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Has there been any mention of why Russia and Canada were swapped. I know that the organizer can do that, curious why though. 18abruce ( talk) 19:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The article speaks of two teams being relegated but, as there is no Division I tournament in 2021, who would be promoted in their stead? Is the relegation information still current or outdated? Calistemon ( talk) 03:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Ravenswing has removed over 3000 characters worth of source referenced content discussing how the location of the Championships is controversial. His argument is that it dwarves other content. I don't know what other content he proposes to put into an article about an event that hasn't yet taken place. All the content is not irrelevant as has been duly explained for him (if reading the content was not enough), this is a politicized debate which there is ample reason to discuss. Rene Frasel the president of IIHF has done a public Q&A online where he answers very detailed questions about the situation in Belarus and IIHF's stand [1]. Do the facts around the reason for why the event is hosted in Belarus, and why that is controversial not belong in the article about the event? But rather which article? Jabbi ( talk) 17:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
That being said, it is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It is that I do not agree with what you are saying. The distinction should not be difficult to grasp. Ravenswing 18:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Ravenswing So you are saying the fact that the president of the Belarusian Ice Hockey Federation received a travel ban to the co-hosting country of this championship because of his alleged involvement in a killing incident is irrelevant? So what are relevant facts according to you?-- KastusK ( talk) 19:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Ravenswing Why do you delete well-sourced information from the article including statements by the European Parliament, the Latvian Prime Minister and or the German Foreign Minister without giving a reason? How is the statement "We will do everything possible for the world championship to take place in Minsk. We will make every effort.” by Fasel more relevant acccording to you than the statement of the Prime Minister of the country which is going to co-host this event?-- KastusK ( talk) 12:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there are two main reasons for it being controversial to co-host the Championships in Belarus:
In addition to this,
It is clearly within the scope of this article to explore these circumstances in fair detail. I find this December 4 news article to give a very good overview of what's at stake here.
Jabbi ( talk) 01:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Ravenswing, you have greatly simplified the context of the controversy to "In the wake of the ongoing 2020–2021 Belarusian protests and the human rights violations by Belarusian authorities, several political groups, politicians and international entities have protested tournament matches being held in Belarus, and have called for Belarus to be stripped of co-hosting duties." while putting forward accusations of me and another user of having a political agenda. I do not think it is productive to debate those accusations but rather just focus on the objective facts of the matter.
I am content that we are aiming for a compromise and in that spirit I am suggesting a more accurate paragraph.
I take particular issue with: "several political groups, politicians and international entities"
This is vague.
This diminishes the severity of the issue.
I understand that you are enthusiastic about the sport aspect of ice hockey, which is all good and well. But this particular sports events has political significance, this article is where this content belongs because these are properties of the event, it's just that it holds further significance than it should under normal circumstances. Consider the Football War a brief war fought during and named after the 1970 FIFA World Cup qualification, it is very briefly mentioned under the content on the actual qualification because it merits independent coverage. We can't do that in this case so it has to go under event content. Jabbi ( talk) 17:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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The tournament is under IIHF guidelines. The IIHF uses the official Russian flag on their website as well as the "RUS" abbreviation, whereas Wikipedia uses the Olympic flag for the Russian Ice Hockey something or other, in a tournament that has nothing to do with the Olympics. Here's the website: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2021/wm Can someone either explain why that's the case, or change the flag to the Russian Flag? 47.144.159.125 ( talk) 21:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Can someone make like low resolution fair use SVG file of the logo, I tried but Wikimedia Commons, but Wikimedia keeps telling me Found href to unsafe data: URI target'. — Pewdiepie12321 ( talk) 12:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Currently, they have all 9 points and are in order: Germany, Canada, Latvia.
The info under table says: "Rules for classification: 1) points; 2) head-to-head points; 3) head-to-head goal difference; 4) head-to-head number of goals scored; 5) result against closest best-ranked team outside tied teams; 6) result against second-best ranked team outside tied teams; 7) seeding before tournament."
So, let's follow these:
1) all have same,
2) Germany 3 Canada 0 Latvia 3,
3) Germany +2 Canada -4 Latvia +2,
4) Germany 3 Canada 1 Latvia 2
So, according to these rules, I get: 4 Germany 5 Latvia 6 Canada. When tied in overall points Canada should always be behind Germany and Latvia because they lost to both of them. They seem to be ranked by overall goal difference, but that's not what the rules say.
