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Hello again, this is specifically meant for @ LRataplan but anyone else is welcome to weigh in if interested!
We need to amend the Jorien ter Mors entry to indicate that she was specifically the 1st female to win medals in two different sports at one Winter Olympics because it's already been done a few times at the summer games.
--- It seems that diving and swimming combo's were the in thing back in the 1920's and 1930's! So even though it's happened at least 3 times before at the summer olympics, no other female has ever done it at a winter olympics hence Jorien ter Mors does indeed go down in history for that!
So I've changed her entry to: "In doing so, she became the first female athlete to win Olympic medals in two different sports at a single Winter Games."
Just out of interest, whilst digging around I also found these women who won Olympic medals in two different sports but at separate summer olympics: American Helen Wainwright won silver in diving in 1920 (Antwerp) and another silver in swimming in 1924 (Paris); German Roswitha Krause won medals in swimming & team handball, but at various different games (1968, 1976, 1980); and Briton Rebecca Romero won silver in rowing in 2004 (Athens) and gold in track cycling in 2008 (Beijing).
All fascinating stuff :) Rodney Baggins ( talk) 13:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Actually I've just tweaked the English article on Jorien ter Mors because it didn't state that it was at a Winter games! Rodney Baggins ( talk) 07:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Removed citations because they were showing up underneath next section. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 06:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I am concerned about this edit in particular. What they added seemed to be very passionate and promotional, and places heavy emphasis on several brands that are Worldwide Olympic Partners, specifically Intel and Samsung. When asked if they had any affiliation with the subjects they were writing about, they dodged the question entirely and accused me of trying to obscure the Olympics' purpose as a platform for new technologies and being ignorant of the "significance of ever growing dynamics between sports and tech". I suspect a COI. ViperSnake151 Talk 22:59, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Suggestion: One way of moving this on would be to create a separate article called "Technical Innovations at 2018 Winter Olympics" with a link through to it from the main intro in the current article. It would have a red link (Page does not exist) until the new tech page was approved/published but then it would be available to be expanded in the future with links to it from other sporting events. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 07:04, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Over the past couple of weeks, various people have been batting this around by editing and re-editing the first sentence of the current article. The consensus was reached that Olympics is a singular collective noun. The test is to ask yourself: "is there such a thing as an Olympic? What exactly is an Olympic then?" If there is such a thing, then 'Olympics' must be more than one 'Olympic', but the answer is clearly NO. So we can treat 'Olympics' as the singular noun.
Type "Olympics singular or plural" into Google Search and you get the following:
>We at ESL Library decided to go with “the Olympics” + singular verb and “the Olympic Games” + plural verb. Basically, “the Olympics” is a collective noun like team or United States, and usually takes a singular verb. ESL Library. 29 Jul 2012 See Ref: http://blog.esllibrary.com/2012/07/29/olympics-singular-or-plural/
This does have repercussions for other olympics pages, e.g. Winter Olympic Games reads "The Winter Olympic Games (French: Jeux olympiques d'hiver) is a major international sporting event... " which is clearly wrong using the current logic.
Please also refer to my edits on 28 Feb (00:08) and 25 Feb (13:06).
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Whoops, 'singular collective verb' should be 'singular collective noun' in previous edit summary.
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Please also see
Dates up front on all Records in section 3.8? above. As no-one seems to have a strong opinion on this either way, I shall probably move on this today, so don't be surprised if the Records section changes significantly later on.
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:43, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
There has been an ongoing argument on the main page about the image of political protesters in the North Korean relations section. This has rapidly escalated into an edit war and one or both of you are liable to be reported if you make any further reversions. For the record, I have always thought this picture was rather contentious and it would perhaps be best left out altogether, the current argument being proof that even though it represents cited fact, the very fact that Wikipedia has chosen to include the image on a page that is otherwise about a friendly global sporting event perhaps indicates a political stance. Maybe the section would be best left as plain text without any images or a less contentious image used instead? See
WP:NPOVFAQ I have not deleted the image this time, just commented it out in the meantime. Please try to propose a compromise through negotiating here rather than arguing via your edit summaries.
