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I am from the Philippines. Can anyone update the live results on the table in the main page? Marc Raphael Felix ( talk) 02:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Marc Raphael Felix ( talk) 02:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that it says the vote percentage has been updated on Nov 5, 12:49pm EST, even though EST is just about to be 4am. Was it meant to say am? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.56.77.83 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the lead, second paragraph, first sentence, please change "retraction" to "recession." "Retraction" is clearly the wrong word. It probably stems from confusion with the term "economic contraction." Ubzerver ( talk) 22:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Change to be elected president;[d][9][10] in addition, his running mate Harris would become the first woman to serve as vice president to to be elected president.[d][9][10] In addition, his running mate, Harris, would become the first woman to serve as vice president
These are embarrassing errors to have in an article that is getting as many readers as this one! Qc1okay ( talk) 01:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC) Qc1okay ( talk) 01:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I would update this myself if I were able to yet, but multiple sites under the state predictions section have dates marked from a couple weeks ago at least, and a lot of polling has come out since then. For example I noticed Michigan and Louisiana have moved up to Solid for their respective parties on 538 (though only very recently). CNN, The Economist, 270towin, CBS, ABC, and NPR have also likely been updated but I am not willing to comb through those for a wiki page that I cannot edit anyway. Predictions are bound to fluctuate in the coming days so maybe it's just not worth it to play whack-a-mole with them. Spondborber ( talk) 02:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I think it would be prudent to protect the articles for the states, at least the competitive ones. There's going to be a lot of disinformation and bad actors who very likely will try to put fake results in/call it when the reported votes are still volatilely changing. DemonDays64 ( talk) 00:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
Trump for Kentucky Biden for Vermont MMessine19 ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
According to google 2020 election results MMessine19 ( talk) 00:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump for West Virginia MMessine19 ( talk) 00:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Biden for Virginia MMessine19 ( talk) 00:40, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump in South Carolina. NYT. PackMecEng ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Illinois for Biden Politico. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 01:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Folks - please be consistent. Is the consensus that NO results are to be entered for 12 hours, or that results can be entered 12 hours after polls close? I'm reading it as "after 12 hours", but it's not clear whether that refers to vote tallies (many of which won't be complete for days) or projected winners - and how you would enter projected winners if you're not including vote tallies. Risker ( talk) 02:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Vallee01, please stop adding those sentences to "results by state" they don't belong there and your information is not sourced to a source that is good enough. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
HeartGlow30797 Please see this discussion (and all the other discussions on this page) and revert your changes. There is consensus to not add the popular vote information until at least 12 hours after the polls close, and it seems consensus has not yet been achieved to add any results at all. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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"Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party nominated their respective presidential tickets at party conventions held in late August. Incumbent president Donald Trump easily secured the Republican nomination. Joe Biden became the Democratic Party's nominee after defeating other moderate and progressive challengers in the Democratic Party primaries"
The Republican and the Democratic parties nominated their presidential tickets at their respective party conventions which were held in late August. The Republican presidential nominee is incumbent president Donald Trump. The Democratic nominee is former vice president Joe Biden. Both candidates have picked their vice presidents. President Trump picked incumbent vice president Mike Pence and former vice president Biden picked senator Kamala Harris from the state of California. -- 75.84.168.86 ( talk) 01:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
When elections come up there is usually colors on the map. CycoMa ( talk) 03:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Votes cannot be cast after the Poles are closed!—it's literally true, but it is a mere truism. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 06:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
If only 1 or 2 (or more) news organizations call the race for a candidate, should we mention in the article that they have called the race, despite most media organizations not calling the race yet? For example, "Fox News has projected that Donald Trump will be re-elected. None of the other major media organizations have projected a winner yet." To be clear, this wouldn't be us "calling" the race- it would just being us giving due weight to a major media organization projection. Prcc27 ( talk) 06:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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Add the US economy to "Issues" section.
According to this Washington Post article, roughly a third of voters named the economy as their most important issue.
Here's a relevent snippet, and thanks for taking a look:
Preliminary exit polls showed about a third of voters said the economy was the most important issue in their vote, while roughly 2 in 10 listed the coronavirus or racial inequality. Smaller shares named crime or health-care policy, according to the polls, conducted by Edison Research.
Among Trump supporters, the most important issue was the economy, which about 6 in 10 named. Among Biden supporters, meanwhile, roughly a third said racial inequality was the most important issue to their vote, while slightly fewer named the pandemic.
