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Internationally the United States are famous (indepenent if it is true) in many countries around the world for failing in this pandemic, from Fake-News, slow testing, not working testing-equipment, late restrictions. Even poorer countries like China or South Korea did better job (at least more tests per citizen), than America is doing now.
I suggest following seciton in
2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Government_responses
End of January presient Trump said they have everything under control, on Febuary 26, he said that it's like a miracle and will disappear and two days later he said that the democrats are politicizing and called it a hoax. On March 11. president Trump called the Coronavirus outbreak an "unprecedentted response". On March 13. Trump said that he is not taking respoibility for the lag of testing. Internationally several newspaper around the world reported an outbreak of missinformation during the start of the coronavirus [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], some even call it a failing in leadership [8].
Is there a reason this is missing, or did I just overlooked it?
As far as I can see the governemt in 2014 took Ebola_virus_cases_in_the_United_States much more serious (maybe too serious, can't tell) than this Pandemic in the early stage.
an Austrian Wikipedian — Johannes Kalliauer - contrib. 23:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Va has 1020 cases
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In the Virginia data under “Current number of non-repatriated cases by state”, update “1250” to “1484” and update “27” to “34”. Data is from this morning; source is the same as provided. Agmudd ( talk) 19:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Internal CDC emails show how public health officials fumbled communication and underestimated the threat of the coronavirus as it gained a foothold in the United States.
X1\ ( talk) 00:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations. X1\ ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
—§— T3g5JZ50GLq ( talk) 11:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
There is no data in this section anymore. Was it moved elsewhere? DrHenley ( talk) 14:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Someone removed it last night and claimed they were making a better version, really until they make a better version it probably should be returned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.162.230.27 ( talk) 14:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I think the user who keeps removing the table believes it is somehow inaccurate? Just because it's not always updated in a timely manner doesn't mean it is wrong. There is also a seemingly-ongoing battle in the order of the deaths and recoveries columns, which is messing things up. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:37, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we put a clarifying statement next to the chart to that effect? Many times timely data is more important than precise data (within reasonable bounds.) And I wouldn't want to kick off a flame war 'cause someone thought they were being dissed. ( User talk:24.5.158.255)
Perhaps this continued removal of the section table by one (!) user should be considered vandalism, and the user being actioned for it. youdonotneedtoknowmyrealname ( talk) 06:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:7F15:1401:8100:C7AA:795A:18E1 ( talk)
Needs justification, specially since it's made right on the lead paragraph. Any primary source did it? Also, if the US death toll is indeed at around 3,100 deaths (as given here, in an already used reliable source, as of this writing: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) then it's no longer the sixth country with the most deaths, but the fourth or third. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:185E:CD68:C02D:B384:FF59:7381 ( talk) 06:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed that some countries are using chart "type = line" or "type = stackedrect" instead of using "type = rect". This is actually very mixed. What is the standard and how should each individual-country page use it? For daily new cases/deaths I find it very helpful do see numeric evolution (rect) instead of line.
The next topic is if there is a way to show counting of days since Case 1 per country. Does anybody know? tx. A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammadeusy ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
In subheading 5: Social impacts, there's a map close to the top which has a link in the text area: "Full map including municipalities". I clicked on it and there's an empty map file there. -- Dutchy45 ( talk) 12:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Maine now has 275 confirmed cases, 3 deaths, 41 recoveries, 231 active cases. (From 211 confirmed, 1 death, 16 recoveries, 194 active) Lewis Christopher S ( talk) 15:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
It looks like Massachusetts has been in lock-down since 3/23/2020. The map of lock-down states still shows it uncolored. It would be fantastic to see this updated.
Cortis Clark ( talk) 18:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
The following: "Further information: Timeline of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States" does not appear at all on my Galaxy 8 Android Wikipedia App. 2600:8802:3000:630:100D:76F1:BF09:D3C4 ( talk) 19:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Ohio is now up to 2199 infected with 55 deaths — Preceding unsigned comment added by XNanoWarriorx ( talk • contribs) 22:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
In at least 10 government reports from 2003 to 2015, federal officials predicted the U.S. would experience a shortage of ventilators and other medical supplies if it faced a large-scale infectious disease outbreak.
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations.
X1\ ( talk) 05:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump administration officials declined an offer for congressional coronavirus funding on February 5. The officials, including HHS Secretary Alex Azar, said they “didn’t need emergency funding, that they would be able to handle it within existing appropriations,” Sen. Chris Murphy recalled. Murphy said the funding he and other congressional leaders wanted to allocate in February would have paid for essential preventative measures, including hiring local screening and testing staff, researching a vaccine and treatments, and the stockpiling of needed medical supplies.
X1\ ( talk) 05:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration donated more than 35,000 pounds of “masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials” to China the same day the World Health Organization warned about “the limited stock of PPE ( personal protective equipment).” The first known case of coronavirus case in U.S. was confirmed by the CDC on January 21, 2020. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced the donation to China on February 7.
X1\ ( talk) 05:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump believes the inspector general Glenn A. Fine overseeing the $500 billion relief fund will first need his permission to make reports to Congress.
In a signing statement, released hours after Trump signed the bill, Trump suggested he can gag the IG and can decide what information the IG could share with Congress.
X1\ ( talk) 05:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration ignored a White House playbook that was created in 2016 to help fight back against a potential pandemic.
The National Security Council (NSC) playbook lays out strategies and recommendations that an administration should take, including moving swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, securing supplemental funding and considering invoking the Defense Production Act, and making sure there are sufficient personal protective equipment available for healthcare workers. The NSC created the guide — officially titled the “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — in 2016 and the Trump administration was briefed on it in 2017, but administration officials ignored it, and it never became official policy.
X1\ ( talk) 23:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations. X1\ ( talk) 01:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Beth Cameron was the Senior Director for Global Health Security and Biodefense on the White House National Security Council until John Bolton dissolved her office. She is also the author of the unused government pandemic playbook:
X1\ ( talk) 04:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Pentagon has not shipped 2,000 ventilators because FEMA and the HHS have not asked for them or provided a shipping location. Lt. General Giovanni Tuck there are 1,000 ventilators fully ready to be shipped as soon as the Pentagon gets a destination of where to send them. The other 1,000 can also be assembled and shipped within days of getting the order.
X1\ ( talk) 05:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Taxpayers paid $13.8 million to a company to design a low-cost ventilator. Instead, the company is selling it overseas.
X1\ ( talk) 05:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
See previous similar at Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 5#example of effects of Trump's promotion of unproven drugs, add here?.
The Trump administration is encouraging the FDA to approve another unproven drug as a possible coronavirus treatment, despite career officials’ concerns about the risks and limited evidence that the drug would work. Most recently, Trump has championed Avigan ( Favipiravir), a decades-old flu drug, despite global regulators and U.S. researchers expressing concern about the drug’s risks, such as birth defects, and that the Chinese data is insufficient.
