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I have tagged this article for clean-up as it may be better written as PROSE, rather than being a LIST. The purpose of this list appears to be a LINKFARM to unwritten articles. Before attempting to create a list of Russian businessmen who have died in unusual or mysterious circumstances, First write about them, before including their articles in a list. Unless they are notable for other reasons, in general their individual deaths, alone, are not, so the best place to write about their deaths is within this article. Another reason this article should not be a list is that it is both time limited to the year 2022, ethnographically limited to Russians, and internally it is occupationally limited to businessmen. We already have a List of unsolved deaths that has global relevance and is far more general, so any small list article, like this one is currently, is likely to be merged into that article. Also, need the article be confined to the year 2022? Or even just to Russians? There is no general article about Mystery deaths although there is a list about unusual deaths, which could also include all the cases listed. Consequently, this article needs to discuss the phenomenon of Russian mystery deaths and give a wider context or explanation to this phenomenon that avoids SPECULATION. Also, consider if the deaths of Alexander Litvinenko and Vladimir "Sausage King" Marugo meet the criteria for a mysterious death of a Russian, if the inclusion criteria were relaxed and not confined to businessmen or 2022. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 23:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Please feel free to add prose. It is not a list. The table is an overview. Feel free to unlink unwritten articles. I thought it's better to write this article first, as the persons may be most notable for their shared mysterious series of deaths. Many may be notable for other reasons, e.g. Watford was supposedly a billionaire, Subbotin a Eurasian_Economic_Commission minister, but it's difficult to find good sources. It is limited in time etc. because those characteristics suggest linkage, but it is difficult to avoid speculation in exact delineation criteria. 2022 may not be the best time frame; some sources suggest the start was the invasion of Ukraine, but that may be speculation. Removing the criteria completely would render the article pointless indeed. Yevgeny Palant may be another candidate to include, but I have not found good enough sources. Cgbuff ( talk) 18:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Some sources also connect these to Anatoly Chubais' recent hospitalization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgbuff ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Alexey Ogarev (and Anatoly Chubais and Yevgeny Palant) are included in the list in this article. Cgbuff ( talk) 17:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: which of these individuals had given public statements against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes! there should be a new column in the table that indicates if the victim was/was not critical of Putin/Russian Gov/Ukraine war. I think this is extremely valid. 188.30.153.188 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible to make a list for the entire time period of the Putin regime? The scope would require a source that speculated the death was caused by the regime or its fellows. It would not include routine deaths such as the many people who simply disappear in Russia. The victims don't need to be notable by Wikipedia standards but at least someone who was "important" such as professionals (business, law, finance) or otherwise associated with the regime. -- Green C 03:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Cgbuff ( talk) 18:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Multiple times in these cases the cause of death has been declared to be suicide by defenestration. Considering the prevalence of defenestration is pretty low (<10%) it might be interesting to add the cause of death as a useful information in this sheet. 2001:861:5A83:79D0:C13B:7B12:6EDF:47 ( talk) 06:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Should Ivan Pechorin be added? He was the Managing Director of the Far East and Arctic Development Corporation. He died September 10th, 2022, after falling from a boat in the Sea of Japan near Russky Island. Ron Foster ( talk) 04:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
https://www.newsweek.com/putins-key-man-artic-found-dead-after-falling-overboard-1742218 I found this article, maybe we can cite or something. Redoct87 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
It should be added. Headlines like: "Another Putin crony dies in mystery plunge after ‘falling from boat’ in seventh suspicious Kremlin death in months" -- Green C 13:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Is this death mysterious? -- Green C 15:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Is there any method known to quantify the rate of elite suicide? I find it hard to judge the rank/importance of these guys. my gut feeling tells me its somewhere around 1-3% of Oligarchs. Or up to 100x more than should be normal. Just a guess though Gerdolfo ( talk) 23:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Judge; death reported by Pravda and TASS. ☆ Bri ( talk) 22:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Russian billionaire Vyacheslav Taran died in a mysterious helicopter crash in sunny Monaco. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11480711/Russian-billionaire-53-killed-helicopter-crash-near-Monaco-latest-crypto-mystery-death.html
Russian millionaire Tiantian Kullander died unexpectedly in his sleep. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11476977/Cryptocurrency-founder-Tiantian-Kullander-dies-unexpectedly-aged-30.html
Russian millionaire Nikolai Mushegian died unexpectedly. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11412595/Paranoid-crypto-millionaire-Nikolai-Mushegian-drowns-Puerto-Rico.html
Who decides whether or not these deaths should be considered "mysterious"? It's almost as mysterious as the Russian billionaires who suddenly fell out a window...
Manvswow (
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Would be useful to have this as a column after the deceased's name, if anyone has the time. Ericoides ( talk) 18:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
What about this guy? Should he make it onto the list?
Second Russian Defense Sector Bigwig Dies in Two Days
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Alexei Maslov, a retired army general, was serving as a special representative of military-technical cooperation for Uralvagonzavod, Russia’s largest tank manufacturer, when he died 'unexpectedly' last Saturday, the company announced in a statement. No cause of death was given ... Maslov’s death came just a day after Alexander Buzakov, the director general of Admiralty Shipyards, died suddenly and 'tragically' from unknown causes."
