tuning and temperament systems: Pythagorean; mean-tone; Werkmeister; etc., etc. -- are we to believe none of these have perfect pitch? Or that they are distressed by music occurring anywhere but on their chosen instrument?
This article is based on long-standing myths regarding perfect or "absolute" pitch. The truth of the matter is that no such thing exists, per se. What is called "absolute pitch" is nothing more than a person with a well-developed sense of relative pitch, who has at some point in their life memorized one or more reference pitches.
This whole article needs to be scrapped and redone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 01:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I watched a couple more of Beato's AP-related videos but not all of them, and that might have come from one of them. Deutsch has written a lot of publications about AP but the page I linked is a good place to start. 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 23:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
These look interesting: [3] [4] 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 05:21, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:DUE, we should give examples in terms of western music notation as it is by far the most widespread system of pitches (especially as east Asian music uses a subset of them). That I (being someone with absolute pitch) would perceive a problem with baroque tuning is largely because I have been trained to think of standard tuning as "right". It's important to indicate that the skill of AP is dependent on how one acquires the notion of being "in tune".-- Jasper Deng (talk) 09:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Couple of anecdotes: some people with AP have problems with Baroque pitch, but some others apparently just adapt after a couple of days and hear 415 Hz as A. I do wonder if anyone with AP in the modern era has successfully managed to hear 392 Hz as A, though. (I can do it for a few seconds, but then I seem to snap back to 415-ish. Could be just lack of practice, though.) Double sharp ( talk) 09:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Recognition of pitch seems to be an ability irrespective of any knowledge of musical notation. Thus it should be defined independently of notation. Once so defined, it can be registered for some purposes in terms of a particular notation system. Errantius ( talk) 09:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
This article is very good but it does need more information about the history of it. Margaritamanrique7 ( talk) 02:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The article is not so good. I had to correct some fundamentally flawed, albeit basic, information. It might help if people who actually possessed perfect and/or absolute pitch wrote the article. It's like a jackass penning the Wikipedia article on ' Genius'.
Regrettably, I've come to expect this from Wikipedia. If an article is too learned, or too controversial, or steps on somebody's toes, it is harshly reviled and, moreover, charged with lack of citations should a bold statement like "Paris is the capital of France" be put forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:4B00:C200:A8B1:FBD8:4ED0:8ABD ( talk • contribs)
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Adding Heeseung from South Korea Boy group ENHYPEN to Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch Source https://www.wowkorea.live/album/381799.html <IP removed> 16:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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TWICE member Dahyun has been noted as a recent musician/artist with perfect pitch on Wikipedia for many years. However of recent days, it has been removed. This should be restored onto the page to avoid any future lack of information. TZn109 ( talk) 18:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
All the controversy above and in some other places on the internet have at least raised a good point that the list on this page needs to be improved. Even with the reliable sourcing that is currently included for the names, I don't think it's good enough. We should look through reliable sources from the past few years and see what would be the best weighted inclusions. And, for all of you coming from elsewhere, the policy of due weight is how we determine whom to include on such a list, as there are obviously thousands of possible options. The proper weighting for a small list of 5 or 10 names would be to include only the biggest and most well known names as supported by the highest quality of reliable sources, which have specific focus on their perfect pitch.
Which is also why this person, even if they had an article on Wikipedia about them, would not qualify, as an example. At the same time, however, we should make sure to diversity the list and not just have American names (which is why Lea Salonga is a good person to include, but again, we need better overall referencing). So, I think the main focus of discussion right now is to figure out who the top quality sources are talking about when it comes to perfect pitch and proceed from there.
As the person introducing this thread, i'll go ahead and start with something that honestly surprised me. In looking for sources, I found out why Charlie Puth is included on this list, he just has a ton of reliable source coverage, particularly about his perfect pitch.
And that's just a small selection for him. So I guess he should still be included. Silver seren C 16:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add Eddy Chen from TwosetViolin in the perfect pitch. He has proved in videos that he has perfect pitch, all of which has been mentioned above. That is literally a proof and he is a very notable musician. Ishita Bose ( talk) 19:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I think I know why we are getting a flood of requests to add Eddy Chen -- he asks us to. Start this video about 8:20 (or watch the whole thing, these guys are extremely entertaining). Antandrus (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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This is being used as the reason to deny Eddy Chen from being added to this wikipedia page. I'm curious what your definition of "reliable, independent, and significant sources" is, because I find it hard to believe that this blog post about Kofi is very significant or reliable since its writer is unknown in the music world and the only perfect pitch evidence comes from his brother through a blog writer... Is that seriously significant? 😂 Furthermore, Charly's "reliable" source is completely based on hear-say, though that is considered more substantial than Eddy's countless videos demonstrating his absolute pitch. I think this page is not being maintained well or with "good faith." If Eddy Chen isn't added, then I see no reason why the more unreliable musicians are allowed to stay referenced. Sp3nsar ( talk) 18:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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add Eddy Chen from the TwoSetViolin YouTube channel 71.163.147.12 ( talk) 02:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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wanted to add Eddy from TwoSetViolin , he proved that he has perfect pitch , but he has been removed twice . The first time is by a wiki user named " Geni " who is not convinced he has perfect pitch and believed that TwoSetViolin is not real musician I suspect that that user removed him the second time too . can prove you , in a TwoSetViolin video , they once clearly mentioned and proved that Eddy has perfect pitch. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mFq3r42YaA&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NtV5N4JNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaOySImzXEQ&feature=youtu.be And please lock the Geni " user out , he might be an anti-fan , and he might change it again repetitively . Jennifernguyen2711 ( talk) 04:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch include Charlie Puth, [1] [2] Kofi Burbridge, [3] Lea Salonga, [4] [5] Michael Jackson, [6] Eddy Chen from TwoSet Violin, [7] and Mariah Carey. [6] [8] [9] BakerOfBreddy ( talk) 12:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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In Notable Sources add Eddy Chen from Twosetviolin. 183.83.137.17 ( talk) 15:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddy Chen from two set violin as a notable example of having perfect pitch 94.12.163.244 ( talk) 20:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddy Chen from Twosetviolin to the list of notable cases of people with perfect pitch. 86.17.195.224 ( talk) 16:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Eddy Chen of Twosetviolin has perfect pitch 125.209.158.82 ( talk) 04:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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In honorable mentions, may you please add Eddy Chen from TwoSetViolin, as he does have perfect pitch, and has proven it many times. 2603:9008:1A00:39C6:874:2480:9653:CFE8 ( talk) 01:47, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Interestingly enough, the Spanish page for absolute pitch does indeed list Eddy Chen (from 2set as seen above) as an individual with Perfect Pitch. Another source brought to us by the twoset subreddit is https://theviolinchannel.com/vc-vox-pop-do-you-have-perfect-pitch-born-with-it-question/.
