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There appears to be a dispute about whether to include the Officiating subsection in the Controversies section of this article. I think it should be included here since there are a few serious controversies. Also, now that a Russian laser incident subsection has been added, I'm wondering: what information can we document here? I don't want this article to be filled of controversy information since we have a separate article for just that. Hey mid ( contribs) 08:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
So trying to talk nicely didn't seem to go anywhere. Could people who care about this issue express and justify their opinions? There has been a notable subsection at in the controversy section on refereeing, which has been trimmed down by various editors to leave behind only the two most contentious issues where enough criticism existed such as FIFA themselves issued statements. Then there is a seemingly inexperienced editor UNILATERALLY removing that section without prior discussion with teh argument that the subarticle discusses those issues. Am I missing anything? Nergaal ( talk) 19:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 21:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
In any case, as it stands now, this topic is currently missing from the main page. I'm not saying it necessarily needs the entire subsection, but it needs at least a mention.
A compromise could be to write a short introduction for the Controversies section, mentioning officiating incidents (in general), with another explicit link to the separate article. That said, I personally would not be against the subsection as it was, because it's hard to find 'the most important officiating controversies' in the separate article since that one is not listed by category, but by match. In that sense, this subsection contains different information because of how it's structured. But anyway, if not this, let's at least have that introduction. Sygmoral ( talk) 02:48, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Should there be some sort of comment about what this means and what the status of this table is? Is the Post-tournament team ranking an official FIFA thing? Can Ecuador officially say that they came 17th in the World Cup, or is this just the way that they're being described for the purposes of this table? And what will be the deciding tie-breaker for teams ranked between 9th and 16th if (as seems likely) multiple teams are knocked out with the same scoreline? 83.244.128.162 ( talk) 10:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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May I be allowed to edit the scores, I will help with doing everything as quickly on time but correctly . Thank You . OliwierEOB ( talk) 18:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Someone forgot to highlight Uruguay as one of the countries that have passed to the Round of 16 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup#mediaviewer/File:2014_world_cup.png
-- 162.206.81.119 ( talk) 22:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Suarez no longer needs the small [b] reference next to his name due to being out of the tournament, as his team is out of the tournament anyway. KarstenO ( talk) 22:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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As you can see in the section above, #Officiating_subsection_in_Controversies, there is an editor that continues to remove a section of issues with referees. There seem to be me and two other users who agree that the section should exist in some form. Nergaal ( talk) 13:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Yesterday, I noticed that this article was using a customized current events template that stated the current round and thedates of the round and the dates the FIFA Wold Cup would take place on. I changed it to {{ current sport}} as this is precisely the situation this template was made for and I didn't a current events template (or at least one meant as a disclaimer at the top) needs to display dates or the current stage. I was reverted a few hours later by Zzyzx11 ( talk · contribs) who pointed out this discussion that he claimed was a consensus and claims the templates guidelines for current sport doesn't allow use here. I disagree. This, as I said, is the exact type of event this template exists for, not to mention, I don't think four participants in a consensus making discussion can establish a consensus anyway. Also, to create a specialized template for the event 1) gives undue weight to the event, and 2) is a form of POV pushing as it says this event is so special, it gets its own templates made for it. In short, if {{ Current sport}} is good enough for the Olympics or any other sports' championship tournament, then its good enough for the FIFA World Cup. CRRays Head90 | #RaysUp 18:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Why were the minutes and names of those who scored during the group stage removed? Why just the scores?
But this is an encyclopedia. Adding a few names and numbers is hardly information overload.
Thanks. But I still think this information would be easier to find if you could just scroll down the world cup page instead of having to look up each group separately. The article has the names and minutes for the knockout stage. Why not the group stage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabuking ( talk • contribs)
Can we please have a note in Huntelaar's goal explaining that Robben dived thrice? Himself admitted it: http://www.goal.com/en/news/3790/world-cup-2014/2014/06/29/4923943/robben-apologises-for-diving-against-mexico . As fouled as he could have been, he deserved something for that many dirty tricks. These three goals were a statistic, but the non-standard conditions for the last one are not to be overlooked. 189.138.234.238 ( talk) 23:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
There really should be a section. Not only was there obvious video evidence of the green laser being shined onto the goal keeper's face, but the algerian football federation itself was fined for it. i could only imagine if England had been sent home after their players had been lasered in the face how this article would read. Whatzinaname ( talk) 03:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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In the 2014 FIFA World Cup, Neymar recently scored a goal against Chile in the penalty shootout. Because I'm not autoconfirmed yet, I can't edit it. So can someone edit the statistics and the top scorers section in the table on the right? Thanks!