The preliminary data showed voters nationally are divided about the state of the economy. Roughly half rated it negatively, with about 2 in 10 voters calling the economy “poor” — the lowest rating available to survey takers. About half of voters rated the economy positively, with about 1 in 10 calling it 2601:603:400:964:1883:EFF9:C8DC:ABC8 ( talk) 14:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hello. If either presidential nominee has won the state for this election, is there any way to color the state that will be either red or blue after the state results (for instance: Biden won California, so color that state blue)? -- Allen ( talk / ctrb) 20:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
How? 198.161.4.44 ( talk) 20:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
It's there now, in Ongoing. It will get a blurb as soon as there is a result. Jehochman Talk 04:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
The article says Biden gave a speech "after midnight" - but doesn't specify which timezone. Likewise, Trump spoke "at 2:30am" but neglects to point out it was EST. 198.161.4.44 ( talk) 20:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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please fill in the current map according to https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/04/us/election-results 71.183.143.126 ( talk) 22:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
@ UpdateNerd: It is true that according to the AP and Fox News, calling Nevada would give Biden the 270 electoral votes he needs to win. But other networks have not yet called Arizona, as they think the mail-in votes could allow Trump to win. [1] Because they don't have Arizona, calling Nevada would still leave Biden behind 270 on the other networks, so I don't think we should say that winning Nevada means Biden wins. Election calls by networks can be tracked here. [2]. — Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 21:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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I find the nominee tables too large. I propose a few changes to reduce the height: merge the party symbol and header into one line, remove manual line breaks in the description below the photo, merge the campaign logo and link into one line, and limit the campaign logo height to 100px. See the examples below. What do you think? Heitordp ( talk) 21:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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In the subsection "Election Night" of the section "results," change: "Shortly before 2:30 a.m. EST, Trump made a speech to a roomful of supporters, falsely asserting that he had won the election and calling for a stop to all vote counting, saying that continued counting was "a fraud on the American people" and that "we will be going to the U.S. Supreme Court."" To: "Shortly before 2:30 a.m. EST, Trump made a speech to a roomful of supporters, falsely asserting that he had won the election. He also said that "we want all voting to stop" and that "we will be going to the U.S. Supreme Court," although it was unclear whether he meant that he wanted an end to active voting or an end to the counting of votes."
[The same references already used will work here. I think that this is a useful edit because the existing version seems a little bit partisan and doesn't actually represent what the candidate said.] Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 16:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I see – that makes sense, I didn't realize the Wikipedia community had already reached that conclusion.~~User:Kokopelli7309~~
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Change the projected number of Biden delegates from 279 to 273 – the source that you cited here, NBC news, has not yet called Arizona. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 18:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
done CNN hasn't called either.
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Never mind, actually, NBC just called the state. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 18:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Give Joe Nevada, he just carried it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.250.17.50 ( talk) 07:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
He was the 47th. It says 46th in his face box. That's all. LordQwert ( talk) 18:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Why was Maine-2 removed from the Trump column? 331dot ( talk) 18:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
NY Times, Associated Press, The Guardian, Fox News, and NPR have all called Nevada for Biden, as he leads with a margin of 2%. Should it be confirmed on the page now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TempestSounds ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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50.243.74.86 ( talk) 23:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
President on INDIA RAMNATH KOVIND WROTE: "My sincere felicitations to Joseph R Biden on his election as President of the United States of America and @KamalaHarris, as Vice President,"
Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi wrote: Congratulations @JoeBiden on your spectacular victory! As the VP, your contribution to strengthening Indo-US relations was critical and invaluable
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Near the beginning of the article (at the beginning of the fifth paragraph), the page currently reads:
Central issues of the election included the impact of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, which has left more than 230,000 Americans dead; dealing with the Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States; protests in reaction to the police killing of George Floyd and others...
Please change `Economic' to `economic'. Thanks! BentSm ( talk) 04:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Thanks!
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>There is still some uncertainty around the outcome of the election, given the possibility of recounts and potential legal challenges. We must therefore wait until there is clarity around any recounts and any potential legal challenges before we can settle the election market.
https://twitter.com/BetfairCS/status/1325122230779568131
A betting house put money on the line and "We must therefore wait until there is clarity around any recounts and any potential legal challenges before we can settle the election market" but wikipedia has already called the election. weird how wp:NPOV has flown out the window. 2601:602:9200:1310:243B:B7E0:2AE0:FB7F ( talk) 16:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
As the electoral college vote brings forth the official result of who the president-elect will be and because that will not happen until December 14,2020, the first paragraph needs revision as well as any indication in this article that President-Elect, at this time, is Joe Biden. He is not the President-Elect because he has not been officially elected and will not be until December after the electoral college. If at that time, he is elected then he will be President-Elect until he is inaugurated in January becoming the President. The AP nor any other media outlet decides who is the next president nor does a candidate making an acceptance speech. Their predictions are not fact and should not be presented as such.