As a compromise, maybe it can be said that "Eddy Chen has claimed to have perfect pitch.
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Add EDDY CHEN's name to the list of notable figures with absolute pitch. Pumped poison ( talk) 16:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, I am writing to request that Eddy Chen of the YouTube channel TwoSet Violin once again be listed among notable musicians with perfect pitch on the Wikipedia English page. He is a professionally trained musician (violinist), well known within the classical world and he has perfect pitch. He is noted on other Wikipedia non-English pages. It seems he was listed on the English page at one point and then removed.
He is one of the two musicians who make up TwoSet Violin. While Eddy is not a pop artist, he and Brett Yang definitely have notoriety and are considered a popular classical YouTube channel phenomenon within the classical world. Within the classical industry, they are world renowned. They have traveled the world performing concerts internationally with many sellout performances in every country they tour. They are known and have fans on every continent. A rarity within the classical industry, Eddy Chen’s (and Brett Yang’s) channel has over 3 million subscribers and growing. Not even the most successful prodigy violinists in the world come close to that many subscribers on their YouTube channel. As a matter of fact, many professional world-class violinist obtain new fans because of Eddy and Brett’s YouTube channel.
They are so popular that they have many non-classical music fans who have only come to know about classical music and the violin in particular because of Eddy and Brett’s channel. Those fans not only watch but also subscribe and faithfully watch their YouTube channel weekly. Eddy (and Brett) have inspired non-classical people around the world to take an interest in learning an instrument and classical music.
They have been in the arguably most prestigious classical magazine in the world, The Strad, and were also featured on the cover. When anything of note happens with either Eddy Chen or a Brett Yang (of TwoSet Violin) it is noted in Strad magazine.
Eddy Chen is a classically trained professional musician with a bachelors degree in music from the Queensland Conservatory in Australia. Eddy Chen, an Australian, has performed in professional orchestras in Australia. Further confirmation of this can be confirmed at TwoSet Violin’s official website.
Their YouTube channel has had guests who are fans of their channel such as world-class violinists Hillary Hahn and Ray Chen. They have been invited into the vaults of the most prestigious institutions which holds and sells the most expensive Stradivarius violins in the world. Because of their notoriety and influence within the classical community, this year 2021, Eddy Chen (along with Brett Yang) were invited to be guest co-hosts of the most prestigious world renown Menuhin competition.
Regarding perfect pitch, Eddy is known for it within the classical community. There are several YouTube videos in which he has proven not only his perfect pitch abilities, but also music theory education.
Again, although not a pop artist, within the classical world Eddy Chen more than qualifies to be on your list as a notable, musician with perfect pitch. I am hoping that you will restore his name to the list. Thank you in advance for your serious consideration of my request. JustWonderingFC ( talk) 02:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Youtuber asks to be included, again. 122.172.48.27 ( talk) 16:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm basically here on behalf of someone else. They provided two sources but I believe User:Silver seren has somewhat addressed them from one of the YouTube comment threads I saw, though not very clearly. I'm just gonna put the sources here as they've not been brought up here before, and can also serve as a record.
The first one is obviously considered unreliable by Wikipedia standards per WP:MEDIUM. But I'll just throw it here so no one has to bring it up here ever again.
The second one is an article on a website called "[ink.]".
Personally, I've never heard of this website before so I don't know how credible it is. The author of the article, Bryan Carmichael, is stated to be "the Deputy Editor-in-Chief for [ink.] magazine." [5]
So what do you guys think? Though from what I can read in the above discussions, it doesn't seem like using it as a singular source for Eddy would be sufficient, even if the article is deemed reliable. LightKeyDarkBlade ( talk) 18:08, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The referenced sources are insufficient to quantify the artist having absolute pitch.
The first source is a YouTube video which comments on his ability to perfectly sing the pitch of a single note, this is a feat that comes easily when practised.
the second source is a business insider article which provides no credentials.
