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Can someone confirm what the registration of the stolen plane was indeed N449QX? According to FlightAware, the last tracked flight of N449QX was from SeaTac to Victoria International and the return flight was canceled. -- Omega13a ( talk) 06:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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OK, we've got two opposing merge proposals. Let's keep the discussion at talk:2018 Sea-Tac airplane theft#Merge to avoid confusion. Mjroots ( talk) 07:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
At the end of the video that shows the barrel roll attempt, a fighter plane is shown. Notice the horizontal part of the tail. It clearly has the shape of an F-22 tail. 97.104.70.92 ( talk) 07:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
It's an F-15. They were ANG aircraft, and only active USAF units operate the F-22. The tail does look like an F-22, but that's really just because it's a twin-engine fighter jet with a stabilator that sits behind the exhaust. The -22 is incredibly distinctive, even at low resolutions. FireLordAang ( talk) 06:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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How does BLP pertain? The guy's dead! kencf0618 ( talk) 05:36, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
This incident seems to fit the definition of a hijacking. Should the title be changed, replacing "theft" with hijacking? Juneau Mike ( talk) 06:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
https://theaviationist.com/2018/08/11/f-15cs-intercept-stolen-dash-8-airliner-out-of-seattle-tacoma-airport-before-crash/ kencf0618 ( talk) 16:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department utilized Twitter as an official news feed: "Follow this thread for official info." This provides context for their Twitter account being included in the article, methinks. Too, this bizarre incident shall be gone over with the proverbial fine-toothed comb by all agencies involved (including ours); it's not the Lufthansa heist, but it's our Lufthansa heist, so to speak.
( https://twitter.com/PierceSheriff/status/1028143213142401025)
kencf0618 ( talk) 06:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Tagishsimon, Mjroots, Bohbye, I'm a little confused. What exactly are the proposals? Anyway, my input is this:
See Draft:2018 Bombardier Dash 8 hijacking incident. The draft contains two sources which aren't in the present article. Based solely on an offhand glance, they both appear to be stronger than many of the sources which are in the article. There's also an AFC reviewer who appears to believe that this topic isn't notable, citing various pieces of policy, yet at the same time they aren't taking this article to AFD. I left the usual comments over there about paper tigers existing in walled gardens and continuing to carry on as if what happens in draftspace need not bear any relation to what goes on in the rest of the encyclopedia. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 00:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
In the Info Box, Richard Russell is listed as the "crew". I don't think that is correct or appropriate. He stole the plane. Calling him a member of the "crew" seems to minimize his criminal conduct and to legitimize his presence on the plane. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:18, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This article has some good biographical info on Richard Russell: Who was Richard Russell? 7 things to know. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 15:36, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This edit has been the cause of some edit warring. Specifically, whether to use the wording, "when he crashed the aircraft" or "when the aircraft crashed". The statement should be, in my opinion, "when he crashed the aircraft". Let's discuss that here. Pinging involved parties: @ Bohbye: @ Ahunt: @ 2600:1003:b10b:1509:2a88:42bf:d0ab:3acf:. -- HunterM267 talk 21:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Kinda funny to watch IP editor reverting edits non stop. Must be giving them an revertgasm. Bohbye ( talk) 18:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Too much irrelevant info to the incident. Who cares who and where he married? Owned a bakery? Let’s cut down on the unrelated info. Bohbye ( talk) 22:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The videoed manoeuvre ended up being more like a Split-S than a Barrel Roll. However, I doubt the man at the yoke had enough control to choose how it actually turned out. Should it be changed to "attempted barrel roll"? I guess he did say he was going to try a barrel roll, even if he didn't end up actually doing one. Is intention enough? Kotukunui ( talk) 01:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 01:44, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
With WP:BLP in mind, should we be calling this a suicide without an official determination that it was suicide? Mjroots ( talk) 05:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Granted, until suicide is officially ruled, I'm ok with leaving out "suicide by pilot". But can we please stop making the "he wasn't a pilot, he was ground crew" argument? He was at the controls, he was the pilot of the plane at the time it crashed. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
There has been a lot of edit warring about describing the pilot in the lede as "the perpetrator". Can we get a consensus here and stop the edit warring? (For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not referring to the section title, just the lede.) -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I am well aware that many do not see the perpetrator as a pilot. However, he did perform the tasks of a pilot "An aircraft pilot or aviator is a person who controls the flight of an aircraft by operating its directional flight controls". I propose to use the term "Non-certificated pilot" as he is listed on the NTSB Preliminary Report. Your thoughts? -- Bohbye ( talk) 21:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the correct runway that was used? The video shows the plane taking off from the closest runway to the airport which is 16L, but audio and written reports say it was 16C. 2604:3D08:5786:1000:A1D8:AFA8:6408:E711 ( talk) 23:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Skip6546 Is there a centralised agreement on when "Occurence " should be used instead of "Accident" or "Incident"? Your edit summary did not give much away. Many thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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Can someone confirm what the registration of the stolen plane was indeed N449QX? According to FlightAware, the last tracked flight of N449QX was from SeaTac to Victoria International and the return flight was canceled. -- Omega13a ( talk) 06:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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OK, we've got two opposing merge proposals. Let's keep the discussion at talk:2018 Sea-Tac airplane theft#Merge to avoid confusion. Mjroots ( talk) 07:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