X1\ ( talk) 06:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump approved a proposal to delay payment of certain tariffs for 90 days. An executive could is expected as soon as this week and would give the Treasury Department the authority to direct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to delay collecting “most-favored nation” tariffs on imports.
X1\ ( talk) 06:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Notable example ( Jay Inslee too): Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said her state is not getting the health and safety equipment needed because contractors are sending their products to the federal government, implying that the order came from the Trump administration. On Friday, Trump said he had instructed Mike Pence not to call governors who have not been “appreciative” enough of his efforts on coronavirus. “If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call,” Trump said, adding: “Don’t call the woman in Michigan.”
When PBS's Yamiche Alcindor noted that the President had said he did not believe that governors actually need all the equipment they claimed they did, Trump said, "I didn't say that" — even though he said precisely that on Fox News on Thursday. Later, when CNN White House Correspondent Jeremy Diamond noted that Trump had said he wanted governors to be "appreciative" of him, and that "if they don't treat you right, I don't call," Trump said, "But I didn't say that" — even though he said precisely that at the Friday briefing.
per Daniel Dale and Tara Subramaniam Fact check: Trump falsely denies saying two things he said last week March 30, 2020 CNN
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X1\ ( talk) 08:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I added the option "|yScaleType=log" to make the y axis, total cases of COVID-19, a log scale. This makes the information available over the whole timeline, and shows the rate of growth of cases the same way throughout the timeline.
The first time I did this it was immediately reverted on the basis that the ordinary user would not understand what a log scale was and would be misled by the plot. The second time, I added a line of text to explain what a log axis does for this plot, and indeed another editor added a link to logarithmic scale. But someone updating the data for the plot, which is done daily, accidentally broke this plot and the third plot, and published them that way. That editor or another editor fixed both plots, and in the process deleted the "|yScaleType=log" option. So, this time I added comments to the editors on how to keep the log scale if they need to fix a broken chart.
If the people maintaining the data in these plots have problems updating them as log plots, we need to give up and leave them as linear plots or use one of the other chart templates to make them easier to maintain. It has occurred to me that these plots summarize data from
and I wonder if it is feasible to make these charts update automatically when the source page is updated.
I think the other two charts at the end of the article should be on a log scale too, for the same reasons. But, bar charts are best for linear plots, and I think that they would be best presented as line charts with data symbols, like the first plot. I'll wait for comments here before I change the second two plots. -- motorfingers : Talk 20:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Please bring back the bar graphs. Elenaschifirnet ( talk) 16:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
motorfingers — Given that you have encuontered reverts, as well as a post below opposing your changes, it would be best to use the talk page to gain consensus first before continuing. Thanks. CUA 27 ( talk) 16:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
The page has switched to log-scale charts. The majority of the population can't read these, and they hide the exponential nature of trends. If the logarithmic charts are necessary, please try to include standard charts with reduced timeframe as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.128.72.144 ( talk) 14:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we should bring back the bar graphs for new cases, deaths, and recoveries for the following reasons:
1) Although I understand that line charts show a trend better than a bar, most people find line charts not as visually informative as bars (some psychology stats book, don't remember now where exactly I read that) 2) A log plot is confusing, require additional processing, and if not used correctly, it can be drastically misleading (here I can provide citations, it's another psych stats book). For example, it hides the exponential aspect of the data, which in the case of this pandemic is essential information not only for regular citizens to know what to expect and prepare, but also for policy makers with no training in epidemiology. Likewise, a linear chart leads to more estimations ("guesses") than the bar charts because it explicitly requires extra processing to check the Y axis back and forth. So the longer the graph is (which we will unfortunately have), the content is likely lost to the eye even if the trend is better visualized. Remember that the vast majority of Wikipedia readers are not used to reading graphs every day, so we should put up the data in the easiest to understand way, which, in my opinion, is bar graphs. 3) Keep it consistent across Wikipedia pages; all other countries (or at least the first 20 or so I clicked on) have bar graphs. Keeping data in the same visual format enables quick comparisons between countries. 4) Keep it consistent with the official reporting sites, e.g. CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html.
That being said, I don't see why we can't have all graphs. Elenaschifirnet ( talk) 18:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of this article is to convey information. That is the priority requirement in writing and editing. I think that if this requires a reference to log scale in a tutorial thumbnail to reach some people, than, if the information conveyed is significantly increased, then this is a good approach that should be considered. I'm not a fan of arguments that we must not raise the bar for understanding common graphics technicques like log scales.
The point that log scales "hide" exponential growth is another consideration. Note that the exponential growth is a single point to be made, while the log scale makes clear what is happening with the data throughout the timeline, something that a linear plot cannot do with data that shows exponential growth.
I'm OK with combining the three log plots into one to make the relationship between the total cases, the new cases, and the deaths clearar. I'm OK with bringing back the bar charts as linear plots with the numbers above, or log charts with the nubers in the bars near the top. My principal concern is that daily maintenance involves extending the date lables in the x axis and editing or replacing the y axis data, and if we have two sets of plots with the same data, the editor that updates the plots must update both plots. With the template we are using now, that can be done with a clipborad copy, but it's still added work.
My personal rule for posting is to present a solution when I present a problem, so in that vein I suggest that we put the three log scale plots on one graphic, and bring back at least one log plot to show the exponential growth. If we put the linear plot that shows exponential growth first anc caption it as showing the exponential growth, it need not be updated daily, or at all. I think this, with an improvement in the log scale tutorial thumbnail, is the best way to satisfy all the comments. -- motorfingers : Talk 21:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree with most people on here that we need to bring back the bar graphs. Most people will not intuitively grasp log scales, and really they are good for rates of change not showing exponential growth which is both real and hidden. Mattximus ( talk) 02:07, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I noticed the bar graphs were replaced by log scale line graphs, and agreed with others that it was a poor choice and should return to the bar graphs. Mattximus ( talk) 02:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
First, I brought back the bar plots, and put them on a linear axis. Secod, I left the log plots below the original plots.
The format is that the linear scale plots are shown first, then the text with the log scale tutorial thumbnail, then the three log plots. My next change will be to combine the three log plots into one chart, probably later today.
I believe that this will satisfy the many people who will never accept a log scale, while providing information about the pandemic over the entirety of it recent history. Combining the log charts was always my eventual goal, because this shows iformation about how the three datasets are related, something that is not done elsewhere.-- motorfingers : Talk 13:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Well done folks. This is exactly how the talk page is supposed to work. Thanks to all who helped point out problems and solutions and helped work towards consensus. CUA 27 ( talk) 17:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
These are copied from the Template_talk:2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_data/United_States_medical_cases_by_state page.