There has never been any official statement/claim, nor has there been prolonged evidence to show that this user has absolute pitch. 79.66.213.235 ( talk) 21:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Musician Jacob Collier has absolute pitch, and there are many sources supporting that. His name should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 09:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC) ( talk • contribs)
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please add eddy chen Hiohihoihioih ( talk) 18:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
There is no definitive scientific evidence that such a thing as "absolute pitch" exists. Relative pitch can be demonstraged, and it is hightly culturally biased. This article need a severe rewriting, but editing is either turned off or broken. Somebody who can, please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 ( talk • contribs)
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please add eddy chen if this is not enough proof then take of charlie puth it makes sense --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyFqMMXPDQ Hiohihoihioih ( talk) 23:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Please add Eddy Chen of Twosetviolin to under “Notable cases” His channel, Twosetviolin, has over 3 million subscribers, and his personal channel has over 100 thousand subscribers. There been numerous videos on his YouTube channel, which prove how he has perfect pitch, which you might not consider a reliable source, but there is no denying the point. It makes no sense that Charlie Puth is listed, when it is clear that Eddy Chen is just as good as, or even better than him. Check recent video where Eddy and Brett react to a video of Charlie Puth demonstrating his perfect pitch skills, where they expose him for the few mistakes that he made. There is no denying that Charlie Puth has perfect pitch, but if he deserves to be on this Wikipedia page, then so does Eddy. Sources: https://maimislang.medium.com/these-music-nerds-are-what-the-world-needs-now-a81d3f5bd70d https://www.inkmedia.org/post/perfect-pitch-everything-you-need-to-know https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/TwoSetViolin — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnotherLingLingWannabe ( talk • contribs)
As a person with perfect pitch, and also being a native speaker of a tonal language namely Chinese (Mandarin), I think it is pretty non sense to relate tonal language to absolute pitch. Tonal languages work in a relative-pitch way. Just imagine, how can it be possible for an absolute-pitch language to be spoken by people with different voice types? The pitch of the tones not only varies between people, by can also varies pretty vastly for the same speaker depending on the mood, the intonation, and plenty other factors. The point is, there is no fixed pitch assigning to the tones. Sure, the portion of Chinese music student having perfect pitch is pretty high, but that's only because of the way fixed-do solfege is taught here in China. And although it might not be very obvious, when a note is played, the Chinese absolute pitch students would hear the syllable of the fixed-do solfege being sung by the instrument, which in essence, is a type of Synesthesia that links the fixed-do syllables with frequencies of the pitch. From my conversations with native English speakers with perfect pitch (who are not from China), this is fundamentally different how their absolute pitch works. If you want me to provide any academic reference, sorry I can't. I'm just here telling my experience and pointing out what I think is wrong according to a Tonal language speaker with perfect pitch whom I know very well, namely myself. My reference source is myself. 星球统领 ( talk) 11:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
[6] If of use to the article. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:2B99 ( talk) 19:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I have been watching a Youtube Channel called TwoSetViolin. One of the two violinists has perfect pitch. I have seen a post on Reddit, where he was added to the Wikipedia page, but was removed. I would like to know why, and can he not be reinstated? Life in my head ( talk) 12:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddie Chen to the list of modern notable people with perfect pitch. He is of the channel twoset violin, is famous, and he has perfect pitch as demonstrated on their channel. I do not know any of the others in the list, but I and many others know of Eddie Chen 2601:200:C002:1250:0:0:0:D8C5 ( talk) 01:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I think that we should add an edit filter which will automatically flag edits that add Eddy Chen to the list of notable people with perfect pitch. When I was requesting to extend the page protection, the administrator that had replied to my request had hinted about possibly investigating into creating an edit filter as it would be a lot easier than having people manually revert the edits. Jeuno ( talk) ( contribs) 21:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Can you make an addition in notable cases. Please include Kim Taehyung of BTS. Please find the reference articles https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/146368/20210215/bts-v-heres-what-makes-the-fan-favorie-vocalist-a-rare-type-of-guy.htm
https://us-central.koreaboo.com/lists/bts-v-scientific-rarity-facts/
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2021/02/king-of-absolute-pitch-bts-v-impressed-grammy-winner-sumi-jo-with-his-perfect-opera-singing-techniques Million90 ( talk) 12:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add Jungkook from the band, BTS, to Notable persons with absolute pitch. (He was wrongly removed recently, please correct this mistake). This was proven on BTS Run episode 150, where Jungkook demonstrated his absolute pitch ability in a music game and BigHit entertainment confirmed this in the subtitles, as well as the other BTS members. In addition, Kim Youngdae a music critic, who wrote a book on BTS: (BTS: the Review), stated in the book that Jungkook has absolute pitch (perfect pitch). Also, Brother Su (a producer and composer who has worked with BTS), stated that Jungkook has absolute pitch. Please correct this mistake and add Jungkook back to the list of notable people with absolute pitch. Thank you. Moniinicole ( talk) 12:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Jungkook from BTS has Absolute pitch. 2409:4073:4E06:DBBF:0:0:AD08:BB09 ( talk) 03:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone has found a correlation between these two phenomena? Ravpapa ( talk) 05:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The selection of notable recent musicians in the "Notable cases" section is highly WP:OR. We are not in a position to decide which popular musicians are to be included in the list. There are hundreds of artists with popular pitch that can be proven with reliable sources. I propose we remove the section entirely. The first paragraph of the section can be integrated somewhere else in the article. intforce ( talk) 12:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
He was incorrectly removed. The current credible sources have already been listed, including Jungkook proving this ability on camera, in episode 150 of the variety show, “RUN BTS”. In addition, Charlie Puth (who is already listed as one of the artists with absolute pitch) has just recently confirmed on camera in multiple interviews, that Jungkook also has absolute pitch. They recently worked together on the song “Left and Right”, released on June 24, 2022. This is new and updated information. Please add Jungkook’s name since it has been confirmed by Charlie Puth that Jungkook has this ability. Moniinicole ( talk) 23:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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This is the best material I have read on absolute pitch. It is certainly an example of good Wiki scholarship. We might want to consider promoting it. Piano non troppo ( talk) 17:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's great. The article seems problematic. Some people have the ability to relate frequencies of compression waves to note names they learned that belong to an arbitrary tonal scale or tuning system. This article is full of music jargon and _almost_ ignores the fact that the names given to different frequencies vary by _tuning method_ and there really is nothing perfect about matching a frequency to a note in a tonal scale. The perfection would have to be in the ability to recall the frequency, not in the ability to peg the frequency to a learned naming convention. Tuning systems 98.161.2.12 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:05, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Are we getting into this again? I suppose it was inevitable once the previous discussion was archived. aruffo ( talk) 15:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
OK. If you could help me find those two particular studies that would be appreciated. However, my main problem is not the omission of this particular fact, but rather the fairly unjustifiable statement which follows in the paragraph, "no adult has ever been documented to have acquired the ability", a slightly toned down version of what it actually says in the cited article, "no adult has ever acquired the ability". I mean, what proof could they possibly have for that? The answer is they can't because it is impossible to prove a negative. So wouldn't you say this statement is "fatally flawed" also? Gregcaletta ( talk) 11:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Argh.. I found the data, and I'm disappointed that I didn't know enough about scientific procedure, when I was running it, to realize that I would definitely want two control groups-- one for musicians, one for nonmusicians. The control group of nonmusicians (who just practiced naming notes) improved slightly, but this was not significant. The experimental group of nonmusicians (who used melodies) also improved, and this improvement was by itself significant-- but not significantly different from the control group. The musicians improved more than the nonmusicians or the control group... but the difference between their improvement and the nonmusicians' is so wide that it invalidates any comparison between the musicians and the one control group (who were all nonmusicians). Drat! aruffo ( talk) 16:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
How do studies of contextual pitch memory fit into this article? I mean studies that show that people consistently sing songs from memory in the same key that they learned them. Daniel Levitan discusses his experiment where subjects were asked to sing their favorite songs from memory; they consistently sang these songs at or very near the original pitch of the song (This is Your Brain on Music, p. 149). Blacking and other researchers have seen this phenomenon in other cultures as well.
