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User:203.13.166.18 your proposal of Delhi Riots is not acceptable since 1. This is only happening in NE delhi, 2. there are many many riots over the years in Delhi. We will need to add year in that case. Currently, the media and news are using NE Delhi riots/ NE Delhi clashes/ NE Delhi violence. so we can drop the year. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray The background need corrections. It was not about Shaheen Bagh, but new protests started 2 days ago, sit-in protest at Jaffrabad Metro Station/Chandbagh/Maujpur. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 So need immediate correction or else its sending a wrong message. Second, cops helping the pro-CAA rioters for stone pelting 6 and brought trucks of stones at the site for starting riots 7 Dey subrata ( talk) 14:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Check this 8. Dey subrata ( talk) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Dey subrata ( talk) 01:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
User:Coffeeandcrumbs, In the Indian legal system, Complaint is the first step. As you can see in the inline citation, it notes that 2 complaints were filed. It means that Police has been informed about the incident and a formal police case has been asked to be initiated. Police will then initiate the police case by filing an FIR (report), do the investigation, then file chargesheet and the case will goto court. Hope this helps. I have already clarified this and removed the clarify tag, let me know if you still have questions. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 19:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Reported here. Acid has been thrown at the paramilitary forces from the top of the houses in Karawal Nagar in Delhi. — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 04:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Added mentioned per discussion
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Is missing from this article. If I am not wrong violence started from the night of 23, Please help to provide sources for the events that took place that day. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 07:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Too much controversial and hot topic and thus, not want to edit much. But will suggest to add statements of Sonia Gandhi and Prakash Javadekar in today’s press conference. — Harshil want to talk? 11:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Added Gandhi's reaction added and Javadekar's remark was not on riot but on Gandhi's remark hence not relevant to add.
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Scroll.in is naming another victim, Akbari Salmani, an 85-year old grandmother. Not sure if this meets WP:RS. [21]. Yamada Taro ( talk) 14:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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2409:4042:2087:1AFA:0:0:1756:48A4 ( talk) 05:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Kapil Mishra has not been proved Guilty, so Don't make him a Scapegoat for your Anti Hindu Hatred.
Addition of information regarding anti caa protestors starting the violence AaRonBran ( talk) 08:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Rioters killed Rahul Solanki in cold blood after muslim mobs attacked hindu houses. Muslim mob killed Vinod a resident of Brahmapuri street number 01 in cold blood by lynching him in front of his son. https://www.jagran.com/delhi/new-delhi-city-ncr-delhi-violence-know-about-rahul-solanki-who-killed-in-caa-protest-20064151.html
Mohd Shahrukh was arrested for firing 8 rounds on police personnel after his gun wielding video clip and pics went viral. 2409:4053:228B:3EA4:26E8:916:629B:A243 ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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i couldn't find anything regarding the perpetrators of the attack on Rahul Solanki
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461
https://www.bbc.com/hindi/india-51625723
https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-anti-caa-violence-muslim-mob-jaffrabad-maujpur-chandbagh-police-murder-stone-pelting/
the only source for the second claim is a right wing newspaper — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@DBigXray i simply wanted to expand on the discussion so that someone else could explore it in detail — Preceding
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Many Muslim leaders like owasi have made statements like "1 crore will be ruling 15 crore " This is not a mob reaction but a pre planned event by politicians . As an eye witness they have stored guns swords stones for this purpose. When police fires tear gass balls people cover them with buckets of cold water . From mosques one could observe their respectables asking people to go and fight for God . 103.211.16.206 ( talk) 06:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
https://scroll.in/video/953832/watch-15-crore-can-outweigh-100-crore-said-aimim-leader-waris-pathan-in-controversial-caa-speech You have accepted edits with reference to this website in this article, so this hould be reliable in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.40.239.178 ( talk) 18:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Kapil Mishra is not proven guilty . He is saying that no one should be allowed to make riots so please remove his photograph . It is not his statement because he is leader of people who want caa and riots are done by Anti caa protesters. His photograph makes an impact as if he is the one behind riots. 103.211.16.206 ( talk) 06:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Many intelligence reports and arrests by police shows that these Anti-CAA protests were supported by radical Islamic outfits like PFI. A lot of provocative speech and fake news by muslim leaders, actors and artists lead to rise in violence across protest sites in India. In Chennai, Tamil Nadu, Islamic outfits threaten to close down the state functioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sshivamsngh ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Not done :NPOV and irrational arguments
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Violence has been a duet here. People from both communities caused harm and suffered. But this particular article is discriminative and needs to be removed immediately for false spread of information. Ishan241200 ( talk) 08:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
false informationyou are talking about ? Third,
is discriminative, explain how? Fouth, what else do you want to add other than things that are already been discussed in the talk page and found out to be POV? Also provide citation for anything you say and want to add. Dey subrata ( talk) 18:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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On contrary on what is written this is not a communal riot as Muslims are not the only people affected. Even hindus have been attacked, killed and affected. Furthermore inspite of provocative statement from kapil mishra, it was the Anti- CAA protestors who started the violence by pelting stones on the people who were supporting the act. AaRonBran ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Warish pathan (AIMIM Leader) andAmanat ullah khan (AAP leader) and AAP leaders are main culprits of this riot based on CAA. 47.8.27.148 ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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All the matter posted on this page is a fake & Imaginert story just to blame the BJP Government for the riots started by Muslim Mob. We Peoples of India are fedUp of these lies and Imaginative stories. Please Stop It. 103.41.27.210 ( talk) 11:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Page does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zert30 ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why you are not allowing edit by the ordinary citizen? It does lot of damage to the reputation of the wikipedia community. It is full of biases and smell of your ideological posturing. 2409:4053:2116:1B6C:E54D:E227:DE04:BB0A ( talk)
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There is a concern that wikipedia moderator is biased. This need to be in wiki page as well (Redacted) Shyamite ( talk) 13:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
User:BIKASH NANDA GOSWAMI, What is the basis for ordering in the list ? It seems random. can you please arrange in chronological order. oldest death on top. thanks. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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A 33-year old Muslim man identified as Shahrukh after he confronted an unarmed Delhi Police officer, and shot indiscriminately at people on the other side of the road. Seven people, including a Head Constable of the police died due to the anti-CAA riots. Initially, this man was falsely claimed to be part of the pro-CAA groups. He fired around eight rounds. Due to anti-CAA mobs holding orange plastic crates, and behind him many were seen to wear skull caps. [1] Datta ( talk) 16:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461 192.40.239.178 ( talk) 17:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Author totally ignore the role of Tahir Hussain(AAP councilor). His home was used to throw stone. chemicals, petrol bombs. Numerous media channels showed that the rooftop of his house was full of stones, petrol bombs and other dangerous chemicals. His goons killed IB officer Ankit Sharma and dumped his body in a drain. There are so many videos which showed that the councilor himself running with stick with other Muslim mobs on the rooftop. Authors intentionally ignoring the facts to present an anti-Hindu image which is totally untrue and unacceptable according to Wikipedia standard. Whatever mentioned in page is half true and totally one-sided in nature. Authors are trying to present a total Anti-Hindu typed of theory by mentioning jai Sree Ram and har har mahadev Slogan. They didn't mention other side of rioted mentioned allah hu akbar slogan and burnt shops houses.
Requesting authors to consider both side and present a true facts otherwise we are going to sue them for spreading false ONE SIDED STORY.
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https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/tahir-hussain-aap-corporator-ankit-sharma-murder-video-viral/
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/delhi-violence-aap-councillor-tahir-hussain-blamed-for-ib-personnels-death-808498.html
https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/article/delhi-riots-petrol-bombs-found-on-aap-corporators-rooftop-tahir-hussain-claims-rioters-took-over-his-home/558320
https://www.news18.com/videos/ivideos/ib-officer-ankit-sharmas-family-accuses-aap-corporator-tahir-hussain-for-murdering-him-2517421.html — Preceding
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It is alleged AAP councillor Tahir Hussain used his house as base to attack Hindus. Ankit Sharma, a IB officer was dragged to his house and brutally killed. His Body is found near councillor's house. (unsigned comment from 71.135.7.84) 13:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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MUSLIMS DID THE RIOTS. THEY TORCHED HINDU FUEL PUMP. Out of all people dead, 80% are Hindus. Its radical muslim terrorism. 202.52.153.6 ( talk) 09:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray has said to me "Neutral (WP:NPOV) does not mean you cannot share your opinions on the talk page." The user DBigXray who is super moderating this page does not mind sharing personal opinions . Why are some opinions being shunned while those of a particular agenda are not 43.224.131.12 ( talk) 16:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Proofs for this article or news please ? 203.122.12.118 ( talk) 21:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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The names of incitors of violence as recognized by supreme court of India as of now are waris pathan,Amanatulla Khan,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi. And not the mentioned people except pravesh verma I urge you to make appropriate changes. 103.218.237.116 ( talk) 19:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Need to add a paragraph on this. [23] [24] [25] [26] — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 21:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
In section "Incidents on 24 February" the line Ratan Lal had received head injuries from a stone thrown at him in Gokulpuri.
was initial report. But per autopsy report, Constable Ratan Lal died of a bullet injury.