Most states are not reporting recoveries and active cases, but people are adding them anyway despite lacking an RS for them. Many states however are reporting hospitalizations and the number of tests run, so either of those numbers could be added depending on how useful they are deemed to be. b uidh e 21:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Most states are not reporting active cases, but people are adding them anyway despite lack of a primary source. Many states are reporting hospitalizations so those numbers should be added. A major goal of the lock down orders is to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Recommend recoveries or total released be kept as there are states that still report this. Z ygert h 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hospital column has been added. This tracks state reported hospitalizations, and cumulative hospitalization are preferred if that data is provided. Z ygert h Z ygert h 23:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Data for hospitalizations is available for 8 out of 14 states where I have checked the state's official data page. Z ygert h 02:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I object to removing the active cases — it is a statistic that many people follow, and the statistic is also present in other country articles. I have no objection to adding hospitalizations. CUA 27 ( talk) 17:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
It looks like several maps (including the infobox map) now include cases in American Samoa, but I cannot find any citations to support this and the text and tables do not currently support this. Neither the CDC nor Johns Hopkins report cases in American Samoa. Can anyone find a citation for American Samoa, or correct the maps?-- Cincotta1 ( talk) 18:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I recently had a new paragraph deleted by reversion because it referenced CDC data on influenza and pneumonia death rate, then drew conclusions. I removed the conclusions and added back the referenced data and even that was deleted by reversion seconds later. The paragraph that I inserted in State number of non-repatriated cases by date, between the last two charts, is:
I believe that this is a fact, and is referenced properly to a source with high credibility, i.e. the CDC [1]. The last short sentence, "The death rate from COVID-19 exceeded that [of the CDC data for flu/pneumonia] on March 30 2020" pushes the boundary because it is an interpretation, however obvious, and possibly that concluding short sentence should be removed. But the fact that the death rate from COVID-19 now exceeds that flu/pneumonia death rate (average over seasonal variations) does belong here because it addresses the commonly heard argument that COVID-19 is less deadly than the flu.
The reason cited, "original research," implies to me that there is a misunderstanding here. I believe that such problems are best dealt with by better communication. I am struggling to do that. Please reply here what you think. -- motorfingers : Talk 21:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. See WP:SNOW. VQuakr ( talk) 17:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States → 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in the United States – À la 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Another move will be conducted in the future when the 30-day moratorium on the umbrella article will go away. Soumyabrata stay at home wash your hands to protect from coronavirus 10:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
can we have a death rate by age chart? Jackzhp ( talk) 11:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Enough with the charts! This one is already so wide it's not possible to read on some monitors without scrolling. When this pandemic is finally over, the chart will be three miles wide! -- Veggies ( talk) 11:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree. This and the charts in 'State number of non-repatriated cases by date' are all way too big. At least make them scrollable or something. Mysticdan ( talk) 12:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, this one is unnecessary. VQuakr ( talk) 17:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I know it’s a known issue. Can’t something be done about pictures and graphics taking days to update, if at all? If you click on a graphic and pull up the image itself it shows the updated version but going back to the inline display still shows an older version. Text updates are real time (if the page is refreshed). Why aren’t images?? This could lead to confusion or inaccurate information being gleaned by readers who might not know to click on an image to get the latest updated version. I know that clearing cached data in the mobile app settings prompts the app to get the most recent version of the images. But that doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. Cached data is great for reducing the amount of data downloaded needlessly BUT when an image is changed then the cache needs to ALSO be updated with that new image. It’s so frustrating. Kjpmi ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Add United States House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis, with Jim Clyburn chair, per
X1\ ( talk) 02:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
It looks that there are more recoveries than cases. For example, if we assume the shortest infection duration of about 14 days, we can see 8878 recoveries on April 1. These people should have been confirmed cases, at the latest, on March 16. According to the graphs, there were not that many cases in the country then. Or tests performed. And that's just for one day. But if we add the last few days of recoveries, for sure it does not match the total (cumulative) confirmed cases at the time there was supposed to be an infection. Confirmation of both infection and recovery is based on the PCR test, right? Am I missing something or is our data quite wrong? The data would make sense only if the case confirmation/recovery is based not a positive/negative test, but on presence/lack of symptoms. I hope I'm making sense. 2601:240:D780:C190:24D0:CE65:99E5:CE49 ( talk) 15:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
On other countries' pages (Canada, Italy) the green recovered graph is daily recoveries, but on the USA page it shows cumulative recoveries, which is confusing. At least, the 8878 recoveries is in line with sources I see reporting about 10k recoveries for the USA, and the statistical likelihood of there being exactly 15 recoveries for that many days in a row made me realize that the numbers on that graph are cumulative, and that was simply a stretch during which no recoveries were recorded. - R 75.157.179.170 ( talk) 16:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
There are loads of blanks on the table, and I know Illinois has 2 recovered patients, but someone keeps reverting my edits. NatChu666 ( talk) 17:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
The coronavirus task force placed a moratorium on the USAID’s overseas shipments of personal protective gear after officials discovered that aid to foreign countries wasn’t being coordinated with U.S. requests for aid from those same countries. Roughly 280 million masks in the U.S. were purchased by foreign buyers on Monday the 30th, according to Forbes. Vessel manifests maintained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection show a steady flow of the medical equipment needed to treat the coronavirus being shipped abroad as recently as March 17. FEMA, meanwhile, said the agency “has not actively encouraged or discouraged U.S. companies from exporting overseas,” and has asked USAID to send back its reserves of protective gear stored in warehouses for use in the U.S.
X1\ ( talk) 02:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration (currently) plans to use the federal stimulus package to pay hospitals to treat uninsured people with the coronavirus. Hospitals would have to agree not to bill the patients or issue unexpected charges. Trump, meanwhile, hinted that he is considering using Medicare and Medicaid to pay for health care for the uninsured after he decided to not reopen the Affordable Care Act’s insurance markets.
Previously (recently);
The Trump administration will not reopen the Affordable Care Act’s marketplace to allow uninsured Americans to purchase health care coverage during the coronavirus pandemic. Americans who recently lost their jobs will still be able to obtain health insurance – people who lose job-based insurance qualify to enroll, but are required to provide proof that they lost their coverage. A special enrollment period, however, would have made it easier for people to enroll and would have provided an option for people who chose not to buy health insurance this year but want it now. Instead, Trump has promoted short-term health insurance alternatives, which allow enrollment year-round, but the plans offer skimpier coverage and typically exclude insurance protections for preexisting conditions.
X1\ ( talk) 02:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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General Motors to manufacture ventilators, after negotiations with the company stalled. He also appointed
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Instead, include:
Trump signed a Defense Production Act order requiring 3M to prioritize N95 respirator mask orders from the U.S. government, cutting off 3M’s ability to export face masks abroad. 3M also said the administration asked it to stop exporting masks to Canada and Latin America, which the company said raises “significant humanitarian implications” and will backfire by causing other countries to retaliate against the U.S.
Trade and legal experts agree that new mandates could cause other governments to clamp down on exports of masks, ventilator parts and pharmaceuticals that the U.S. needs.