Throughout the history of US presidential elections there have been unfaithful electors as well as those electors who have not pledged, there predicted outcomes of electoral votes can be different than the final outcome of the electoral votes. This plus the fact the race is so close with votes still being counted begs the question why the author stated so boldly and concisely the following as fact, “The Democratic ticket of former vice president Joe Biden and U.S. senator from California Kamala Harris DEFEATED the Republican ticket of incumbent president Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence.” The author misleads the reader by using past tense verbiage which suggest that this result has already happened which indeed it has not. You have presented a claim, a prediction, as fact of the results of the 2020 United States Presidential Election when there has not been an official result rendered. I again ask if there is no official result therefore, no official winner and loser or victor and defeated that the first paragraph be revised to present the facts at this point in time.
Perhaps one could have instead written “The Democratic ticket of ... is projected, by news outlets? to defeat....” This example gives the appropriate verb tense of the situation and also puts in context where the author is getting his claim. These two changes alone will change the narrative from presenting something as fact into what it is a claim which will alleviate any misconception or misinterpretation by the reader of what the author has written.
Also, under graphics it readsPresident-Elect Joe Biden... Projected President-Elect is the accurate term at this point in time. HerstoryHistoryFacts ( talk) 04:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Any edit suggested by a leftist, is confirmed. Yet when it comes from the right wing, it's removed and complaints are deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19B:31A9:D928:DA6A:7406:6040 ( talk) 17:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I completely agree with the original poster. It seems that Wikipedia has gone the same way as Yahoo and many other media outlets - no commenting allowed, or, if you are commenting, anything that you write and the owners of the site don't agree with (even if what you had written wasn't at all contentious) will simply be deleted. Also, look at section 5 of this Wikipedia article - the State predictions. Wikipedia has chosen to compile this list using mostly reports from the media which are clearly left-leaning. Of the 14 projections, 1 is tossup, 1 predicts Trump's Win, while 12 predict Biden as the winner, with five of these polls predicting a win with 290 electoral votes or more. Of course, Wikipedia will just cop out by saying they were 'simply summarizing what others were reporting', conveniently forgetting that they could also have included many other polls which predicted Trump would win, but they didn't. This shows a clear bias and an attempt to become 'an influencer' in the political arena. I have been on Wikipedia for almost 20 years and have been a regular donor to Wikipedia for over 10. No more. They are not an unbiased encyclopedia and are not doing enough to make sure that some of the important articles are balanced and unimpeded with political bias.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NoWikiNoLife ( talk • contribs)
I agree and yet I got suspended because i called them out. Guitarguy2323 ( talk) 23:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I think its highly relevant, to edit out the slander from the article... I would do it myself, except I am not at that permission level. We do not need a liberal tilt, that is not what wiki is about. I also find it provocative to use politico as a reference source.I feel is a biased foreign interest manifesto and not a valid voice of the US citizen base. I did not get past the quote from politico, stating Trump Trump made frequent false claims intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, as well as refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.[5][6]g Some of those claims are surfacing in news reports regarding illegal handling of ballots, confirmed by police reports. Plus the fact that politicos quote is absolutely NOT backed by ANY evidence, its merely unsupported slander. I get that its a printed quote. Its absolutely as inappropriate as inserting quotes about Biden touching women in a way they disliked or that he in the past has committed plagiarism and lied about his involvement in apartheid. Both are printed by much more accredited sources than politico. Pretend this is a history book, and not a muck rake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krautank ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump made frequent false claims intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, as well as refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power - not objective and proven. It should be double checked later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cichy93 ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
How about "'Trump has made statements of doubt as to the legitimacy of the election ..."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terry Thorgaard ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
"Trump made frequent false claims... " - only the courts would decide if that's true or not. This should be rewritten to "Trump claims...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19B:31A9:D928:DA6A:7406:6040 ( talk) 12:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Even though the media has declared a winner (and are probably right) the wording here infers that they actually have the authority to call the election.
“By November 7, Biden and Harris were declared winners by all major news outlets projecting the results, including ABC, the Associated Press, CNN, Fox News, NBC, The New York Times, and Reuters.[11]” Rthonginh ( talk) 23:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Symmachus Auxaliarus and Nojus R, I know media outlets have called a winner, has it been officially confirmed by government officials, such as a Secretary of State’s office or a returning officer, who the winner is in each state? I would rather go with that for the actual result, and not merely mass media. AlJenko98 ( talk) 01:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Here in Wikipedia we repeat what the mainstream media says. We do not wait for official statements. 2001:14B8:1810:9A7:7DE1:97EC:B734:32C9 ( talk) 08:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
No one is declared a winner as president of the United States until the Electoral College announces their decisions or the loser concedes the election per U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1. Announcements as a "winner" via media or social networking is purely a "projection", and not a clear winner. This needs to be clearly stated on the article and the home page "In The News". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.85.7.18 ( talk) 17:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Under any other (mentally competent and with manners at least somewhat better than those of a horny gorilla) incumbent President, the President-elect would already be receiving national security briefings and co-operating with the departing government to ensure continuity of government and a smooth transfer to new leadership. Seems to me like this means they've "won", that the unofficial result reached by the initial count is customarily accepted until the opposite result is proved - INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, right? Would we even have been having this conversation with a statesman-like and nominally human leader in the Oval? 194.68.20.77 ( talk) 16:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
"Voters will select presidential electors who in turn will vote on December 14, 2020, to either elect a new president and vice president or reelect the incumbents Donald Trump and Mike Pence respectively."
to
"States will nominate presidential electors who will vote on December 14, 2020, to either elect a new president and/or vice president or reelect the incumbents Donald Trump and/or Mike Pence respectively."