[27] —
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It is obvious why Media houses ..... had he not been Muslimis concerned, I prefer to not add my own opinion or analysis to the article I edit. — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 22:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Not done discussion resumed in the next section.
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One of the NDTV journalists attacked by mobs was Saurabh Shukla. Muhammad Taha Tariq Ahmed Kashmiri ( talk) 12:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Is this the area where "A mosque in Ashok Nagar was vandalized and a Hanuman flag was placed on one of the minarets of the mosque." took place? -- LaserLegs ( talk) 23:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Muxlims Breaking into Hindu Houses https://www.facebook.com/mintu.pandey.3133/videos/2343830182576509/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTE2MzY0MTU1NDoyNjkwMzYyMjgxMDEyNTM0/ Dangi 03:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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PLANNED MURDER OF IB OFFICIAL by AAP corporator Tahir Hassan.. Tahir Hassan and his jihadi Henchmen murderded Hindu IB official brutally after torturing him for hours..his body was dumped in a sewage drain nearby.. Mr Ankit Sharma ..the IB official had gone to pacify the crowd and was working hard for Hindu Muslim unity..but Tahir Hassan brutally murdered him 106.51.21.79 ( talk) 05:27, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors or even news reporters are no judges that you can affix blame or decide who the perpetrators were. All of the below need to be edited or removed: 1. "in which 27 people, mostly Muslim" : No news media has cited casualty figures by religion. One ToI article listed below has a 50:50 ratio. This is a factually incorrect statement. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/14-more-confirmed-deaths-take-toll-to-27-gunshot-wounds-killed-at-least-12/articleshow/74326586.cms
2. "when a BJP leader and former legislator Kapil Mishra issued a three day ultimatum to the Delhi Police[11] to clear the roads being occupied by the protestors failing which he stated that he would forcefully end the protests.[12] Following his comments, multiple clashes began occurring across North East Delhi from the next day" : There are now multiple news reports on pre planning to coincide with Donald trump's visit. There are allegations on AAP councillor Taher Hussain. On what basis has this blanket statement been made?
3. Lead Figures mentions names of 4 BJP leaders basis court discussion but has no details of actual perpetrators or of those against whom FIR have been lodged. This needs to be corrected.
I'll add more. Piyushtariyal ( talk) 05:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Following from a section above about the casualty list - since this riots supposedly also have a lot to do with religious orientation, the religious demographics of those killed should be mentioned in the article and further as part of the CAA casualty list over on the main article for this CAA protests - " Names of 19 People Killed in Delhi Riots Confirmed (The Wire)", Delhi violence | Death toll rises to 27 (The Hindu). DTM ( talk) 05:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Citing the demographics of the dead is important as the article is incorrectly portraying it as against one community. Organized elements of the violence also need to be brought out like Mr Taher of AAP. Piyushtariyal ( talk) 06:36, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Multiple mainstream media sources have published on this. See [29] for suspected role of Nasir and Irfan gang and [30] for many crates of petrol bombs and stones found on rooftop of Tahir Hussain's house. Please add them in the article. PurnekarDamodar ( talk) 06:44, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The article is about riots. Therefore, we need to provide details of what happened during the riots. We need to mention all shooting/killing/stone-pelting/vandalism incidents that occurred.
I read the thread above about the Jafarabad shooter. The concern raised by DBigXray was that this shooting incident was somehow not notable. However, the logic he provided was not good enough. I request DBigXray to provide better reasons in this thread. Pinging @ Sarvatra, S. M. Nazmus Shakib, and Dey subrata:.
At least, a one-line mention for each major violent incident is must.— Vaibhavafro 💬 06:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey. Do you know how to setup a bot for archiving an article's talk page? Need one for Talk:North East Delhi riots. Can you help, please? — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 06:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Cops have been killed by mobs. Why does this article not have references for the same? Spasiba5 ( talk) 10:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Please remove status from the inbox as the riots are no more ongoing. Date can be changed to 24th to 26th February - A14i12 ( talk) 11:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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In both the sections there is a mention of protests starting some time after Kapil Mishra's speech. Source 37, clearly states that the clashes were a result of pro-CAA protesters throwing stones at anti-CAA protesters.
Please edit "Within a few hours of Kapil Mishra's rally, violent clashes started between the supporters and the people against CAA." in Incitement and "Within hours of his speech clashes broke out between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh." under Timeline/23rd Feb
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Within a few hours of Kapil Mishra's rally, violent clashes started between the supporters and the people against CAA after a group of anti-CAA protesters reportedly hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple.
Within hours of his speech clashes broke out between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh after a group of anti-CAA protesters reportedly hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple.
respectively.
This pertinent fact which is backed by a source already used in the page shouldn't be hidden and must be mentioned in the article as it gives context to the following clashes.
A14i12 ( talk) 11:08, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The source clearly mentions that protestors hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering. In the context of the source the term protestors was used to describe anti-CAA agitators.
"February 22 (10:30 pm): Several protesters, including women, had gathered in large numbers and occupied a portion of the road near Jaffarabad Metro station since Saturday. A call was given by Bhim Army for a nationwide bandh. Protesters said they would go on a march from Chand Bagh to Raj Ghat.
February 23 (9 am): Senior officers ask protesters to vacate the area as it disrupted traffic in the area. No permission to march to Raj Ghat, Delhi Police tells protesters."
"February 23 (3:45- 4 pm): Protesters from Babarpur (shamshan wali gali) hurl stones at pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple" A14i12 ( talk) 11:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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How is it my personal analysis when the source clearly supports my statement? Please explain why this source is not being taken into consideration? According to the source(which has been cited elsewhere on the page) the chronology was as follows:
February 23 (3:45- 4 pm): Protesters from Babarpur (shamshan wali gali) hurl stones at pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple
February 23 (4-5 pm): Clashes breaks out in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh. Police resort to lathicharge and fire tear gas shells. Paramilitary forces roped in
This clearly supports my edit. If you feel otherwise, Add a line mentioning that the stone throwing incident preceded the clashes. You cannot just filter what should be on the page on the basis of your bias and opinions.
A14i12 ( talk) 11:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@DBigXray Please read the source, the context is clear as day light. This is the statement preceeding 23rd Feb events: "February 22 (10:30 pm): Several protesters, including women, had gathered in large numbers and occupied a portion of the road near Jaffarabad Metro station since Saturday. A call was given by Bhim Army for a nationwide bandh. Protesters said they would go on a march from Chand Bagh to Raj Ghat." Anyone with an iota of knowledge over the subject knows that these protesters were anti-caa because they were the one who occupied Jaffarabad Metro. [1] Please use logic to justify the edits and not your opinion and bias. A14i12 ( talk) 12:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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This is a perfectly reasonable change:
23 February On 23 February Kapil Mishra, along with his supporters, reached the protest site at Jaffarabad and delivered a provocative speech. Some time later, protesters reportedly hurled stones at the pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple [1]. Within hours of the speech, several reports of clashes between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh emerged.[22][35] Police used lathi-charge and tear gas to disperse the crowd and to take situation in control.
A14i12 ( talk) 13:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi DiplomatTesterMan, Thanks for working on the map. it is much needed. I have temporarily removed the map that you added there, I think the locations are factually wrong (excessive on the north and east), needs work, improve this your sandbox first. and Once ready share a link of the sandbox along with a reliable source that confirms the same. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 11:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Why not place the map right under infobox? —
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This article reeks of anti-Hindu propaganda hate mongering, quite evident from the tone. Deliberately applying controversial words like Hindu, ProHindu and quoting fake slogans with English translations allegedly used by prohindus. No anti-India, anti Hindu slogans mentioned, which were used extensively by the rioters. This article needs heavy editing. Chinmay nayak23 ( talk) 13:14, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Links: https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/tahir-hussain-aap-corporator-ankit-sharma-murder-video-viral/ https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/delhi-violence-aap-councillor-tahir-hussain-blamed-for-ib-personnels-death-808498.html https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/article/delhi-riots-petrol-bombs-found-on-aap-corporators-rooftop-tahir-hussain-claims-rioters-took-over-his-home/558320 https://www.news18.com/videos/ivideos/ib-officer-ankit-sharmas-family-accuses-aap-corporator-tahir-hussain-for-murdering-him-2517421.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spasiba5 ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I have been reverted here. What is wrong with it? A lot of users are complaining that this article is one sided. Some editors are policing this article to keep it from looking anti-national. Please comment!— Spasiba5 ( talk) 13:44, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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(Edit in Para 8.2 : Transfer of Justice Muralidhar)
Change Title to "Controversy by Congress on Transfer of Justice S. Muralidhar"
The transfer of the Delhi High Court judge S. Muralidhar who presided over the bench, hearing the plea to Punjab and Haryana High Court sparked a new controversy after the allegations made by the Congress Party[1] that he was transferred because on 26th February he condemned the Delhi Police for its failure in controlling the riots or filing cases against BJP leader for hate speech.
While pronouncing his judgement on a case on 26th February, Justice S. Muralidhar had said, ″That was my last judicial act as a judge of this court″.[2] Later on, it was also confirmed by the official sources that this was a routine transfer and was recommended by The Supreme Court Collegium in a meeting which was held on 12th February, 2020.[3] In addition to this the Law Minister, Ravi Shankar Prasad also stated that the transfer was taken place after taking the consent of the judge.[4]
However, this controversy raised by congress was already reported by several media groups that led to increase the distrust amongst the Anti-CAA protesters.