At the end of the video that shows the barrel roll attempt, a fighter plane is shown. Notice the horizontal part of the tail. It clearly has the shape of an F-22 tail. 97.104.70.92 ( talk) 07:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
It's an F-15. They were ANG aircraft, and only active USAF units operate the F-22. The tail does look like an F-22, but that's really just because it's a twin-engine fighter jet with a stabilator that sits behind the exhaust. The -22 is incredibly distinctive, even at low resolutions. FireLordAang ( talk) 06:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
How does BLP pertain? The guy's dead! kencf0618 ( talk) 05:36, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
This incident seems to fit the definition of a hijacking. Should the title be changed, replacing "theft" with hijacking? Juneau Mike ( talk) 06:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
https://theaviationist.com/2018/08/11/f-15cs-intercept-stolen-dash-8-airliner-out-of-seattle-tacoma-airport-before-crash/ kencf0618 ( talk) 16:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department utilized Twitter as an official news feed: "Follow this thread for official info." This provides context for their Twitter account being included in the article, methinks. Too, this bizarre incident shall be gone over with the proverbial fine-toothed comb by all agencies involved (including ours); it's not the Lufthansa heist, but it's our Lufthansa heist, so to speak.
( https://twitter.com/PierceSheriff/status/1028143213142401025)
kencf0618 ( talk) 06:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Tagishsimon, Mjroots, Bohbye, I'm a little confused. What exactly are the proposals? Anyway, my input is this:
See Draft:2018 Bombardier Dash 8 hijacking incident. The draft contains two sources which aren't in the present article. Based solely on an offhand glance, they both appear to be stronger than many of the sources which are in the article. There's also an AFC reviewer who appears to believe that this topic isn't notable, citing various pieces of policy, yet at the same time they aren't taking this article to AFD. I left the usual comments over there about paper tigers existing in walled gardens and continuing to carry on as if what happens in draftspace need not bear any relation to what goes on in the rest of the encyclopedia. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 00:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
In the Info Box, Richard Russell is listed as the "crew". I don't think that is correct or appropriate. He stole the plane. Calling him a member of the "crew" seems to minimize his criminal conduct and to legitimize his presence on the plane. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:18, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This article has some good biographical info on Richard Russell: Who was Richard Russell? 7 things to know. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 15:36, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
This edit has been the cause of some edit warring. Specifically, whether to use the wording, "when he crashed the aircraft" or "when the aircraft crashed". The statement should be, in my opinion, "when he crashed the aircraft". Let's discuss that here. Pinging involved parties: @ Bohbye: @ Ahunt: @ 2600:1003:b10b:1509:2a88:42bf:d0ab:3acf:. -- HunterM267 talk 21:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Kinda funny to watch IP editor reverting edits non stop. Must be giving them an revertgasm. Bohbye ( talk) 18:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Too much irrelevant info to the incident. Who cares who and where he married? Owned a bakery? Let’s cut down on the unrelated info. Bohbye ( talk) 22:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The videoed manoeuvre ended up being more like a Split-S than a Barrel Roll. However, I doubt the man at the yoke had enough control to choose how it actually turned out. Should it be changed to "attempted barrel roll"? I guess he did say he was going to try a barrel roll, even if he didn't end up actually doing one. Is intention enough? Kotukunui ( talk) 01:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC) ( talk • contribs) 01:44, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
With WP:BLP in mind, should we be calling this a suicide without an official determination that it was suicide? Mjroots ( talk) 05:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Granted, until suicide is officially ruled, I'm ok with leaving out "suicide by pilot". But can we please stop making the "he wasn't a pilot, he was ground crew" argument? He was at the controls, he was the pilot of the plane at the time it crashed. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
There has been a lot of edit warring about describing the pilot in the lede as "the perpetrator". Can we get a consensus here and stop the edit warring? (For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not referring to the section title, just the lede.) -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I am well aware that many do not see the perpetrator as a pilot. However, he did perform the tasks of a pilot "An aircraft pilot or aviator is a person who controls the flight of an aircraft by operating its directional flight controls". I propose to use the term "Non-certificated pilot" as he is listed on the NTSB Preliminary Report. Your thoughts? -- Bohbye ( talk) 21:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the correct runway that was used? The video shows the plane taking off from the closest runway to the airport which is 16L, but audio and written reports say it was 16C. 2604:3D08:5786:1000:A1D8:AFA8:6408:E711 ( talk) 23:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Skip6546 Is there a centralised agreement on when "Occurence " should be used instead of "Accident" or "Incident"? Your edit summary did not give much away. Many thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 09:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)