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Is Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain really referred to as "AOC"? If so, the article about him does not mention it. — BarrelProof ( talk) 21:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Tom.Reding: Regarding your recent reversion with the edit summary "Self-contradicting", I'm wondering what you mean by that. 142.160.89.97 ( talk) 05:09, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn, with my personal observation that something that should literally be decided numerically is being voted on by peoples feelings instead. There's no doubt that AOC refers to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, even in world view (go on, visit BBC and other international resources and tell me what pops up first when you search for AOC). — Locke Cole • t • c 23:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
AOC →
AOC (disambiguation) – Move this page to the standard page name for a disambiguation page, redirect this page to
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and place {{
redirect}} at the top of the target article. Over the past year, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has become the primary topic of the AOC "name". She is referred to as "AOC" in major media headlines, and she has registered social media accounts using that name on most major media sites. All the major search engines return her information when simply searching for AOC, and so it makes sense that AOC should redirect to her article first (presenting alternatives as a hatnote there). —
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A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.Polyamorph ( talk) 07:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Aren't the topics in this list supposed to actually use the acronym AOC to refer to them? Almost all of the topics, other than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, merely have initials of AOC without any reciprocal use of those initials as part of an acronym. Why is that? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 00:12, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Not sure what is being implied here. For some historical reference: https://ephemerajpp.com/2019/05/17/alianca-operaria-camponesa-aoc/#jp-carousel-368161 -- Soman ( talk) 18:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. Lots of good discussion here. The deciding factor is that the supporters cited clear statistical evidence of primacy via pageviews, and no compelling argument was made whatsoever about long-term significance (though it should be noted that a couple assertions to long-term significance were made). Our policy at WP:D makes pretty clear that the mere existence of other things that could perhaps be referred to by the title, or even that legitimately are referred to by the title, is not enough. Assertions of U.S.-centrism were also handily shot down by actual data, which wasn't responded to.
A couple of opposing editors suggested that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC be changed to be against moves like this, which implicitly concedes that our policies are in fact currently in favor of it. While of course policies can be changed, the very reason for their existence is so that a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS doesn't override what Wikipedians as a whole have agreed to do. If you disagree with the decision to move, WT:D might be the appropriate place to complain. We're supposed to follow policies, not local consensus, and the policy-based consensus here is that 90% pageviews is enough to grant primary topic for this TLA. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 23:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
AOC → AOC (disambiguation) – Many years later, and it's pretty clear that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is the primary topic for "AOC". Proof (turn on "Logarithmic scale" to see it more clearly) Note the spikes in AOC daily page views that correspond to spikes in views on the actual Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. Searching published works also bears this out.
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Air Officer Commanding not significant at all then?Correct, Air Officer Commanding is so insignificant that it doesn't even make the top ten of articles readers click through from AOC to visit. More people went to the Main Page than clicked through to Air Officer Commanding. Meanwhile, ~90% of readers clicked through to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and sources lean heavily into "AOC" being synonymous with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Clearly no primary redirect here. It's not just about pageviews.Correct, it's not just page views. It's also about our readers who, judging from click-throughs, are being stopped at a dab-page when they're really trying to get to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the person who you apparently have never heard of (and thus, is apparently irrelevant to all our readers). — Locke Cole • t • c 20:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Outside the United States, AOC as a reference to a back-bench congressperson from New York is not the most common use of this acronym/initialism. In Europe, and in English-speaking wine circles, the most common use is an acronym for the French-language phrase appellation d'origine contrôlée, or controlled name of origin in English. AOCs are the fundamental basis of all French regulation of the geographic names associated with wine production (e.g., Bordeaux, Burgundy, Chablis, Chateauneuf-du-Pape, etc.), and served as the example for similar geographic-based regulation in Spain (DO/DOC), Italy (DOC/DOCG), the United States (AVA), and the European Union generally. It does nothing but demonstrate an America-centric bias and a political bias to disregard the other uses -- and arguably the primary use -- of the AOC acronym. AOC the New York politician is a very minor figure in the world, and I say that as an American myself. 2603:8080:2500:2FCB:A4C3:8D9F:E684:512E ( talk) 19:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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Is Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain really referred to as "AOC"? If so, the article about him does not mention it. — BarrelProof ( talk) 21:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Tom.Reding: Regarding your recent reversion with the edit summary "Self-contradicting", I'm wondering what you mean by that. 142.160.89.97 ( talk) 05:09, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn, with my personal observation that something that should literally be decided numerically is being voted on by peoples feelings instead. There's no doubt that AOC refers to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, even in world view (go on, visit BBC and other international resources and tell me what pops up first when you search for AOC). — Locke Cole • t • c 23:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