It should be like this:
5 goals: • (Brazilian flag) Neymar (with the link)
And
Top scorer(s): (Brazilian flag) Neymar (with the link)
Ev3commander (
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Something about James Rodríguez: The person editing the top scorers forgot to also update the statistics: 5 goals: • (Colombian flag) [ James Rodríguez] Ev3commander ( talk) 21:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
The first cooling break listed is wrong. It was during the USA and Portugal game. I don't remember what the temperature or the humidity was, but I've watched pretty much every game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crimexturtle ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Fation.shusha1897 ( talk) 00:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Is that table of the teams sorted by group RIGHT before listing the groups really necessary? Seems completely redundant to me. 75.130.93.81 ( talk) 14:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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139.228.237.53 ( talk) 07:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Round of 16 section, the statement "For the first time since the 32-team format was introduced, all the group winners qualified through the round of 16" could be replaced by "It is for the first time since 1966 that all the group winners progressed the subsequent stage." This could have been possible in all world cups since then but the 1982 one (which had 6 initial groups and only 4 teams to advance the 2nd group stage).
Here are the stats:
References
Hi, the sentence "For the first time since the 32-team format was introduced, all the group winners qualified through the round of 16" is hard to understand. Qualified for what? And what does "through" mean? I think it may be trying to say that all group winners progressed to the quarter-finals? If so, just say that. 86.179.3.254 ( talk) 17:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we should mention Luis Suárez here or is it about only the players from teams still 'active' in the World Cup?— Khabboos ( talk) 16:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
The Group stage section, which is using a transclusion has issues:
May I suggest we remove the transclusion and use a traditional parent/child article system? Soerfm ( talk) 21:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The information we have on the page says that the first cooling break was in the Group Stage match USA vs Portugal, however FIFA and other news outlets say that the first cooling break was in the Round of 16 match Netherlands vs Mexico. https://twitter.com/FIFAWorldCup/status/483287726973014017 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/brazil2014/post-game/fifa-world-cup-netherlands-2-mexico-1-1.2691278 Do we change this? MarkFizz ( talk) 17:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
the following sentence to the controversy section "The month of Ramadan partially coincided with the world cup and there has been speculation on how this would affect players; http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ramadan-fasting-affect-world-cup-players/story?id=24380986. 80.43.226.127 ( talk) 17:38, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Since many media outlets, sports comentators and other specialists are already calling this World cup as a success even before it has ended, and the "best world cup ever" due to many factors, we need to add a few other headers to this article. Here a a few examples:
Reception (Critical response, etc) Analysis (Critical re-evaluation) Legacy (In popular culture; Recognition ... etc)
We also need to elaborate a little further on how much money this event is directly or indirectly generating ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.66.10 ( talk) 17:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Why are the quarterfinals that start earlier on the day given a higher match number? Why does Match 58 start before Match 57 and Match 60 start before 59? Sivakosaran ( talk) 04:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
How long do we wait, as there was no official caution or dismissal?: [10], [11], [12] Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Must get a mention. Suarez cheating (I know that is not ‘encyclopaedic’) will be, shamefully, one of the talking points of the whole games. 194.66.253.12 ( talk) 06:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Sentence reads "All world champion teams since the first World Cup in 1930 – Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Uruguay – qualified for this competition." With the exception of Spain, who won it in 2010, and so therefore cannot be counted, all World champion teams, which are Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy & Uruguay, all qualified for the competition in 2010. So why is Brazil 2014 the first time this has happened since 1930, when the same happened in 2010? 198.91.189.23 ( talk) 17:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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Miolasa ( talk) 13:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC) I want to get live updates of footbll in wikipedia
The Brazil players in the goalscorers list should still be shown in bold font. They are "still in active competition": they can't win the Cup but they still have one more match to play, which is an opportunity to add to their goal tally. Ordinary Person ( talk) 02:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we should be using {{
Fb cl3 team}} template with |no-extras=yes
instead of normal tables for these, like is used in articles like
2013 Africa Cup of Nations. Seems to me like a much less tedious method than doesn't allow any room for statistical errors, although the Group column will have been removed in the process.