Reference of Sources:- 1. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/justice-muralidhar-transfer-congress-ravi-shankar-prasad-1650445-2020-02-27 2. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-high-court-judge-justice-s-muralidhars-last-judicial-act-at-delhi-high-court-2186496 3. https://main.sci.gov.in/pdf/Collegium/19022020_051309.pdf 4. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ravi-shankar-prasad-congress-justice-muralidhar-transfer-congress-rahul-gandhi-1650439-2020-02-27 Kanchhalhimanshu ( talk) 21:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Aam Admi Party (AAP) leader allowed his 4 storey residence to be used by muslim rioteers to hurl petrol bombs at hindu colonies. The Delhi Police has lodged an FIR on the basis of a complaint filed by the family of the IB staffer alleging that Tahir is responsible for his murder. . Autopsy report has revealed the IB staffer was stabbed multiple times before he died.
When India Today visited the building located in Khajuri Khas area of North East Delhi, which reportedly is AAP's Tahir area, sacks of stones and bricks, petrol bombs and acid were kept on the terrace.
However, many videos have surfaced in which the building can be seen being used by the rioters. When India Today spoke to the locals, they confirmed that Tahir has been seen in the building.
Tahir Hussain was then suspended by AAP.
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1)Available video clip of Tahir Hussain directing rioters and killing IB agent is completely ignored here
2) Rationale behind the violence exactly at the time of Trump visit to get attention of international media is not been talked upon
3) The timing is even more important because majority of police were deployed elsewhere due to Trump visit. The areas in question has very less police presence.
4) Immediate involvement of NT, Imran Khan etc. shows a well planned attack
But the author blatantly ignored all such facts and showed one side of the story. Thus this post is biased, politically motivated and part of a bigger conspiracy.. I demand this to be flagged immediately Factseeker Supreme ( talk) 03:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please mention the name of Tahir Hussain as a lead figure 2409:4041:E9A:ECDD:9840:40B1:C924:419F ( talk) 06:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Tahir hussain was active throughout the riots to incite mobs and provide weapons to rioters. His name must be included in lead figures . Sharjeel imam have also previously gave enough hate speeches to provoke anarchy in the area. Trustwiki0777 ( talk) 06:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Head Constable of Delhi Police, 42 year old, Ratan Lal was shot dead during the clashes. [1]
Intelligence Bureau Assistant, 26 year old Ankit Sharma was brutally stabbed over 400 times and body was disposed off into nearby drain. [2] Eye-witnesses say Sharama and 2-3 other people were forcefully dragged inside the house of AAP councilor Tahir Husain and murdered. [3]
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Date 28-02-2020 The chief accused of North-East Delhi Violence, Tahir Hussain, an AAP Councilor has been booked for violence. He is the chief accused of murdering IB officer Late Ankit Sharma. [ 67] AAP on Thursday suspended its Nehru Vihar councillor Tahir Hussain from the primary membership of the party. [ 68] Wikiminiprime ( talk) 07:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Some highly baised people are editing this article. This article is selective and so is misleading.
Mind you not suggesting that Hindu elements are not involved, but to show unfairness and unequality resulting in biasness in the article.
1. While Hindu slogans are prominantly mentioned nowhere are the Islamic slogans raised in riots
Please see "...On Tuesday, rioters from both the communities were seen moving around with swords, lathis, stones completely unchecked. The frenzied mobs chanting incendiary slogans — — Jai Shri Ram and Nara-e-tadbeer Allah hu Akbar — hurled stones, petrol bombs at each other..."
Titled as the first reported death "He recalled hearing chants of “Allah Hu Akbar” as the mob came closer. He fell unconscious after he was hit on the head with sticks. “I think papa was still breathing at the time. They hit him everywhere, on his face, his head,”"
3. While photo of Kapil Mishra and an quote of a victim's father blaming him is mentioned, nowhere is photo of the other alleged hate speech givers, and quotes blaming Tahir Hussain
Please see "...Ankit's father, Ravinder Sharma, ...accused supporters of an Aam Aadmi Party leader, Tahir Hussain, of attacking Ankit and killing him...
"Get Hold of him (AAP leader). He is responsible for the deaths and he is on the run. Police should get hold of him,"..." https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/family-of-intel-employee-ankit-sharma-killed-in-delhi-clashes-dont-worry-about-money-he-said-2186159
4. Lead figures mentions Kapil Mishra... on allegation of hate speech but fails to mention Tahir Hussain etc. who took part in the riots. A section on Tahir Hussain was added too late only when became impossible to hide due FIRs and AAP membership suspension.
5. Although it mentions Hindu victims, yet such names makes this article kind of oxymoron, you should remove them, then "your" article would be much more consistent, no hate speeches by muslims, no lslamic slogans, no attacks on journalists, no mention of Tahir Hussain till can be, no Hindu victims, no property loss to Hindus.
6. Shahrukh Khan the shooter, was defended here by saying he did not kill anyone just fired eight shots while standing right in front of a policeman. Very nice.
7. Attack on Masjids are mentioned and should be mentioned when reported by media. Yet to show selectiveness I remind some users here that they not only turned blind but agrued against including an attack on Hindu temple by anti-CAA protesters on The Citizenship Amendment Act protest page at its talkpage. Very nice
8. Someone wrote "Several journalists reporting on the riots stated that they had been threatened by pro-CAA mobs" and later names of Hindu groups are explicitly mentioned, wherease attacks by anti-CAA protesters is missing in the beginning as well as in details.
"Mere saat jo tha, woh chala gaya [The guy, who was with me, has died],” Mr. Napa said with a sense of loss. The reporter claimed that he was shot by anti-CAA protesters. "
"Urjita said she and Fatima — whom she was with — constantly exchanged names depending on the crowd."
Such unfair and baised editing amounts to a missuse of the Wikipedia for propaganda.
Very unfortunate that there are people who make such selective edits and then when it suits there argument they write somewhere "... Don't you feel your single line will be read by lakhs of people here, and narratives and perception will be created FROM it..."
Care about narratives and perceptions, quoting of WP policies and block threats only when the reality goes againts there biases and prejudices.
As an IP user I tried to reason with some of them at The Citizenship Amendment Act protest talkpage, but those with prejudices and biases, and bent on propaganda, are blind to reason and when they lose argument, they just withdraw as an IP user can't do much on protected pages.
Again mind you that not suggesting that Hindu elements not involved but to show unfairness and unequality resulting in biasness in the article
Tell the truth as it is, whole and complete truth. Treat all with equality and fairness, no matter what you believe and know, no matter how much you are prejudiced and baised against anyone. 2405:204:3323:9B54:74E0:D3F4:A8D0:A375 ( talk) 08:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
If 95 citations can be added about Kapil Mishra's 'prominent' role in incitement (and the others mentioned by Justice Muralidhar in the Delhi High Court) and five citations for other folks, then if the '95 percent' is given 'primacy' or 'prominence,' then it's not violative of 'neutral point of view.' It's merely the preponderance of evidence; or, just plain common sense. This is obvious but I felt this needed to said here. Sachi Mohanty 08:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC) Sachi bbsr ( talk)
The article seems to be biased and looks like an attempt to target a specific political party and the members associated with it and religion. Also, edits from volunteer contributors like S. M. Nazmus Shakib and DBigXray does not seems to be as per the Neutral point of view it may be due to they themself belongs to the radical Islamic community. It is really surprising to see that both the editors left an almost similar message on my talk with a warning to block/ban for the well-cited contents which were added by me in the article.
Senior non-biased Wikipedia admins editors are requested to look into the matter. — Sanskari Hangout 10:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Mohammad Tahir Hussain, the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) councillor from Nehru Vihar, was booked for murder and abduction Of IB officer Ankit Sharma. Hussain was involved in rioting and that the terrace of his four-storey building — his residence as well as a factory that is just 200m from the spot where the body was recovered — was used as a base by rioters to pelt stones and throw petrol bombs (Molotov cocktail). [1] [2] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why is it not been added to main article and kept only in talks ? Ravi1991ss ( talk) 10:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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At Brahmapuri event as the violent Muslim mob passionately shouts slogans of “Nara e Taqbeer, Allahu Akbar”. A bike parked nearby is also seen being torched by the anti-CAA rioters.
[1] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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The voilence was pre-planned. AAP councilor Tahir Hussain's house was the epicenter of the violence which has now been sealed by Delhi police. Large stones, petrol bombs, kersosene, acid bags have been recovered from the building. According to eye-witnesses 3-4 people including Intellegience Buerau Assistant Ankit Sharma were dragged and murdered inside Hussain's house. Ravi1991ss ( talk) 10:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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At Brahmapuri event as the violent Muslim mob passionately shouts slogans of “Nara e Taqbeer, Allahu Akbar”. A bike parked nearby is also seen being torched by the anti-CAA rioters.
Aam Aadmi Party councillor Tahir Hussain booked for kidnapping and murder Intelligence Bureau staffer Ankit Sharma. Previously a disrobed body of a girl found near Tahir Hussain house.
