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So, the leaders are meeting Trudeau this week and after each of their meetings with him, they've highlighted areas of common ground. We have many reliable sources that show this. We also have the meetings already mentioned here. I'm just hesitant about where to put it, which is why I'm asking. It's either in the Timeline or in the Background section. I think the Background section is the best place. We should probably add a sub-heading though. It feels important to me, since this is a minority Parliament so these areas of common ground will have impacts on the longevity of the Parliament (i.e. it will have impacts on when this next election could happen). What do you think Doug Mehus, GoodDay and Ahunt?
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I recommend we keep Scheer in the infobox until he's replaced as the Conservative party leader. Note, he's said he'll remain as party leader, until successor is chosen. GoodDay ( talk) 18:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Whatever you think best :) GoodDay ( talk) 00:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
There seems to be some contradictions on Andrew Scheer's current status. Some sources mention him as the interim leader, while others do not. Examples of those sources are above. What do you think we should do? Keep each page as it is (i.e. he's staying on until a successor is chosen, since some sources say that) or should we mention him as the interim leader, which other sources say. - MikkelJSmith ( talk) 17:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Scheer says he will remain party leader until a successor is chosen, but the Conservative constitution actually says that decisions about interim leadership fall to caucus, not the incumbent.This is further confirmed by the National Post (
Scheer needed the support of the Conservative caucus to stay on as interim leader and members met in an emergency meeting Thursday night to confirm that.) and the CBC (
Following the resignation, the party caucus voted unanimously to keep him on as interim leader.). I think the confusing is stemming from Scheer's stated intention of staying on as leader (even though he didn't have the ability to decide that), and that caucus granted that. Practically speaking this can be seen as "staying on", but formally he resigned and was then named interim leader.
Mike Van Soelen, a former Conservative staffer, said the party is focused on who’s running to be the next leader, not Scheer. He said people actively involved are excited about the different names that could be put forward and that the Conservative caucus is comfortable with Scheer acting as interim leader meanwhile.
“I don’t really believe people are fussing about whether Andrew Scheer continues to be interim leader,” he said. “I can’t see how that would have any impact on ultimately what’s going to happen and where this party goes.”
Well this just got a whole lot more convoluted. So according to this, Scheer announced his resignation, the caucus convened to select an interim leader, Scheer said he'd like to stay on actually, and they just acquiesced to that without a vote? I'm not an expert in the CPC constitution, but since they didn't follow the proper procedure, that would suggest to me that Scheer did not formally resign and is in fact still full leader (albeit in a lame-duck, outgoing capacity). Oy. I guess I'll change my !vote to support the status quo and current wording as the best option. As GoodDay puts it below, the question is whether he's leader or interim leader, and absent any de jure confirmation we're left with a confusing story and conflicting information, so I think it best to describe the situation as it fits de facto, which is that Scheer is continuing on until he's succeeded. — Kawnhr ( talk) 03:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Just want to clarify. We're not questioning whether Scheer is the Leader of the Opposition or that he's the party's caucus leader. We're only concerned with whether he's Leader of the Conservative Party, or just Interim Leader. GoodDay ( talk) 22:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm not certain that the Rfc was closed properly. I believe you need to request a review & closure, at the appropriate place. GoodDay ( talk) 05:49, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
It appears as though the consensus is that Scheer is still leader of the Conservative Party & not interim leader. GoodDay ( talk) 22:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
The depiction of the Liberals as blue and Conservatives as red is wrong. The national party colours in Canada are Liberal red, and Conservative blue. Reversing it produces entirely the wrong impression. I am removing the graph as misleading, until it is fixed. 174.3.236.243 ( talk) 17:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Friendly pings to the previous discussion participants ( MikkelJSmith2, Kawnhr, GoodDay, and Ahunt)
I wanted to briefly revisit the previous discussion on Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer's status as party leader. First, I'm fine with the resolution of dropping the "interim" moniker - that was my main issue, as I recall. Nevertheless, it occurred to me that, in the context of this page, Scheer will not be the Leader of the Conservatives in the future 44th Canadian federal election—unless said election occurs within the next 2-3 months, which seems most unlikely given the positions of the BQ, NDP, and Liberals. Thus, for 44th Canadian federal election, we may want to list the Conservative leader as "vacant". Scheer should still be listed as Conservative leader in related party and parliamentary articles as he very much is, but we know he won't be leader in the next election, no?
Likewise, Jo-Ann Roberts should not be listed as the Green leader as she is only interim party leader and has no formal role in policy development. She is a mere figurehead until such time as the Greens elect a new leader.
Basically, this is an article about the future, which I'm not sure we are creating articles about future events to be honest, but if that's our practice, then I think the infobox should at least reflect what we know will not likely happen or who will not likely be the leader at a given future date. Bearcat, have we always done this? It seems odd that we create articles for future events, so am pinging you for your expertise. Perhaps a move to the Draft namespace might be better?
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The Conservatives have started tweeting their candidates for the next election. At what point should the riding-by-riding list of candidates be created? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
With Bill C-19 having been proposed by the federal government, there is a possibility that the 44th Canadian federal election is held under the act, with a three day polling period. In that event for the purpose of the election date in the article, I am assuming we will use the precedent of the 1867 and 1872 Federal Elections and use that format on the 3 day polling period. Would that be correct? -- WanukeX ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to discuss this good faith edit by Ahunt. I think it is correct that listing every candidate on the main page is likely WP:TRIVIA, but it is appropriate to include it in a riding by riding nomination/results page like was done for 2019. This should likely not be done on the main article though, as 338 riding will create a table far to large for the main page. I expect it is likely fine for editors to begin a page like that filling in candidates that have been nominated in each riding (of course party nominations will not be official until Elections Canada confirms their registration). I note candidates are also often listed on the riding pages (see Papineau (electoral district) for an example). This is often done both before an election and after. So, I think the issue is really more one of "should all candidates be listed on the main page?" not "should they be listed anywhere in the encyclopedia?".-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 22:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I've been ordering this by surname of the incumbent. Previously this was done as bullet lists by party. I'd like a consensus on how to order the incumbents in table form. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 19:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
FWIIW, I don't think it is appropriate/neutral for us to list the retiring MP, and then only the nominee from the same party that will be running (but not the nominees of other parties). This somewhat assumes a hold for the party, when in reality a retiring MP can create a competitive race (and encourage other parties to run high profile candidates there). I would rather just leave that field out and include all the candidates in the Candidates nominated, and eventually "results by riding" when we get that section going.-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 00:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I notice that this page uses a table format for the section, while the section on the 2019 election's page uses a plain list. Similarly, 2019 Alberta general election and 2019 Manitoba general election both use tables, but 2020 British Columbia general election and 2019 Newfoundland and Labrador general election use plain lists. I guess it's not really a big deal, but I think it would be best if there was a consistent approach to this (whichever it may be). — Kawnhr ( talk) 17:50, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
The leader of one of the single-candidate parties last election was charged with a hate crime last month.