98.155.8.5 (
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Not all the people who died are businessmen, like for example Vladimir Nesterov was known for being an engineer and Alexey Maslov was a general. Not all the people who are mysteriously dying are going to be businessmen, a lot are also going to be law makers and people in the military. Should the title be renamed to something else removing the "businessmen"? Ardad ( talk) 10:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I do not like the new title.
previous suggestion for a move(which is human), in which case I understand you interpret this as assuming bad faith, for which I am sorry. I'm not interested in a personal conflict with you either, I was just surprised you appeared to be ignoring what I thought you and I had agreed upon earlier. Granted, this is a different move proposal, and not all the same policies apply here, but there are compelling reasons for not adopting the new title that you BOLDly moved it to, so I reverted it. I'm very much open to further suggestions for improvement. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
businessmenis still sufficient for new entries such as Maslov. What does Quinn write?
Alexei Maslov, a retired army general, was serving as a special representative of military-technical cooperation for Uralvagonzavod, Russia’s largest tank manufacturerThat means his (most) relevant
Positionon the list is not
Former commander-in-chief of the Russian Ground Forces, but
Uralvagonzavod special representative, which is arguably a
businessmanposition and thus perfectly compatible with the current scope. There is no need to change or enlarge the scope when the current scope works. Moreover, because all the previous sources never used the word 'elites', there is a strong rationale against changing it. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:38, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
The corporation also lost its CEO, 43-year-old Igor Nosov, who died of a stroke in February.No mention of him being a civil servant, he is framed as a corporation CEO, i.e. a
businessman.
energy executive, [21]:
businessman, [22]:
energy boss.
businessmanbut an editor-in-chief, thus a journalist. The newspaper's owner Grigory Berezkin could be considered a businessman, but not Sungorkin. Yahoo framed him as
another top Putin ally, which cannot necessarily be said about all other members of the group, certainly not those who have been labelled
Putin critics. I would therefore propose to move Sungorkin to List of journalists killed in Russia#2022, next to Darya Dugina (see also #Dugin's daughter below).
businessman. Source 24, EuroWeekly News, doesn't really make an attempt to link him to the wider group of suspicious businessmen deaths, apart from casually mentioning two other recent deaths of
Lukoil Deputy Chairman Ravil Maganovand
Yury Voronov, a top Russian businessman with connections to Russian oil company Gazprom(adding
Yury Voronov was the CEO of the Astra Shipping transport company). So apart from timing, being Russian, and having a suspicious death just like Maganov and Voronov, nothing EuroWeekly News says puts Gerashchenko in the same group as them or the other
businessmen, it's mere juxtaposition. The Dan Ladden-Hall Daily Beast source and the same Jankowicz WP:BUSINESSINSIDER source as Nosov do attempt to group Gerashchenko with other deaths, but these connections remain vague:
prominent Russians,
top Russian figures,
Russian officials, and finally,
highly-placed Russian figures in the Kremlin's orbit, particularly those connected to the technology and energy sectors.Words such as
figuressay nothing, words such as
prominent, highly-placed, topare arguable, but
officialsis a new one which doesn't fit the group we're talking about well, as all other examples mentioned by Jankowicz are better (or also) grouped as
businessmen, because they ran private or semi-private companies. Gerashchenko did not; he was a scientist, the former rector of a public educational institution, and
recently held the position of rector's adviser. I think it's too much of a stretch to label Gerashchenko a
businessman, let alone that his death is a good excuse to rashly expand the scope of the group and thus the list.
Alexei Maslov was mainly a former military manseems to be purely your POV. He may be best-known for his military service by the public, but Quinn connects his death to a last-minute-cancelled scheduled Putin visit to the Uralvagonzavod tank factory that Maslov was the
special representative of military-technical cooperationof, framing him as
the second bigwig in the country’s military industrial complex to die in just two days, and connecting him to Alexander Buzakov, the CEO of Admiralty Shipyards, who had never been a military man, but always in the naval industry, i.e., a
businessman. Therefore, our source Quinn offers no reasons to expand the scope to (former) military officials just because Maslov had been one 14 years before he died, but instead reinforces the established
Russian businessmenscope through his connection with fellow military-industrial businessman Buzakov.
Doesn't the killing of Darya Dugina belong on this list? In my view, it does. Afaik, this is also a high profile case and there's speculation in reliable media that this attack might have been politically motivated (instead of one planned by Ukraine), just as there is speculation about political motives around the other deaths. It's not yet clear who and for what reason planned this attack, and whether she or her father or both were the intended targets, so there's in any case a mystery around her death. I do agree it's different from the other deaths as there's no ambiguity that there was an attack. Interested in what other people think. UlyssorZebra ( talk) 13:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Russian businessmen, and both those articles limit themselves to people who died since the start of 2022 (specifically, 30 January 2022), and do not go further back. The Warsaw Institute has clearly limit its scope:
Four recent suicides of high-profile Russian gas industry executives seem somewhat suspicious, mentioning
At the end of January of this year, the head of the Gazprom Invest transport service, Leonid Shulman, was found dead in the bathroom of his houseas the first example, consistent with all our other RS which have identified this group. Newsweek also clearly begins its list at the start of 2022 and limits itself to Russian businessmen:
But the cases have raised questions as they are the latest Russian oligarchs found dead in mysterious circumstances since the start of the year.
four [suspicious Gazprom execs] suicidesof the Warsaw Institute, Newsweek or the many other RS in this article; so, it deals with a different group of people than we're talking about, namely,
Russian businessmenthat died under suspicious circumstances since the start of 2022. For journalists, a more appropriate place for inclusion is the List of journalists killed in Russia, noting that there needs to be pretty solid evidence that they were
killedand not that their deaths were just
suspicious. For politicians such as Boris Nemtsov, it would be more appropriate to create a List of politicians killed in Russia, with the same proviso that their deaths need to be RS-verifiable "killings".