Related to #Outflow of medical supplies from the U.S., add ? X1\ ( talk) 02:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations:
per Trump administration ended coronavirus detection program March 2, 2020 LATimes.com
The Trump administration ended the PREDICT (USAID) pandemic early-warning program in China two months before the coronavirus started spreading in Wuhan. The PREDICT program identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses. It also trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories. Field work ceased when the funding for PREDICT ran out in September 2019, and organizations that worked on the program laid off dozens of scientists and analysts.
X1\ ( talk) 00:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration changed its description of the Strategic National Stockpile after Jared Kushner suggested that the stockpile wasn’t meant for states to use.
“And the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile,” Kushner said during the White House coronavirus task force press conference. “It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.” The HHS website previously described the stockpile as the “nation’s largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out.” After journalists noted that Kushner’s claim contradicted the program’s description, the website was updated to say “The Strategic National Stockpile’s role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies. Many states have products stockpiled, as well.”
For the centrality of Kushner:
X1\ ( talk) 00:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Related: update Stockpile status?
Half of the national stockpile of ventilators have been distributed and there are now fewer than 10,000 still available. An estimated 32,000 ventilators may be needed by mid-April, when crisis is expected to peak. Meanwhile, FEMA said most of the 100,000 new ventilators that Trump promised won’t be available until the end of June “at the earliest.”
X1\ ( talk) 04:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Also posted at Talk:Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic:
Economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis project that the number of unemployed Americans could reach as high as 47 million – about 32% – as a result of the coronavirus. St. Louis Fed economist Miguel Faria-e-Castro wrote in a research paper last week that this is “a rather unique shock that is unlike any other experienced by the U.S. economy in the last 100 years.”
X1\ ( talk) 06:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just FYI, I understand that clearing cached data in the app will allow the images to update but that doesn’t fix the fundamental problem! If an image is updated, it should be flagged somehow by Wikipedia so that the app doesn’t just default to the cached image. Cached data is great for limiting data from being downloaded every time a page is visited but if content is actually updated the cache should be updated for that image as well! Kjpmi ( talk) 18:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I know that clearing cached data in the mobile app settings prompts the app to get the most recent version of the images. But that doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. Cached data is great for reducing the amount of data downloaded needlessly BUT when an image is changed then the cache needs to ALSO be updated with that new image. It’s so frustrating. Kjpmi ( talk) 18:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump learned that his close friend, 78-year-old New York real estate mogul Stan Chera, had contracted COVID-19 and fallen into a coma at NewYork-Presbyterian.
X1\ ( talk) 06:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump bragged about the ratings of his coronavirus task force briefings, tweeting that the rise in ratings is driving the media “CRAZY” while suggesting that the viewership is fueling discussions in the media about ending the practice of broadcasting them live. Trump sent about a half-dozen tweets touting the high television ratings while selectively citing an article that compared them to " The Bachelor" and " Monday Night Football." News outlets have struggled with how to cover Trump’s coronavirus press briefings live because Trump "has repeatedly delivered information that doctors and public health officials have called ill informed, misleading, or downright wrong."
See Veracity of statements by Donald Trump and Misinformation related to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. X1\ ( talk) 05:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Nebraska has an extra column in the fatalities table — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skagraw ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations:
Trump administration officials HHS Secretary Alex Azar and Tim Morrison, then a special assistant to the President and senior director for weapons of mass destruction and biodefense on the National Security Council, listed the threat of a pandemic as the issue that worried them most at the BioDefense Summit in April 2019. Trump, meanwhile, has repeatedly claimed that “Nobody knew there’d be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion.”
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X1\ ( talk) 00:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Related: February 3 Army briefing fatality projections (more contrary to Trump), add?
A February 3 prepared unclassified Army briefing document on the coronavirus projected that “between 80,000 and 150,000 could die.” The estimates also correctly stated that asymptomatic people could “easily” transmit the virus, that military forces could be tasked with providing logistics and medical support to civilians, including “provid[ing] PPE (N-95 Face Mask, Eye Protection, and Gloves) to evacuees, staff, and DoD personnel.”
On Feb. 24, Trump tweeted, “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA” and two days later, Trump claimed that 15 known cases of coronavirus inside the U.S. “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
X1\ ( talk) 01:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
White House economists published a study in September 2019 that warned a pandemic could kill a half million Americans and devastate the economy. The study specifically urged Americans not to conflate the risks of a typical influenza and a pandemic.
X1\ ( talk) 05:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
See Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. X1\ ( talk) 07:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Related to Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 3#Government response — Preparedness (to a lesser extent Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 6#failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook, add?)
X1\ ( talk) 08:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Employment effects:
See related Talk:Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic § U.S. employment impact, add?.
The unemployment rate is probably around 13% – higher than at any point since the Great Depression; per https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/upshot/coronavirus-jobless-rate-great-depression.html
X1\ ( talk) 01:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Added to this is: Americans are underestimating how long coronavirus disruptions will last, public health experts warn. While coronavirus cases are expected to peak in mid-April, quickly reopening businesses or loosening shelter-in-place rules would inevitably lead to a new surge of infections, they said; per
Helen Branwell April 3, 2020
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X1\ ( talk) 08:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
If Wikipedia doesn't have the capability to keep the state-by-state statistics up-to-date, then don't log the numbers, and let Johns Hopkins do this job. I don't understand why Google is sourcing numbers from a fricking half-assed Wikipedia page. Inaccurate statistics are more dangerous than no statistics at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.208.224 ( talk) 11:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The recoveries chart is the only one that shows cumulative cases instead of daily cases like the other charts. In the interest of consistency both with the other charts on our page and similar charts on other countries' pages, could we have the recoveries chart also showing daily new recoveries instead of a cumulative number? For more detail on why the cumulative graph is confusing, see the "More recovered than actual cases?" section above. Thanks to whoever is doing the editing of the page. I appreciate your promptness in keeping this page updated and solving issues in a very timely manner. WikiUser70176 ( talk) 18:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
With 239,000 cases in the U.S., I think it's time to cut the separate accounting for repatriated and Diamond Princess cases out of the table "Cases in the United States per the CDC" in the "CDC reported U.S. totals". 49 cases out of a quarter of a million really is well below the noise level. Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 00:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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Numerous sources including BBC News are now reporting that (in those jurisdictions that are including race in their reporting of cases), a hugely disproportionate percentage of cases and deaths are African American: [4]. Numerous contributing factors have been put forward. 97.116.51.145 ( talk) 03:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
From Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 6 § unshipped Pentagon venilators, add ?:
Is there an update on the unshipped Pentagon venilators? X1\ ( talk) 07:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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In the table under Social impacts | Lockdowns, where a citation was requested, I did not find a reliable reference that confirms the date. The current date for the Oklahoma lockdown appears to be wrong. Please change April 2, 2020 to March 24, 2020. [1] --vann_ish 07:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | → | Archive 10 |
Internationally the United States are famous (indepenent if it is true) in many countries around the world for failing in this pandemic, from Fake-News, slow testing, not working testing-equipment, late restrictions. Even poorer countries like China or South Korea did better job (at least more tests per citizen), than America is doing now.