Is this noteworthy? Should we ignore the fringe parties in general or just those whose controversies are a surprise to noöne? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 03:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I have a draft I am working on for a candidate article ( Draft:Phil De Luna) that was moved out of article space before the candidacy had been noted. I have been asked to take it to AfC, which I don't mind, but I understand that can take months. I don't want to cause a problem by moving back to article space prematurely but the candidacy does add notability to an already fairly strong bio and I'd hate to miss the election.
Any thoughts on how to proceed? Is there an admin editor here who might help me with AfC? I am a Green volunteer but not in any official capacity for the party. I've edited sporadically over the years but am unfamiliar with some of the newer procedures. Thanks. Greenbound ( talk) 23:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps, we should be pointing out that since January 22, 2021, the governor generalship has been vacant. GoodDay ( talk) 03:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
The by-election was never actually called (no writ) so it couldn't be cancelled. I'm drawing a blank on a simple way to word the distinction between cancelling the by-election and rendering the requirement moot. Anyone? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
an expected by-election was rendered moot by the commencement of the general election? - Ahunt ( talk) 01:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I figured since the campaign's officially kicked off, there will be some new images uploaded. Should we update the images of various leaders, once these are released?
Also, just a quick side-note: The only reason I created this section is because I have a bit of OCD and like to make new things once something's began or ended and also because I found a pretty good looking image of O'Toole. xD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan Persaud ( talk • contribs)
There seems to be some sort of mini conflict over Trudeau's image in the infobox.
I myself think that this photo fits better with the rest of the leaders. Ak-eater06 ( talk) 19:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Just for completeness' sake, here's all the images that have been used for Trudeau lately (if I missed one, feel free to edit it into the gallery):
— Kawnhr ( talk) 19:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
The thing about the current image of him (Prime Minister Trudeau delivers a message on Christmas.png) is that its quality is bad like most video stills. My subjective opinion is that its blurriness creates too much constract with O'Toole's high definition photo. Maybe newer and better images will get uploaded as the election campaign goes on. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 21:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I just wish we had a new, HD photo of him. But unfortunately, everything I've seen on Flickr is either outdated or has all rights reserved to the original author. 🙁 Aryan Persaud ( talk) 22:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Well lads, looks like we've reached consensus. 2019 image it is! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan Persaud ( talk • contribs)
Does Michel Boudrias belong on the list? He was refused the nomination by his party rather than announcing he wouldn't run again. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 14:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
After searching again, I have found a recent Blanchet Picture but I was wondering if it was good since he was smiling. It was found on French Wikipedia. For reference, we established in 2019 through consensus that the picture of a leader should not look at another leader, should be high quality and not include flags. There's also the neutrality of the picture rule we had that was established before that.
Granted, I'm not sure about that last rule...
Then, I remembered that one of the PET pictures we use has him smiling and I saw that O'Toole is smiling, which confused me.
So, I'm asking here.
Would this one be appropriate to use for the 2019 and 2021 election infobox? It is more recent than the 2009 picture.
What do you think Ahunt, GoodDay, G. Timothy Walton, Kawnhr, Aryan Persaud (I'm asking people that were involved in the Trudeau picture consensus above)? - MikkelJSmith ( talk) 16:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
This is be the third time I've had to revert anonymous attempts to shift the Liberal and Conservative positions to the left or remove the Liberals entirely. I don't expect this to stop, given the boost social media gives to fringe beliefs. Once was on the Canadian political parties page.
Am I overreacting or can a case be made for page protection? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
the encyclopedia that anyone can editand this is a high-public-interest page that may bring us new recruits as editors, I would prefer to leave the page open and just be vigilant and revert vandalism on sight instead. - Ahunt ( talk) 01:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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With multiple reliable sources confirming that the PM is going to Rideau Hall on the weekend to dissolve Parliament and that the election will be held on Sept 20, should we rename/move the page?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-call-trudeau-1.6138794
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1816186/elections-scrutin-federal-gouvernement-trudeau
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/08/12/liberal-government-to-call-snap-election-report/
MikkelJSmith ( talk) 16:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I support the name change, as these reliable sources have confirmed the matter. Rushtheeditor ( talk) 17:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation or presumptions. Wikipedia does not predict the future.These media sources are speculation, nothing more, quoting "unnamed sources", not presenting facts. - Ahunt ( talk) 18:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Even if the PM made a public statement of intentions, that does not mean an election will be held - that is the GG's purview to grant it or not. " Dissolution of Parliament is not automatic and Gov. Gen. Mary Simon could say no — although that would be a rare move out of line with parliamentary tradition." We still need a dissolution to change the article. - Ahunt ( talk) 21:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
There's no big hurry. Let's wait until the governor general dissolves the 43rd Parliament & sets the federal election date. GoodDay ( talk) 22:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Looks like we need a template at the top of the page telling people to refer here before making changes. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 17:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
There were some recent edits to the text of the article claiming a 2021 election, which have not been officially announced by the government. As a result, I renamed this section from name change to 2021 Election not official yet to make the discussion easier to find — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.127.186.124 ( talk • contribs)
Everyone should follow WP:NORUSH and wait for an election to be called. It's likely to be in September - but they can still decide not to call for one. Nfitz ( talk) 20:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I just up-scaled this image. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prime_Minister_Trudeau%27s_message_on_International_Youth_Day_(Cropped).png.
Now, I know an agreement was just reached over the image dispute at /info/en/?search=Talk:2021_Canadian_federal_election#So_let's_talk_about_Trudeau's_photo but that was before I up-scaled this image so I'm requesting a consensus change.
I just want to know should the current image be kept or changed to this? (Proposed image on right of page)
- Editor50545 ( talk) 18:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I guess the suggested image is fine, but I don't see why this needs to be changed in the first place… I don't think it's an issue for the same image to be used across multiple elections in instances where the person in question looks basically the same.— Kawnhr ( talk) 17:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
An anon 2607:fea8:e263:a900:b9d8:f3f:a994:3e2c ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), has tried to unsuccessfully link to https://www.flickr.com/photos/193295580@N03/51377085135/, however that source is not legally disseminating that work. I ran an search on the image itself, https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51377085135_fbcb604768_h.jpg, and it was previously published. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
So, I know we were talking about the Trudeau image earlier, however.. after checking around on Flickr, I found numerous freely licensed images of JT (Justin Trudeau).