Russian businessmengroup, because she wasn't a "businesswoman". Aside from calling herself
an ordinary journalist, her bio states
she worked as a journalist,
a political commentator,
a press secretary of her father, and as
the chief editor of a disinformation website called United World International which states it is owned by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin. As for 'politician', she was educated as a
political scientist, and her activities have been widely interpreted as being a
political commentator,
political activistand
Russian propagandist, but she never held any legislative or executive political power, so 'politician' might still be too much of a stretch. (All these things can be found in her bio and its categories). Her boss Prigozhin is no doubt a "businessman", but Dugina wasn't a "businesswoman". Therefore, she doesn't belong on this list. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 16:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
you end up with these situations where things don't fit, exactly, and you end up having to delete entries.That is how Wikipedia works per WP:LISTCRITERIA:
Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources.
The group topic is not occupation rather notable people associated with Russia who died suspiciously.Unfortunately I will have to disagree, because when the first reliable sources on this phenomenon emerged, they had a very specific scope for the group of people by occupation and by time period, namely
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022. Although some sources in late 2022 made some questionable attempts to broaden the scope beyond just
businessmen(alternatively
oligarchs, gas/energy bosses/CEOs/executives/execs), by using vague terms such as
elites, prominent Russians, top Russian figures, Russian officials, highly-placed Russian figures in the Kremlin's orbit, these are simply not
unambiguousselection criteria. Moreover, some of these sources seem to use both terms such as
(top) Putin alliesAND
Putin criticsas a way to describe the same group of people who have suspiciously died, even though these terms are pretty much opposites and arguably mutually exclusive.
Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources.There was only 1 source so far which used the word
elites, and if we switched the topic of the entire list to "elites", then suddenly all other sources would WP:FAIL verification because they don't mention that or a similar word (and violate WP:SYNTH), or the membership of people will probably become
subjective or likely to be disputed(another situation to be avoided per WP:LISTCRITERIA).
We shouldn't divide this article up when it already has a cohesive (if imperfect) concept.I agree, but for that to work, it has to maintain a cohesive concept instead of changing it to a much vaguer-concept that cannot be supported by the reliable sources the article was built on in the first place. I maintain this cohesive concept is
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022, and we should stick to it. Items that do not fit this concept should not be included. In the case of Darya Dugina, it was already included in the List of journalists killed in Russia (rightly so), and shouldn't be included here. GreenC agrees with this by saying
otherwise this is the catch-all for everything else. 98.155.8.5 is right there is no need to divide a list if the items on the list have been included for good reasons from the beginning, and there is no need to remove items from the list if they were never included in it in the first place for good reasons. But suppose that we do want to include items such as politicians in some other list if they do not fit into this one, we could split off (as GreenC and I have more or less both suggested) a list of politicians killed in Russia to include various people who would not fit the
businessmannor the
journalistdescription (especially those who died before 2022). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 12:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Hey everyone, there seems to be a lot of discussion and strong opinions about all of this, and I think it would be best to go forward with a proper RfC to figure this out, and seek further input from others. Removing content or debating about terminology really isn't going to get us anywhere unless we have a mechanism in place for an actual decision to be made. I don't see the informal back and forth above as leading us towards consensus.
So I've started this thread to discuss the RfC proposal itself (this is not the RfC!), in order to hash out some different choices.
Folks can list their proposed article title names here along with reasoning about the scope (how narrow or broad we should be in terms of content inclusion). Then we can take the top handful of choices and best options from this thread, and move on to the official RfC format.
How does that sound? Thanks everyone. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 04:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022, and should stay that way, I am open to a change of scope along the lines of List of journalists killed in Russia, that is, List of businessmen killed in Russia (or List of businesspeople killed in Russia, because not all of them were men). It comes with pros and cons. One reason why I do think there is merit to this, however, is the fact that CNN Portugal compared the group of Russian businessmen dying under suspicious circumstances since early 2022
to a previous investigation by USA Today, which concluded that "38 Russian businessmen and oligarchs close to the Kremlin died in mysterious or suspicious circumstances between 2014 and 2017."There are reasons found in reliable sources like that for expanding the scope before 2022. This would have significant implications for the entire article, namely:
Green C 03:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. There seems to be a small part in french at the bottom of the page, that should probably be removed. 2A01:E0A:34C:48B0:3D7F:DBD:66D4:D74 ( talk) 09:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. ( closed by non-admin page mover) PhotographyEdits ( talk) 15:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Suspicious deaths of Russian businesspeople (2022–2023) → List of suspicious deaths of notable Russians (2022-2023) – ? – This is a list article and should be named accordingly. It also includes some millitary people, so the scope should be changed. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Should the attempted poisonings of Ramzan Kadyrov, one of his top generals Apti Alaudinov and Roman Abramovich (during the peace talks last march) be included here? They all received coverage in mainstream sources. -- jonas ( talk) 11:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
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redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 2 § Russian mystery deaths until a consensus is reached. signed,
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Two points. There is no Russian name 'Kristina'. The korrect spelling is Khristina or Khrystina. The 'kh' letter is not a K and not particularly similar. My spelling error earlier is deliberate, as it highlights a trivial error in English, which would not be trivial in Pussian.