I also wonder about instrument-specific pitch memory. My brother, a professional pianist, can identify any note when played on a piano. But he can't reliably identify a pitch when played on another instrument (violin, or wind instrument). Has this ever been studied?
Is the ability to identify a pitch in isolation really so different from the ability to remember a pitch or a key within a musical context? -- Ravpapa ( talk) 08:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello. After saving this comment, I'll save a change to the article, comprising a new sub-section on the history of study and terminologies. On the whole, I like this article. And I especially like the liberal utilisation of references. There is almost always far more information on a given subject than can possibly be cited, so a range of material to launch into further exploration if I choose to or need to, is one of the criteria by which I judge an article or book. On looking at this article, I noted a citation tag next to the statement that recording (or documenting) of absolute pitch became more common for musicians of the 19th century. Two things occurred to me regarding the sentence and the tag. Firstly, it occurred to me that the tag may be there because the editor interpreted the sentence to mean that audio-recording of 19thC musicians became more common ('recording' having become narrower in contemporary popular meaning than the broader use which an academics or older generations might use the term). However the correct interpretation is of course 'documented', and I thought to change the term so there is no misunderstanding. But this would not change the underlying challenge, that of providing some sort of citation to the effect that from a certain era in history, documentation of absolute pitch became more common. And with this challenge, comes related questions, such as when did the term absolute pitch come into use? Was it circa 19th century? Was it recognised but known by different terminology prior to that? Etc.
This leads to the new sub-section which I have created. Research, ideas and knowlege always have a history, and knowing something of that history is often very enlightening, including opening up awareness of material one never previously realised existed, and which are germane to the subject one is studying. So I created the section and added a few citations. It will be possible to expand it further, but I don't have the time. Others may want to, and I would advocate that. But even should it remain undeveloped, at least there is something there. Regards Wotnow ( talk) 00:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
See this diff. A glance at the abstract of the reference does not give any hint that this is a newly arisen locus. I suspect that the evidence is the newly arisen item. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 00:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The "possible problems" section was getting confused with the "musical talent" section... I disambiguated the two in a way which would leave in the new Deutsch reference. aruffo ( talk) 02:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
With all the science lingo here, I see mostly music-talk, and a lack of sound-talk. (perception V. physics) Not a problem in itself, but... I believe that with a tuning fork or electronic tuner, any dummy can tune say, a guitar to within 1 Hz or better? Can a person with absolute pitch do that? (That question's why I read this article.) I see one place that could imply that 1/4 tone (ho-hum, often over 100 Hz?) is considered "perfect." If the answer is buried somewhere in the article, I think it should (also?) be in the opening definition paragraph. While "tone" and "pitch" to me imply a specific frequency, this is seemingly not part of their definitions, (following the hypertext). This needs to be spelled out or expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.87.34 ( talk) 14:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
YES. I would augment the above with the following: The article asserts that (without needlessly getting into the difference between pitch and frequency) possessing absolute pitch means that someone can identify a pitch from the current western twelve-tone scale, and that, in so doing, recognizes that say, 440 hertz is A4, and vice-versa. There are two obvious idiocies with this definition. First, why would absolute pitch have anything to do with a western twelve-tone scale? And second, in the real world (where most of us dwell), we know that as the difference between two things becomes smaller, the mechanism to recognize the difference must become more precise (and in most cases it takes longer to decide as well). Not to mention that a second is a completely arbitrary unit of time, therefore Hertz is a completely arbitrary unit of frequency.
So it is pretty obvious that what is really going on (my own wild assertion based on my own experience with music and physics) is humans (and probably other animals) vary in ability to recognize absolute pitch. Humans who can recognize absolute pitch within say, 20 cents (the musical kind--see the wiki page), and have the training to label pitches according to the western twelve-tone scale based on A4 = 440 hertz, meet most or all of the colloquial definitions in this article. But there is no clear line dividing humans into two groups as the article suggests, because there is no exact number of cents or labeling ability that establishes such a line. Mdlayt ( talk) 01:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Is it known how perfect pitch works? Have any experiments been done on how to recalibrate? For instance, a flute can be moved out of tune by changing temperature, or gas-mix. What environmental changes would make someone with perfect pitch go out of tune?
Also, how do different musicians perform together when their internal tunings are different? (for example, A440 and A442). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 ( talk) 06:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Pasternak knew Scriabin (I think Scriabin was a friend of the family), and he records in his autobiography that Scriabin did NOT have perfect pitch, and apparently felt very bad about it. I no longer have a copy of P's autobiography and i can no longer read Russian! But perhaps someone who curates this site can check it..?