Here's one that I already uploaded, and is awaiting review from an Admin, mainly so I can crop it.
Ahunt MikkelJSmith What do you think lads?
Aryan Persaud ( talk) 23:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion related to this article, is occurring. GoodDay ( talk) 18:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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The fact that the PPC is not listed just proves how easy the politically biased moderators can push their agenda on Wikipedia. This is why I stopped donating to Wikipedia years ago. NoWikiNoLife ( talk) 01:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
@ NoWikiNoLife: AFAIK, we established a "gotta have a seat" inclusion criteria, some time ago. GoodDay ( talk) 17:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm rather concerned about the 'strange' fiddling around with posts in this discussion, by 50.67.13.101 IP. GoodDay ( talk) 20:51, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Given the fact that the Conservative plaform has been released today, should a platform table similar to that found in 2019 Canadian federal election#Platforms be added now or should we wait until other parties release theirs? Username 6892 01:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Listening to Erin O'Toole on the radio, it sounded like he wants to encourage the private sector to build 1 million homes, not that the Federal Government is going to build 1 million homes over the next three years. I think this more detail is needed on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk)
The Foreign Policy row for the Conservatives lists "Boycott World Conference on Racism in 2021." It cites page 154 of their platform, however I don't see anything on that on that page, which is about online media. (It's entirely possible that this is a position of that party, but it's definitely not on the page which is cited.) - MagikM18 ( talk) 22:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Just noted that the part about recognizing Israel also cites the same page; nothing about foreign policy is present on that page. - MagikM18 ( talk) 22:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I just want to state for the record that the Green Party of Canada has opted to release their platform positions in stages and then compile them into a final document before voting begins. Thus, their platform positions will not be filled all at once. Here is the source: https://ipolitics.ca/2021/08/20/green-party-to-release-its-platform-in-pieces/ MPen92 ( talk) 19:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
What say we just kill the column, already? If we leave it in it's going to be a neverending reversion battle. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 21:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
(1) The Conservative Party immigration policy in the large table should be amended. It reads that the Tories want to amend the Safe Third Country Agreement to prevent "Americans" from seeking asylum in Canada. Reading the source (CPC manifesto), the policy is aimed at asylees passing through or landing first in the US and then crossing illegally into Canada. (2) Why is every article locked these days? Editors are out of control. 2601:5C6:8180:BAD0:25C6:C7AB:6E22:FCE8 ( talk) 16:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please add "Maxime Bernier" from the PPC ( people's party of Canada) to your list. He is the only one who got left out. Thank you. 68.146.36.202 ( talk) 18:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
I have edited the lead paragraph to conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, namely WP:REDUNDANCY and WP:AVOIDBOLD. I changed it from
The 2021 Canadian federal election will take place on September 20, 2021, to elect members of the House of Commons to the 44th Canadian Parliament after Governor General Mary Simon dissolved Parliament on August 15, 2021, at the request of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
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Members of the House of Commons of the 44th Canadian Parliament will be elected on September 20, 2021. Governor General Mary Simon dissolved Parliament on August 15, 2021, at the request of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
In the edit summary I pointed to the Manual of Style and wrote that links are more useful than boldface for the sake of boldface. (The guideline supplement Wikipedia:Superfluous bolding explained is also pertinent.) The edit was reverted by Ahunt, who claims that it "serves no purpose". I am curious about what is meant by that. Surtsicna ( talk) 12:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
If an article's title is a formal or widely accepted name for the subject, display it in bold as early as possible in the first sentence. You need a good reason to not follow that and use the alternatives. MOS:AVOIDBOLD says
If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. Instead, simply describe the subject in normal English, avoiding redundancy, but that is not the case here, since the standard bolded lead reads fine as it is. As far as filling the lead with links goes, see WP:OVERLINK and WP:SEAOFBLUE. I am interested to read what other editors working on this page think, since I was "thanked" for reverting your change to the lead. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Keep redundancy to a minimum in the first sentence. Use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the article. The title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead if the article title is descriptive.I believe Member of Parliament (Canada) and List of Canadian federal general elections are essential topics and that links to them do not qualify as overlinking; but I care more about the structure of the lead sentence. Surtsicna ( talk) 13:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
If the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text.Why should the article state that the 2021 Canadian federal election is an election in Canada in 2021? How do readers benefit from that? Surtsicna ( talk) 13:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Recommend an RFC on the topic, concerning all international elections. Federal level, provincial/state/territorial, mayoral levels, etc. Otherwise, we'll end up with said-articles out of sync & likely more reverts (thus a 'red box' with a high number on each of our user talkpages). For example: I'm guessing there'd by some resistance at the American & British election articles, to start with. Best to find out now, then the hard way later. GoodDay ( talk) 15:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
PS: Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums, would be an ideal place for an RFC. GoodDay ( talk) 16:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I'll leave the RfC discussion aside, and address the two MoS issues and COMMONNAME concern. We do not need to AVOIDBLUE if we can work the title of the article into the lede, and that seems to be case with this article. However, if 2021 Canadian federal election is not a common name, is it at least recognizable? What would you call the election? What do you see RSes calling it? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 18:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, Surtsicna hasn't been around Wikipedia, for over a week now. GoodDay ( talk) 02:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
You can't categorize parties objectively into a political spectrum especially in Canada. Party leaders and party platforms change over time and unless a trusted reference can be provided it should be removed. Sn1ker12 ( talk) 06:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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Can I please request that the Liberal PDF Platform be linked in? The PDF can be found here: https://2019.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2019/09/Forward-A-real-plan-for-the-middle-class.pdf and it has been released for public view. It is currently not listed in the box showing all party platforms. Alovell44 ( talk) 19:10, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Ummmm it still shows the names of Elizabeth May and Andrew Scheer..........lol. Ak-eater06 ( talk) 22:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Template:Canadian federal election, 2021 traditionally goes in the Results section. It seems reasonable to make it visible on this page now that it's ready. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please add all other Federal parties that are participating in this Election, under "Federal Parties". IE. VCP, Veteran's Coalition party of Canada, etc.
Its not respectable to keep hiding smaller ,non mainstream parties from the eyes of the public.