In Ghonda, Mob attacked Monu Kumar and his father Vinod Kumar with stones and swords. The mob was shouting "Allahu Akbar" and attacked Vinod Kumar and he died on spot.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why only Islamphobia has been included in caused by, when there is clear evidence of Hindus been killed via gunshots which cannot be a spontaneous act, shops of Hindus burned down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravi1991ss ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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This is extremely one -sided. No metion of Taahir Hussain. 180.151.133.124 ( talk) 09:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
WHY ONLY HINDU PEOPLE NAME IN "PEOPLE INVOLVED"
ONE - SIDED and BIASED ATRTICLE
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Seems like a key issue that has been floating around in the prime time news is being buried here. This article from the Hindustan Times claims that Tahir Hussain has been accused in the killing of Ankit Sharma (an officer of the Intelligence Bureau) and has absconded. It also mentions that bottles of Molotov Cocktails were found at their residence. Historycorrector99 ( talk) 09:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Ankit Sharma's neighbors also alleged (while Speaking to the media), that stones and petrol bombs had been thrown from the roof of the five-story building owned by Mr. Hussain (AAP leader and Municipal Councilor "Tahir Hussain"). As proof of these allegations, videos have been shared that show a man believed to be Mr. Hussain, on the roof along with some other men involved in stone-pelting and other criminal activities. Incident Video 122.168.89.209 ( talk) 14:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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The whole article is very Hindu-phobic and is not at all based on facts. It has been writen by apologists trying to change the reality and blame Hindus. Please see the news and have a look who actually were rioting and killing. Muslims went around terrorizing so many yet play the victim. such unverified articles tarnish wikipedia. 2601:86:100:7C70:5CB3:5B95:1177:2025 ( talk) 15:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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The names of incitors of violence as recognized by supreme court of India as of now are waris pathan,Amanatulla Khan,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi. And not the mentioned people except pravesh verma I urge you to make appropriate changes. 103.218.237.116 ( talk) 19:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Does Not included BJP state sponsored terrorism again the muslims as like in kashmir . and the writer seems to be an indian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.87.105 ( talk) 02:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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On Tuesday 25th February the mobs from both communities came face to face and hurled stones, petrol bombs at each other. The mobs from one community were chanting "Jai Shri Ram", while mobs from other community shouting "Nara-e-tadbeer Allah hu Akbar" [1] Flairvelocity ( talk) 12:30, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Dont write this Baised report ... Write on the fact ... Dont show Muslims are the victims .. its Hindus are the Victim the Roads are blocked for 3 months in the name of CAA , and Exam season people were harrssed and commutators are feeling a sense annoying .. Musim leaders and APP party agents frequently visiting Sahinbagh place and giving provocative speeches .. which instigated to a bigger picture.
User:DBigXray Please check here and here where Supreme court said about road block "We have already said in earlier hearings and cannot repeatedly say that the protesters do have the right to protest but they cannot block the roads". These two sources are according to WP:RS. it can be added in main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biman1989 ( talk • contribs) 07:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is clearly a false propaganda where facts are twisted to favor a particular minority it fails to mention the involvement of Tahir Hussain after various accusations by family of Ankit Sharma and clear video evidence. Even police stated on camera that no Masjid was vandalized.
Sarcastic Shukla ( talk) 07:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
What is the proof it's completely Islamophobic riots as there is no concrete proof what instigated violence Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
What is the proof that it's a Islamophobic riots as there is no concrete proof what instigated violence and who started first Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Main hate monger TAHIR HUSSAIN is on the run. Media linked to RAJDEEP SARDESAI are involved in fanning communal tensions 117.230.163.185 ( talk) 15:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This is a biased article where the actual ground reality is not covered. Many innocent majority group people are killed systematically with pre planning. Jackass77 ( talk) 04:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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This page is very one sided and does not contain correct information. Please refer this to an independent authority. 2601:646:8A00:1BE:35B8:5F11:84F2:51B4 ( talk) 06:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I know you are a hindu hater or any paid agent of opposition that's why you are showing half story TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is one side story . One my friends is working in Delhi hospital and he told that he had 50 dead bodies and all were Hindus. I am not deny muslims aren't affected bt hindus are more.its totally tahir Hussain an Aap party counselor who is responsible for planning and instigating delhi riots .its disgusting that through wikipedia false news is being published I totally disagree with this article . This article is disguising people. Full of lies and hatred. SESHEW ( talk) 09:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes mostly were hindus Vplpoonia ( talk) 09:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Many other political party members like sonia gandhi, rahul gandhi, priyanka gandhi, owasi brothers, manish sisodia, pathan waris, amatullah khan etc have thrown hate speech during this period . Many other anti-nationals like Swara bhaskar (actress), ravish kumar (NDTV), Rajdeep sardesai (Journalist) etc. These people are responsible for tha riots and a notice against them is given to delhi police by supreme court for action against them, but you are a paid dog that's why you target only hindu and bjp leaders. TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Why you have not mentioned this dog named tahir hussain in your article? TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:22, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Which party paid you for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIndianreality ( talk • contribs) 08:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is reality TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
They killed or burned alive Muslims who could not escape and the victims were largely unprotected by the police. At least 37 people, almost all Muslims, were killed and many others beaten half to death.%% ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 13:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I kept myself away from this article this time as I knew I might get wrong in many places. But just some minutes ago a well known twitter handle with more than 262K followers has tried to direct crowd towards this article. As we can see wikipedia runs on reliable sources and authentic logics only and I can see editors like Kautilya3 have done amazing job in maintainign this article.
But in a few days vandalism is expecting on this article. So a lockdown is requested. Talk page is open for discussion. Requesting DBigXray Kautilya3 to make a lockdown as vandalism is expected after such appeal. Edward Zigma ( talk) 10:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Waddie96, thanks for your copyediting. But I want to understand why you watered down a key passage to:
The BJP used incendiary slogans such as "shoot the traitors" [a] against the protesters as part of their campaign. BJP leader Kapil Mishra also made hate speeches which India Today attributes to be the cause of the BJP defeat. [1] [2]
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- ^ Jeffrey Gettleman, Suhasini Raj, Sameer Yasir, The Roots of the Delhi Riots: A Fiery Speech and an Ultimatum, The New York Times, 27 February 2020.
- ^ Hate speech cost BJP Delhi elections, people like Kapil Mishra should be removed: Manoj Tiwari, India Today, 23 February 2020.
Kapil Mishra is known to have coined the slogan (which was of course used by other BJP leaders as well). But he was held responsible by the state BJP chief, Manoj Tiwari, not by India Today. Tiwari also called for his removal from the party. Some commentators have said that Mishra turned to more extermism in order to resurrect his falling star within the BJP. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Delhi HC notices to prominent members of the Congress party needs to be included in this wiki (as mentioned by the Times of India)
It's not easy to comprehend that which community suffered worse than another. Souniel Yadav ( talk) 17:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Forgive my ignorance, but the article has a mix of -ise and -ize spellings (both vandalise and and vandalize, for example). My assumption is that Indian English uses -ise spelling, but I know there are variants of Commonwealth English that don't. Which should it be? Guettarda ( talk) 13:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Guettarda, QEDK lets focus on the job at hand. I believe on this article the only concern is vandalize vs vandalise. Am I right ? I propose we use vandalize. Does anyone object to this ? what are the other words in this article that need to be discussed ? ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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change "Mobs carrying saffron flags and chanting Jai Shri Ram vandalized and torched mosques and properties of Muslims" to "Muslim and Hindu Mobs attacked each others shops and places of worship" Sunjiiv12 ( talk) 14:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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I strongly oppose to the contents in the article. Why only hindus are held responsible for the riots. Kindly take a note of the facts otherwise I will be bound to file a case against the website ans author of the article. Aldarun23 ( talk) 14:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, the talk page is growing at 400 KB per day. within 3 days it will reach 1.2 MB. Which is why I proposed 24 hrs, archive. A thread that does not get response in 24 hrs will be archived. if anyone wants to continue they can pull it back from archive. This seems as the only way to keep this talk page functional. ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry, I cannot find Ishrat Jahan’s name anywhere in the article when she has been arrested for rioting and attempted murder and her bail has been denied. Gayatri 17:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Delhi riot led by Radical Islam supporters who don't want to provide citizenship to deprived minorities in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Afganistan and Bangladesh... Ashish solar ( talk) 11:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Only updated in the table not in the text. Either remove the mention of victims from the text to avoid this mixup or update it. It's still showing 42 dead and 70 injured. Shubham2019 ( talk) 17:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Tahir Hussain SESHEW ( talk) 09:07, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
The lead figure names are completely made up. You cannot mention names without the court of law’s final decision. Kkartiki18 ( talk) 09:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Till date lead figure has not been removed and other side has not been added even court gave notice to police for Amanullah khan waris pathan And why sharjeel imam is not added as he also gave inflammatory speech Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Omar Khalid gave a speech about protesting and organising crowd when trump will visit India. The video is viral ,why is he being left out and what about waaris khan speech iy was communal too Devashish sharma101 ( talk) 13:33, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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User:203.13.166.18 your proposal of Delhi Riots is not acceptable since 1. This is only happening in NE delhi, 2. there are many many riots over the years in Delhi. We will need to add year in that case. Currently, the media and news are using NE Delhi riots/ NE Delhi clashes/ NE Delhi violence. so we can drop the year. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray The background need corrections. It was not about Shaheen Bagh, but new protests started 2 days ago, sit-in protest at Jaffrabad Metro Station/Chandbagh/Maujpur. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 So need immediate correction or else its sending a wrong message. Second, cops helping the pro-CAA rioters for stone pelting 6 and brought trucks of stones at the site for starting riots 7 Dey subrata ( talk) 14:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Check this 8. Dey subrata ( talk) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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User:Coffeeandcrumbs, In the Indian legal system, Complaint is the first step. As you can see in the inline citation, it notes that 2 complaints were filed. It means that Police has been informed about the incident and a formal police case has been asked to be initiated. Police will then initiate the police case by filing an FIR (report), do the investigation, then file chargesheet and the case will goto court. Hope this helps. I have already clarified this and removed the clarify tag, let me know if you still have questions. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 19:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Reported here. Acid has been thrown at the paramilitary forces from the top of the houses in Karawal Nagar in Delhi. — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 04:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Added mentioned per discussion
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Is missing from this article. If I am not wrong violence started from the night of 23, Please help to provide sources for the events that took place that day. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 07:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Too much controversial and hot topic and thus, not want to edit much. But will suggest to add statements of Sonia Gandhi and Prakash Javadekar in today’s press conference. — Harshil want to talk? 11:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Added Gandhi's reaction added and Javadekar's remark was not on riot but on Gandhi's remark hence not relevant to add.
