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Created by Myxomatosis57 ( talk) and Chidgk1 ( talk). Nominated by Chidgk1 ( talk) at 14:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC).
If you are happy with the hook I will add the source. Chidgk1 ( talk) 14:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
When I click "English" on the archive I get a message "The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL." As it is blocked here could somebody outside Turkey look on https://atesincocuklariinisiyatifi.com/en and see if the arson claim is there in English please Chidgk1 ( talk) 08:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I don’t agree. We also have a primary source for the claim. The discussion on the Turkish vikipedi does not refer to the original statement. It’s very obvious they claimed it, and of course it’s not proven that they did it or not (yet). And I think the way how it is reflected in the article is quite balanced. Roguehider ( talk) 12:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Gogolplex: @ Roguehider: Could you possibly add a link here to the discussion on Turkish Wikipedia? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I asked generally on Turkish Vikipedia about a year ago but no reply. Any idea? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
This is a very hard question. You develop a sense over years, therefore it’s quite subjective. Roguehider ( talk) 07:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Gogolplex Roguehider Hooray I see someone has now created https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar As I have never heard of Karar could one of you add it to the list? Chidgk1 ( talk) 11:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I couldn’t know if I should be the one to mark it. As I’ve opened the discussion. I think I’ll wait a couple of days and tick if there are no further discusssion. With regards to PolitikYol, I have never heard of them. Roguehider ( talk) 12:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Whoever tagged "unreliable source" do you mean "Yeni Şafak" or "Karar" or both? The discussion at https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/Duyuru_panosu#Karar_(Gazete) has ben closed but https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar#Kaynaklar still shows it as under discussion. Chidgk1 ( talk) 12:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
So I guess we’ll need to assume, reliable unless disputed. What do you think? Roguehider ( talk) 13:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Merhaba Türkler - could any native Turkish speakers reading this try and bring the discussion about Yeni Şafak at https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/Duyuru_panosu#Albayrak_Medya_Grubu_bile%C5%9Fenleri to an official conclusion and update https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar with a suitable color? It is being used again as a cite here. Chidgk1 ( talk) 11:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
So, I was anticipating this mistake from a Turkish source, and I think we have a very Daily Sabah moment in our hands. @ Chidgk1, you are definitely not at fault for making this edit, but sadly it is the victim of a rather interesting error. It mentions (and indeed you do in the article) that the burnt forest was of the state tree of Minnesota, the red pine ( resinosa); a pine that not only does not, but can not exist in the Mediterranean climate of southern Turkey. In fact, the red pine's closest relative is the scots pine ( sylvestris) which, similarly to the red pine, only grows in areas with cold winters (ex. north-central Turkey, higher ground around cities like Bolu). Most likely, what they mean is the Turkish pine ( brutia), which is in fact called the equivalent of red pine in Turkish.
The reason I'm not making the edit yet is because I want to get an opinion from more experienced editors on what is best practice in this situation. Should I fix the source in clear cut cases like this, or does that still count as a Wikipedia:No original research violation? And if it does, I'm guessing that deleting the source would be best practice, but, well, is it? Uness232 ( talk) 22:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by
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Created by Myxomatosis57 ( talk) and Chidgk1 ( talk). Nominated by Chidgk1 ( talk) at 14:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC).
If you are happy with the hook I will add the source. Chidgk1 ( talk) 14:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
When I click "English" on the archive I get a message "The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL." As it is blocked here could somebody outside Turkey look on https://atesincocuklariinisiyatifi.com/en and see if the arson claim is there in English please Chidgk1 ( talk) 08:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I don’t agree. We also have a primary source for the claim. The discussion on the Turkish vikipedi does not refer to the original statement. It’s very obvious they claimed it, and of course it’s not proven that they did it or not (yet). And I think the way how it is reflected in the article is quite balanced. Roguehider ( talk) 12:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Gogolplex: @ Roguehider: Could you possibly add a link here to the discussion on Turkish Wikipedia? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I asked generally on Turkish Vikipedia about a year ago but no reply. Any idea? Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
This is a very hard question. You develop a sense over years, therefore it’s quite subjective. Roguehider ( talk) 07:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Gogolplex Roguehider Hooray I see someone has now created https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar As I have never heard of Karar could one of you add it to the list? Chidgk1 ( talk) 11:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I couldn’t know if I should be the one to mark it. As I’ve opened the discussion. I think I’ll wait a couple of days and tick if there are no further discusssion. With regards to PolitikYol, I have never heard of them. Roguehider ( talk) 12:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Whoever tagged "unreliable source" do you mean "Yeni Şafak" or "Karar" or both? The discussion at https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/Duyuru_panosu#Karar_(Gazete) has ben closed but https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar#Kaynaklar still shows it as under discussion. Chidgk1 ( talk) 12:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
So I guess we’ll need to assume, reliable unless disputed. What do you think? Roguehider ( talk) 13:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Merhaba Türkler - could any native Turkish speakers reading this try and bring the discussion about Yeni Şafak at https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/Duyuru_panosu#Albayrak_Medya_Grubu_bile%C5%9Fenleri to an official conclusion and update https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:G%C3%BCvenilir_kaynaklar/M%C3%BCtemadi_kaynaklar with a suitable color? It is being used again as a cite here. Chidgk1 ( talk) 11:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
So, I was anticipating this mistake from a Turkish source, and I think we have a very Daily Sabah moment in our hands. @ Chidgk1, you are definitely not at fault for making this edit, but sadly it is the victim of a rather interesting error. It mentions (and indeed you do in the article) that the burnt forest was of the state tree of Minnesota, the red pine ( resinosa); a pine that not only does not, but can not exist in the Mediterranean climate of southern Turkey. In fact, the red pine's closest relative is the scots pine ( sylvestris) which, similarly to the red pine, only grows in areas with cold winters (ex. north-central Turkey, higher ground around cities like Bolu). Most likely, what they mean is the Turkish pine ( brutia), which is in fact called the equivalent of red pine in Turkish.
The reason I'm not making the edit yet is because I want to get an opinion from more experienced editors on what is best practice in this situation. Should I fix the source in clear cut cases like this, or does that still count as a Wikipedia:No original research violation? And if it does, I'm guessing that deleting the source would be best practice, but, well, is it? Uness232 ( talk) 22:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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