Davykamanzi →
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contribs •
alter ego
17:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
In the goalscorers edition, it says that players rendered in bold are still active in the competition. How do we determine that? Do we take into account suspensions and injuries (like the one Neymar suffered) as well? AhBengI ( talk) 10:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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Netherlands vs. Argentina score 0-0 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:48, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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remove Match 62 on and replace with 0-0 on Argentina vs. Netherlands 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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remove Match 62 on and replace with 0-0 on Argentina vs. Netherlands 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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Please add in the opening, after "The title holders, Spain, were eliminated at the group stage after losses in the first two matches. ", the line "The hosts were eliminated in the semi-finals, after a shock 7-1 defeat to Germany." MarkBM ( talk) 04:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Now that the Estádio do Maracanã article has been renamed Maracanã Stadium, should we change all instances of this stadium to "Maracanã Stadium" in all 2014 World Cup articles? Also, should we change "Estádio Castelão" to just " Castelão"? There might be other stadiums too, but I'm wondering whether we should use the stadiums' article names or their official names. Hey mid ( contribs) 14:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Under Section 8 "Statistics" subcategory 8.4 Tournament team rankings, Costa Rica is listed in the 8th position of the Final Rankings below the subtitle "Eliminated in the quarter-finals" with 5 games played: 2 wins, 3 draws, 0 losses. These statistics are incorrect as Costa Rica truly has 3 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss.
My suspicion is that there is a problem with the algorithm that automatically calculates the wins, losses and draws in the "Tournament team ranking" table. Namely, a knockout stage game that results in a penalty shoot-out (PSO or pen.) is tallied as a draw because the algorithm is using the tied final score after extra time (aet) rather than determining a win based on the larger number of successful penalty kicks by a given team.
Furthermore, Chile -- with a final ranking of 9 -- is listed at 2 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss when, in fact, they never drew and lost twice this tournament to both the Netherlands in Group Stage and Brazil in the Round of 16.
Given these similar errors, I believe my suspicion of the bug in the algorithm is responsible for the error, specifically PSO games being counted as draws.
Upon further review of the
2010 FIFA World Cup page -- a different Wikipedia article altogether -- below section 11.5
Post-tournament team ranking, Japan is also listed in the 9th position with 1 draw when they never drew; rather, they lost for the second time against Paraguay in the Round of 16. It appears the same is true of the statistical errors for Paraguay, Uruguay, and Ghana; along with Japan, the four teams who participated in PSOs throughout the the Knoukout Stage of the 2010 World Cup.
Moreover, in the 2006 FIFA World Cup page, -- perhaps the most egregious statistical error so far -- France is listed as attaining 0 losses when, in fact, they lost to Italy in the final.
After inspecting other FIFA World Cup articles, the same or similar errors can be found in "Final Standings" tables of most all World Cups dating back to 1934 when Italy and Spain played a rematch after drawing 1-1 in the Quarter-finals; in this case, the games played (P) column is also incorrect. Interestingly, the inaugural 1930 World Cup contained not a single draw, match with extra time, nor penalty shoot-out.
Ok, so this rabbit hole goes even deeper! After checking the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup statistics page, the same error appears for Spain in the Overall Statistics Table; Spain is listed as having drawn once in five games played, when, in fact, they won 4 times and lost to Brazil in the final -- the error derived from the PSO against Italy in the semi-final match after ending 0-0 after extra time.
My guess is that this algorithm is ubiquitous and rampant for most all statistical tables of football/soccer tournaments in the Wikipedia archives. It will have to be corrected for all articles beyond FIFA World Cup and Confederations Cup pages.