Reasoning:
1. The votes of the people technically don't matter. So "States will nominate" is more accurate.
2. It is possible for a new president to be elected while the old vice president remains or the other way around. It is highly unlikely that it would happen, as it would rely on faithless electors, but it is possible.
Dieknon ( talk) 14:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I added a new campaign issues section. It's important to describe what the election was about. This is one of the most important things this article can do.— Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 19:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Due to the "consensus required" provision for this article, I won't immediately revert this absurd deletion, with no edit summary, by PackMecEng of a good sentence added by Snooganssnoogans. Here is the deleted sentence:
This is a very well-documented phenomenon with Trump. He lies constantly about the election, doing everything he can to weaken confidence in its legitimacy and to make it harder for citizens to exercise their constitutional voting rights. That sentence is factual, important, and very properly-sourced. What are the policy-based objections for complete deletion, without any attempt to follow the WP:PRESERVE policy? Let's hear them. If there is some background for this such as a previous/existing discussion or consensus, then please explain. -- Valjean ( talk) 18:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
make it harder for citizens to exercise their constitutional voting rightsa similar objection from Greens objecting to Dems efforts to keep them off ballots. Humanengr ( talk) 18:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
has nothing to do with voting rights? You're saying
infighting:
Fighting or quarreling among the members of a single group or side? Very confusing. Humanengr ( talk) 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to build a consciousness as to the most recent information, (election results) discuss what should be included what sources to be used and work how it should be worded. Thanks. Vallee01 ( talk) 00:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
here.
That the material is relevant is evident here. @ Devonian Wombat, kindly revert your removal. Humanengr ( talk) 07:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
"the ultimate verdict on President Donald Trump will be rendered by voters in the 2020 election", which could be said in relation to the election had the Mueller report never existed. Przemysl15 ( talk) 09:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Ahead of the 2020 election, both [parties] are trying to reach the slice of Americans who have not hardened to partisan positions. A June poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found 31% of Americans said they didn’t know enough to say whether Mueller’s report had completely cleared Trump of coordination with Russia and 30% didn’t know whether it had not completely cleared Trump of obstruction. A CNN poll found that just 3% said they had read the whole report. Perhaps Mueller’s testimony, with his button-down lawyer’s approach, reached some of them.Humanengr ( talk) 09:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Devonian Wombat and Przemysl15: I have provided more than sufficient evidence to counter your objections, which seem to approach WP:IDL. Humanengr ( talk) 11:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Also note this re timing. Humanengr ( talk) 12:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
With that, I propose
One day prior to the November 3, 2020 election, the Special Counsel's office released previously redacted portions of the Mueller report per the federal judge’s order in the lawsuit mentioned above filed by BuzzFeed News and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, while allowing other portions to remain redacted. [1] [2]
Humanengr ( talk) 13:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
At this point, this amounts to WP:Stonewalling. Humanengr ( talk) 13:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
References
The opening sentence runs the following:
The 2020 United States presidential election was the 59th quadrennial presidential election held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.
There is a missing comma between “presidential election” and “held on.” Formatted the way it is currently, it reads as if there were 59 presidential elections held on November 3rd 2020. Adding a comma here would bring the article in line with the other presidential election articles. Rappatic ( talk) 13:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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Under "Results by state," change the color of Alaska's row in the table to red. AP has called the state for Trump. Mlb96 ( talk) 18:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Same section, Wyoming results currently in wrong columns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntanvir ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
(but actually I see was fixed by time I wrote comment!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntanvir ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the 2020_United_States_presidential_election#False_claims_of_fraud section, I suggest changing
"Appearing at a press conference outside a Philadelphia landscaping business as Biden was being declared the winner..."
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"Appearing at a press conference outside a Philadelphia landscaping business as Biden was being declared the winner..."