Secondly; there is a video available of this poor woman's demise. She is very clearly involved in final negotiations with a friend before either falling accidentally or choosing to end her own life. Misuing this tragic event for political purposes is disgusting. 122.150.92.52 ( talk) 02:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
His death at the apartment in Moscow was recently reported by The sun agency. I publish link there because I couldn't add it to the page myself:
RIPgenie ( talk) 18:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to add a column for the official and/or non-suspicious cause of death. Everyone in this list died of something non-suspicious, otherwise it wouldn't be considered suspicious ie. different from the official story. Like if the official cause of death was "assassination by Putin", it wouldn't be suspicious. For example the latest is Igor Kudryakov who reportedly had cancer. Our article doesn't mention cancer anywhere. -- Green C 04:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
-- Green C 19:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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In the Row of Gennady Lopyrev it shoud state "Died" not "DIed". 2003:E7:9746:98A9:781C:1FF1:B807:9DC7 ( talk) 20:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
This is a joke phrase, right? 128.131.198.11 ( talk) 10:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
The sortable table is nice, although it's utility is greatly reduced because we break the table up into yearly sections. Sorting is at its best when all the elements are in a single table. For example, show everyone under age 30? This is easy with a single table, but awkward with two (or more) tables. Thus, breaking up sortable tables is a necessary evil. Since these tables are not very large, I recommend 1 table for every 10 years or so. -- Green C 16:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
probably should be "business people and prominent bureaucrats" OliviaMR ( talk) 04:29, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Should be added? Cgbuff ( talk) 21:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
"Russian sausage tycoon who criticised Ukraine invasion falls to death from hotel window. Pavel Antov, a member of Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party, is found lying in a pool of blood outside a luxury hotel in India" - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/27/russian-magnate-pavel-antov-dies-window-fall-india/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liotier ( talk • contribs) 06:20, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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Please delete the entry for Nikolai Mushegian. Nikolai was not ethnically Russian, not a Russian citizen, not a Russian resident nor "Russian businessman" in any sense. He was born in the US, lived all his life in the US, and worked in the US. His name does not belong in the list. Consutema ( talk) 14:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORd_Q2NmL4
See you tube link above. 79.78.231.42 ( talk) 09:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Reported by Russian State Media that he was found dead after falling out a third floor window. He's a member of Putin's ruling United Russia party.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/world/article283590933.html
27/12/2023 SaltedCustardBun ( talk) 15:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
All this article is pretty dragged in by the head and shoulders. There are thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who are in the same position of power as those that are listed here. It seems any death among them that had been reported in news was put into this list.
Besides this, the criterion of suspiciousness is ill-defined and very broad, e.g. ‘Died suddenly’ - should we add all heart attacks, accidents etc. to this list? They inevitably happen since there are way too many people that can be considered as ‘Putin’s elite’ and they die here and there.
It seems the list should be less vast and more focused on real strange cases, otherwise it depreciates it’s meaning. 188.143.240.42 ( talk) 20:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
A simple uncontroversial update. Would do myself but I am not 30/500. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.6.78.22 ( talk) 15:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Addition of the death of Alexei Navalny, on the 16th February 2024. A prominent opposer of Vladimir Putin, the body of Alexei Navalny was found dead after a walk at the 'polar wolf' artic penal colony where he was serving a long jail term.
link: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jailed-russian-opposition-leader-navalny-dead-prison-service-2024-02-16/ 46.11.175.214 ( talk) 14:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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Add under 2024 that Alexei Navalny has died on 16th Feb 2024 while in prison. ZeMonsterWiz ( talk) 05:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Change the title from "Suspicious deaths of Russian businesspeople" to "Suspicious deaths of Russian elites" as the people that have now suspiciously died are not only businesspeople. The list now also includes politicians, military generals, media/mews people, etc. Blackpinkaaaa2791 ( talk) 00:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Vitaly Robertus, 54, Vice President of the Russian oil and gas firm Lukoil, has been found dead. He is the fourth Lukoil top manager to die since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Details: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Vitaly Vladimirovich Robertus, Vice President of the company, died suddenly at the age of 54," the press release reads.
Robertus’s death was the fourth among Lukoil’s top managers in the last two years.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/13/7446342/
Lukoil’s press release (in Russian): https://lukoil.ru/PressCenter/Pressreleases/Pressrelease/soobshchenie-pao-lukoil_1 Human Transistor ( talk) 05:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Mechalisa ( talk) 11:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
In the last table, 2024 deaths
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Can Vitali Robertus be added?
Vitali Robertus, see here and here 82.174.61.58 ( talk) 14:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
On April 1, 2024, businessman Nikolay Mukkonen (40 years old) suddenly died during football training https://gubdaily.ru/news/izvestnyj-biznesmen-vnezapno-umer-na-trenirovke-v-petrozavodske/ Tibarr ( talk) 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
See the mentioned article. 82.162.185.113 ( talk) 08:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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I strongly believe that the following sentence
The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden arrhythmic death syndrome. [1]
should be amended to read
The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden infant death syndrome. [1]
Nowhere in the referenced article is the former condition actually mentioned, and the general public, as evidenced by Google Trends, does not really seem know or care much about that in comparison to what I am suggesting.
The current choice therefore appears to be completely unfounded and furthermore confusing to the readers, if not actually misleading (as a claim on the origin of the phrase), since there does not seem to be any evidence to support the origin claim, that the play is, in fact, on the fairly obscure rather than the quite infamous of the two medical conditions.
Unless there actually is evidence in favor of the current interpretation, in which case the article should be amended to add the missing reference to the supporting evidence instead. It should have already been there all along.