I suggest following seciton in
2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Government_responses
End of January presient Trump said they have everything under control, on Febuary 26, he said that it's like a miracle and will disappear and two days later he said that the democrats are politicizing and called it a hoax. On March 11. president Trump called the Coronavirus outbreak an "unprecedentted response". On March 13. Trump said that he is not taking respoibility for the lag of testing. Internationally several newspaper around the world reported an outbreak of missinformation during the start of the coronavirus [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], some even call it a failing in leadership [8].
Is there a reason this is missing, or did I just overlooked it?
As far as I can see the governemt in 2014 took Ebola_virus_cases_in_the_United_States much more serious (maybe too serious, can't tell) than this Pandemic in the early stage.
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In the Virginia data under “Current number of non-repatriated cases by state”, update “1250” to “1484” and update “27” to “34”. Data is from this morning; source is the same as provided. Agmudd ( talk) 19:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Internal CDC emails show how public health officials fumbled communication and underestimated the threat of the coronavirus as it gained a foothold in the United States.
X1\ ( talk) 00:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations. X1\ ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
—§— T3g5JZ50GLq ( talk) 11:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
There is no data in this section anymore. Was it moved elsewhere? DrHenley ( talk) 14:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Someone removed it last night and claimed they were making a better version, really until they make a better version it probably should be returned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.162.230.27 ( talk) 14:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I think the user who keeps removing the table believes it is somehow inaccurate? Just because it's not always updated in a timely manner doesn't mean it is wrong. There is also a seemingly-ongoing battle in the order of the deaths and recoveries columns, which is messing things up. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:37, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we put a clarifying statement next to the chart to that effect? Many times timely data is more important than precise data (within reasonable bounds.) And I wouldn't want to kick off a flame war 'cause someone thought they were being dissed. ( User talk:24.5.158.255)
Perhaps this continued removal of the section table by one (!) user should be considered vandalism, and the user being actioned for it. youdonotneedtoknowmyrealname ( talk) 06:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:7F15:1401:8100:C7AA:795A:18E1 ( talk)
Needs justification, specially since it's made right on the lead paragraph. Any primary source did it? Also, if the US death toll is indeed at around 3,100 deaths (as given here, in an already used reliable source, as of this writing: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) then it's no longer the sixth country with the most deaths, but the fourth or third. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:185E:CD68:C02D:B384:FF59:7381 ( talk) 06:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed that some countries are using chart "type = line" or "type = stackedrect" instead of using "type = rect". This is actually very mixed. What is the standard and how should each individual-country page use it? For daily new cases/deaths I find it very helpful do see numeric evolution (rect) instead of line.
The next topic is if there is a way to show counting of days since Case 1 per country. Does anybody know? tx. A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammadeusy ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
In subheading 5: Social impacts, there's a map close to the top which has a link in the text area: "Full map including municipalities". I clicked on it and there's an empty map file there. -- Dutchy45 ( talk) 12:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Maine now has 275 confirmed cases, 3 deaths, 41 recoveries, 231 active cases. (From 211 confirmed, 1 death, 16 recoveries, 194 active) Lewis Christopher S ( talk) 15:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
It looks like Massachusetts has been in lock-down since 3/23/2020. The map of lock-down states still shows it uncolored. It would be fantastic to see this updated.
Cortis Clark ( talk) 18:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
The following: "Further information: Timeline of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States" does not appear at all on my Galaxy 8 Android Wikipedia App. 2600:8802:3000:630:100D:76F1:BF09:D3C4 ( talk) 19:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Ohio is now up to 2199 infected with 55 deaths — Preceding unsigned comment added by XNanoWarriorx ( talk • contribs) 22:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
In at least 10 government reports from 2003 to 2015, federal officials predicted the U.S. would experience a shortage of ventilators and other medical supplies if it faced a large-scale infectious disease outbreak.
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations.
X1\ ( talk) 05:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump administration officials declined an offer for congressional coronavirus funding on February 5. The officials, including HHS Secretary Alex Azar, said they “didn’t need emergency funding, that they would be able to handle it within existing appropriations,” Sen. Chris Murphy recalled. Murphy said the funding he and other congressional leaders wanted to allocate in February would have paid for essential preventative measures, including hiring local screening and testing staff, researching a vaccine and treatments, and the stockpiling of needed medical supplies.
X1\ ( talk) 05:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration donated more than 35,000 pounds of “masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials” to China the same day the World Health Organization warned about “the limited stock of PPE ( personal protective equipment).” The first known case of coronavirus case in U.S. was confirmed by the CDC on January 21, 2020. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced the donation to China on February 7.
X1\ ( talk) 05:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump believes the inspector general Glenn A. Fine overseeing the $500 billion relief fund will first need his permission to make reports to Congress.
In a signing statement, released hours after Trump signed the bill, Trump suggested he can gag the IG and can decide what information the IG could share with Congress.
X1\ ( talk) 05:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration ignored a White House playbook that was created in 2016 to help fight back against a potential pandemic.
The National Security Council (NSC) playbook lays out strategies and recommendations that an administration should take, including moving swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, securing supplemental funding and considering invoking the Defense Production Act, and making sure there are sufficient personal protective equipment available for healthcare workers. The NSC created the guide — officially titled the “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — in 2016 and the Trump administration was briefed on it in 2017, but administration officials ignored it, and it never became official policy.
X1\ ( talk) 23:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
See 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations. X1\ ( talk) 01:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Beth Cameron was the Senior Director for Global Health Security and Biodefense on the White House National Security Council until John Bolton dissolved her office. She is also the author of the unused government pandemic playbook:
X1\ ( talk) 04:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The Pentagon has not shipped 2,000 ventilators because FEMA and the HHS have not asked for them or provided a shipping location. Lt. General Giovanni Tuck there are 1,000 ventilators fully ready to be shipped as soon as the Pentagon gets a destination of where to send them. The other 1,000 can also be assembled and shipped within days of getting the order.
X1\ ( talk) 05:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Taxpayers paid $13.8 million to a company to design a low-cost ventilator. Instead, the company is selling it overseas.
X1\ ( talk) 05:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
See previous similar at Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 5#example of effects of Trump's promotion of unproven drugs, add here?.
The Trump administration is encouraging the FDA to approve another unproven drug as a possible coronavirus treatment, despite career officials’ concerns about the risks and limited evidence that the drug would work. Most recently, Trump has championed Avigan ( Favipiravir), a decades-old flu drug, despite global regulators and U.S. researchers expressing concern about the drug’s risks, such as birth defects, and that the Chinese data is insufficient.
X1\ ( talk) 06:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump approved a proposal to delay payment of certain tariffs for 90 days. An executive could is expected as soon as this week and would give the Treasury Department the authority to direct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to delay collecting “most-favored nation” tariffs on imports.