There is another thing I would like to hear more on, from the experts. I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that people with perfect pitch typically lose it in their 60's. And - an interesting detail - part of the anecdotage is that when you start losing it you start hearing things *sharp*. A colleague of my parents reported this experience. I think it happened to Glazunov - there is a lot about Glazunov in Shostakovitch's [alleged] memoir *testimony* (which is where i read it). My ex's piano teacher had perfect pitch and when she started losing it she heard things sharp and it drove her bananas listening to piano music she used to play, beco's the fingers were in the wrong place! I had perfect pitch from my teens until about 10 years ago (i am now 72) and towards the end i heard things sharp too. I have never seen anything in the literature about it. And i would like to.
And while we are on the topic of famous people with/without perfect pitch there is the delightful story of John (aka Johnny) Dankworth who was arrested for speeding, and his defence was ` I can't have been speeding: my gearbox was doing A-flat`. This was felt to be hilarious, but it seems to me that if you have perfect pitch and you know your vehicle so that you know the noises it makes then that is absolutely a way of knowing how fast you were going.
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The article lists some examples of musicians that are known or at least it is documented that they probably had absolute pitch recognition. It would be good if some examples can be given of the opposite phenomenon. Are there well-known accomplished musicians that do not have/had the ability? This not only fills a possible curiosity of some people (me for example) but also shows to what extend it is not known (as it is written in the article) the correlation between absolute pitch and musical accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.216.170 ( talk) 21:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 13:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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This is a response to Seokhun. The unsourced statements have now been sourced, clarified, and supported, as requested. As Levitin (2008) indicates, there is no evidence, in any published form, that actual AP ability can be learned. Rather, any adult who tries can learn to name some notes, after a few weeks, irrespective of the "method" employed, and this "pseudo-AP" is not comparable to absolute pitch ability (see Meyer, 1899; Maryon, 1916; Brady, 1970; Cuddy, 1970; Nering, 1991; Rush, 1989; Crozier, 1997; Russo, Windell, & Cuddy, 2003; Miyazaki, 2006). aruffo ( talk) 22:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on Pseudo AP really needs to be rewritten (or even removed.) The statement "there are no reported cases of an adult obtaining absolute pitch ability through musical training; adults who possess relative pitch, but who do not already have absolute pitch, can learn "pseudo-absolute pitch", and become able to identify notes in a way that superficially resembles absolute pitch" contradicts the earlier statement regarding no external standard on what AP actually means and sounds like a "no real Englishman" argument. Identification of pitch-class is a simple matter of memory and recall; I don't see why stories such as Burge's are treated as sensational or controversial.
In the Nature vs Nurture section it is written "all adults who have undergone AP training have failed, when formally tested, to show "an unqualified level of accuracy... comparable to that of AP possessors." Who determines what level of accuracy is necessary to qualify as "real" AP? There is no mention of any quantitative distinction because "real" and "pseudo" AP.
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The use of the term "East Asia" is totally wrong in that passage.
1. Vietnam is Southeast Asia, not East Asia. The article makes people think Vietnamese is linguistically related to Chinese because both countries are in "East Asia", which is not the case (both claims).
2. Japanese and Korean are rather pitch-accent languages than real tonal languages. The distinction is made in the penultimate sentence, but completely ignored in the rest of the passage because "East Asia" seems to be China and Vietnam. -- 2.245.89.47 ( talk) 14:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Under WP:BRD I have reversed a recent rewrite of the article which used the study "Non-Verbal Paradigm for Assessing Individuals for Absolute Pitch" from the World Futures journal -- a study which makes the extravagant claim that 53% of all people have absolute pitch using a novel "non-verbal" methodology. A change this massive will need consensus. Is this journal a reliable scientific source? Whether or not it is, it seems to me that this study should be mentioned, if at all, in a section on special studies on absolute pitch. Consensus has been that absolute pitch is a relatively rare phenomenon, certainly using a conventional definition. Antandrus (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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Should include the fact that most historical musicians lived in an environment where there was no defined pitch standard. Especially if a musician travelled, played at more than one organ/piano etc. , then there would be no absolute pitch to learn. Organs were often retuned with a gradual raising in pitch for example; tuning was done in a very "ballpark" way in absolute terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.2.196.77 ( talk) 14:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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Perfect pitch (perfect pitch) is a separate phenomenon, which is actually not to be confused with absolute pitch. Discussions regarding perfect pitch's nuances and differences should be listed below with absolute specificity regarding the variations of pitch that the person can demonstrate with their natural voice without any type of technologic enhancement.
The difference between an absolute pitch is even diminished to the respect of the time the pitch and how often it is invoked to separate the difference between a misperceived assumption for an additional absolute pitch discovered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C400:B4D4:467:CADA:BBB5:DFD0 ( talk) 23:00, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
I think the only defintion of AP should be the first sentence "Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is a rare auditory phenomenon characterized by the ability of a person to identify or re-create a given musical note without the benefit of a reference tone."
I guess there is researcher which have set different level of accuracy and "sub-abilities" on their defintion. Using the most elitist criterium (those who enable to states that 1 person of 10,000 have it and that an adult cannot get it by training) seems arbitrary. For me what is called "pseudo AP" should be the defintion of AP and what is suggested as true AP may be called "perfect AP" (or simply say some study using more selective criterium show that ... ) .
Anyway, suggesting there is an elite at birth and if you are not born with the gift you can only be a false AP, without precising the criterium is annoying and does not seem scientific. The french wikipedia page as exemple does not have this idea. -- Samuelboudet ( talk) 08:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
The idea that the "general" definition of perfect pitch should include the given laundry list of abilities is, besides being ridiculous, culturally biased.
If people with perfect pitch are "distressed" when hearing or playing Baroque music in which the pitch standard is A=415Hz, are we to assume that everyone who lived in the Baroque era and happened to have perfect pitch was perpetually distressed by the music they encountered every day? Or that no one in the Baroque era had perfect pitch? Both conclusions are equally absurd.