You are very welcome to try and prove me wrong. — Nameless Undead ( talk) 23:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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I have tagged this article for clean-up as it may be better written as PROSE, rather than being a LIST. The purpose of this list appears to be a LINKFARM to unwritten articles. Before attempting to create a list of Russian businessmen who have died in unusual or mysterious circumstances, First write about them, before including their articles in a list. Unless they are notable for other reasons, in general their individual deaths, alone, are not, so the best place to write about their deaths is within this article. Another reason this article should not be a list is that it is both time limited to the year 2022, ethnographically limited to Russians, and internally it is occupationally limited to businessmen. We already have a List of unsolved deaths that has global relevance and is far more general, so any small list article, like this one is currently, is likely to be merged into that article. Also, need the article be confined to the year 2022? Or even just to Russians? There is no general article about Mystery deaths although there is a list about unusual deaths, which could also include all the cases listed. Consequently, this article needs to discuss the phenomenon of Russian mystery deaths and give a wider context or explanation to this phenomenon that avoids SPECULATION. Also, consider if the deaths of Alexander Litvinenko and Vladimir "Sausage King" Marugo meet the criteria for a mysterious death of a Russian, if the inclusion criteria were relaxed and not confined to businessmen or 2022. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 23:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Please feel free to add prose. It is not a list. The table is an overview. Feel free to unlink unwritten articles. I thought it's better to write this article first, as the persons may be most notable for their shared mysterious series of deaths. Many may be notable for other reasons, e.g. Watford was supposedly a billionaire, Subbotin a Eurasian_Economic_Commission minister, but it's difficult to find good sources. It is limited in time etc. because those characteristics suggest linkage, but it is difficult to avoid speculation in exact delineation criteria. 2022 may not be the best time frame; some sources suggest the start was the invasion of Ukraine, but that may be speculation. Removing the criteria completely would render the article pointless indeed. Yevgeny Palant may be another candidate to include, but I have not found good enough sources. Cgbuff ( talk) 18:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Some sources also connect these to Anatoly Chubais' recent hospitalization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgbuff ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Alexey Ogarev (and Anatoly Chubais and Yevgeny Palant) are included in the list in this article. Cgbuff ( talk) 17:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: which of these individuals had given public statements against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes! there should be a new column in the table that indicates if the victim was/was not critical of Putin/Russian Gov/Ukraine war. I think this is extremely valid. 188.30.153.188 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible to make a list for the entire time period of the Putin regime? The scope would require a source that speculated the death was caused by the regime or its fellows. It would not include routine deaths such as the many people who simply disappear in Russia. The victims don't need to be notable by Wikipedia standards but at least someone who was "important" such as professionals (business, law, finance) or otherwise associated with the regime. -- Green C 03:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Cgbuff ( talk) 18:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Multiple times in these cases the cause of death has been declared to be suicide by defenestration. Considering the prevalence of defenestration is pretty low (<10%) it might be interesting to add the cause of death as a useful information in this sheet. 2001:861:5A83:79D0:C13B:7B12:6EDF:47 ( talk) 06:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Should Ivan Pechorin be added? He was the Managing Director of the Far East and Arctic Development Corporation. He died September 10th, 2022, after falling from a boat in the Sea of Japan near Russky Island. Ron Foster ( talk) 04:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
https://www.newsweek.com/putins-key-man-artic-found-dead-after-falling-overboard-1742218 I found this article, maybe we can cite or something. Redoct87 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
It should be added. Headlines like: "Another Putin crony dies in mystery plunge after ‘falling from boat’ in seventh suspicious Kremlin death in months" -- Green C 13:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Is this death mysterious? -- Green C 15:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Is there any method known to quantify the rate of elite suicide? I find it hard to judge the rank/importance of these guys. my gut feeling tells me its somewhere around 1-3% of Oligarchs. Or up to 100x more than should be normal. Just a guess though Gerdolfo ( talk) 23:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Judge; death reported by Pravda and TASS. ☆ Bri ( talk) 22:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Russian billionaire Vyacheslav Taran died in a mysterious helicopter crash in sunny Monaco. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11480711/Russian-billionaire-53-killed-helicopter-crash-near-Monaco-latest-crypto-mystery-death.html
Russian millionaire Tiantian Kullander died unexpectedly in his sleep. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11476977/Cryptocurrency-founder-Tiantian-Kullander-dies-unexpectedly-aged-30.html
Russian millionaire Nikolai Mushegian died unexpectedly. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11412595/Paranoid-crypto-millionaire-Nikolai-Mushegian-drowns-Puerto-Rico.html
Who decides whether or not these deaths should be considered "mysterious"? It's almost as mysterious as the Russian billionaires who suddenly fell out a window...
Manvswow (
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Would be useful to have this as a column after the deceased's name, if anyone has the time. Ericoides ( talk) 18:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
What about this guy? Should he make it onto the list?
Second Russian Defense Sector Bigwig Dies in Two Days
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Alexei Maslov, a retired army general, was serving as a special representative of military-technical cooperation for Uralvagonzavod, Russia’s largest tank manufacturer, when he died 'unexpectedly' last Saturday, the company announced in a statement. No cause of death was given ... Maslov’s death came just a day after Alexander Buzakov, the director general of Admiralty Shipyards, died suddenly and 'tragically' from unknown causes."