X1\ ( talk) 06:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Notable example ( Jay Inslee too): Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said her state is not getting the health and safety equipment needed because contractors are sending their products to the federal government, implying that the order came from the Trump administration. On Friday, Trump said he had instructed Mike Pence not to call governors who have not been “appreciative” enough of his efforts on coronavirus. “If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call,” Trump said, adding: “Don’t call the woman in Michigan.”
When PBS's Yamiche Alcindor noted that the President had said he did not believe that governors actually need all the equipment they claimed they did, Trump said, "I didn't say that" — even though he said precisely that on Fox News on Thursday. Later, when CNN White House Correspondent Jeremy Diamond noted that Trump had said he wanted governors to be "appreciative" of him, and that "if they don't treat you right, I don't call," Trump said, "But I didn't say that" — even though he said precisely that at the Friday briefing.
per Daniel Dale and Tara Subramaniam Fact check: Trump falsely denies saying two things he said last week March 30, 2020 CNN
See Veracity of statements by Donald Trump
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X1\ ( talk) 08:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I added the option "|yScaleType=log" to make the y axis, total cases of COVID-19, a log scale. This makes the information available over the whole timeline, and shows the rate of growth of cases the same way throughout the timeline.
The first time I did this it was immediately reverted on the basis that the ordinary user would not understand what a log scale was and would be misled by the plot. The second time, I added a line of text to explain what a log axis does for this plot, and indeed another editor added a link to logarithmic scale. But someone updating the data for the plot, which is done daily, accidentally broke this plot and the third plot, and published them that way. That editor or another editor fixed both plots, and in the process deleted the "|yScaleType=log" option. So, this time I added comments to the editors on how to keep the log scale if they need to fix a broken chart.
If the people maintaining the data in these plots have problems updating them as log plots, we need to give up and leave them as linear plots or use one of the other chart templates to make them easier to maintain. It has occurred to me that these plots summarize data from
and I wonder if it is feasible to make these charts update automatically when the source page is updated.
I think the other two charts at the end of the article should be on a log scale too, for the same reasons. But, bar charts are best for linear plots, and I think that they would be best presented as line charts with data symbols, like the first plot. I'll wait for comments here before I change the second two plots. -- motorfingers : Talk 20:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Please bring back the bar graphs. Elenaschifirnet ( talk) 16:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
motorfingers — Given that you have encuontered reverts, as well as a post below opposing your changes, it would be best to use the talk page to gain consensus first before continuing. Thanks. CUA 27 ( talk) 16:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
The page has switched to log-scale charts. The majority of the population can't read these, and they hide the exponential nature of trends. If the logarithmic charts are necessary, please try to include standard charts with reduced timeframe as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.128.72.144 ( talk) 14:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we should bring back the bar graphs for new cases, deaths, and recoveries for the following reasons:
1) Although I understand that line charts show a trend better than a bar, most people find line charts not as visually informative as bars (some psychology stats book, don't remember now where exactly I read that) 2) A log plot is confusing, require additional processing, and if not used correctly, it can be drastically misleading (here I can provide citations, it's another psych stats book). For example, it hides the exponential aspect of the data, which in the case of this pandemic is essential information not only for regular citizens to know what to expect and prepare, but also for policy makers with no training in epidemiology. Likewise, a linear chart leads to more estimations ("guesses") than the bar charts because it explicitly requires extra processing to check the Y axis back and forth. So the longer the graph is (which we will unfortunately have), the content is likely lost to the eye even if the trend is better visualized. Remember that the vast majority of Wikipedia readers are not used to reading graphs every day, so we should put up the data in the easiest to understand way, which, in my opinion, is bar graphs. 3) Keep it consistent across Wikipedia pages; all other countries (or at least the first 20 or so I clicked on) have bar graphs. Keeping data in the same visual format enables quick comparisons between countries. 4) Keep it consistent with the official reporting sites, e.g. CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html.
That being said, I don't see why we can't have all graphs. Elenaschifirnet ( talk) 18:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of this article is to convey information. That is the priority requirement in writing and editing. I think that if this requires a reference to log scale in a tutorial thumbnail to reach some people, than, if the information conveyed is significantly increased, then this is a good approach that should be considered. I'm not a fan of arguments that we must not raise the bar for understanding common graphics technicques like log scales.
The point that log scales "hide" exponential growth is another consideration. Note that the exponential growth is a single point to be made, while the log scale makes clear what is happening with the data throughout the timeline, something that a linear plot cannot do with data that shows exponential growth.
I'm OK with combining the three log plots into one to make the relationship between the total cases, the new cases, and the deaths clearar. I'm OK with bringing back the bar charts as linear plots with the numbers above, or log charts with the nubers in the bars near the top. My principal concern is that daily maintenance involves extending the date lables in the x axis and editing or replacing the y axis data, and if we have two sets of plots with the same data, the editor that updates the plots must update both plots. With the template we are using now, that can be done with a clipborad copy, but it's still added work.
My personal rule for posting is to present a solution when I present a problem, so in that vein I suggest that we put the three log scale plots on one graphic, and bring back at least one log plot to show the exponential growth. If we put the linear plot that shows exponential growth first anc caption it as showing the exponential growth, it need not be updated daily, or at all. I think this, with an improvement in the log scale tutorial thumbnail, is the best way to satisfy all the comments. -- motorfingers : Talk 21:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree with most people on here that we need to bring back the bar graphs. Most people will not intuitively grasp log scales, and really they are good for rates of change not showing exponential growth which is both real and hidden. Mattximus ( talk) 02:07, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I noticed the bar graphs were replaced by log scale line graphs, and agreed with others that it was a poor choice and should return to the bar graphs. Mattximus ( talk) 02:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
First, I brought back the bar plots, and put them on a linear axis. Secod, I left the log plots below the original plots.
The format is that the linear scale plots are shown first, then the text with the log scale tutorial thumbnail, then the three log plots. My next change will be to combine the three log plots into one chart, probably later today.
I believe that this will satisfy the many people who will never accept a log scale, while providing information about the pandemic over the entirety of it recent history. Combining the log charts was always my eventual goal, because this shows iformation about how the three datasets are related, something that is not done elsewhere.-- motorfingers : Talk 13:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Well done folks. This is exactly how the talk page is supposed to work. Thanks to all who helped point out problems and solutions and helped work towards consensus. CUA 27 ( talk) 17:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
These are copied from the Template_talk:2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_data/United_States_medical_cases_by_state page.