What of the many non-western cultures that either don't have a pitch "standard", or that don't use western scales, intervals, or pitch designations? There are Indonesian Gamelans in which no pitch used by the ensemble will be found on a piano tuned in 12-tone equal temperament. Microtones and macrotones that have no "names" in western musical notation notation abound. Again, are we to assume that no native Indonesian or African musician ever had perfect pitch, or that if they did, they were consequently "distressed" by their native music?
Even in western musical culture there are significant groups working outside 12-tone equal temperment -- virtually any trained organist or early keyboardist works with a multitude of tuning and temperament systems: Pythagorean; mean-tone; Werkmeister; etc., etc. -- are we to believe none of these have perfect pitch? Or that they are distressed by music occurring anywhere but on their chosen instrument?
This article is based on long-standing myths regarding perfect or "absolute" pitch. The truth of the matter is that no such thing exists, per se. What is called "absolute pitch" is nothing more than a person with a well-developed sense of relative pitch, who has at some point in their life memorized one or more reference pitches.
This whole article needs to be scrapped and redone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 01:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I watched a couple more of Beato's AP-related videos but not all of them, and that might have come from one of them. Deutsch has written a lot of publications about AP but the page I linked is a good place to start. 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 23:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
These look interesting: [3] [4] 173.228.123.207 ( talk) 05:21, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:DUE, we should give examples in terms of western music notation as it is by far the most widespread system of pitches (especially as east Asian music uses a subset of them). That I (being someone with absolute pitch) would perceive a problem with baroque tuning is largely because I have been trained to think of standard tuning as "right". It's important to indicate that the skill of AP is dependent on how one acquires the notion of being "in tune".-- Jasper Deng (talk) 09:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Couple of anecdotes: some people with AP have problems with Baroque pitch, but some others apparently just adapt after a couple of days and hear 415 Hz as A. I do wonder if anyone with AP in the modern era has successfully managed to hear 392 Hz as A, though. (I can do it for a few seconds, but then I seem to snap back to 415-ish. Could be just lack of practice, though.) Double sharp ( talk) 09:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Recognition of pitch seems to be an ability irrespective of any knowledge of musical notation. Thus it should be defined independently of notation. Once so defined, it can be registered for some purposes in terms of a particular notation system. Errantius ( talk) 09:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
This article is very good but it does need more information about the history of it. Margaritamanrique7 ( talk) 02:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The article is not so good. I had to correct some fundamentally flawed, albeit basic, information. It might help if people who actually possessed perfect and/or absolute pitch wrote the article. It's like a jackass penning the Wikipedia article on ' Genius'.
Regrettably, I've come to expect this from Wikipedia. If an article is too learned, or too controversial, or steps on somebody's toes, it is harshly reviled and, moreover, charged with lack of citations should a bold statement like "Paris is the capital of France" be put forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:4B00:C200:A8B1:FBD8:4ED0:8ABD ( talk • contribs)
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Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch-add Heeseung of korean boy group Enhypen <IP removed> 18:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch-Heeseung (희승)[2] of Korean boy group ENHYPEN <IP removed> 16:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Adding Heeseung from South Korea Boy group ENHYPEN to Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch Source https://www.wowkorea.live/album/381799.html <IP removed> 16:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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TWICE member Dahyun has been noted as a recent musician/artist with perfect pitch on Wikipedia for many years. However of recent days, it has been removed. This should be restored onto the page to avoid any future lack of information. TZn109 ( talk) 18:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
All the controversy above and in some other places on the internet have at least raised a good point that the list on this page needs to be improved. Even with the reliable sourcing that is currently included for the names, I don't think it's good enough. We should look through reliable sources from the past few years and see what would be the best weighted inclusions. And, for all of you coming from elsewhere, the policy of due weight is how we determine whom to include on such a list, as there are obviously thousands of possible options. The proper weighting for a small list of 5 or 10 names would be to include only the biggest and most well known names as supported by the highest quality of reliable sources, which have specific focus on their perfect pitch.
Which is also why this person, even if they had an article on Wikipedia about them, would not qualify, as an example. At the same time, however, we should make sure to diversity the list and not just have American names (which is why Lea Salonga is a good person to include, but again, we need better overall referencing). So, I think the main focus of discussion right now is to figure out who the top quality sources are talking about when it comes to perfect pitch and proceed from there.
As the person introducing this thread, i'll go ahead and start with something that honestly surprised me. In looking for sources, I found out why Charlie Puth is included on this list, he just has a ton of reliable source coverage, particularly about his perfect pitch.