98.155.8.5 (
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Not all the people who died are businessmen, like for example Vladimir Nesterov was known for being an engineer and Alexey Maslov was a general. Not all the people who are mysteriously dying are going to be businessmen, a lot are also going to be law makers and people in the military. Should the title be renamed to something else removing the "businessmen"? Ardad ( talk) 10:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I do not like the new title.
previous suggestion for a move(which is human), in which case I understand you interpret this as assuming bad faith, for which I am sorry. I'm not interested in a personal conflict with you either, I was just surprised you appeared to be ignoring what I thought you and I had agreed upon earlier. Granted, this is a different move proposal, and not all the same policies apply here, but there are compelling reasons for not adopting the new title that you BOLDly moved it to, so I reverted it. I'm very much open to further suggestions for improvement. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
businessmenis still sufficient for new entries such as Maslov. What does Quinn write?
Alexei Maslov, a retired army general, was serving as a special representative of military-technical cooperation for Uralvagonzavod, Russia’s largest tank manufacturerThat means his (most) relevant
Positionon the list is not
Former commander-in-chief of the Russian Ground Forces, but
Uralvagonzavod special representative, which is arguably a
businessmanposition and thus perfectly compatible with the current scope. There is no need to change or enlarge the scope when the current scope works. Moreover, because all the previous sources never used the word 'elites', there is a strong rationale against changing it. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:38, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
The corporation also lost its CEO, 43-year-old Igor Nosov, who died of a stroke in February.No mention of him being a civil servant, he is framed as a corporation CEO, i.e. a
businessman.
energy executive, [21]:
businessman, [22]:
energy boss.
businessmanbut an editor-in-chief, thus a journalist. The newspaper's owner Grigory Berezkin could be considered a businessman, but not Sungorkin. Yahoo framed him as
another top Putin ally, which cannot necessarily be said about all other members of the group, certainly not those who have been labelled
Putin critics. I would therefore propose to move Sungorkin to List of journalists killed in Russia#2022, next to Darya Dugina (see also #Dugin's daughter below).
businessman. Source 24, EuroWeekly News, doesn't really make an attempt to link him to the wider group of suspicious businessmen deaths, apart from casually mentioning two other recent deaths of
Lukoil Deputy Chairman Ravil Maganovand
Yury Voronov, a top Russian businessman with connections to Russian oil company Gazprom(adding
Yury Voronov was the CEO of the Astra Shipping transport company). So apart from timing, being Russian, and having a suspicious death just like Maganov and Voronov, nothing EuroWeekly News says puts Gerashchenko in the same group as them or the other
businessmen, it's mere juxtaposition. The Dan Ladden-Hall Daily Beast source and the same Jankowicz WP:BUSINESSINSIDER source as Nosov do attempt to group Gerashchenko with other deaths, but these connections remain vague:
prominent Russians,
top Russian figures,
Russian officials, and finally,
highly-placed Russian figures in the Kremlin's orbit, particularly those connected to the technology and energy sectors.Words such as
figuressay nothing, words such as
prominent, highly-placed, topare arguable, but
officialsis a new one which doesn't fit the group we're talking about well, as all other examples mentioned by Jankowicz are better (or also) grouped as
businessmen, because they ran private or semi-private companies. Gerashchenko did not; he was a scientist, the former rector of a public educational institution, and
recently held the position of rector's adviser. I think it's too much of a stretch to label Gerashchenko a
businessman, let alone that his death is a good excuse to rashly expand the scope of the group and thus the list.
Alexei Maslov was mainly a former military manseems to be purely your POV. He may be best-known for his military service by the public, but Quinn connects his death to a last-minute-cancelled scheduled Putin visit to the Uralvagonzavod tank factory that Maslov was the
special representative of military-technical cooperationof, framing him as
the second bigwig in the country’s military industrial complex to die in just two days, and connecting him to Alexander Buzakov, the CEO of Admiralty Shipyards, who had never been a military man, but always in the naval industry, i.e., a
businessman. Therefore, our source Quinn offers no reasons to expand the scope to (former) military officials just because Maslov had been one 14 years before he died, but instead reinforces the established
Russian businessmenscope through his connection with fellow military-industrial businessman Buzakov.
Doesn't the killing of Darya Dugina belong on this list? In my view, it does. Afaik, this is also a high profile case and there's speculation in reliable media that this attack might have been politically motivated (instead of one planned by Ukraine), just as there is speculation about political motives around the other deaths. It's not yet clear who and for what reason planned this attack, and whether she or her father or both were the intended targets, so there's in any case a mystery around her death. I do agree it's different from the other deaths as there's no ambiguity that there was an attack. Interested in what other people think. UlyssorZebra ( talk) 13:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Russian businessmen, and both those articles limit themselves to people who died since the start of 2022 (specifically, 30 January 2022), and do not go further back. The Warsaw Institute has clearly limit its scope:
Four recent suicides of high-profile Russian gas industry executives seem somewhat suspicious, mentioning
At the end of January of this year, the head of the Gazprom Invest transport service, Leonid Shulman, was found dead in the bathroom of his houseas the first example, consistent with all our other RS which have identified this group. Newsweek also clearly begins its list at the start of 2022 and limits itself to Russian businessmen:
But the cases have raised questions as they are the latest Russian oligarchs found dead in mysterious circumstances since the start of the year.
four [suspicious Gazprom execs] suicidesof the Warsaw Institute, Newsweek or the many other RS in this article; so, it deals with a different group of people than we're talking about, namely,
Russian businessmenthat died under suspicious circumstances since the start of 2022. For journalists, a more appropriate place for inclusion is the List of journalists killed in Russia, noting that there needs to be pretty solid evidence that they were
killedand not that their deaths were just
suspicious. For politicians such as Boris Nemtsov, it would be more appropriate to create a List of politicians killed in Russia, with the same proviso that their deaths need to be RS-verifiable "killings".