Most states are not reporting recoveries and active cases, but people are adding them anyway despite lacking an RS for them. Many states however are reporting hospitalizations and the number of tests run, so either of those numbers could be added depending on how useful they are deemed to be. b uidh e 21:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Most states are not reporting active cases, but people are adding them anyway despite lack of a primary source. Many states are reporting hospitalizations so those numbers should be added. A major goal of the lock down orders is to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Recommend recoveries or total released be kept as there are states that still report this. Z ygert h 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hospital column has been added. This tracks state reported hospitalizations, and cumulative hospitalization are preferred if that data is provided. Z ygert h Z ygert h 23:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Data for hospitalizations is available for 8 out of 14 states where I have checked the state's official data page. Z ygert h 02:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I object to removing the active cases — it is a statistic that many people follow, and the statistic is also present in other country articles. I have no objection to adding hospitalizations. CUA 27 ( talk) 17:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
It looks like several maps (including the infobox map) now include cases in American Samoa, but I cannot find any citations to support this and the text and tables do not currently support this. Neither the CDC nor Johns Hopkins report cases in American Samoa. Can anyone find a citation for American Samoa, or correct the maps?-- Cincotta1 ( talk) 18:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I recently had a new paragraph deleted by reversion because it referenced CDC data on influenza and pneumonia death rate, then drew conclusions. I removed the conclusions and added back the referenced data and even that was deleted by reversion seconds later. The paragraph that I inserted in State number of non-repatriated cases by date, between the last two charts, is:
I believe that this is a fact, and is referenced properly to a source with high credibility, i.e. the CDC [1]. The last short sentence, "The death rate from COVID-19 exceeded that [of the CDC data for flu/pneumonia] on March 30 2020" pushes the boundary because it is an interpretation, however obvious, and possibly that concluding short sentence should be removed. But the fact that the death rate from COVID-19 now exceeds that flu/pneumonia death rate (average over seasonal variations) does belong here because it addresses the commonly heard argument that COVID-19 is less deadly than the flu.
The reason cited, "original research," implies to me that there is a misunderstanding here. I believe that such problems are best dealt with by better communication. I am struggling to do that. Please reply here what you think. -- motorfingers : Talk 21:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. See WP:SNOW. VQuakr ( talk) 17:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States → 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in the United States – À la 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Another move will be conducted in the future when the 30-day moratorium on the umbrella article will go away. Soumyabrata stay at home wash your hands to protect from coronavirus 10:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
can we have a death rate by age chart? Jackzhp ( talk) 11:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Enough with the charts! This one is already so wide it's not possible to read on some monitors without scrolling. When this pandemic is finally over, the chart will be three miles wide! -- Veggies ( talk) 11:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree. This and the charts in 'State number of non-repatriated cases by date' are all way too big. At least make them scrollable or something. Mysticdan ( talk) 12:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, this one is unnecessary. VQuakr ( talk) 17:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I know it’s a known issue. Can’t something be done about pictures and graphics taking days to update, if at all? If you click on a graphic and pull up the image itself it shows the updated version but going back to the inline display still shows an older version. Text updates are real time (if the page is refreshed). Why aren’t images?? This could lead to confusion or inaccurate information being gleaned by readers who might not know to click on an image to get the latest updated version. I know that clearing cached data in the mobile app settings prompts the app to get the most recent version of the images. But that doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. Cached data is great for reducing the amount of data downloaded needlessly BUT when an image is changed then the cache needs to ALSO be updated with that new image. It’s so frustrating. Kjpmi ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Add United States House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis, with Jim Clyburn chair, per
X1\ ( talk) 02:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
It looks that there are more recoveries than cases. For example, if we assume the shortest infection duration of about 14 days, we can see 8878 recoveries on April 1. These people should have been confirmed cases, at the latest, on March 16. According to the graphs, there were not that many cases in the country then. Or tests performed. And that's just for one day. But if we add the last few days of recoveries, for sure it does not match the total (cumulative) confirmed cases at the time there was supposed to be an infection. Confirmation of both infection and recovery is based on the PCR test, right? Am I missing something or is our data quite wrong? The data would make sense only if the case confirmation/recovery is based not a positive/negative test, but on presence/lack of symptoms. I hope I'm making sense. 2601:240:D780:C190:24D0:CE65:99E5:CE49 ( talk) 15:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
On other countries' pages (Canada, Italy) the green recovered graph is daily recoveries, but on the USA page it shows cumulative recoveries, which is confusing. At least, the 8878 recoveries is in line with sources I see reporting about 10k recoveries for the USA, and the statistical likelihood of there being exactly 15 recoveries for that many days in a row made me realize that the numbers on that graph are cumulative, and that was simply a stretch during which no recoveries were recorded. - R 75.157.179.170 ( talk) 16:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
There are loads of blanks on the table, and I know Illinois has 2 recovered patients, but someone keeps reverting my edits. NatChu666 ( talk) 17:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
The coronavirus task force placed a moratorium on the USAID’s overseas shipments of personal protective gear after officials discovered that aid to foreign countries wasn’t being coordinated with U.S. requests for aid from those same countries. Roughly 280 million masks in the U.S. were purchased by foreign buyers on Monday the 30th, according to Forbes. Vessel manifests maintained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection show a steady flow of the medical equipment needed to treat the coronavirus being shipped abroad as recently as March 17. FEMA, meanwhile, said the agency “has not actively encouraged or discouraged U.S. companies from exporting overseas,” and has asked USAID to send back its reserves of protective gear stored in warehouses for use in the U.S.
X1\ ( talk) 02:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration (currently) plans to use the federal stimulus package to pay hospitals to treat uninsured people with the coronavirus. Hospitals would have to agree not to bill the patients or issue unexpected charges. Trump, meanwhile, hinted that he is considering using Medicare and Medicaid to pay for health care for the uninsured after he decided to not reopen the Affordable Care Act’s insurance markets.
Previously (recently);
The Trump administration will not reopen the Affordable Care Act’s marketplace to allow uninsured Americans to purchase health care coverage during the coronavirus pandemic. Americans who recently lost their jobs will still be able to obtain health insurance – people who lose job-based insurance qualify to enroll, but are required to provide proof that they lost their coverage. A special enrollment period, however, would have made it easier for people to enroll and would have provided an option for people who chose not to buy health insurance this year but want it now. Instead, Trump has promoted short-term health insurance alternatives, which allow enrollment year-round, but the plans offer skimpier coverage and typically exclude insurance protections for preexisting conditions.
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Removed this:
He first invoked the act to direct industry production on March 27, instructing the HHS to compel
General Motors to manufacture ventilators, after negotiations with the company stalled. He also appointed
Peter Navarro to oversee enforcement of the act.
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regarding the
Defense Production Act of 1950, per John Fritze and Jayne O'Donnell
Trump hasn't ordered any ventilators from GM, despite saying he was using wartime powers to force production April 3, 2020 USA Today
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Instead, include:
Trump signed a Defense Production Act order requiring 3M to prioritize N95 respirator mask orders from the U.S. government, cutting off 3M’s ability to export face masks abroad. 3M also said the administration asked it to stop exporting masks to Canada and Latin America, which the company said raises “significant humanitarian implications” and will backfire by causing other countries to retaliate against the U.S.
Trade and legal experts agree that new mandates could cause other governments to clamp down on exports of masks, ventilator parts and pharmaceuticals that the U.S. needs.