I created the article on the press conference, but since I have less than 500 edits, I can't add it here due to the protection. User101010 ( talk) 21:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
This would be presumably eventually morph / blend into 'Post-election events and controversies' as for 2016. I don't have any particular suggestions other than to start us thinking about structure as the pieces roll in. Humanengr ( talk) 05:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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I am from the Philippines. Can anyone update the live results on the table in the main page? Marc Raphael Felix ( talk) 02:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Marc Raphael Felix ( talk) 02:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that it says the vote percentage has been updated on Nov 5, 12:49pm EST, even though EST is just about to be 4am. Was it meant to say am? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.56.77.83 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the lead, second paragraph, first sentence, please change "retraction" to "recession." "Retraction" is clearly the wrong word. It probably stems from confusion with the term "economic contraction." Ubzerver ( talk) 22:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Change to be elected president;[d][9][10] in addition, his running mate Harris would become the first woman to serve as vice president to to be elected president.[d][9][10] In addition, his running mate, Harris, would become the first woman to serve as vice president
These are embarrassing errors to have in an article that is getting as many readers as this one! Qc1okay ( talk) 01:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC) Qc1okay ( talk) 01:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I would update this myself if I were able to yet, but multiple sites under the state predictions section have dates marked from a couple weeks ago at least, and a lot of polling has come out since then. For example I noticed Michigan and Louisiana have moved up to Solid for their respective parties on 538 (though only very recently). CNN, The Economist, 270towin, CBS, ABC, and NPR have also likely been updated but I am not willing to comb through those for a wiki page that I cannot edit anyway. Predictions are bound to fluctuate in the coming days so maybe it's just not worth it to play whack-a-mole with them. Spondborber ( talk) 02:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I think it would be prudent to protect the articles for the states, at least the competitive ones. There's going to be a lot of disinformation and bad actors who very likely will try to put fake results in/call it when the reported votes are still volatilely changing. DemonDays64 ( talk) 00:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)
Trump for Kentucky Biden for Vermont MMessine19 ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
According to google 2020 election results MMessine19 ( talk) 00:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump for West Virginia MMessine19 ( talk) 00:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Biden for Virginia MMessine19 ( talk) 00:40, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump in South Carolina. NYT. PackMecEng ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Illinois for Biden Politico. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 01:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Folks - please be consistent. Is the consensus that NO results are to be entered for 12 hours, or that results can be entered 12 hours after polls close? I'm reading it as "after 12 hours", but it's not clear whether that refers to vote tallies (many of which won't be complete for days) or projected winners - and how you would enter projected winners if you're not including vote tallies. Risker ( talk) 02:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Vallee01, please stop adding those sentences to "results by state" they don't belong there and your information is not sourced to a source that is good enough. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
HeartGlow30797 Please see this discussion (and all the other discussions on this page) and revert your changes. There is consensus to not add the popular vote information until at least 12 hours after the polls close, and it seems consensus has not yet been achieved to add any results at all. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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"Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party nominated their respective presidential tickets at party conventions held in late August. Incumbent president Donald Trump easily secured the Republican nomination. Joe Biden became the Democratic Party's nominee after defeating other moderate and progressive challengers in the Democratic Party primaries"
The Republican and the Democratic parties nominated their presidential tickets at their respective party conventions which were held in late August. The Republican presidential nominee is incumbent president Donald Trump. The Democratic nominee is former vice president Joe Biden. Both candidates have picked their vice presidents. President Trump picked incumbent vice president Mike Pence and former vice president Biden picked senator Kamala Harris from the state of California. -- 75.84.168.86 ( talk) 01:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
When elections come up there is usually colors on the map. CycoMa ( talk) 03:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Votes cannot be cast after the Poles are closed!—it's literally true, but it is a mere truism. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 06:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
If only 1 or 2 (or more) news organizations call the race for a candidate, should we mention in the article that they have called the race, despite most media organizations not calling the race yet? For example, "Fox News has projected that Donald Trump will be re-elected. None of the other major media organizations have projected a winner yet." To be clear, this wouldn't be us "calling" the race- it would just being us giving due weight to a major media organization projection. Prcc27 ( talk) 06:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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Add the US economy to "Issues" section.
According to this Washington Post article, roughly a third of voters named the economy as their most important issue.
Here's a relevent snippet, and thanks for taking a look:
Preliminary exit polls showed about a third of voters said the economy was the most important issue in their vote, while roughly 2 in 10 listed the coronavirus or racial inequality. Smaller shares named crime or health-care policy, according to the polls, conducted by Edison Research.
Among Trump supporters, the most important issue was the economy, which about 6 in 10 named. Among Biden supporters, meanwhile, roughly a third said racial inequality was the most important issue to their vote, while slightly fewer named the pandemic.