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Scroll.in is naming another victim, Akbari Salmani, an 85-year old grandmother. Not sure if this meets WP:RS. [21]. Yamada Taro ( talk) 14:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Kapil Mishra has not been proved Guilty, so Don't make him a Scapegoat for your Anti Hindu Hatred.
Addition of information regarding anti caa protestors starting the violence AaRonBran ( talk) 08:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Rioters killed Rahul Solanki in cold blood after muslim mobs attacked hindu houses. Muslim mob killed Vinod a resident of Brahmapuri street number 01 in cold blood by lynching him in front of his son. https://www.jagran.com/delhi/new-delhi-city-ncr-delhi-violence-know-about-rahul-solanki-who-killed-in-caa-protest-20064151.html
Mohd Shahrukh was arrested for firing 8 rounds on police personnel after his gun wielding video clip and pics went viral. 2409:4053:228B:3EA4:26E8:916:629B:A243 ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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i couldn't find anything regarding the perpetrators of the attack on Rahul Solanki
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461
https://www.bbc.com/hindi/india-51625723
https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-anti-caa-violence-muslim-mob-jaffrabad-maujpur-chandbagh-police-murder-stone-pelting/
the only source for the second claim is a right wing newspaper — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@DBigXray i simply wanted to expand on the discussion so that someone else could explore it in detail — Preceding
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Many Muslim leaders like owasi have made statements like "1 crore will be ruling 15 crore " This is not a mob reaction but a pre planned event by politicians . As an eye witness they have stored guns swords stones for this purpose. When police fires tear gass balls people cover them with buckets of cold water . From mosques one could observe their respectables asking people to go and fight for God . 103.211.16.206 ( talk) 06:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
https://scroll.in/video/953832/watch-15-crore-can-outweigh-100-crore-said-aimim-leader-waris-pathan-in-controversial-caa-speech You have accepted edits with reference to this website in this article, so this hould be reliable in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.40.239.178 ( talk) 18:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Kapil Mishra is not proven guilty . He is saying that no one should be allowed to make riots so please remove his photograph . It is not his statement because he is leader of people who want caa and riots are done by Anti caa protesters. His photograph makes an impact as if he is the one behind riots. 103.211.16.206 ( talk) 06:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Many intelligence reports and arrests by police shows that these Anti-CAA protests were supported by radical Islamic outfits like PFI. A lot of provocative speech and fake news by muslim leaders, actors and artists lead to rise in violence across protest sites in India. In Chennai, Tamil Nadu, Islamic outfits threaten to close down the state functioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sshivamsngh ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Not done :NPOV and irrational arguments
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Violence has been a duet here. People from both communities caused harm and suffered. But this particular article is discriminative and needs to be removed immediately for false spread of information. Ishan241200 ( talk) 08:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
false informationyou are talking about ? Third,
is discriminative, explain how? Fouth, what else do you want to add other than things that are already been discussed in the talk page and found out to be POV? Also provide citation for anything you say and want to add. Dey subrata ( talk) 18:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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On contrary on what is written this is not a communal riot as Muslims are not the only people affected. Even hindus have been attacked, killed and affected. Furthermore inspite of provocative statement from kapil mishra, it was the Anti- CAA protestors who started the violence by pelting stones on the people who were supporting the act. AaRonBran ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Warish pathan (AIMIM Leader) andAmanat ullah khan (AAP leader) and AAP leaders are main culprits of this riot based on CAA. 47.8.27.148 ( talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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All the matter posted on this page is a fake & Imaginert story just to blame the BJP Government for the riots started by Muslim Mob. We Peoples of India are fedUp of these lies and Imaginative stories. Please Stop It. 103.41.27.210 ( talk) 11:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Page does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zert30 ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why you are not allowing edit by the ordinary citizen? It does lot of damage to the reputation of the wikipedia community. It is full of biases and smell of your ideological posturing. 2409:4053:2116:1B6C:E54D:E227:DE04:BB0A ( talk)
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There is a concern that wikipedia moderator is biased. This need to be in wiki page as well (Redacted) Shyamite ( talk) 13:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
User:BIKASH NANDA GOSWAMI, What is the basis for ordering in the list ? It seems random. can you please arrange in chronological order. oldest death on top. thanks. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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A 33-year old Muslim man identified as Shahrukh after he confronted an unarmed Delhi Police officer, and shot indiscriminately at people on the other side of the road. Seven people, including a Head Constable of the police died due to the anti-CAA riots. Initially, this man was falsely claimed to be part of the pro-CAA groups. He fired around eight rounds. Due to anti-CAA mobs holding orange plastic crates, and behind him many were seen to wear skull caps. [1] Datta ( talk) 16:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461 192.40.239.178 ( talk) 17:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Author totally ignore the role of Tahir Hussain(AAP councilor). His home was used to throw stone. chemicals, petrol bombs. Numerous media channels showed that the rooftop of his house was full of stones, petrol bombs and other dangerous chemicals. His goons killed IB officer Ankit Sharma and dumped his body in a drain. There are so many videos which showed that the councilor himself running with stick with other Muslim mobs on the rooftop. Authors intentionally ignoring the facts to present an anti-Hindu image which is totally untrue and unacceptable according to Wikipedia standard. Whatever mentioned in page is half true and totally one-sided in nature. Authors are trying to present a total Anti-Hindu typed of theory by mentioning jai Sree Ram and har har mahadev Slogan. They didn't mention other side of rioted mentioned allah hu akbar slogan and burnt shops houses.
Requesting authors to consider both side and present a true facts otherwise we are going to sue them for spreading false ONE SIDED STORY.
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https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/tahir-hussain-aap-corporator-ankit-sharma-murder-video-viral/
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/delhi-violence-aap-councillor-tahir-hussain-blamed-for-ib-personnels-death-808498.html
https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/article/delhi-riots-petrol-bombs-found-on-aap-corporators-rooftop-tahir-hussain-claims-rioters-took-over-his-home/558320
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It is alleged AAP councillor Tahir Hussain used his house as base to attack Hindus. Ankit Sharma, a IB officer was dragged to his house and brutally killed. His Body is found near councillor's house. (unsigned comment from 71.135.7.84) 13:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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MUSLIMS DID THE RIOTS. THEY TORCHED HINDU FUEL PUMP. Out of all people dead, 80% are Hindus. Its radical muslim terrorism. 202.52.153.6 ( talk) 09:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray has said to me "Neutral (WP:NPOV) does not mean you cannot share your opinions on the talk page." The user DBigXray who is super moderating this page does not mind sharing personal opinions . Why are some opinions being shunned while those of a particular agenda are not 43.224.131.12 ( talk) 16:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Proofs for this article or news please ? 203.122.12.118 ( talk) 21:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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The names of incitors of violence as recognized by supreme court of India as of now are waris pathan,Amanatulla Khan,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi. And not the mentioned people except pravesh verma I urge you to make appropriate changes. 103.218.237.116 ( talk) 19:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Need to add a paragraph on this. [23] [24] [25] [26] — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 21:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
In section "Incidents on 24 February" the line Ratan Lal had received head injuries from a stone thrown at him in Gokulpuri.
was initial report. But per autopsy report, Constable Ratan Lal died of a bullet injury.
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It is obvious why Media houses ..... had he not been Muslimis concerned, I prefer to not add my own opinion or analysis to the article I edit. — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 22:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Not done discussion resumed in the next section.