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19:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)Does this breach WP:CRYSTAL? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation or presumptions. Wikipedia does not predict the future.Does not belong in an encyclopedia. We will report the election results after the election is over, not before. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The national vote is mostly irrelevant, as it doesn't completely decide the federal election. The federal election is actually 338 simultaneously occurring elections, in which a party has to win the most votes in 'each' riding. See 2019 Canadian federal election, concerning the national popular vote. Note then, the party with the most votes, didn't get the most seats. GoodDay ( talk) 21:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I vote we turf it. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 21:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm in strong support of including predicted seat projections. This isn't WP:CRYSTAL at all, it's just reporting the opinions of professionals within the field of politics. It's done on many other national election articles as well, like in the US and New Zealand. It is a far more helpful metric than nationwide opinion polling which doesn't depict what the actual results could look like. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I feel a sections like this has its place in this article while recognizing the one we had before was totally unacceptable. But if we would fill each columns with brief information from reliable sources about the positions of the the Liberals, the NDP and the Tories simultaneously, such a section would be a useful addition to our article. Mottezen ( talk) 02:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article.If we are going to keep that, we really need to move it to the "external links" section and not right in the article text. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Should the People's Party platform be added to the "Policy platforms" section? I added it but it was undone with the stated reason being that they don't have a pdf version of it posted. I think it should be added because they are more than a single-issue party, they have candidates in over 90% of ridings, are included in national polling and their platform is covered along side the major parties in a secondary source. Does their lack of presentation options really trump all that? maclean ( talk) 18:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Other than the incumbency metric bit, which I think ignores the "distinct (and minuscule) minority" concept mentioned in WP:DUE, the rest of your first sentence is gibberish. Please rewrite it to define what "a fear comprehensive" and "protects excludes those without an incumbent" were intended to mean. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 04:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, I voted in an advance poll & my riding had five parties represented. They were the Liberal, Conservative, New Democratic, Green & People's parties. Does this help? GoodDay ( talk) 03:23, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
A good point was raised about the broadness of No endorsement as a column title. None of the above lends itself to referring to other parties. Can we come up with something better than either? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 17:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Also I think we should set a standard for what qualifies someone to be officially listed since Attaran who was posted earlier was kinda in the grey area for me. Should it be left to people with a wiki entry or just any endorsement that would provide encyclopedic value? - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 18:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Peoples Party of Canada With leader Maxine Bernier 24.67.92.169 ( talk) 14:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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A discussion here which may affect this article, is taking place. Input would be appreciated there. GoodDay ( talk) 15:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
(formally the 44th Canadian general election). - Ahunt ( talk) 11:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need a separate column for citations? It won't line up properly with more than one name entered. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
It should be noted that as of a short time ago today, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders endorsed Jagmeet Singh and the NDP via Twitter. Link: [6] -- 129.97.131.0 ( talk) 19:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Vermin Supreme has endorsed the Rhinoceros Party. I guess it's time to discuss how to handle an Other parties column. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 23:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Conrad Black belongs in, and WP:ENDORSE is being misapplied. Being published by major media, even as a commentary, qualifies as a "reliable independent source". The WP:ENDORSE point being cited specifically states that "[t]his means endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post, for example." G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 04:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Jean Chretien campaigned for the Liberals and endorsed Trudeau during his speech. Should we include him? I haven't edited this article in a while so I'm rusty, but as the election draws near, I'll start editing more. -- Aryan Persaud ( talk) 15:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
As an FYI, Andrew Weaver is a federal Liberal– it's a bit complicated. He tore up his Liberal membership in 2019 [7] and really is known mainly as a former provincial Green leader. His endorsement received a lot of coverage, and I would be inclined to include it. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 01:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The reality is that the exclusion of the Peoples Party and any mention on this page, despite polling above 6% beating both the Greens and Bloc, is a deliberate attempt to suppress knowledge and the truth. Wikipedia is a pro communist pro-lockdown far left organization which supports false "truths" promoted by fake news media. Any notion of "no bias" went out the window years ago. I am sure when Bernier wins his seat and the party gets over 5%, they will find some other reason to hide the party, rewriting history and pretending the PPC doesn't exist! -- 2607:FEA8:2C41:2400:60DD:7170:FB75:859E ( talk) 21:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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-Can someone add a note to the Liberal's candidate number of 338 that their candidate for Kitchener Centre, Raj Saini, will still be listed on the ballot but has been dropped as a candidate for the party? Source: News: Embattled Liberal candidate Raj Saini ends campaign for re-election. - Matticus333 ( talk) 03:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I think there are a few more areas where this incident is relevant (ie Timeline and Incumbents not running for re-election). I am busy at the moment if someone else doesn't mind adding it, if not I can add it in a bit. - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 20:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
We could add a Bozo candidates section for those disavowed by the their parties but unless they dropped out before the writ they don't belong in the Incumbents not running section. One could argue that those who dropped out between the writ and the end of candidate registration might go in Incumbents... but I don't think it fits the spirit of that section. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 18:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the candidates like Saini, the two NDP (Toronto-St. Paul's, the other riding I cant remember right now) and whatever other candidates...if they do get elected, they will sit an independents. so maybe have them as independent incumbents? MiroslavGlavic ( talk) 08:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
I added the aforementioned section. Feel free to make changes or update. - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 14:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
G. Timothy Walton thank you for the updates, they were needed touch ups, should we add something regarding the fact that Vuong's campaign is "paused?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The results templates for every previous election back through 1997 have been proposed for deletion ( Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 September 19) with the rationale that they should appear on the main article. I've tried to transfer the data but... frustration.
Would someone with fresh eyes be able to go through the articles and transfer all the template data?
While they're at it, maybe they could find where the 2008 results template data is hidden so I can correct the error(s) in that. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 20:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Looks like there should be a candidate loss noted for the Greens; their nominee in Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke has been dropped by the Green Party after making statements comparing vaccine passports to Nazism: [8]
Also, should we not be noting Marwan Tabbara from Kitchener South-Hespeler as an incumbent who is not running again, even though he made no formal announcement to that effect? [9] -- 129.97.131.0 ( talk) 15:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello, where do we want to put the "Results" section? Some argue that the results are released after the opinion polls, and, therefore , should be after the opinion polls section; but some may also argue that the results are more important and should be towards the top of the page. — Eric0892 ( talk) 22:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
The Liberals are credited with gaining 3 seats when in fact they only gained one since the last election. The Conservatives are credited with losing two seats based on the 2019 election. Be consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.40.75 ( talk)
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So, the leaders are meeting Trudeau this week and after each of their meetings with him, they've highlighted areas of common ground. We have many reliable sources that show this. We also have the meetings already mentioned here. I'm just hesitant about where to put it, which is why I'm asking. It's either in the Timeline or in the Background section. I think the Background section is the best place. We should probably add a sub-heading though. It feels important to me, since this is a minority Parliament so these areas of common ground will have impacts on the longevity of the Parliament (i.e. it will have impacts on when this next election could happen). What do you think Doug Mehus, GoodDay and Ahunt?