The preliminary data showed voters nationally are divided about the state of the economy. Roughly half rated it negatively, with about 2 in 10 voters calling the economy “poor” — the lowest rating available to survey takers. About half of voters rated the economy positively, with about 1 in 10 calling it 2601:603:400:964:1883:EFF9:C8DC:ABC8 ( talk) 14:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello. If either presidential nominee has won the state for this election, is there any way to color the state that will be either red or blue after the state results (for instance: Biden won California, so color that state blue)? -- Allen ( talk / ctrb) 20:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
How? 198.161.4.44 ( talk) 20:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
It's there now, in Ongoing. It will get a blurb as soon as there is a result. Jehochman Talk 04:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
The article says Biden gave a speech "after midnight" - but doesn't specify which timezone. Likewise, Trump spoke "at 2:30am" but neglects to point out it was EST. 198.161.4.44 ( talk) 20:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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please fill in the current map according to https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/04/us/election-results 71.183.143.126 ( talk) 22:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
@ UpdateNerd: It is true that according to the AP and Fox News, calling Nevada would give Biden the 270 electoral votes he needs to win. But other networks have not yet called Arizona, as they think the mail-in votes could allow Trump to win. [1] Because they don't have Arizona, calling Nevada would still leave Biden behind 270 on the other networks, so I don't think we should say that winning Nevada means Biden wins. Election calls by networks can be tracked here. [2]. — Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 21:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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I find the nominee tables too large. I propose a few changes to reduce the height: merge the party symbol and header into one line, remove manual line breaks in the description below the photo, merge the campaign logo and link into one line, and limit the campaign logo height to 100px. See the examples below. What do you think? Heitordp ( talk) 21:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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In the subsection "Election Night" of the section "results," change: "Shortly before 2:30 a.m. EST, Trump made a speech to a roomful of supporters, falsely asserting that he had won the election and calling for a stop to all vote counting, saying that continued counting was "a fraud on the American people" and that "we will be going to the U.S. Supreme Court."" To: "Shortly before 2:30 a.m. EST, Trump made a speech to a roomful of supporters, falsely asserting that he had won the election. He also said that "we want all voting to stop" and that "we will be going to the U.S. Supreme Court," although it was unclear whether he meant that he wanted an end to active voting or an end to the counting of votes."
[The same references already used will work here. I think that this is a useful edit because the existing version seems a little bit partisan and doesn't actually represent what the candidate said.] Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 16:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I see – that makes sense, I didn't realize the Wikipedia community had already reached that conclusion.~~User:Kokopelli7309~~
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Change the projected number of Biden delegates from 279 to 273 – the source that you cited here, NBC news, has not yet called Arizona. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 18:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
done CNN hasn't called either.
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Never mind, actually, NBC just called the state. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 18:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Give Joe Nevada, he just carried it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.250.17.50 ( talk) 07:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
He was the 47th. It says 46th in his face box. That's all. LordQwert ( talk) 18:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Why was Maine-2 removed from the Trump column? 331dot ( talk) 18:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
NY Times, Associated Press, The Guardian, Fox News, and NPR have all called Nevada for Biden, as he leads with a margin of 2%. Should it be confirmed on the page now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TempestSounds ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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50.243.74.86 ( talk) 23:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
President on INDIA RAMNATH KOVIND WROTE: "My sincere felicitations to Joseph R Biden on his election as President of the United States of America and @KamalaHarris, as Vice President,"
Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi wrote: Congratulations @JoeBiden on your spectacular victory! As the VP, your contribution to strengthening Indo-US relations was critical and invaluable
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Near the beginning of the article (at the beginning of the fifth paragraph), the page currently reads:
Central issues of the election included the impact of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, which has left more than 230,000 Americans dead; dealing with the Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States; protests in reaction to the police killing of George Floyd and others...
Please change `Economic' to `economic'. Thanks! BentSm ( talk) 04:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Thanks!
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>There is still some uncertainty around the outcome of the election, given the possibility of recounts and potential legal challenges. We must therefore wait until there is clarity around any recounts and any potential legal challenges before we can settle the election market.
https://twitter.com/BetfairCS/status/1325122230779568131
A betting house put money on the line and "We must therefore wait until there is clarity around any recounts and any potential legal challenges before we can settle the election market" but wikipedia has already called the election. weird how wp:NPOV has flown out the window. 2601:602:9200:1310:243B:B7E0:2AE0:FB7F ( talk) 16:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
As the electoral college vote brings forth the official result of who the president-elect will be and because that will not happen until December 14,2020, the first paragraph needs revision as well as any indication in this article that President-Elect, at this time, is Joe Biden. He is not the President-Elect because he has not been officially elected and will not be until December after the electoral college. If at that time, he is elected then he will be President-Elect until he is inaugurated in January becoming the President. The AP nor any other media outlet decides who is the next president nor does a candidate making an acceptance speech. Their predictions are not fact and should not be presented as such.