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The section 2021 IIHF World Championship#Statistics is now completely broken - since the Template:Ihicon is being condidered from deletion. (The table is basically unreadable, the most place is taken by the announcement that this template is considered for deletion.) Can something else be used instead - at least until this is resolved? -- Kompik ( talk) 15:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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Has there been any mention of why Russia and Canada were swapped. I know that the organizer can do that, curious why though. 18abruce ( talk) 19:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The article speaks of two teams being relegated but, as there is no Division I tournament in 2021, who would be promoted in their stead? Is the relegation information still current or outdated? Calistemon ( talk) 03:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Ravenswing has removed over 3000 characters worth of source referenced content discussing how the location of the Championships is controversial. His argument is that it dwarves other content. I don't know what other content he proposes to put into an article about an event that hasn't yet taken place. All the content is not irrelevant as has been duly explained for him (if reading the content was not enough), this is a politicized debate which there is ample reason to discuss. Rene Frasel the president of IIHF has done a public Q&A online where he answers very detailed questions about the situation in Belarus and IIHF's stand [1]. Do the facts around the reason for why the event is hosted in Belarus, and why that is controversial not belong in the article about the event? But rather which article? Jabbi ( talk) 17:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
That being said, it is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It is that I do not agree with what you are saying. The distinction should not be difficult to grasp. Ravenswing 18:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Ravenswing So you are saying the fact that the president of the Belarusian Ice Hockey Federation received a travel ban to the co-hosting country of this championship because of his alleged involvement in a killing incident is irrelevant? So what are relevant facts according to you?-- KastusK ( talk) 19:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Ravenswing Why do you delete well-sourced information from the article including statements by the European Parliament, the Latvian Prime Minister and or the German Foreign Minister without giving a reason? How is the statement "We will do everything possible for the world championship to take place in Minsk. We will make every effort.” by Fasel more relevant acccording to you than the statement of the Prime Minister of the country which is going to co-host this event?-- KastusK ( talk) 12:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there are two main reasons for it being controversial to co-host the Championships in Belarus:
In addition to this,
It is clearly within the scope of this article to explore these circumstances in fair detail. I find this December 4 news article to give a very good overview of what's at stake here.
Jabbi ( talk) 01:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Ravenswing, you have greatly simplified the context of the controversy to "In the wake of the ongoing 2020–2021 Belarusian protests and the human rights violations by Belarusian authorities, several political groups, politicians and international entities have protested tournament matches being held in Belarus, and have called for Belarus to be stripped of co-hosting duties." while putting forward accusations of me and another user of having a political agenda. I do not think it is productive to debate those accusations but rather just focus on the objective facts of the matter.
I am content that we are aiming for a compromise and in that spirit I am suggesting a more accurate paragraph.
I take particular issue with: "several political groups, politicians and international entities"
This is vague.
This diminishes the severity of the issue.
I understand that you are enthusiastic about the sport aspect of ice hockey, which is all good and well. But this particular sports events has political significance, this article is where this content belongs because these are properties of the event, it's just that it holds further significance than it should under normal circumstances. Consider the Football War a brief war fought during and named after the 1970 FIFA World Cup qualification, it is very briefly mentioned under the content on the actual qualification because it merits independent coverage. We can't do that in this case so it has to go under event content. Jabbi ( talk) 17:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
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The tournament is under IIHF guidelines. The IIHF uses the official Russian flag on their website as well as the "RUS" abbreviation, whereas Wikipedia uses the Olympic flag for the Russian Ice Hockey something or other, in a tournament that has nothing to do with the Olympics. Here's the website: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2021/wm Can someone either explain why that's the case, or change the flag to the Russian Flag? 47.144.159.125 ( talk) 21:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Can someone make like low resolution fair use SVG file of the logo, I tried but Wikimedia Commons, but Wikimedia keeps telling me Found href to unsafe data: URI target'. — Pewdiepie12321 ( talk) 12:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Currently, they have all 9 points and are in order: Germany, Canada, Latvia.
The info under table says: "Rules for classification: 1) points; 2) head-to-head points; 3) head-to-head goal difference; 4) head-to-head number of goals scored; 5) result against closest best-ranked team outside tied teams; 6) result against second-best ranked team outside tied teams; 7) seeding before tournament."
So, let's follow these:
1) all have same,
2) Germany 3 Canada 0 Latvia 3,
3) Germany +2 Canada -4 Latvia +2,
4) Germany 3 Canada 1 Latvia 2
So, according to these rules, I get: 4 Germany 5 Latvia 6 Canada. When tied in overall points Canada should always be behind Germany and Latvia because they lost to both of them. They seem to be ranked by overall goal difference, but that's not what the rules say.
109.240.202.49 (
talk) 02:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The section 2021 IIHF World Championship#Statistics is now completely broken - since the Template:Ihicon is being condidered from deletion. (The table is basically unreadable, the most place is taken by the announcement that this template is considered for deletion.) Can something else be used instead - at least until this is resolved? -- Kompik ( talk) 15:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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