So noticing one small statistical error turned out to be just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, this won't be too painstaking to fix :)
Best,
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Costa Rica has a different rank now, loses a game and shot 12 goals. Wikuniade ( talk) 14:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I noted the list of assist leaders is not complete. The source referenced only provides the ranking of number of assists for only those who have scored at least once. Philipp lahm has 2 assists. Cobx9 ( talk) 01:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC) —
I think we should remove the beige color from the background of the fourth ranked team in the 'Tournament team rankings' table .. after all the fourth placed team won't receive a medal to get a background color like the other three awarded teams.-- AhMeD BoSS ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
in the graphic / table some games are annotated with "aet" the abbreviation is explained as "overtime" a phrase related to the workplace it should correctly be called "extra-time" or "added extra-time" "aet" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.194.140 ( talk) 01:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
"Only three top-25 ranked teams did not qualify for the tournament: Ukraine (16), Denmark (23) and Slovenia (25)." Why list only from the top 25? Why not the top 32 as there are 32 teams in the tournament? Sophie means wisdom ( talk) 10:14, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
This article is biased. It is concentrating only on negative stuff, despite worldwide recognition of this world cup as a stupendous success in every way, and mostly due to the hosts Brazil. So tone down the negative stuff and include all the positive stuff as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.64.120 ( talk) 23:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
The "next day scenarios" are not to be inluded after consensus at WP:FOOTY. The consensus can be read at WT:FOOTY Archieve 82 (link to section) and the consensus was confirmed afterwards at WP:ANI after a editor still continued with the edit, which can bee seen at WP:ANI archieve 821 (link to section). The insertion of these scenarios has also been at Dispute resolution noticeboard where it was decided "Resolved against inclusion of the material" which you can read at DRN archieve 54 (link to section). So as I said no "next day scenarios" unless new consensus at WT:FOOTY. Older discussions like this discussion follow the same line. QED237 (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we agree on reducing the Statistics-section, maybe just:...
Most goals : 6 by
James Rodríguez (Goals scored from penalty shoot-outs are not counted.)
Most assists: 4 by
Juan Guillermo Cuadrado and
Toni Kroos
The most notable disciplinary case was that of Uruguayan striker Luis Suárez, who was suspended for nine international matches and banned from taking part in any football-related activity (including entering any stadium) for four months, following a biting incident on Italian defender Giorgio Chiellini. He was also fined CHF100,000.
The following awards were given at the conclusion of the tournament:
Award | Winner |
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Golden Ball | |
Golden Boot |
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Golden Glove | |
Best Young Player | |
FIFA Fair Play Trophy |
The total prize money on offer for the tournament was confirmed by FIFA as US$576 million (including payments of US$70 million to domestic clubs), a 37 percent increase from the amount allocated in the 2010 tournament. Before the tournament, each of the 32 entrants will receive US$1.5 million for preparation costs. Once at the tournament, the prize money will be distributed as follows:
Note: As per statistical convention in football, matches decided in extra time are counted as wins and losses, while matches decided by penalty shoot-outs are counted as draws.