Throughout the history of US presidential elections there have been unfaithful electors as well as those electors who have not pledged, there predicted outcomes of electoral votes can be different than the final outcome of the electoral votes. This plus the fact the race is so close with votes still being counted begs the question why the author stated so boldly and concisely the following as fact, “The Democratic ticket of former vice president Joe Biden and U.S. senator from California Kamala Harris DEFEATED the Republican ticket of incumbent president Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence.” The author misleads the reader by using past tense verbiage which suggest that this result has already happened which indeed it has not. You have presented a claim, a prediction, as fact of the results of the 2020 United States Presidential Election when there has not been an official result rendered. I again ask if there is no official result therefore, no official winner and loser or victor and defeated that the first paragraph be revised to present the facts at this point in time.
Perhaps one could have instead written “The Democratic ticket of ... is projected, by news outlets? to defeat....” This example gives the appropriate verb tense of the situation and also puts in context where the author is getting his claim. These two changes alone will change the narrative from presenting something as fact into what it is a claim which will alleviate any misconception or misinterpretation by the reader of what the author has written.
Also, under graphics it readsPresident-Elect Joe Biden... Projected President-Elect is the accurate term at this point in time. HerstoryHistoryFacts ( talk) 04:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Any edit suggested by a leftist, is confirmed. Yet when it comes from the right wing, it's removed and complaints are deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19B:31A9:D928:DA6A:7406:6040 ( talk) 17:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I completely agree with the original poster. It seems that Wikipedia has gone the same way as Yahoo and many other media outlets - no commenting allowed, or, if you are commenting, anything that you write and the owners of the site don't agree with (even if what you had written wasn't at all contentious) will simply be deleted. Also, look at section 5 of this Wikipedia article - the State predictions. Wikipedia has chosen to compile this list using mostly reports from the media which are clearly left-leaning. Of the 14 projections, 1 is tossup, 1 predicts Trump's Win, while 12 predict Biden as the winner, with five of these polls predicting a win with 290 electoral votes or more. Of course, Wikipedia will just cop out by saying they were 'simply summarizing what others were reporting', conveniently forgetting that they could also have included many other polls which predicted Trump would win, but they didn't. This shows a clear bias and an attempt to become 'an influencer' in the political arena. I have been on Wikipedia for almost 20 years and have been a regular donor to Wikipedia for over 10. No more. They are not an unbiased encyclopedia and are not doing enough to make sure that some of the important articles are balanced and unimpeded with political bias.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NoWikiNoLife ( talk • contribs)
I agree and yet I got suspended because i called them out. Guitarguy2323 ( talk) 23:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I think its highly relevant, to edit out the slander from the article... I would do it myself, except I am not at that permission level. We do not need a liberal tilt, that is not what wiki is about. I also find it provocative to use politico as a reference source.I feel is a biased foreign interest manifesto and not a valid voice of the US citizen base. I did not get past the quote from politico, stating Trump Trump made frequent false claims intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, as well as refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.[5][6]g Some of those claims are surfacing in news reports regarding illegal handling of ballots, confirmed by police reports. Plus the fact that politicos quote is absolutely NOT backed by ANY evidence, its merely unsupported slander. I get that its a printed quote. Its absolutely as inappropriate as inserting quotes about Biden touching women in a way they disliked or that he in the past has committed plagiarism and lied about his involvement in apartheid. Both are printed by much more accredited sources than politico. Pretend this is a history book, and not a muck rake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krautank ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Trump made frequent false claims intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, as well as refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power - not objective and proven. It should be double checked later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cichy93 ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
How about "'Trump has made statements of doubt as to the legitimacy of the election ..."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terry Thorgaard ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
"Trump made frequent false claims... " - only the courts would decide if that's true or not. This should be rewritten to "Trump claims...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:19B:31A9:D928:DA6A:7406:6040 ( talk) 12:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Even though the media has declared a winner (and are probably right) the wording here infers that they actually have the authority to call the election.
“By November 7, Biden and Harris were declared winners by all major news outlets projecting the results, including ABC, the Associated Press, CNN, Fox News, NBC, The New York Times, and Reuters.[11]” Rthonginh ( talk) 23:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Symmachus Auxaliarus and Nojus R, I know media outlets have called a winner, has it been officially confirmed by government officials, such as a Secretary of State’s office or a returning officer, who the winner is in each state? I would rather go with that for the actual result, and not merely mass media. AlJenko98 ( talk) 01:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Here in Wikipedia we repeat what the mainstream media says. We do not wait for official statements. 2001:14B8:1810:9A7:7DE1:97EC:B734:32C9 ( talk) 08:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
No one is declared a winner as president of the United States until the Electoral College announces their decisions or the loser concedes the election per U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1. Announcements as a "winner" via media or social networking is purely a "projection", and not a clear winner. This needs to be clearly stated on the article and the home page "In The News". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.85.7.18 ( talk) 17:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Under any other (mentally competent and with manners at least somewhat better than those of a horny gorilla) incumbent President, the President-elect would already be receiving national security briefings and co-operating with the departing government to ensure continuity of government and a smooth transfer to new leadership. Seems to me like this means they've "won", that the unofficial result reached by the initial count is customarily accepted until the opposite result is proved - INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, right? Would we even have been having this conversation with a statesman-like and nominally human leader in the Oval? 194.68.20.77 ( talk) 16:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
"Voters will select presidential electors who in turn will vote on December 14, 2020, to either elect a new president and vice president or reelect the incumbents Donald Trump and Mike Pence respectively."
to
"States will nominate presidential electors who will vote on December 14, 2020, to either elect a new president and/or vice president or reelect the incumbents Donald Trump and/or Mike Pence respectively."