Related to #Outflow of medical supplies from the U.S., add ? X1\ ( talk) 02:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
References
Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations:
per Trump administration ended coronavirus detection program March 2, 2020 LATimes.com
The Trump administration ended the PREDICT (USAID) pandemic early-warning program in China two months before the coronavirus started spreading in Wuhan. The PREDICT program identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses. It also trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories. Field work ceased when the funding for PREDICT ran out in September 2019, and organizations that worked on the program laid off dozens of scientists and analysts.
X1\ ( talk) 00:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The Trump administration changed its description of the Strategic National Stockpile after Jared Kushner suggested that the stockpile wasn’t meant for states to use.
“And the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile,” Kushner said during the White House coronavirus task force press conference. “It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.” The HHS website previously described the stockpile as the “nation’s largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out.” After journalists noted that Kushner’s claim contradicted the program’s description, the website was updated to say “The Strategic National Stockpile’s role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies. Many states have products stockpiled, as well.”
For the centrality of Kushner:
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Related: update Stockpile status?
Half of the national stockpile of ventilators have been distributed and there are now fewer than 10,000 still available. An estimated 32,000 ventilators may be needed by mid-April, when crisis is expected to peak. Meanwhile, FEMA said most of the 100,000 new ventilators that Trump promised won’t be available until the end of June “at the earliest.”
X1\ ( talk) 04:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Also posted at Talk:Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic:
Economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis project that the number of unemployed Americans could reach as high as 47 million – about 32% – as a result of the coronavirus. St. Louis Fed economist Miguel Faria-e-Castro wrote in a research paper last week that this is “a rather unique shock that is unlike any other experienced by the U.S. economy in the last 100 years.”
X1\ ( talk) 06:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just FYI, I understand that clearing cached data in the app will allow the images to update but that doesn’t fix the fundamental problem! If an image is updated, it should be flagged somehow by Wikipedia so that the app doesn’t just default to the cached image. Cached data is great for limiting data from being downloaded every time a page is visited but if content is actually updated the cache should be updated for that image as well! Kjpmi ( talk) 18:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I know that clearing cached data in the mobile app settings prompts the app to get the most recent version of the images. But that doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. Cached data is great for reducing the amount of data downloaded needlessly BUT when an image is changed then the cache needs to ALSO be updated with that new image. It’s so frustrating. Kjpmi ( talk) 18:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump learned that his close friend, 78-year-old New York real estate mogul Stan Chera, had contracted COVID-19 and fallen into a coma at NewYork-Presbyterian.
X1\ ( talk) 06:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump bragged about the ratings of his coronavirus task force briefings, tweeting that the rise in ratings is driving the media “CRAZY” while suggesting that the viewership is fueling discussions in the media about ending the practice of broadcasting them live. Trump sent about a half-dozen tweets touting the high television ratings while selectively citing an article that compared them to " The Bachelor" and " Monday Night Football." News outlets have struggled with how to cover Trump’s coronavirus press briefings live because Trump "has repeatedly delivered information that doctors and public health officials have called ill informed, misleading, or downright wrong."
See Veracity of statements by Donald Trump and Misinformation related to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. X1\ ( talk) 05:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Nebraska has an extra column in the fatalities table — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skagraw ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Background and preparations:
Trump administration officials HHS Secretary Alex Azar and Tim Morrison, then a special assistant to the President and senior director for weapons of mass destruction and biodefense on the National Security Council, listed the threat of a pandemic as the issue that worried them most at the BioDefense Summit in April 2019. Trump, meanwhile, has repeatedly claimed that “Nobody knew there’d be a pandemic or an epidemic of this proportion.”
per
X1\ ( talk) 00:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Related: February 3 Army briefing fatality projections (more contrary to Trump), add?
A February 3 prepared unclassified Army briefing document on the coronavirus projected that “between 80,000 and 150,000 could die.” The estimates also correctly stated that asymptomatic people could “easily” transmit the virus, that military forces could be tasked with providing logistics and medical support to civilians, including “provid[ing] PPE (N-95 Face Mask, Eye Protection, and Gloves) to evacuees, staff, and DoD personnel.”
On Feb. 24, Trump tweeted, “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA” and two days later, Trump claimed that 15 known cases of coronavirus inside the U.S. “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
X1\ ( talk) 01:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
White House economists published a study in September 2019 that warned a pandemic could kill a half million Americans and devastate the economy. The study specifically urged Americans not to conflate the risks of a typical influenza and a pandemic.
X1\ ( talk) 05:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
See Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. X1\ ( talk) 07:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Related to Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 3#Government response — Preparedness (to a lesser extent Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 6#failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook, add?)
X1\ ( talk) 08:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States § Employment effects:
See related Talk:Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic § U.S. employment impact, add?.
The unemployment rate is probably around 13% – higher than at any point since the Great Depression; per https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/upshot/coronavirus-jobless-rate-great-depression.html
X1\ ( talk) 01:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Added to this is: Americans are underestimating how long coronavirus disruptions will last, public health experts warn. While coronavirus cases are expected to peak in mid-April, quickly reopening businesses or loosening shelter-in-place rules would inevitably lead to a new surge of infections, they said; per
Helen Branwell April 3, 2020
Statnews.com
X1\ ( talk) 08:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
If Wikipedia doesn't have the capability to keep the state-by-state statistics up-to-date, then don't log the numbers, and let Johns Hopkins do this job. I don't understand why Google is sourcing numbers from a fricking half-assed Wikipedia page. Inaccurate statistics are more dangerous than no statistics at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.208.224 ( talk) 11:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The recoveries chart is the only one that shows cumulative cases instead of daily cases like the other charts. In the interest of consistency both with the other charts on our page and similar charts on other countries' pages, could we have the recoveries chart also showing daily new recoveries instead of a cumulative number? For more detail on why the cumulative graph is confusing, see the "More recovered than actual cases?" section above. Thanks to whoever is doing the editing of the page. I appreciate your promptness in keeping this page updated and solving issues in a very timely manner. WikiUser70176 ( talk) 18:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
With 239,000 cases in the U.S., I think it's time to cut the separate accounting for repatriated and Diamond Princess cases out of the table "Cases in the United States per the CDC" in the "CDC reported U.S. totals". 49 cases out of a quarter of a million really is well below the noise level. Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 00:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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Change to States with a lockdown order or advisory Virginia - June 10, 2020
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References
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Numerous sources including BBC News are now reporting that (in those jurisdictions that are including race in their reporting of cases), a hugely disproportionate percentage of cases and deaths are African American: [4]. Numerous contributing factors have been put forward. 97.116.51.145 ( talk) 03:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
From Talk:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States/Archive 6 § unshipped Pentagon venilators, add ?:
Is there an update on the unshipped Pentagon venilators? X1\ ( talk) 07:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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In the table under Social impacts | Lockdowns, where a citation was requested, I did not find a reliable reference that confirms the date. The current date for the Oklahoma lockdown appears to be wrong. Please change April 2, 2020 to March 24, 2020. [1] --vann_ish 07:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)