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doing a first pass. I am pretty familiar with the events of the coup but haven't followed the judicial proceedings. Bottom line, if I introduce an error, feel free to correct it without consulting me. My primary question at the moment involves the attempt to suppress the Anderson Torres document. My change of "requested" to "moved" assumed that this was a formal court filing. Elinruby ( talk) 21:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
they do exist, but I need to do a couple of things before it gets dark. Will work on this a bit later if nobody else is on it by then
PS added Bolsonaro's denial of guilt to the lede. Elinruby ( talk) 22:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Some terms in the Brazilian article are questionably linked in the Portuguese article, and we shouldn't automatically pick up those links on our translation. For example, estado de defesa is something defined in article 136 of the Brazilian Constitution; in pt-wiki, it is pipe-linked to pt:Estado de exceção, a theory by German jurist Carl Schmitt, and in our article to State of exception, in section § Draft of the coup. Does the Brazilian Constitution's article 136 really come from a German jurist of the 1920s? Maybe, but there's no citation here for that (there, neither) and we shouldn't link it if we're not sure. Editors at pt-wiki are more lax about WP:Verifiability than here, and we shouldn't just assume what editors there are doing is sourced well enough for here. Mathglot ( talk) 04:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC) updated by Mathglot ( talk) 04:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Remember that the Brazil Political, Legal, and Governmental Glossary is available, and may help with translations into English for certain terms. We should be very wary of machine translation, and I've already corrected one of them in the WP:LEADSENTENCE of the article, which defined the plot as happening among "articulations" of people in government (should've been, a "network" of people). If there are terms you need that ought to be in the glossary and are not, please list them below, along with the context (surrounding sentence, and link). Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 04:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
This is the breaking news article from Jan 8 2023 Elinruby ( talk) 05:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Since this is developing now, it's obviously too soon to have an "Impact" section, but it's not too soon to place this in context of the events which have been roiling Brazil since Bolsonaro first came to power (and possibly before). We should start a "Background" section (or, "Introduction", or whatever) and provide context for the events being reported in this article. Mathglot ( talk) 07:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Torimem: just making sure I understand what happened on the Anderson Torres page: "Brasilia Federal District" is wrong because it isn't a municipal position? Just making sure I understand, because I think I did that here too, not expecting Americans to know that Brazil has one. And thanks, this is exactly the sort of thing I asked you to help us with. The US has a federal district also but its mayor is not in the federal cabinet. Elinruby ( talk) 08:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC) hin
I realize that there is probably too much here for any one person to explain in one sitting but if we get the chronology straight in the timeline (start by Googling dates), then sum the evidence (RFI calls it damning) in the evidence section, are we headed in the right direction? Elinruby ( talk) 11:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Plausible if it was a PDF if I am understanding this. We should try to update this point, which should be better explained if pertinent or deleted if it turns out to not apply. Elinruby ( talk) 21:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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doing a first pass. I am pretty familiar with the events of the coup but haven't followed the judicial proceedings. Bottom line, if I introduce an error, feel free to correct it without consulting me. My primary question at the moment involves the attempt to suppress the Anderson Torres document. My change of "requested" to "moved" assumed that this was a formal court filing. Elinruby ( talk) 21:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
they do exist, but I need to do a couple of things before it gets dark. Will work on this a bit later if nobody else is on it by then
PS added Bolsonaro's denial of guilt to the lede. Elinruby ( talk) 22:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Some terms in the Brazilian article are questionably linked in the Portuguese article, and we shouldn't automatically pick up those links on our translation. For example, estado de defesa is something defined in article 136 of the Brazilian Constitution; in pt-wiki, it is pipe-linked to pt:Estado de exceção, a theory by German jurist Carl Schmitt, and in our article to State of exception, in section § Draft of the coup. Does the Brazilian Constitution's article 136 really come from a German jurist of the 1920s? Maybe, but there's no citation here for that (there, neither) and we shouldn't link it if we're not sure. Editors at pt-wiki are more lax about WP:Verifiability than here, and we shouldn't just assume what editors there are doing is sourced well enough for here. Mathglot ( talk) 04:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC) updated by Mathglot ( talk) 04:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Remember that the Brazil Political, Legal, and Governmental Glossary is available, and may help with translations into English for certain terms. We should be very wary of machine translation, and I've already corrected one of them in the WP:LEADSENTENCE of the article, which defined the plot as happening among "articulations" of people in government (should've been, a "network" of people). If there are terms you need that ought to be in the glossary and are not, please list them below, along with the context (surrounding sentence, and link). Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 04:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
This is the breaking news article from Jan 8 2023 Elinruby ( talk) 05:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Since this is developing now, it's obviously too soon to have an "Impact" section, but it's not too soon to place this in context of the events which have been roiling Brazil since Bolsonaro first came to power (and possibly before). We should start a "Background" section (or, "Introduction", or whatever) and provide context for the events being reported in this article. Mathglot ( talk) 07:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Torimem: just making sure I understand what happened on the Anderson Torres page: "Brasilia Federal District" is wrong because it isn't a municipal position? Just making sure I understand, because I think I did that here too, not expecting Americans to know that Brazil has one. And thanks, this is exactly the sort of thing I asked you to help us with. The US has a federal district also but its mayor is not in the federal cabinet. Elinruby ( talk) 08:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC) hin
I realize that there is probably too much here for any one person to explain in one sitting but if we get the chronology straight in the timeline (start by Googling dates), then sum the evidence (RFI calls it damning) in the evidence section, are we headed in the right direction? Elinruby ( talk) 11:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Plausible if it was a PDF if I am understanding this. We should try to update this point, which should be better explained if pertinent or deleted if it turns out to not apply. Elinruby ( talk) 21:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)