The route to a sensible solution might be to get a translation of the text on the protest banner...
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 06:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] -- Mobius6 ( talk) 02:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
@ HiLo48: I've reverted your edit to the NHL participation section for the following reason:
NHL stands for "National Hockey League" which is the name of the U.S. ice hockey federation, the subject of this whole paragraph/subsection. As it's a bit of a mouthful to keep saying National Hockey League all the time, I introduced the abbreviation NHL in the first sentence and then used it throughout the rest of the paragraph, which is a common method of dealing with lengthy names of institutions. I see no reason why that method cannot be used in this instance. The abbreviation was given in the first line as already explained, but then the title also carries the abbreviation for the sake of brevity. You failed to notice that the same abbreviation was repeated about another 8 times in the same paragraph, not just in the title and the first line, or at least you didn't challenge it (or did you just think it was fine for some reason!?)
Following on from all that, I agree with you that NHL is a local abbreviation, so I guess it's important to explain in the first line exactly what it is, so that is the reason why this time round I've simply stated "the North American professional ice hockey league (the NHL)" with a wikilink through to the National Hockey League's article. I think that just about covers it.
I'm irritated that you reverted my entire copyedit. Was there any particular reason for that? I can only assume it was just carelessness on your part so please be a little more careful in future. I don't see how you could have objected to ALL my changes! Thanks, Rodney Baggins ( talk) 11:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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Firstly, I suspect this section should be named Bidding and selection. (Not election.)
Secondly, the second contains this sentence - "So this time, in the first round of voting, I set up a strategy to end it with a majority in one shot, which was perfectly successful." Who is "I"? What's this really about? Is it a quote from someone that's become orphaned? HiLo48 ( talk) 06:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hello again, this is specifically meant for @ LRataplan but anyone else is welcome to weigh in if interested!
We need to amend the Jorien ter Mors entry to indicate that she was specifically the 1st female to win medals in two different sports at one Winter Olympics because it's already been done a few times at the summer games.
--- It seems that diving and swimming combo's were the in thing back in the 1920's and 1930's! So even though it's happened at least 3 times before at the summer olympics, no other female has ever done it at a winter olympics hence Jorien ter Mors does indeed go down in history for that!
So I've changed her entry to: "In doing so, she became the first female athlete to win Olympic medals in two different sports at a single Winter Games."
Just out of interest, whilst digging around I also found these women who won Olympic medals in two different sports but at separate summer olympics: American Helen Wainwright won silver in diving in 1920 (Antwerp) and another silver in swimming in 1924 (Paris); German Roswitha Krause won medals in swimming & team handball, but at various different games (1968, 1976, 1980); and Briton Rebecca Romero won silver in rowing in 2004 (Athens) and gold in track cycling in 2008 (Beijing).
All fascinating stuff :) Rodney Baggins ( talk) 13:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Actually I've just tweaked the English article on Jorien ter Mors because it didn't state that it was at a Winter games! Rodney Baggins ( talk) 07:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Removed citations because they were showing up underneath next section. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 06:29, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I am concerned about this edit in particular. What they added seemed to be very passionate and promotional, and places heavy emphasis on several brands that are Worldwide Olympic Partners, specifically Intel and Samsung. When asked if they had any affiliation with the subjects they were writing about, they dodged the question entirely and accused me of trying to obscure the Olympics' purpose as a platform for new technologies and being ignorant of the "significance of ever growing dynamics between sports and tech". I suspect a COI. ViperSnake151 Talk 22:59, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Suggestion: One way of moving this on would be to create a separate article called "Technical Innovations at 2018 Winter Olympics" with a link through to it from the main intro in the current article. It would have a red link (Page does not exist) until the new tech page was approved/published but then it would be available to be expanded in the future with links to it from other sporting events. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 07:04, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Over the past couple of weeks, various people have been batting this around by editing and re-editing the first sentence of the current article. The consensus was reached that Olympics is a singular collective noun. The test is to ask yourself: "is there such a thing as an Olympic? What exactly is an Olympic then?" If there is such a thing, then 'Olympics' must be more than one 'Olympic', but the answer is clearly NO. So we can treat 'Olympics' as the singular noun.