And that's just a small selection for him. So I guess he should still be included. Silver seren C 16:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add Eddy Chen from TwosetViolin in the perfect pitch. He has proved in videos that he has perfect pitch, all of which has been mentioned above. That is literally a proof and he is a very notable musician. Ishita Bose ( talk) 19:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I think I know why we are getting a flood of requests to add Eddy Chen -- he asks us to. Start this video about 8:20 (or watch the whole thing, these guys are extremely entertaining). Antandrus (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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This is being used as the reason to deny Eddy Chen from being added to this wikipedia page. I'm curious what your definition of "reliable, independent, and significant sources" is, because I find it hard to believe that this blog post about Kofi is very significant or reliable since its writer is unknown in the music world and the only perfect pitch evidence comes from his brother through a blog writer... Is that seriously significant? 😂 Furthermore, Charly's "reliable" source is completely based on hear-say, though that is considered more substantial than Eddy's countless videos demonstrating his absolute pitch. I think this page is not being maintained well or with "good faith." If Eddy Chen isn't added, then I see no reason why the more unreliable musicians are allowed to stay referenced. Sp3nsar ( talk) 18:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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add Eddy Chen from the TwoSetViolin YouTube channel 71.163.147.12 ( talk) 02:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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wanted to add Eddy from TwoSetViolin , he proved that he has perfect pitch , but he has been removed twice . The first time is by a wiki user named " Geni " who is not convinced he has perfect pitch and believed that TwoSetViolin is not real musician I suspect that that user removed him the second time too . can prove you , in a TwoSetViolin video , they once clearly mentioned and proved that Eddy has perfect pitch. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mFq3r42YaA&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NtV5N4JNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaOySImzXEQ&feature=youtu.be And please lock the Geni " user out , he might be an anti-fan , and he might change it again repetitively . Jennifernguyen2711 ( talk) 04:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Notable recent musicians with absolute pitch include Charlie Puth, [1] [2] Kofi Burbridge, [3] Lea Salonga, [4] [5] Michael Jackson, [6] Eddy Chen from TwoSet Violin, [7] and Mariah Carey. [6] [8] [9] BakerOfBreddy ( talk) 12:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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In Notable Sources add Eddy Chen from Twosetviolin. 183.83.137.17 ( talk) 15:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddy Chen from two set violin as a notable example of having perfect pitch 94.12.163.244 ( talk) 20:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddy Chen from Twosetviolin to the list of notable cases of people with perfect pitch. 86.17.195.224 ( talk) 16:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Eddy Chen of Twosetviolin has perfect pitch 125.209.158.82 ( talk) 04:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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In honorable mentions, may you please add Eddy Chen from TwoSetViolin, as he does have perfect pitch, and has proven it many times. 2603:9008:1A00:39C6:874:2480:9653:CFE8 ( talk) 01:47, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Interestingly enough, the Spanish page for absolute pitch does indeed list Eddy Chen (from 2set as seen above) as an individual with Perfect Pitch. Another source brought to us by the twoset subreddit is https://theviolinchannel.com/vc-vox-pop-do-you-have-perfect-pitch-born-with-it-question/.
As a compromise, maybe it can be said that "Eddy Chen has claimed to have perfect pitch.
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Add EDDY CHEN's name to the list of notable figures with absolute pitch. Pumped poison ( talk) 16:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, I am writing to request that Eddy Chen of the YouTube channel TwoSet Violin once again be listed among notable musicians with perfect pitch on the Wikipedia English page. He is a professionally trained musician (violinist), well known within the classical world and he has perfect pitch. He is noted on other Wikipedia non-English pages. It seems he was listed on the English page at one point and then removed.
He is one of the two musicians who make up TwoSet Violin. While Eddy is not a pop artist, he and Brett Yang definitely have notoriety and are considered a popular classical YouTube channel phenomenon within the classical world. Within the classical industry, they are world renowned. They have traveled the world performing concerts internationally with many sellout performances in every country they tour. They are known and have fans on every continent. A rarity within the classical industry, Eddy Chen’s (and Brett Yang’s) channel has over 3 million subscribers and growing. Not even the most successful prodigy violinists in the world come close to that many subscribers on their YouTube channel. As a matter of fact, many professional world-class violinist obtain new fans because of Eddy and Brett’s YouTube channel.
They are so popular that they have many non-classical music fans who have only come to know about classical music and the violin in particular because of Eddy and Brett’s channel. Those fans not only watch but also subscribe and faithfully watch their YouTube channel weekly. Eddy (and Brett) have inspired non-classical people around the world to take an interest in learning an instrument and classical music.
They have been in the arguably most prestigious classical magazine in the world, The Strad, and were also featured on the cover. When anything of note happens with either Eddy Chen or a Brett Yang (of TwoSet Violin) it is noted in Strad magazine.
Eddy Chen is a classically trained professional musician with a bachelors degree in music from the Queensland Conservatory in Australia. Eddy Chen, an Australian, has performed in professional orchestras in Australia. Further confirmation of this can be confirmed at TwoSet Violin’s official website.
Their YouTube channel has had guests who are fans of their channel such as world-class violinists Hillary Hahn and Ray Chen. They have been invited into the vaults of the most prestigious institutions which holds and sells the most expensive Stradivarius violins in the world. Because of their notoriety and influence within the classical community, this year 2021, Eddy Chen (along with Brett Yang) were invited to be guest co-hosts of the most prestigious world renown Menuhin competition.
Regarding perfect pitch, Eddy is known for it within the classical community. There are several YouTube videos in which he has proven not only his perfect pitch abilities, but also music theory education.
Again, although not a pop artist, within the classical world Eddy Chen more than qualifies to be on your list as a notable, musician with perfect pitch. I am hoping that you will restore his name to the list. Thank you in advance for your serious consideration of my request. JustWonderingFC ( talk) 02:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Youtuber asks to be included, again. 122.172.48.27 ( talk) 16:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm basically here on behalf of someone else. They provided two sources but I believe User:Silver seren has somewhat addressed them from one of the YouTube comment threads I saw, though not very clearly. I'm just gonna put the sources here as they've not been brought up here before, and can also serve as a record.
The first one is obviously considered unreliable by Wikipedia standards per WP:MEDIUM. But I'll just throw it here so no one has to bring it up here ever again.
The second one is an article on a website called "[ink.]".
Personally, I've never heard of this website before so I don't know how credible it is. The author of the article, Bryan Carmichael, is stated to be "the Deputy Editor-in-Chief for [ink.] magazine." [5]
So what do you guys think? Though from what I can read in the above discussions, it doesn't seem like using it as a singular source for Eddy would be sufficient, even if the article is deemed reliable. LightKeyDarkBlade ( talk) 18:08, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The referenced sources are insufficient to quantify the artist having absolute pitch.
The first source is a YouTube video which comments on his ability to perfectly sing the pitch of a single note, this is a feat that comes easily when practised.
the second source is a business insider article which provides no credentials.