Russian businessmengroup, because she wasn't a "businesswoman". Aside from calling herself
an ordinary journalist, her bio states
she worked as a journalist,
a political commentator,
a press secretary of her father, and as
the chief editor of a disinformation website called United World International which states it is owned by Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin. As for 'politician', she was educated as a
political scientist, and her activities have been widely interpreted as being a
political commentator,
political activistand
Russian propagandist, but she never held any legislative or executive political power, so 'politician' might still be too much of a stretch. (All these things can be found in her bio and its categories). Her boss Prigozhin is no doubt a "businessman", but Dugina wasn't a "businesswoman". Therefore, she doesn't belong on this list. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 16:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
you end up with these situations where things don't fit, exactly, and you end up having to delete entries.That is how Wikipedia works per WP:LISTCRITERIA:
Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources.
The group topic is not occupation rather notable people associated with Russia who died suspiciously.Unfortunately I will have to disagree, because when the first reliable sources on this phenomenon emerged, they had a very specific scope for the group of people by occupation and by time period, namely
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022. Although some sources in late 2022 made some questionable attempts to broaden the scope beyond just
businessmen(alternatively
oligarchs, gas/energy bosses/CEOs/executives/execs), by using vague terms such as
elites, prominent Russians, top Russian figures, Russian officials, highly-placed Russian figures in the Kremlin's orbit, these are simply not
unambiguousselection criteria. Moreover, some of these sources seem to use both terms such as
(top) Putin alliesAND
Putin criticsas a way to describe the same group of people who have suspiciously died, even though these terms are pretty much opposites and arguably mutually exclusive.
Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources.There was only 1 source so far which used the word
elites, and if we switched the topic of the entire list to "elites", then suddenly all other sources would WP:FAIL verification because they don't mention that or a similar word (and violate WP:SYNTH), or the membership of people will probably become
subjective or likely to be disputed(another situation to be avoided per WP:LISTCRITERIA).
We shouldn't divide this article up when it already has a cohesive (if imperfect) concept.I agree, but for that to work, it has to maintain a cohesive concept instead of changing it to a much vaguer-concept that cannot be supported by the reliable sources the article was built on in the first place. I maintain this cohesive concept is
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022, and we should stick to it. Items that do not fit this concept should not be included. In the case of Darya Dugina, it was already included in the List of journalists killed in Russia (rightly so), and shouldn't be included here. GreenC agrees with this by saying
otherwise this is the catch-all for everything else. 98.155.8.5 is right there is no need to divide a list if the items on the list have been included for good reasons from the beginning, and there is no need to remove items from the list if they were never included in it in the first place for good reasons. But suppose that we do want to include items such as politicians in some other list if they do not fit into this one, we could split off (as GreenC and I have more or less both suggested) a list of politicians killed in Russia to include various people who would not fit the
businessmannor the
journalistdescription (especially those who died before 2022). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 12:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Hey everyone, there seems to be a lot of discussion and strong opinions about all of this, and I think it would be best to go forward with a proper RfC to figure this out, and seek further input from others. Removing content or debating about terminology really isn't going to get us anywhere unless we have a mechanism in place for an actual decision to be made. I don't see the informal back and forth above as leading us towards consensus.
So I've started this thread to discuss the RfC proposal itself (this is not the RfC!), in order to hash out some different choices.
Folks can list their proposed article title names here along with reasoning about the scope (how narrow or broad we should be in terms of content inclusion). Then we can take the top handful of choices and best options from this thread, and move on to the official RfC format.
How does that sound? Thanks everyone. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 04:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Russian businessmen suspiciously dying since the beginning of 2022, and should stay that way, I am open to a change of scope along the lines of List of journalists killed in Russia, that is, List of businessmen killed in Russia (or List of businesspeople killed in Russia, because not all of them were men). It comes with pros and cons. One reason why I do think there is merit to this, however, is the fact that CNN Portugal compared the group of Russian businessmen dying under suspicious circumstances since early 2022
to a previous investigation by USA Today, which concluded that "38 Russian businessmen and oligarchs close to the Kremlin died in mysterious or suspicious circumstances between 2014 and 2017."There are reasons found in reliable sources like that for expanding the scope before 2022. This would have significant implications for the entire article, namely:
Green C 03:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. There seems to be a small part in french at the bottom of the page, that should probably be removed. 2A01:E0A:34C:48B0:3D7F:DBD:66D4:D74 ( talk) 09:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. ( closed by non-admin page mover) PhotographyEdits ( talk) 15:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Suspicious deaths of Russian businesspeople (2022–2023) → List of suspicious deaths of notable Russians (2022-2023) – ? – This is a list article and should be named accordingly. It also includes some millitary people, so the scope should be changed. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Should the attempted poisonings of Ramzan Kadyrov, one of his top generals Apti Alaudinov and Roman Abramovich (during the peace talks last march) be included here? They all received coverage in mainstream sources. -- jonas ( talk) 11:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
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redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 2 § Russian mystery deaths until a consensus is reached. signed,
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Two points. There is no Russian name 'Kristina'. The korrect spelling is Khristina or Khrystina. The 'kh' letter is not a K and not particularly similar. My spelling error earlier is deliberate, as it highlights a trivial error in English, which would not be trivial in Pussian.