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I recommend we keep Scheer in the infobox until he's replaced as the Conservative party leader. Note, he's said he'll remain as party leader, until successor is chosen. GoodDay ( talk) 18:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Whatever you think best :) GoodDay ( talk) 00:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
There seems to be some contradictions on Andrew Scheer's current status. Some sources mention him as the interim leader, while others do not. Examples of those sources are above. What do you think we should do? Keep each page as it is (i.e. he's staying on until a successor is chosen, since some sources say that) or should we mention him as the interim leader, which other sources say. - MikkelJSmith ( talk) 17:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Scheer says he will remain party leader until a successor is chosen, but the Conservative constitution actually says that decisions about interim leadership fall to caucus, not the incumbent.This is further confirmed by the National Post (
Scheer needed the support of the Conservative caucus to stay on as interim leader and members met in an emergency meeting Thursday night to confirm that.) and the CBC (
Following the resignation, the party caucus voted unanimously to keep him on as interim leader.). I think the confusing is stemming from Scheer's stated intention of staying on as leader (even though he didn't have the ability to decide that), and that caucus granted that. Practically speaking this can be seen as "staying on", but formally he resigned and was then named interim leader.
Mike Van Soelen, a former Conservative staffer, said the party is focused on who’s running to be the next leader, not Scheer. He said people actively involved are excited about the different names that could be put forward and that the Conservative caucus is comfortable with Scheer acting as interim leader meanwhile.
“I don’t really believe people are fussing about whether Andrew Scheer continues to be interim leader,” he said. “I can’t see how that would have any impact on ultimately what’s going to happen and where this party goes.”
Well this just got a whole lot more convoluted. So according to this, Scheer announced his resignation, the caucus convened to select an interim leader, Scheer said he'd like to stay on actually, and they just acquiesced to that without a vote? I'm not an expert in the CPC constitution, but since they didn't follow the proper procedure, that would suggest to me that Scheer did not formally resign and is in fact still full leader (albeit in a lame-duck, outgoing capacity). Oy. I guess I'll change my !vote to support the status quo and current wording as the best option. As GoodDay puts it below, the question is whether he's leader or interim leader, and absent any de jure confirmation we're left with a confusing story and conflicting information, so I think it best to describe the situation as it fits de facto, which is that Scheer is continuing on until he's succeeded. — Kawnhr ( talk) 03:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Just want to clarify. We're not questioning whether Scheer is the Leader of the Opposition or that he's the party's caucus leader. We're only concerned with whether he's Leader of the Conservative Party, or just Interim Leader. GoodDay ( talk) 22:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm not certain that the Rfc was closed properly. I believe you need to request a review & closure, at the appropriate place. GoodDay ( talk) 05:49, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
It appears as though the consensus is that Scheer is still leader of the Conservative Party & not interim leader. GoodDay ( talk) 22:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
The depiction of the Liberals as blue and Conservatives as red is wrong. The national party colours in Canada are Liberal red, and Conservative blue. Reversing it produces entirely the wrong impression. I am removing the graph as misleading, until it is fixed. 174.3.236.243 ( talk) 17:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Friendly pings to the previous discussion participants ( MikkelJSmith2, Kawnhr, GoodDay, and Ahunt)
I wanted to briefly revisit the previous discussion on Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer's status as party leader. First, I'm fine with the resolution of dropping the "interim" moniker - that was my main issue, as I recall. Nevertheless, it occurred to me that, in the context of this page, Scheer will not be the Leader of the Conservatives in the future 44th Canadian federal election—unless said election occurs within the next 2-3 months, which seems most unlikely given the positions of the BQ, NDP, and Liberals. Thus, for 44th Canadian federal election, we may want to list the Conservative leader as "vacant". Scheer should still be listed as Conservative leader in related party and parliamentary articles as he very much is, but we know he won't be leader in the next election, no?
Likewise, Jo-Ann Roberts should not be listed as the Green leader as she is only interim party leader and has no formal role in policy development. She is a mere figurehead until such time as the Greens elect a new leader.
Basically, this is an article about the future, which I'm not sure we are creating articles about future events to be honest, but if that's our practice, then I think the infobox should at least reflect what we know will not likely happen or who will not likely be the leader at a given future date. Bearcat, have we always done this? It seems odd that we create articles for future events, so am pinging you for your expertise. Perhaps a move to the Draft namespace might be better?
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The Conservatives have started tweeting their candidates for the next election. At what point should the riding-by-riding list of candidates be created? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 00:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
With Bill C-19 having been proposed by the federal government, there is a possibility that the 44th Canadian federal election is held under the act, with a three day polling period. In that event for the purpose of the election date in the article, I am assuming we will use the precedent of the 1867 and 1872 Federal Elections and use that format on the 3 day polling period. Would that be correct? -- WanukeX ( talk) 18:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to discuss this good faith edit by Ahunt. I think it is correct that listing every candidate on the main page is likely WP:TRIVIA, but it is appropriate to include it in a riding by riding nomination/results page like was done for 2019. This should likely not be done on the main article though, as 338 riding will create a table far to large for the main page. I expect it is likely fine for editors to begin a page like that filling in candidates that have been nominated in each riding (of course party nominations will not be official until Elections Canada confirms their registration). I note candidates are also often listed on the riding pages (see Papineau (electoral district) for an example). This is often done both before an election and after. So, I think the issue is really more one of "should all candidates be listed on the main page?" not "should they be listed anywhere in the encyclopedia?".-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 22:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I've been ordering this by surname of the incumbent. Previously this was done as bullet lists by party. I'd like a consensus on how to order the incumbents in table form. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 19:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
FWIIW, I don't think it is appropriate/neutral for us to list the retiring MP, and then only the nominee from the same party that will be running (but not the nominees of other parties). This somewhat assumes a hold for the party, when in reality a retiring MP can create a competitive race (and encourage other parties to run high profile candidates there). I would rather just leave that field out and include all the candidates in the Candidates nominated, and eventually "results by riding" when we get that section going.-- Darryl Kerrigan ( talk) 00:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I notice that this page uses a table format for the section, while the section on the 2019 election's page uses a plain list. Similarly, 2019 Alberta general election and 2019 Manitoba general election both use tables, but 2020 British Columbia general election and 2019 Newfoundland and Labrador general election use plain lists. I guess it's not really a big deal, but I think it would be best if there was a consistent approach to this (whichever it may be). — Kawnhr ( talk) 17:50, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
The leader of one of the single-candidate parties last election was charged with a hate crime last month.