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One of the NDTV journalists attacked by mobs was Saurabh Shukla. Muhammad Taha Tariq Ahmed Kashmiri ( talk) 12:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Is this the area where "A mosque in Ashok Nagar was vandalized and a Hanuman flag was placed on one of the minarets of the mosque." took place? -- LaserLegs ( talk) 23:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Muxlims Breaking into Hindu Houses https://www.facebook.com/mintu.pandey.3133/videos/2343830182576509/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTE2MzY0MTU1NDoyNjkwMzYyMjgxMDEyNTM0/ Dangi 03:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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PLANNED MURDER OF IB OFFICIAL by AAP corporator Tahir Hassan.. Tahir Hassan and his jihadi Henchmen murderded Hindu IB official brutally after torturing him for hours..his body was dumped in a sewage drain nearby.. Mr Ankit Sharma ..the IB official had gone to pacify the crowd and was working hard for Hindu Muslim unity..but Tahir Hassan brutally murdered him 106.51.21.79 ( talk) 05:27, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors or even news reporters are no judges that you can affix blame or decide who the perpetrators were. All of the below need to be edited or removed: 1. "in which 27 people, mostly Muslim" : No news media has cited casualty figures by religion. One ToI article listed below has a 50:50 ratio. This is a factually incorrect statement. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/14-more-confirmed-deaths-take-toll-to-27-gunshot-wounds-killed-at-least-12/articleshow/74326586.cms
2. "when a BJP leader and former legislator Kapil Mishra issued a three day ultimatum to the Delhi Police[11] to clear the roads being occupied by the protestors failing which he stated that he would forcefully end the protests.[12] Following his comments, multiple clashes began occurring across North East Delhi from the next day" : There are now multiple news reports on pre planning to coincide with Donald trump's visit. There are allegations on AAP councillor Taher Hussain. On what basis has this blanket statement been made?
3. Lead Figures mentions names of 4 BJP leaders basis court discussion but has no details of actual perpetrators or of those against whom FIR have been lodged. This needs to be corrected.
I'll add more. Piyushtariyal ( talk) 05:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Following from a section above about the casualty list - since this riots supposedly also have a lot to do with religious orientation, the religious demographics of those killed should be mentioned in the article and further as part of the CAA casualty list over on the main article for this CAA protests - " Names of 19 People Killed in Delhi Riots Confirmed (The Wire)", Delhi violence | Death toll rises to 27 (The Hindu). DTM ( talk) 05:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Citing the demographics of the dead is important as the article is incorrectly portraying it as against one community. Organized elements of the violence also need to be brought out like Mr Taher of AAP. Piyushtariyal ( talk) 06:36, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Multiple mainstream media sources have published on this. See [29] for suspected role of Nasir and Irfan gang and [30] for many crates of petrol bombs and stones found on rooftop of Tahir Hussain's house. Please add them in the article. PurnekarDamodar ( talk) 06:44, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The article is about riots. Therefore, we need to provide details of what happened during the riots. We need to mention all shooting/killing/stone-pelting/vandalism incidents that occurred.
I read the thread above about the Jafarabad shooter. The concern raised by DBigXray was that this shooting incident was somehow not notable. However, the logic he provided was not good enough. I request DBigXray to provide better reasons in this thread. Pinging @ Sarvatra, S. M. Nazmus Shakib, and Dey subrata:.
At least, a one-line mention for each major violent incident is must.— Vaibhavafro 💬 06:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey. Do you know how to setup a bot for archiving an article's talk page? Need one for Talk:North East Delhi riots. Can you help, please? — Sarvatra ( talk, contribs) 06:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Cops have been killed by mobs. Why does this article not have references for the same? Spasiba5 ( talk) 10:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Please remove status from the inbox as the riots are no more ongoing. Date can be changed to 24th to 26th February - A14i12 ( talk) 11:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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In both the sections there is a mention of protests starting some time after Kapil Mishra's speech. Source 37, clearly states that the clashes were a result of pro-CAA protesters throwing stones at anti-CAA protesters.
Please edit "Within a few hours of Kapil Mishra's rally, violent clashes started between the supporters and the people against CAA." in Incitement and "Within hours of his speech clashes broke out between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh." under Timeline/23rd Feb
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Within a few hours of Kapil Mishra's rally, violent clashes started between the supporters and the people against CAA after a group of anti-CAA protesters reportedly hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple.
Within hours of his speech clashes broke out between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh after a group of anti-CAA protesters reportedly hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple.
respectively.
This pertinent fact which is backed by a source already used in the page shouldn't be hidden and must be mentioned in the article as it gives context to the following clashes.
A14i12 ( talk) 11:08, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The source clearly mentions that protestors hurled stones at a pro-CAA gathering. In the context of the source the term protestors was used to describe anti-CAA agitators.
"February 22 (10:30 pm): Several protesters, including women, had gathered in large numbers and occupied a portion of the road near Jaffarabad Metro station since Saturday. A call was given by Bhim Army for a nationwide bandh. Protesters said they would go on a march from Chand Bagh to Raj Ghat.
February 23 (9 am): Senior officers ask protesters to vacate the area as it disrupted traffic in the area. No permission to march to Raj Ghat, Delhi Police tells protesters."
"February 23 (3:45- 4 pm): Protesters from Babarpur (shamshan wali gali) hurl stones at pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple" A14i12 ( talk) 11:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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How is it my personal analysis when the source clearly supports my statement? Please explain why this source is not being taken into consideration? According to the source(which has been cited elsewhere on the page) the chronology was as follows:
February 23 (3:45- 4 pm): Protesters from Babarpur (shamshan wali gali) hurl stones at pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple
February 23 (4-5 pm): Clashes breaks out in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh. Police resort to lathicharge and fire tear gas shells. Paramilitary forces roped in
This clearly supports my edit. If you feel otherwise, Add a line mentioning that the stone throwing incident preceded the clashes. You cannot just filter what should be on the page on the basis of your bias and opinions.
A14i12 ( talk) 11:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@DBigXray Please read the source, the context is clear as day light. This is the statement preceeding 23rd Feb events: "February 22 (10:30 pm): Several protesters, including women, had gathered in large numbers and occupied a portion of the road near Jaffarabad Metro station since Saturday. A call was given by Bhim Army for a nationwide bandh. Protesters said they would go on a march from Chand Bagh to Raj Ghat." Anyone with an iota of knowledge over the subject knows that these protesters were anti-caa because they were the one who occupied Jaffarabad Metro. [1] Please use logic to justify the edits and not your opinion and bias. A14i12 ( talk) 12:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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This is a perfectly reasonable change:
23 February On 23 February Kapil Mishra, along with his supporters, reached the protest site at Jaffarabad and delivered a provocative speech. Some time later, protesters reportedly hurled stones at the pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple [1]. Within hours of the speech, several reports of clashes between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Maujpur, Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur and Chand Bagh emerged.[22][35] Police used lathi-charge and tear gas to disperse the crowd and to take situation in control.
A14i12 ( talk) 13:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi DiplomatTesterMan, Thanks for working on the map. it is much needed. I have temporarily removed the map that you added there, I think the locations are factually wrong (excessive on the north and east), needs work, improve this your sandbox first. and Once ready share a link of the sandbox along with a reliable source that confirms the same. -- ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 11:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Why not place the map right under infobox? —
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This article reeks of anti-Hindu propaganda hate mongering, quite evident from the tone. Deliberately applying controversial words like Hindu, ProHindu and quoting fake slogans with English translations allegedly used by prohindus. No anti-India, anti Hindu slogans mentioned, which were used extensively by the rioters. This article needs heavy editing. Chinmay nayak23 ( talk) 13:14, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Links: https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/tahir-hussain-aap-corporator-ankit-sharma-murder-video-viral/ https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/delhi-violence-aap-councillor-tahir-hussain-blamed-for-ib-personnels-death-808498.html https://www.timesnownews.com/delhi/article/delhi-riots-petrol-bombs-found-on-aap-corporators-rooftop-tahir-hussain-claims-rioters-took-over-his-home/558320 https://www.news18.com/videos/ivideos/ib-officer-ankit-sharmas-family-accuses-aap-corporator-tahir-hussain-for-murdering-him-2517421.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spasiba5 ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I have been reverted here. What is wrong with it? A lot of users are complaining that this article is one sided. Some editors are policing this article to keep it from looking anti-national. Please comment!— Spasiba5 ( talk) 13:44, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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(Edit in Para 8.2 : Transfer of Justice Muralidhar)
Change Title to "Controversy by Congress on Transfer of Justice S. Muralidhar"
The transfer of the Delhi High Court judge S. Muralidhar who presided over the bench, hearing the plea to Punjab and Haryana High Court sparked a new controversy after the allegations made by the Congress Party[1] that he was transferred because on 26th February he condemned the Delhi Police for its failure in controlling the riots or filing cases against BJP leader for hate speech.
While pronouncing his judgement on a case on 26th February, Justice S. Muralidhar had said, ″That was my last judicial act as a judge of this court″.[2] Later on, it was also confirmed by the official sources that this was a routine transfer and was recommended by The Supreme Court Collegium in a meeting which was held on 12th February, 2020.[3] In addition to this the Law Minister, Ravi Shankar Prasad also stated that the transfer was taken place after taking the consent of the judge.[4]
However, this controversy raised by congress was already reported by several media groups that led to increase the distrust amongst the Anti-CAA protesters.