Secondly; there is a video available of this poor woman's demise. She is very clearly involved in final negotiations with a friend before either falling accidentally or choosing to end her own life. Misuing this tragic event for political purposes is disgusting. 122.150.92.52 ( talk) 02:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
His death at the apartment in Moscow was recently reported by The sun agency. I publish link there because I couldn't add it to the page myself:
RIPgenie ( talk) 18:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to add a column for the official and/or non-suspicious cause of death. Everyone in this list died of something non-suspicious, otherwise it wouldn't be considered suspicious ie. different from the official story. Like if the official cause of death was "assassination by Putin", it wouldn't be suspicious. For example the latest is Igor Kudryakov who reportedly had cancer. Our article doesn't mention cancer anywhere. -- Green C 04:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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In the Row of Gennady Lopyrev it shoud state "Died" not "DIed". 2003:E7:9746:98A9:781C:1FF1:B807:9DC7 ( talk) 20:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
This is a joke phrase, right? 128.131.198.11 ( talk) 10:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
The sortable table is nice, although it's utility is greatly reduced because we break the table up into yearly sections. Sorting is at its best when all the elements are in a single table. For example, show everyone under age 30? This is easy with a single table, but awkward with two (or more) tables. Thus, breaking up sortable tables is a necessary evil. Since these tables are not very large, I recommend 1 table for every 10 years or so. -- Green C 16:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
probably should be "business people and prominent bureaucrats" OliviaMR ( talk) 04:29, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Should be added? Cgbuff ( talk) 21:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
"Russian sausage tycoon who criticised Ukraine invasion falls to death from hotel window. Pavel Antov, a member of Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party, is found lying in a pool of blood outside a luxury hotel in India" - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/27/russian-magnate-pavel-antov-dies-window-fall-india/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liotier ( talk • contribs) 06:20, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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Please delete the entry for Nikolai Mushegian. Nikolai was not ethnically Russian, not a Russian citizen, not a Russian resident nor "Russian businessman" in any sense. He was born in the US, lived all his life in the US, and worked in the US. His name does not belong in the list. Consutema ( talk) 14:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORd_Q2NmL4
See you tube link above. 79.78.231.42 ( talk) 09:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Reported by Russian State Media that he was found dead after falling out a third floor window. He's a member of Putin's ruling United Russia party.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/world/article283590933.html
27/12/2023 SaltedCustardBun ( talk) 15:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
All this article is pretty dragged in by the head and shoulders. There are thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who are in the same position of power as those that are listed here. It seems any death among them that had been reported in news was put into this list.
Besides this, the criterion of suspiciousness is ill-defined and very broad, e.g. ‘Died suddenly’ - should we add all heart attacks, accidents etc. to this list? They inevitably happen since there are way too many people that can be considered as ‘Putin’s elite’ and they die here and there.
It seems the list should be less vast and more focused on real strange cases, otherwise it depreciates it’s meaning. 188.143.240.42 ( talk) 20:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
A simple uncontroversial update. Would do myself but I am not 30/500. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.6.78.22 ( talk) 15:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Addition of the death of Alexei Navalny, on the 16th February 2024. A prominent opposer of Vladimir Putin, the body of Alexei Navalny was found dead after a walk at the 'polar wolf' artic penal colony where he was serving a long jail term.
link: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jailed-russian-opposition-leader-navalny-dead-prison-service-2024-02-16/ 46.11.175.214 ( talk) 14:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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Add under 2024 that Alexei Navalny has died on 16th Feb 2024 while in prison. ZeMonsterWiz ( talk) 05:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Change the title from "Suspicious deaths of Russian businesspeople" to "Suspicious deaths of Russian elites" as the people that have now suspiciously died are not only businesspeople. The list now also includes politicians, military generals, media/mews people, etc. Blackpinkaaaa2791 ( talk) 00:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Vitaly Robertus, 54, Vice President of the Russian oil and gas firm Lukoil, has been found dead. He is the fourth Lukoil top manager to die since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Details: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Vitaly Vladimirovich Robertus, Vice President of the company, died suddenly at the age of 54," the press release reads.
Robertus’s death was the fourth among Lukoil’s top managers in the last two years.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/13/7446342/
Lukoil’s press release (in Russian): https://lukoil.ru/PressCenter/Pressreleases/Pressrelease/soobshchenie-pao-lukoil_1 Human Transistor ( talk) 05:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Mechalisa ( talk) 11:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
In the last table, 2024 deaths
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Can Vitali Robertus be added?
Vitali Robertus, see here and here 82.174.61.58 ( talk) 14:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
On April 1, 2024, businessman Nikolay Mukkonen (40 years old) suddenly died during football training https://gubdaily.ru/news/izvestnyj-biznesmen-vnezapno-umer-na-trenirovke-v-petrozavodske/ Tibarr ( talk) 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
See the mentioned article. 82.162.185.113 ( talk) 08:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden arrhythmic death syndrome. [1]
should be amended to read
The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden infant death syndrome. [1]
Nowhere in the referenced article is the former condition actually mentioned, and the general public, as evidenced by Google Trends, does not really seem know or care much about that in comparison to what I am suggesting.
The current choice therefore appears to be completely unfounded and furthermore confusing to the readers, if not actually misleading (as a claim on the origin of the phrase), since there does not seem to be any evidence to support the origin claim, that the play is, in fact, on the fairly obscure rather than the quite infamous of the two medical conditions.
Unless there actually is evidence in favor of the current interpretation, in which case the article should be amended to add the missing reference to the supporting evidence instead. It should have already been there all along.
You are very welcome to try and prove me wrong. — Nameless Undead ( talk) 23:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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