Is this noteworthy? Should we ignore the fringe parties in general or just those whose controversies are a surprise to noöne? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 03:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I have a draft I am working on for a candidate article ( Draft:Phil De Luna) that was moved out of article space before the candidacy had been noted. I have been asked to take it to AfC, which I don't mind, but I understand that can take months. I don't want to cause a problem by moving back to article space prematurely but the candidacy does add notability to an already fairly strong bio and I'd hate to miss the election.
Any thoughts on how to proceed? Is there an admin editor here who might help me with AfC? I am a Green volunteer but not in any official capacity for the party. I've edited sporadically over the years but am unfamiliar with some of the newer procedures. Thanks. Greenbound ( talk) 23:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps, we should be pointing out that since January 22, 2021, the governor generalship has been vacant. GoodDay ( talk) 03:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
The by-election was never actually called (no writ) so it couldn't be cancelled. I'm drawing a blank on a simple way to word the distinction between cancelling the by-election and rendering the requirement moot. Anyone? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
an expected by-election was rendered moot by the commencement of the general election? - Ahunt ( talk) 01:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I figured since the campaign's officially kicked off, there will be some new images uploaded. Should we update the images of various leaders, once these are released?
Also, just a quick side-note: The only reason I created this section is because I have a bit of OCD and like to make new things once something's began or ended and also because I found a pretty good looking image of O'Toole. xD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan Persaud ( talk • contribs)
There seems to be some sort of mini conflict over Trudeau's image in the infobox.
I myself think that this photo fits better with the rest of the leaders. Ak-eater06 ( talk) 19:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Just for completeness' sake, here's all the images that have been used for Trudeau lately (if I missed one, feel free to edit it into the gallery):
— Kawnhr ( talk) 19:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
The thing about the current image of him (Prime Minister Trudeau delivers a message on Christmas.png) is that its quality is bad like most video stills. My subjective opinion is that its blurriness creates too much constract with O'Toole's high definition photo. Maybe newer and better images will get uploaded as the election campaign goes on. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 21:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I just wish we had a new, HD photo of him. But unfortunately, everything I've seen on Flickr is either outdated or has all rights reserved to the original author. 🙁 Aryan Persaud ( talk) 22:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Well lads, looks like we've reached consensus. 2019 image it is! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan Persaud ( talk • contribs)
Does Michel Boudrias belong on the list? He was refused the nomination by his party rather than announcing he wouldn't run again. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 14:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
After searching again, I have found a recent Blanchet Picture but I was wondering if it was good since he was smiling. It was found on French Wikipedia. For reference, we established in 2019 through consensus that the picture of a leader should not look at another leader, should be high quality and not include flags. There's also the neutrality of the picture rule we had that was established before that.
Granted, I'm not sure about that last rule...
Then, I remembered that one of the PET pictures we use has him smiling and I saw that O'Toole is smiling, which confused me.
So, I'm asking here.
Would this one be appropriate to use for the 2019 and 2021 election infobox? It is more recent than the 2009 picture.
What do you think Ahunt, GoodDay, G. Timothy Walton, Kawnhr, Aryan Persaud (I'm asking people that were involved in the Trudeau picture consensus above)? - MikkelJSmith ( talk) 16:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
This is be the third time I've had to revert anonymous attempts to shift the Liberal and Conservative positions to the left or remove the Liberals entirely. I don't expect this to stop, given the boost social media gives to fringe beliefs. Once was on the Canadian political parties page.
Am I overreacting or can a case be made for page protection? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
the encyclopedia that anyone can editand this is a high-public-interest page that may bring us new recruits as editors, I would prefer to leave the page open and just be vigilant and revert vandalism on sight instead. - Ahunt ( talk) 01:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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With multiple reliable sources confirming that the PM is going to Rideau Hall on the weekend to dissolve Parliament and that the election will be held on Sept 20, should we rename/move the page?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-call-trudeau-1.6138794
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1816186/elections-scrutin-federal-gouvernement-trudeau
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/08/12/liberal-government-to-call-snap-election-report/
MikkelJSmith ( talk) 16:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I support the name change, as these reliable sources have confirmed the matter. Rushtheeditor ( talk) 17:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation or presumptions. Wikipedia does not predict the future.These media sources are speculation, nothing more, quoting "unnamed sources", not presenting facts. - Ahunt ( talk) 18:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Even if the PM made a public statement of intentions, that does not mean an election will be held - that is the GG's purview to grant it or not. " Dissolution of Parliament is not automatic and Gov. Gen. Mary Simon could say no — although that would be a rare move out of line with parliamentary tradition." We still need a dissolution to change the article. - Ahunt ( talk) 21:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
There's no big hurry. Let's wait until the governor general dissolves the 43rd Parliament & sets the federal election date. GoodDay ( talk) 22:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Looks like we need a template at the top of the page telling people to refer here before making changes. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 17:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
There were some recent edits to the text of the article claiming a 2021 election, which have not been officially announced by the government. As a result, I renamed this section from name change to 2021 Election not official yet to make the discussion easier to find — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.127.186.124 ( talk • contribs)
Everyone should follow WP:NORUSH and wait for an election to be called. It's likely to be in September - but they can still decide not to call for one. Nfitz ( talk) 20:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I just up-scaled this image. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prime_Minister_Trudeau%27s_message_on_International_Youth_Day_(Cropped).png.
Now, I know an agreement was just reached over the image dispute at /info/en/?search=Talk:2021_Canadian_federal_election#So_let's_talk_about_Trudeau's_photo but that was before I up-scaled this image so I'm requesting a consensus change.
I just want to know should the current image be kept or changed to this? (Proposed image on right of page)
- Editor50545 ( talk) 18:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I guess the suggested image is fine, but I don't see why this needs to be changed in the first place… I don't think it's an issue for the same image to be used across multiple elections in instances where the person in question looks basically the same.— Kawnhr ( talk) 17:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
An anon 2607:fea8:e263:a900:b9d8:f3f:a994:3e2c ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), has tried to unsuccessfully link to https://www.flickr.com/photos/193295580@N03/51377085135/, however that source is not legally disseminating that work. I ran an search on the image itself, https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51377085135_fbcb604768_h.jpg, and it was previously published. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
So, I know we were talking about the Trudeau image earlier, however.. after checking around on Flickr, I found numerous freely licensed images of JT (Justin Trudeau).