Type "Olympics singular or plural" into Google Search and you get the following:
>We at ESL Library decided to go with “the Olympics” + singular verb and “the Olympic Games” + plural verb. Basically, “the Olympics” is a collective noun like team or United States, and usually takes a singular verb. ESL Library. 29 Jul 2012 See Ref: http://blog.esllibrary.com/2012/07/29/olympics-singular-or-plural/
This does have repercussions for other olympics pages, e.g. Winter Olympic Games reads "The Winter Olympic Games (French: Jeux olympiques d'hiver) is a major international sporting event... " which is clearly wrong using the current logic.
Please also refer to my edits on 28 Feb (00:08) and 25 Feb (13:06).
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Whoops, 'singular collective verb' should be 'singular collective noun' in previous edit summary.
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Please also see
Dates up front on all Records in section 3.8? above. As no-one seems to have a strong opinion on this either way, I shall probably move on this today, so don't be surprised if the Records section changes significantly later on.
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 08:43, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
There has been an ongoing argument on the main page about the image of political protesters in the North Korean relations section. This has rapidly escalated into an edit war and one or both of you are liable to be reported if you make any further reversions. For the record, I have always thought this picture was rather contentious and it would perhaps be best left out altogether, the current argument being proof that even though it represents cited fact, the very fact that Wikipedia has chosen to include the image on a page that is otherwise about a friendly global sporting event perhaps indicates a political stance. Maybe the section would be best left as plain text without any images or a less contentious image used instead? See
WP:NPOVFAQ I have not deleted the image this time, just commented it out in the meantime. Please try to propose a compromise through negotiating here rather than arguing via your edit summaries.
The route to a sensible solution might be to get a translation of the text on the protest banner...
Rodney Baggins (
talk) 06:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] -- Mobius6 ( talk) 02:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
@ HiLo48: I've reverted your edit to the NHL participation section for the following reason:
NHL stands for "National Hockey League" which is the name of the U.S. ice hockey federation, the subject of this whole paragraph/subsection. As it's a bit of a mouthful to keep saying National Hockey League all the time, I introduced the abbreviation NHL in the first sentence and then used it throughout the rest of the paragraph, which is a common method of dealing with lengthy names of institutions. I see no reason why that method cannot be used in this instance. The abbreviation was given in the first line as already explained, but then the title also carries the abbreviation for the sake of brevity. You failed to notice that the same abbreviation was repeated about another 8 times in the same paragraph, not just in the title and the first line, or at least you didn't challenge it (or did you just think it was fine for some reason!?)
Following on from all that, I agree with you that NHL is a local abbreviation, so I guess it's important to explain in the first line exactly what it is, so that is the reason why this time round I've simply stated "the North American professional ice hockey league (the NHL)" with a wikilink through to the National Hockey League's article. I think that just about covers it.
I'm irritated that you reverted my entire copyedit. Was there any particular reason for that? I can only assume it was just carelessness on your part so please be a little more careful in future. I don't see how you could have objected to ALL my changes! Thanks, Rodney Baggins ( talk) 11:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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Firstly, I suspect this section should be named Bidding and selection. (Not election.)
Secondly, the second contains this sentence - "So this time, in the first round of voting, I set up a strategy to end it with a majority in one shot, which was perfectly successful." Who is "I"? What's this really about? Is it a quote from someone that's become orphaned? HiLo48 ( talk) 06:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)