Reference of Sources:- 1. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/justice-muralidhar-transfer-congress-ravi-shankar-prasad-1650445-2020-02-27 2. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/delhi-high-court-judge-justice-s-muralidhars-last-judicial-act-at-delhi-high-court-2186496 3. https://main.sci.gov.in/pdf/Collegium/19022020_051309.pdf 4. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ravi-shankar-prasad-congress-justice-muralidhar-transfer-congress-rahul-gandhi-1650439-2020-02-27 Kanchhalhimanshu ( talk) 21:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Aam Admi Party (AAP) leader allowed his 4 storey residence to be used by muslim rioteers to hurl petrol bombs at hindu colonies. The Delhi Police has lodged an FIR on the basis of a complaint filed by the family of the IB staffer alleging that Tahir is responsible for his murder. . Autopsy report has revealed the IB staffer was stabbed multiple times before he died.
When India Today visited the building located in Khajuri Khas area of North East Delhi, which reportedly is AAP's Tahir area, sacks of stones and bricks, petrol bombs and acid were kept on the terrace.
However, many videos have surfaced in which the building can be seen being used by the rioters. When India Today spoke to the locals, they confirmed that Tahir has been seen in the building.
Tahir Hussain was then suspended by AAP.
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1)Available video clip of Tahir Hussain directing rioters and killing IB agent is completely ignored here
2) Rationale behind the violence exactly at the time of Trump visit to get attention of international media is not been talked upon
3) The timing is even more important because majority of police were deployed elsewhere due to Trump visit. The areas in question has very less police presence.
4) Immediate involvement of NT, Imran Khan etc. shows a well planned attack
But the author blatantly ignored all such facts and showed one side of the story. Thus this post is biased, politically motivated and part of a bigger conspiracy.. I demand this to be flagged immediately Factseeker Supreme ( talk) 03:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please mention the name of Tahir Hussain as a lead figure 2409:4041:E9A:ECDD:9840:40B1:C924:419F ( talk) 06:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Tahir hussain was active throughout the riots to incite mobs and provide weapons to rioters. His name must be included in lead figures . Sharjeel imam have also previously gave enough hate speeches to provoke anarchy in the area. Trustwiki0777 ( talk) 06:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Head Constable of Delhi Police, 42 year old, Ratan Lal was shot dead during the clashes. [1]
Intelligence Bureau Assistant, 26 year old Ankit Sharma was brutally stabbed over 400 times and body was disposed off into nearby drain. [2] Eye-witnesses say Sharama and 2-3 other people were forcefully dragged inside the house of AAP councilor Tahir Husain and murdered. [3]
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Date 28-02-2020 The chief accused of North-East Delhi Violence, Tahir Hussain, an AAP Councilor has been booked for violence. He is the chief accused of murdering IB officer Late Ankit Sharma. [ 67] AAP on Thursday suspended its Nehru Vihar councillor Tahir Hussain from the primary membership of the party. [ 68] Wikiminiprime ( talk) 07:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Some highly baised people are editing this article. This article is selective and so is misleading.
Mind you not suggesting that Hindu elements are not involved, but to show unfairness and unequality resulting in biasness in the article.
1. While Hindu slogans are prominantly mentioned nowhere are the Islamic slogans raised in riots
Please see "...On Tuesday, rioters from both the communities were seen moving around with swords, lathis, stones completely unchecked. The frenzied mobs chanting incendiary slogans — — Jai Shri Ram and Nara-e-tadbeer Allah hu Akbar — hurled stones, petrol bombs at each other..."
Titled as the first reported death "He recalled hearing chants of “Allah Hu Akbar” as the mob came closer. He fell unconscious after he was hit on the head with sticks. “I think papa was still breathing at the time. They hit him everywhere, on his face, his head,”"
3. While photo of Kapil Mishra and an quote of a victim's father blaming him is mentioned, nowhere is photo of the other alleged hate speech givers, and quotes blaming Tahir Hussain
Please see "...Ankit's father, Ravinder Sharma, ...accused supporters of an Aam Aadmi Party leader, Tahir Hussain, of attacking Ankit and killing him...
"Get Hold of him (AAP leader). He is responsible for the deaths and he is on the run. Police should get hold of him,"..." https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/family-of-intel-employee-ankit-sharma-killed-in-delhi-clashes-dont-worry-about-money-he-said-2186159
4. Lead figures mentions Kapil Mishra... on allegation of hate speech but fails to mention Tahir Hussain etc. who took part in the riots. A section on Tahir Hussain was added too late only when became impossible to hide due FIRs and AAP membership suspension.
5. Although it mentions Hindu victims, yet such names makes this article kind of oxymoron, you should remove them, then "your" article would be much more consistent, no hate speeches by muslims, no lslamic slogans, no attacks on journalists, no mention of Tahir Hussain till can be, no Hindu victims, no property loss to Hindus.
6. Shahrukh Khan the shooter, was defended here by saying he did not kill anyone just fired eight shots while standing right in front of a policeman. Very nice.
7. Attack on Masjids are mentioned and should be mentioned when reported by media. Yet to show selectiveness I remind some users here that they not only turned blind but agrued against including an attack on Hindu temple by anti-CAA protesters on The Citizenship Amendment Act protest page at its talkpage. Very nice
8. Someone wrote "Several journalists reporting on the riots stated that they had been threatened by pro-CAA mobs" and later names of Hindu groups are explicitly mentioned, wherease attacks by anti-CAA protesters is missing in the beginning as well as in details.
"Mere saat jo tha, woh chala gaya [The guy, who was with me, has died],” Mr. Napa said with a sense of loss. The reporter claimed that he was shot by anti-CAA protesters. "
"Urjita said she and Fatima — whom she was with — constantly exchanged names depending on the crowd."
Such unfair and baised editing amounts to a missuse of the Wikipedia for propaganda.
Very unfortunate that there are people who make such selective edits and then when it suits there argument they write somewhere "... Don't you feel your single line will be read by lakhs of people here, and narratives and perception will be created FROM it..."
Care about narratives and perceptions, quoting of WP policies and block threats only when the reality goes againts there biases and prejudices.
As an IP user I tried to reason with some of them at The Citizenship Amendment Act protest talkpage, but those with prejudices and biases, and bent on propaganda, are blind to reason and when they lose argument, they just withdraw as an IP user can't do much on protected pages.
Again mind you that not suggesting that Hindu elements not involved but to show unfairness and unequality resulting in biasness in the article
Tell the truth as it is, whole and complete truth. Treat all with equality and fairness, no matter what you believe and know, no matter how much you are prejudiced and baised against anyone. 2405:204:3323:9B54:74E0:D3F4:A8D0:A375 ( talk) 08:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
If 95 citations can be added about Kapil Mishra's 'prominent' role in incitement (and the others mentioned by Justice Muralidhar in the Delhi High Court) and five citations for other folks, then if the '95 percent' is given 'primacy' or 'prominence,' then it's not violative of 'neutral point of view.' It's merely the preponderance of evidence; or, just plain common sense. This is obvious but I felt this needed to said here. Sachi Mohanty 08:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC) Sachi bbsr ( talk)
The article seems to be biased and looks like an attempt to target a specific political party and the members associated with it and religion. Also, edits from volunteer contributors like S. M. Nazmus Shakib and DBigXray does not seems to be as per the Neutral point of view it may be due to they themself belongs to the radical Islamic community. It is really surprising to see that both the editors left an almost similar message on my talk with a warning to block/ban for the well-cited contents which were added by me in the article.
Senior non-biased Wikipedia admins editors are requested to look into the matter. — Sanskari Hangout 10:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Mohammad Tahir Hussain, the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) councillor from Nehru Vihar, was booked for murder and abduction Of IB officer Ankit Sharma. Hussain was involved in rioting and that the terrace of his four-storey building — his residence as well as a factory that is just 200m from the spot where the body was recovered — was used as a base by rioters to pelt stones and throw petrol bombs (Molotov cocktail). [1] [2] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why is it not been added to main article and kept only in talks ? Ravi1991ss ( talk) 10:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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At Brahmapuri event as the violent Muslim mob passionately shouts slogans of “Nara e Taqbeer, Allahu Akbar”. A bike parked nearby is also seen being torched by the anti-CAA rioters.
[1] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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The voilence was pre-planned. AAP councilor Tahir Hussain's house was the epicenter of the violence which has now been sealed by Delhi police. Large stones, petrol bombs, kersosene, acid bags have been recovered from the building. According to eye-witnesses 3-4 people including Intellegience Buerau Assistant Ankit Sharma were dragged and murdered inside Hussain's house. Ravi1991ss ( talk) 10:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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At Brahmapuri event as the violent Muslim mob passionately shouts slogans of “Nara e Taqbeer, Allahu Akbar”. A bike parked nearby is also seen being torched by the anti-CAA rioters.
Aam Aadmi Party councillor Tahir Hussain booked for kidnapping and murder Intelligence Bureau staffer Ankit Sharma. Previously a disrobed body of a girl found near Tahir Hussain house.