There has never been any official statement/claim, nor has there been prolonged evidence to show that this user has absolute pitch. 79.66.213.235 ( talk) 21:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Musician Jacob Collier has absolute pitch, and there are many sources supporting that. His name should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 09:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC) ( talk • contribs)
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please add eddy chen Hiohihoihioih ( talk) 18:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
There is no definitive scientific evidence that such a thing as "absolute pitch" exists. Relative pitch can be demonstraged, and it is hightly culturally biased. This article need a severe rewriting, but editing is either turned off or broken. Somebody who can, please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 ( talk • contribs)
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please add eddy chen if this is not enough proof then take of charlie puth it makes sense --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyFqMMXPDQ Hiohihoihioih ( talk) 23:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Please add Eddy Chen of Twosetviolin to under “Notable cases” His channel, Twosetviolin, has over 3 million subscribers, and his personal channel has over 100 thousand subscribers. There been numerous videos on his YouTube channel, which prove how he has perfect pitch, which you might not consider a reliable source, but there is no denying the point. It makes no sense that Charlie Puth is listed, when it is clear that Eddy Chen is just as good as, or even better than him. Check recent video where Eddy and Brett react to a video of Charlie Puth demonstrating his perfect pitch skills, where they expose him for the few mistakes that he made. There is no denying that Charlie Puth has perfect pitch, but if he deserves to be on this Wikipedia page, then so does Eddy. Sources: https://maimislang.medium.com/these-music-nerds-are-what-the-world-needs-now-a81d3f5bd70d https://www.inkmedia.org/post/perfect-pitch-everything-you-need-to-know https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/TwoSetViolin — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnotherLingLingWannabe ( talk • contribs)
As a person with perfect pitch, and also being a native speaker of a tonal language namely Chinese (Mandarin), I think it is pretty non sense to relate tonal language to absolute pitch. Tonal languages work in a relative-pitch way. Just imagine, how can it be possible for an absolute-pitch language to be spoken by people with different voice types? The pitch of the tones not only varies between people, by can also varies pretty vastly for the same speaker depending on the mood, the intonation, and plenty other factors. The point is, there is no fixed pitch assigning to the tones. Sure, the portion of Chinese music student having perfect pitch is pretty high, but that's only because of the way fixed-do solfege is taught here in China. And although it might not be very obvious, when a note is played, the Chinese absolute pitch students would hear the syllable of the fixed-do solfege being sung by the instrument, which in essence, is a type of Synesthesia that links the fixed-do syllables with frequencies of the pitch. From my conversations with native English speakers with perfect pitch (who are not from China), this is fundamentally different how their absolute pitch works. If you want me to provide any academic reference, sorry I can't. I'm just here telling my experience and pointing out what I think is wrong according to a Tonal language speaker with perfect pitch whom I know very well, namely myself. My reference source is myself. 星球统领 ( talk) 11:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
[6] If of use to the article. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:2B99 ( talk) 19:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I have been watching a Youtube Channel called TwoSetViolin. One of the two violinists has perfect pitch. I have seen a post on Reddit, where he was added to the Wikipedia page, but was removed. I would like to know why, and can he not be reinstated? Life in my head ( talk) 12:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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Add Eddie Chen to the list of modern notable people with perfect pitch. He is of the channel twoset violin, is famous, and he has perfect pitch as demonstrated on their channel. I do not know any of the others in the list, but I and many others know of Eddie Chen 2601:200:C002:1250:0:0:0:D8C5 ( talk) 01:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I think that we should add an edit filter which will automatically flag edits that add Eddy Chen to the list of notable people with perfect pitch. When I was requesting to extend the page protection, the administrator that had replied to my request had hinted about possibly investigating into creating an edit filter as it would be a lot easier than having people manually revert the edits. Jeuno ( talk) ( contribs) 21:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Can you make an addition in notable cases. Please include Kim Taehyung of BTS. Please find the reference articles https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/146368/20210215/bts-v-heres-what-makes-the-fan-favorie-vocalist-a-rare-type-of-guy.htm
https://us-central.koreaboo.com/lists/bts-v-scientific-rarity-facts/
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2021/02/king-of-absolute-pitch-bts-v-impressed-grammy-winner-sumi-jo-with-his-perfect-opera-singing-techniques Million90 ( talk) 12:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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Add Jungkook from the band, BTS, to Notable persons with absolute pitch. (He was wrongly removed recently, please correct this mistake). This was proven on BTS Run episode 150, where Jungkook demonstrated his absolute pitch ability in a music game and BigHit entertainment confirmed this in the subtitles, as well as the other BTS members. In addition, Kim Youngdae a music critic, who wrote a book on BTS: (BTS: the Review), stated in the book that Jungkook has absolute pitch (perfect pitch). Also, Brother Su (a producer and composer who has worked with BTS), stated that Jungkook has absolute pitch. Please correct this mistake and add Jungkook back to the list of notable people with absolute pitch. Thank you. Moniinicole ( talk) 12:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Jungkook from BTS has Absolute pitch. 2409:4073:4E06:DBBF:0:0:AD08:BB09 ( talk) 03:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone has found a correlation between these two phenomena? Ravpapa ( talk) 05:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The selection of notable recent musicians in the "Notable cases" section is highly WP:OR. We are not in a position to decide which popular musicians are to be included in the list. There are hundreds of artists with popular pitch that can be proven with reliable sources. I propose we remove the section entirely. The first paragraph of the section can be integrated somewhere else in the article. intforce ( talk) 12:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
He was incorrectly removed. The current credible sources have already been listed, including Jungkook proving this ability on camera, in episode 150 of the variety show, “RUN BTS”. In addition, Charlie Puth (who is already listed as one of the artists with absolute pitch) has just recently confirmed on camera in multiple interviews, that Jungkook also has absolute pitch. They recently worked together on the song “Left and Right”, released on June 24, 2022. This is new and updated information. Please add Jungkook’s name since it has been confirmed by Charlie Puth that Jungkook has this ability. Moniinicole ( talk) 23:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)