Here's one that I already uploaded, and is awaiting review from an Admin, mainly so I can crop it.
Ahunt MikkelJSmith What do you think lads?
Aryan Persaud ( talk) 23:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion related to this article, is occurring. GoodDay ( talk) 18:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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The fact that the PPC is not listed just proves how easy the politically biased moderators can push their agenda on Wikipedia. This is why I stopped donating to Wikipedia years ago. NoWikiNoLife ( talk) 01:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
@ NoWikiNoLife: AFAIK, we established a "gotta have a seat" inclusion criteria, some time ago. GoodDay ( talk) 17:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm rather concerned about the 'strange' fiddling around with posts in this discussion, by 50.67.13.101 IP. GoodDay ( talk) 20:51, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Given the fact that the Conservative plaform has been released today, should a platform table similar to that found in 2019 Canadian federal election#Platforms be added now or should we wait until other parties release theirs? Username 6892 01:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Listening to Erin O'Toole on the radio, it sounded like he wants to encourage the private sector to build 1 million homes, not that the Federal Government is going to build 1 million homes over the next three years. I think this more detail is needed on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk)
The Foreign Policy row for the Conservatives lists "Boycott World Conference on Racism in 2021." It cites page 154 of their platform, however I don't see anything on that on that page, which is about online media. (It's entirely possible that this is a position of that party, but it's definitely not on the page which is cited.) - MagikM18 ( talk) 22:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Just noted that the part about recognizing Israel also cites the same page; nothing about foreign policy is present on that page. - MagikM18 ( talk) 22:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I just want to state for the record that the Green Party of Canada has opted to release their platform positions in stages and then compile them into a final document before voting begins. Thus, their platform positions will not be filled all at once. Here is the source: https://ipolitics.ca/2021/08/20/green-party-to-release-its-platform-in-pieces/ MPen92 ( talk) 19:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
What say we just kill the column, already? If we leave it in it's going to be a neverending reversion battle. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 21:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
(1) The Conservative Party immigration policy in the large table should be amended. It reads that the Tories want to amend the Safe Third Country Agreement to prevent "Americans" from seeking asylum in Canada. Reading the source (CPC manifesto), the policy is aimed at asylees passing through or landing first in the US and then crossing illegally into Canada. (2) Why is every article locked these days? Editors are out of control. 2601:5C6:8180:BAD0:25C6:C7AB:6E22:FCE8 ( talk) 16:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Please add "Maxime Bernier" from the PPC ( people's party of Canada) to your list. He is the only one who got left out. Thank you. 68.146.36.202 ( talk) 18:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
I have edited the lead paragraph to conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, namely WP:REDUNDANCY and WP:AVOIDBOLD. I changed it from
The 2021 Canadian federal election will take place on September 20, 2021, to elect members of the House of Commons to the 44th Canadian Parliament after Governor General Mary Simon dissolved Parliament on August 15, 2021, at the request of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
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Members of the House of Commons of the 44th Canadian Parliament will be elected on September 20, 2021. Governor General Mary Simon dissolved Parliament on August 15, 2021, at the request of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
In the edit summary I pointed to the Manual of Style and wrote that links are more useful than boldface for the sake of boldface. (The guideline supplement Wikipedia:Superfluous bolding explained is also pertinent.) The edit was reverted by Ahunt, who claims that it "serves no purpose". I am curious about what is meant by that. Surtsicna ( talk) 12:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
If an article's title is a formal or widely accepted name for the subject, display it in bold as early as possible in the first sentence. You need a good reason to not follow that and use the alternatives. MOS:AVOIDBOLD says
If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. Instead, simply describe the subject in normal English, avoiding redundancy, but that is not the case here, since the standard bolded lead reads fine as it is. As far as filling the lead with links goes, see WP:OVERLINK and WP:SEAOFBLUE. I am interested to read what other editors working on this page think, since I was "thanked" for reverting your change to the lead. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Keep redundancy to a minimum in the first sentence. Use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the article. The title of the article need not appear verbatim in the lead if the article title is descriptive.I believe Member of Parliament (Canada) and List of Canadian federal general elections are essential topics and that links to them do not qualify as overlinking; but I care more about the structure of the lead sentence. Surtsicna ( talk) 13:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
If the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text.Why should the article state that the 2021 Canadian federal election is an election in Canada in 2021? How do readers benefit from that? Surtsicna ( talk) 13:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Recommend an RFC on the topic, concerning all international elections. Federal level, provincial/state/territorial, mayoral levels, etc. Otherwise, we'll end up with said-articles out of sync & likely more reverts (thus a 'red box' with a high number on each of our user talkpages). For example: I'm guessing there'd by some resistance at the American & British election articles, to start with. Best to find out now, then the hard way later. GoodDay ( talk) 15:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
PS: Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums, would be an ideal place for an RFC. GoodDay ( talk) 16:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I'll leave the RfC discussion aside, and address the two MoS issues and COMMONNAME concern. We do not need to AVOIDBLUE if we can work the title of the article into the lede, and that seems to be case with this article. However, if 2021 Canadian federal election is not a common name, is it at least recognizable? What would you call the election? What do you see RSes calling it? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 18:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, Surtsicna hasn't been around Wikipedia, for over a week now. GoodDay ( talk) 02:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
You can't categorize parties objectively into a political spectrum especially in Canada. Party leaders and party platforms change over time and unless a trusted reference can be provided it should be removed. Sn1ker12 ( talk) 06:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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Can I please request that the Liberal PDF Platform be linked in? The PDF can be found here: https://2019.liberal.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/292/2019/09/Forward-A-real-plan-for-the-middle-class.pdf and it has been released for public view. It is currently not listed in the box showing all party platforms. Alovell44 ( talk) 19:10, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Ummmm it still shows the names of Elizabeth May and Andrew Scheer..........lol. Ak-eater06 ( talk) 22:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Template:Canadian federal election, 2021 traditionally goes in the Results section. It seems reasonable to make it visible on this page now that it's ready. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 01:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please add all other Federal parties that are participating in this Election, under "Federal Parties". IE. VCP, Veteran's Coalition party of Canada, etc.
Its not respectable to keep hiding smaller ,non mainstream parties from the eyes of the public.