Reasoning:
1. The votes of the people technically don't matter. So "States will nominate" is more accurate.
2. It is possible for a new president to be elected while the old vice president remains or the other way around. It is highly unlikely that it would happen, as it would rely on faithless electors, but it is possible.
Dieknon ( talk) 14:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I added a new campaign issues section. It's important to describe what the election was about. This is one of the most important things this article can do.— Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 19:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Due to the "consensus required" provision for this article, I won't immediately revert this absurd deletion, with no edit summary, by PackMecEng of a good sentence added by Snooganssnoogans. Here is the deleted sentence:
This is a very well-documented phenomenon with Trump. He lies constantly about the election, doing everything he can to weaken confidence in its legitimacy and to make it harder for citizens to exercise their constitutional voting rights. That sentence is factual, important, and very properly-sourced. What are the policy-based objections for complete deletion, without any attempt to follow the WP:PRESERVE policy? Let's hear them. If there is some background for this such as a previous/existing discussion or consensus, then please explain. -- Valjean ( talk) 18:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
make it harder for citizens to exercise their constitutional voting rightsa similar objection from Greens objecting to Dems efforts to keep them off ballots. Humanengr ( talk) 18:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
has nothing to do with voting rights? You're saying
infighting:
Fighting or quarreling among the members of a single group or side? Very confusing. Humanengr ( talk) 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to build a consciousness as to the most recent information, (election results) discuss what should be included what sources to be used and work how it should be worded. Thanks. Vallee01 ( talk) 00:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
here.
That the material is relevant is evident here. @ Devonian Wombat, kindly revert your removal. Humanengr ( talk) 07:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
"the ultimate verdict on President Donald Trump will be rendered by voters in the 2020 election", which could be said in relation to the election had the Mueller report never existed. Przemysl15 ( talk) 09:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Ahead of the 2020 election, both [parties] are trying to reach the slice of Americans who have not hardened to partisan positions. A June poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found 31% of Americans said they didn’t know enough to say whether Mueller’s report had completely cleared Trump of coordination with Russia and 30% didn’t know whether it had not completely cleared Trump of obstruction. A CNN poll found that just 3% said they had read the whole report. Perhaps Mueller’s testimony, with his button-down lawyer’s approach, reached some of them.Humanengr ( talk) 09:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Devonian Wombat and Przemysl15: I have provided more than sufficient evidence to counter your objections, which seem to approach WP:IDL. Humanengr ( talk) 11:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Also note this re timing. Humanengr ( talk) 12:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
With that, I propose
One day prior to the November 3, 2020 election, the Special Counsel's office released previously redacted portions of the Mueller report per the federal judge’s order in the lawsuit mentioned above filed by BuzzFeed News and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, while allowing other portions to remain redacted. [1] [2]
Humanengr ( talk) 13:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
At this point, this amounts to WP:Stonewalling. Humanengr ( talk) 13:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
References
The opening sentence runs the following:
The 2020 United States presidential election was the 59th quadrennial presidential election held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.
There is a missing comma between “presidential election” and “held on.” Formatted the way it is currently, it reads as if there were 59 presidential elections held on November 3rd 2020. Adding a comma here would bring the article in line with the other presidential election articles. Rappatic ( talk) 13:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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Under "Results by state," change the color of Alaska's row in the table to red. AP has called the state for Trump. Mlb96 ( talk) 18:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Same section, Wyoming results currently in wrong columns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntanvir ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
(but actually I see was fixed by time I wrote comment!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntanvir ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the 2020_United_States_presidential_election#False_claims_of_fraud section, I suggest changing
"Appearing at a press conference outside a Philadelphia landscaping business as Biden was being declared the winner..."
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"Appearing at a press conference outside a Philadelphia landscaping business as Biden was being declared the winner..."
I created the article on the press conference, but since I have less than 500 edits, I can't add it here due to the protection. User101010 ( talk) 21:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
This would be presumably eventually morph / blend into 'Post-election events and controversies' as for 2016. I don't have any particular suggestions other than to start us thinking about structure as the pieces roll in. Humanengr ( talk) 05:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)