AOC →
AOC (disambiguation) – Move this page to the standard page name for a disambiguation page, redirect this page to
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and place {{
redirect}} at the top of the target article. Over the past year, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has become the primary topic of the AOC "name". She is referred to as "AOC" in major media headlines, and she has registered social media accounts using that name on most major media sites. All the major search engines return her information when simply searching for AOC, and so it makes sense that AOC should redirect to her article first (presenting alternatives as a hatnote there). —
Locke Cole •
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08:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.Polyamorph ( talk) 07:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Aren't the topics in this list supposed to actually use the acronym AOC to refer to them? Almost all of the topics, other than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, merely have initials of AOC without any reciprocal use of those initials as part of an acronym. Why is that? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 00:12, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Not sure what is being implied here. For some historical reference: https://ephemerajpp.com/2019/05/17/alianca-operaria-camponesa-aoc/#jp-carousel-368161 -- Soman ( talk) 18:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. Lots of good discussion here. The deciding factor is that the supporters cited clear statistical evidence of primacy via pageviews, and no compelling argument was made whatsoever about long-term significance (though it should be noted that a couple assertions to long-term significance were made). Our policy at WP:D makes pretty clear that the mere existence of other things that could perhaps be referred to by the title, or even that legitimately are referred to by the title, is not enough. Assertions of U.S.-centrism were also handily shot down by actual data, which wasn't responded to.
A couple of opposing editors suggested that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC be changed to be against moves like this, which implicitly concedes that our policies are in fact currently in favor of it. While of course policies can be changed, the very reason for their existence is so that a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS doesn't override what Wikipedians as a whole have agreed to do. If you disagree with the decision to move, WT:D might be the appropriate place to complain. We're supposed to follow policies, not local consensus, and the policy-based consensus here is that 90% pageviews is enough to grant primary topic for this TLA. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 23:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
AOC → AOC (disambiguation) – Many years later, and it's pretty clear that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is the primary topic for "AOC". Proof (turn on "Logarithmic scale" to see it more clearly) Note the spikes in AOC daily page views that correspond to spikes in views on the actual Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. Searching published works also bears this out.
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Air Officer Commanding not significant at all then?Correct, Air Officer Commanding is so insignificant that it doesn't even make the top ten of articles readers click through from AOC to visit. More people went to the Main Page than clicked through to Air Officer Commanding. Meanwhile, ~90% of readers clicked through to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and sources lean heavily into "AOC" being synonymous with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Clearly no primary redirect here. It's not just about pageviews.Correct, it's not just page views. It's also about our readers who, judging from click-throughs, are being stopped at a dab-page when they're really trying to get to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the person who you apparently have never heard of (and thus, is apparently irrelevant to all our readers). — Locke Cole • t • c 20:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Outside the United States, AOC as a reference to a back-bench congressperson from New York is not the most common use of this acronym/initialism. In Europe, and in English-speaking wine circles, the most common use is an acronym for the French-language phrase appellation d'origine contrôlée, or controlled name of origin in English. AOCs are the fundamental basis of all French regulation of the geographic names associated with wine production (e.g., Bordeaux, Burgundy, Chablis, Chateauneuf-du-Pape, etc.), and served as the example for similar geographic-based regulation in Spain (DO/DOC), Italy (DOC/DOCG), the United States (AVA), and the European Union generally. It does nothing but demonstrate an America-centric bias and a political bias to disregard the other uses -- and arguably the primary use -- of the AOC acronym. AOC the New York politician is a very minor figure in the world, and I say that as an American myself. 2603:8080:2500:2FCB:A4C3:8D9F:E684:512E ( talk) 19:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)