Thanks
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19:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)Does this breach WP:CRYSTAL? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation or presumptions. Wikipedia does not predict the future.Does not belong in an encyclopedia. We will report the election results after the election is over, not before. - Ahunt ( talk) 17:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The national vote is mostly irrelevant, as it doesn't completely decide the federal election. The federal election is actually 338 simultaneously occurring elections, in which a party has to win the most votes in 'each' riding. See 2019 Canadian federal election, concerning the national popular vote. Note then, the party with the most votes, didn't get the most seats. GoodDay ( talk) 21:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I vote we turf it. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 21:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm in strong support of including predicted seat projections. This isn't WP:CRYSTAL at all, it's just reporting the opinions of professionals within the field of politics. It's done on many other national election articles as well, like in the US and New Zealand. It is a far more helpful metric than nationwide opinion polling which doesn't depict what the actual results could look like. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I feel a sections like this has its place in this article while recognizing the one we had before was totally unacceptable. But if we would fill each columns with brief information from reliable sources about the positions of the the Liberals, the NDP and the Tories simultaneously, such a section would be a useful addition to our article. Mottezen ( talk) 02:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article.If we are going to keep that, we really need to move it to the "external links" section and not right in the article text. - Ahunt ( talk) 13:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Should the People's Party platform be added to the "Policy platforms" section? I added it but it was undone with the stated reason being that they don't have a pdf version of it posted. I think it should be added because they are more than a single-issue party, they have candidates in over 90% of ridings, are included in national polling and their platform is covered along side the major parties in a secondary source. Does their lack of presentation options really trump all that? maclean ( talk) 18:54, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Other than the incumbency metric bit, which I think ignores the "distinct (and minuscule) minority" concept mentioned in WP:DUE, the rest of your first sentence is gibberish. Please rewrite it to define what "a fear comprehensive" and "protects excludes those without an incumbent" were intended to mean. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 04:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, I voted in an advance poll & my riding had five parties represented. They were the Liberal, Conservative, New Democratic, Green & People's parties. Does this help? GoodDay ( talk) 03:23, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
A good point was raised about the broadness of No endorsement as a column title. None of the above lends itself to referring to other parties. Can we come up with something better than either? G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 17:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Also I think we should set a standard for what qualifies someone to be officially listed since Attaran who was posted earlier was kinda in the grey area for me. Should it be left to people with a wiki entry or just any endorsement that would provide encyclopedic value? - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 18:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Peoples Party of Canada With leader Maxine Bernier 24.67.92.169 ( talk) 14:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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A discussion here which may affect this article, is taking place. Input would be appreciated there. GoodDay ( talk) 15:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
(formally the 44th Canadian general election). - Ahunt ( talk) 11:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need a separate column for citations? It won't line up properly with more than one name entered. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 16:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
It should be noted that as of a short time ago today, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders endorsed Jagmeet Singh and the NDP via Twitter. Link: [6] -- 129.97.131.0 ( talk) 19:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Vermin Supreme has endorsed the Rhinoceros Party. I guess it's time to discuss how to handle an Other parties column. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 23:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Conrad Black belongs in, and WP:ENDORSE is being misapplied. Being published by major media, even as a commentary, qualifies as a "reliable independent source". The WP:ENDORSE point being cited specifically states that "[t]his means endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post, for example." G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 04:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Jean Chretien campaigned for the Liberals and endorsed Trudeau during his speech. Should we include him? I haven't edited this article in a while so I'm rusty, but as the election draws near, I'll start editing more. -- Aryan Persaud ( talk) 15:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
As an FYI, Andrew Weaver is a federal Liberal– it's a bit complicated. He tore up his Liberal membership in 2019 [7] and really is known mainly as a former provincial Green leader. His endorsement received a lot of coverage, and I would be inclined to include it. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 01:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The reality is that the exclusion of the Peoples Party and any mention on this page, despite polling above 6% beating both the Greens and Bloc, is a deliberate attempt to suppress knowledge and the truth. Wikipedia is a pro communist pro-lockdown far left organization which supports false "truths" promoted by fake news media. Any notion of "no bias" went out the window years ago. I am sure when Bernier wins his seat and the party gets over 5%, they will find some other reason to hide the party, rewriting history and pretending the PPC doesn't exist! -- 2607:FEA8:2C41:2400:60DD:7170:FB75:859E ( talk) 21:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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-Can someone add a note to the Liberal's candidate number of 338 that their candidate for Kitchener Centre, Raj Saini, will still be listed on the ballot but has been dropped as a candidate for the party? Source: News: Embattled Liberal candidate Raj Saini ends campaign for re-election. - Matticus333 ( talk) 03:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I think there are a few more areas where this incident is relevant (ie Timeline and Incumbents not running for re-election). I am busy at the moment if someone else doesn't mind adding it, if not I can add it in a bit. - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 20:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
We could add a Bozo candidates section for those disavowed by the their parties but unless they dropped out before the writ they don't belong in the Incumbents not running section. One could argue that those who dropped out between the writ and the end of candidate registration might go in Incumbents... but I don't think it fits the spirit of that section. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 18:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the candidates like Saini, the two NDP (Toronto-St. Paul's, the other riding I cant remember right now) and whatever other candidates...if they do get elected, they will sit an independents. so maybe have them as independent incumbents? MiroslavGlavic ( talk) 08:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
I added the aforementioned section. Feel free to make changes or update. - CanadianCon2020 ( talk) 14:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
G. Timothy Walton thank you for the updates, they were needed touch ups, should we add something regarding the fact that Vuong's campaign is "paused?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The results templates for every previous election back through 1997 have been proposed for deletion ( Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 September 19) with the rationale that they should appear on the main article. I've tried to transfer the data but... frustration.
Would someone with fresh eyes be able to go through the articles and transfer all the template data?
While they're at it, maybe they could find where the 2008 results template data is hidden so I can correct the error(s) in that. G. Timothy Walton ( talk) 20:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Looks like there should be a candidate loss noted for the Greens; their nominee in Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke has been dropped by the Green Party after making statements comparing vaccine passports to Nazism: [8]
Also, should we not be noting Marwan Tabbara from Kitchener South-Hespeler as an incumbent who is not running again, even though he made no formal announcement to that effect? [9] -- 129.97.131.0 ( talk) 15:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello, where do we want to put the "Results" section? Some argue that the results are released after the opinion polls, and, therefore , should be after the opinion polls section; but some may also argue that the results are more important and should be towards the top of the page. — Eric0892 ( talk) 22:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
The Liberals are credited with gaining 3 seats when in fact they only gained one since the last election. The Conservatives are credited with losing two seats based on the 2019 election. Be consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.40.75 ( talk)