In Ghonda, Mob attacked Monu Kumar and his father Vinod Kumar with stones and swords. The mob was shouting "Allahu Akbar" and attacked Vinod Kumar and he died on spot.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Flairvelocity ( talk) 10:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Why only Islamphobia has been included in caused by, when there is clear evidence of Hindus been killed via gunshots which cannot be a spontaneous act, shops of Hindus burned down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravi1991ss ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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This is extremely one -sided. No metion of Taahir Hussain. 180.151.133.124 ( talk) 09:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
WHY ONLY HINDU PEOPLE NAME IN "PEOPLE INVOLVED"
ONE - SIDED and BIASED ATRTICLE
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Seems like a key issue that has been floating around in the prime time news is being buried here. This article from the Hindustan Times claims that Tahir Hussain has been accused in the killing of Ankit Sharma (an officer of the Intelligence Bureau) and has absconded. It also mentions that bottles of Molotov Cocktails were found at their residence. Historycorrector99 ( talk) 09:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Ankit Sharma's neighbors also alleged (while Speaking to the media), that stones and petrol bombs had been thrown from the roof of the five-story building owned by Mr. Hussain (AAP leader and Municipal Councilor "Tahir Hussain"). As proof of these allegations, videos have been shared that show a man believed to be Mr. Hussain, on the roof along with some other men involved in stone-pelting and other criminal activities. Incident Video 122.168.89.209 ( talk) 14:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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The whole article is very Hindu-phobic and is not at all based on facts. It has been writen by apologists trying to change the reality and blame Hindus. Please see the news and have a look who actually were rioting and killing. Muslims went around terrorizing so many yet play the victim. such unverified articles tarnish wikipedia. 2601:86:100:7C70:5CB3:5B95:1177:2025 ( talk) 15:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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The names of incitors of violence as recognized by supreme court of India as of now are waris pathan,Amanatulla Khan,Sonia Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi. And not the mentioned people except pravesh verma I urge you to make appropriate changes. 103.218.237.116 ( talk) 19:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Does Not included BJP state sponsored terrorism again the muslims as like in kashmir . and the writer seems to be an indian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.87.105 ( talk) 02:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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On Tuesday 25th February the mobs from both communities came face to face and hurled stones, petrol bombs at each other. The mobs from one community were chanting "Jai Shri Ram", while mobs from other community shouting "Nara-e-tadbeer Allah hu Akbar" [1] Flairvelocity ( talk) 12:30, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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46.99.197.95 ( talk) 15:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Dont write this Baised report ... Write on the fact ... Dont show Muslims are the victims .. its Hindus are the Victim the Roads are blocked for 3 months in the name of CAA , and Exam season people were harrssed and commutators are feeling a sense annoying .. Musim leaders and APP party agents frequently visiting Sahinbagh place and giving provocative speeches .. which instigated to a bigger picture.
User:DBigXray Please check here and here where Supreme court said about road block "We have already said in earlier hearings and cannot repeatedly say that the protesters do have the right to protest but they cannot block the roads". These two sources are according to WP:RS. it can be added in main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biman1989 ( talk • contribs) 07:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is clearly a false propaganda where facts are twisted to favor a particular minority it fails to mention the involvement of Tahir Hussain after various accusations by family of Ankit Sharma and clear video evidence. Even police stated on camera that no Masjid was vandalized.
Sarcastic Shukla ( talk) 07:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
What is the proof it's completely Islamophobic riots as there is no concrete proof what instigated violence Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
What is the proof that it's a Islamophobic riots as there is no concrete proof what instigated violence and who started first Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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Main hate monger TAHIR HUSSAIN is on the run. Media linked to RAJDEEP SARDESAI are involved in fanning communal tensions 117.230.163.185 ( talk) 15:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This is a biased article where the actual ground reality is not covered. Many innocent majority group people are killed systematically with pre planning. Jackass77 ( talk) 04:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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This page is very one sided and does not contain correct information. Please refer this to an independent authority. 2601:646:8A00:1BE:35B8:5F11:84F2:51B4 ( talk) 06:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I know you are a hindu hater or any paid agent of opposition that's why you are showing half story TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is one side story . One my friends is working in Delhi hospital and he told that he had 50 dead bodies and all were Hindus. I am not deny muslims aren't affected bt hindus are more.its totally tahir Hussain an Aap party counselor who is responsible for planning and instigating delhi riots .its disgusting that through wikipedia false news is being published I totally disagree with this article . This article is disguising people. Full of lies and hatred. SESHEW ( talk) 09:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes mostly were hindus Vplpoonia ( talk) 09:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Many other political party members like sonia gandhi, rahul gandhi, priyanka gandhi, owasi brothers, manish sisodia, pathan waris, amatullah khan etc have thrown hate speech during this period . Many other anti-nationals like Swara bhaskar (actress), ravish kumar (NDTV), Rajdeep sardesai (Journalist) etc. These people are responsible for tha riots and a notice against them is given to delhi police by supreme court for action against them, but you are a paid dog that's why you target only hindu and bjp leaders. TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Why you have not mentioned this dog named tahir hussain in your article? TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:22, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Which party paid you for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIndianreality ( talk • contribs) 08:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This is reality TheIndianreality ( talk) 08:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
They killed or burned alive Muslims who could not escape and the victims were largely unprotected by the police. At least 37 people, almost all Muslims, were killed and many others beaten half to death.%% ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 13:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
I kept myself away from this article this time as I knew I might get wrong in many places. But just some minutes ago a well known twitter handle with more than 262K followers has tried to direct crowd towards this article. As we can see wikipedia runs on reliable sources and authentic logics only and I can see editors like Kautilya3 have done amazing job in maintainign this article.
But in a few days vandalism is expecting on this article. So a lockdown is requested. Talk page is open for discussion. Requesting DBigXray Kautilya3 to make a lockdown as vandalism is expected after such appeal. Edward Zigma ( talk) 10:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Waddie96, thanks for your copyediting. But I want to understand why you watered down a key passage to:
The BJP used incendiary slogans such as "shoot the traitors" [a] against the protesters as part of their campaign. BJP leader Kapil Mishra also made hate speeches which India Today attributes to be the cause of the BJP defeat. [1] [2]
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- ^ Jeffrey Gettleman, Suhasini Raj, Sameer Yasir, The Roots of the Delhi Riots: A Fiery Speech and an Ultimatum, The New York Times, 27 February 2020.
- ^ Hate speech cost BJP Delhi elections, people like Kapil Mishra should be removed: Manoj Tiwari, India Today, 23 February 2020.
Kapil Mishra is known to have coined the slogan (which was of course used by other BJP leaders as well). But he was held responsible by the state BJP chief, Manoj Tiwari, not by India Today. Tiwari also called for his removal from the party. Some commentators have said that Mishra turned to more extermism in order to resurrect his falling star within the BJP. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Delhi HC notices to prominent members of the Congress party needs to be included in this wiki (as mentioned by the Times of India)
It's not easy to comprehend that which community suffered worse than another. Souniel Yadav ( talk) 17:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Forgive my ignorance, but the article has a mix of -ise and -ize spellings (both vandalise and and vandalize, for example). My assumption is that Indian English uses -ise spelling, but I know there are variants of Commonwealth English that don't. Which should it be? Guettarda ( talk) 13:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Guettarda, QEDK lets focus on the job at hand. I believe on this article the only concern is vandalize vs vandalise. Am I right ? I propose we use vandalize. Does anyone object to this ? what are the other words in this article that need to be discussed ? ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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change "Mobs carrying saffron flags and chanting Jai Shri Ram vandalized and torched mosques and properties of Muslims" to "Muslim and Hindu Mobs attacked each others shops and places of worship" Sunjiiv12 ( talk) 14:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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I strongly oppose to the contents in the article. Why only hindus are held responsible for the riots. Kindly take a note of the facts otherwise I will be bound to file a case against the website ans author of the article. Aldarun23 ( talk) 14:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, the talk page is growing at 400 KB per day. within 3 days it will reach 1.2 MB. Which is why I proposed 24 hrs, archive. A thread that does not get response in 24 hrs will be archived. if anyone wants to continue they can pull it back from archive. This seems as the only way to keep this talk page functional. ⋙–DBig Xrayᗙ 14:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry, I cannot find Ishrat Jahan’s name anywhere in the article when she has been arrested for rioting and attempted murder and her bail has been denied. Gayatri 17:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Delhi riot led by Radical Islam supporters who don't want to provide citizenship to deprived minorities in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Afganistan and Bangladesh... Ashish solar ( talk) 11:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Only updated in the table not in the text. Either remove the mention of victims from the text to avoid this mixup or update it. It's still showing 42 dead and 70 injured. Shubham2019 ( talk) 17:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Tahir Hussain SESHEW ( talk) 09:07, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
The lead figure names are completely made up. You cannot mention names without the court of law’s final decision. Kkartiki18 ( talk) 09:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Till date lead figure has not been removed and other side has not been added even court gave notice to police for Amanullah khan waris pathan And why sharjeel imam is not added as he also gave inflammatory speech Bhav2916 ( talk) 10:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Omar Khalid gave a speech about protesting and organising crowd when trump will visit India. The video is viral ,why is he being left out and what about waaris khan speech iy was communal too Devashish sharma101 ( talk) 13:33, 2 March 2020 (UTC)