Champion Runner-up | Third place Fourth place | Quarter-finals Round of 16 | Group stage |
Pos. | Team | G | Pld | W | D | L | Pts | GF | GA | GD |
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G | 7 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 19 | 18 | 4 | +14 |
2 | ![]() |
F | 7 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 16 | 8 | 4 | +4 |
3 | ![]() |
B | 7 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 17 | 15 | 4 | +11 |
4 | ![]() |
A | 7 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 11 | 11 | 14 | −3 |
Eliminated in the quarter-finals | ||||||||||
5 | ![]() |
C | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 12 | 4 | +8 |
6 | ![]() |
H | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 6 | 3 | +3 |
7 | ![]() |
E | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 10 | 3 | +7 |
8 | ![]() |
D | 5 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 9 | 5 | 2 | +3 |
Eliminated in the round of 16 | ||||||||||
9 | ![]() |
B | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 4 | +2 |
10 | ![]() |
A | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 5 | 3 | +2 |
11 | ![]() |
E | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 0 |
12 | ![]() |
D | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 6 | −2 |
13 | ![]() |
C | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 5 | −2 |
14 | ![]() |
H | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 7 | 7 | 0 |
15 | ![]() |
G | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 6 | −1 |
16 | ![]() |
F | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 5 | −2 |
Eliminated in the group stage | ||||||||||
17 | ![]() |
E | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
18 | ![]() |
G | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 7 | −3 |
19 | ![]() |
A | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 0 |
20 | ![]() |
F | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 0 |
21 | ![]() |
C | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | −1 |
22 | ![]() |
D | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | −1 |
23 | ![]() |
B | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 7 | −3 |
24 | ![]() |
H | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | −1 |
25 | ![]() |
G | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 6 | −2 |
26 | ![]() |
D | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 4 | −2 |
27 | ![]() |
H | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6 | −3 |
28 | ![]() |
F | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | −3 |
29 | ![]() |
C | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 6 | −4 |
30 | ![]() |
B | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 9 | −6 |
31 | ![]() |
E | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 8 | −7 |
32 | ![]() |
A | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 9 | −8 |
Soerfm ( talk) 11:44, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
The Technical Study Group and All Star Team subsection can have it's own section. We can take the Group out of the tournament team rankings table. We can either take the points out the table or replace it place it with winning percentage. Kingjeff ( talk) 06:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
(Could you show it here? Soerfm ( talk) 10:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC))
I tend to see the mentioning of Forward Sports as promotion. It would IMO be appropriate to mentioning it in the article about the ball but I fail to see how they contributed to innovation. Soerfm ( talk) 15:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There is an obvious incorrectness in the "Assists" section of the article as it does not display the assists made by all of the players in the tournament, but rather only shows the assists made by players who also happen to be goalscorers. It should either be removed (it being incorrect) or it should be replaced with correct and sadly unofficial statistics, as FIFA's committee of experts did not make (as far as I know) a proper stats for this category. 83.131.255.213 ( talk) 12:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Consensus is not to update results during matches and not to update final standings before tournament is over even if such information is published by FIFA before that time. Soerfm ( talk) 13:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
--Note to whoever edits this- the Netherlands is not champion, Germany is. See the box to the right with the flags. This is why you shouldn't limit editing to people within the corporation, Wikipedia! Sorry, but the corporate articles are often inaccurate.... -thanks for correcting that so quickly! I hope I haven't hurt any feelings in the company.
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Hi everyone. As I believe we will have a lot of problems with livescores and live updating I thought I should bring it up here so everyone knows about it. Based on Wikipedia policies and guidlines we should not provide livescores and live updates. This is according to WP:LIVESCORES and WT:FOOTY consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live scoring and it has also been discussed at other time periods. This also applies to live updates to tables and list such as top goalscorers, squad statistics and other match info, which you can also read about at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live updates (again). Please wait until matches are finished before adding the scores and statistics. Wikipedia is not for livescoring and should wait for update until sources are updated. I intend to fight against livescores/live updating and I am hoping for everyones help (at 2013–14 Champions League it worked fairly well. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 22:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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Walter Görlitz:, @
97rob:, @
Busy Moose: (I ping everyone in this discussion): I have now created {{
Livescores editnotice}} and updated {{
Livescores editnotice/sandbox}}, with difference to current version is to be seen at {{
Livescores editnotice/testcases}}. The changes was made after input from a user at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Live_scores.2C_the_next_step.3F, please join discussion there and voice your opinions. As I said please comment, I would like to have it finished to the matches on thursday.
QED237
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12:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
A reguest has been made at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup so lets see what happens. QED237 (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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This factoid has been added and removed from the lead. I'm not sure it's relevant in the lead. It is probably relevant (meaning the sources are talking about this) for the body. This hasn't gained a lot of traction from the sources I'm familiar with to be in the lead. To compare , the sources have made a BIG deal about no European team having won in South America. To me, that is lead worthy. Thoughts? Two kinds of pork ( talk) 02:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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There appears to be a dispute about whether to include the Officiating subsection in the Controversies section of this article. I think it should be included here since there are a few serious controversies. Also, now that a Russian laser incident subsection has been added, I'm wondering: what information can we document here? I don't want this article to be filled of controversy information since we have a separate article for just that. Hey mid ( contribs) 08:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
So trying to talk nicely didn't seem to go anywhere. Could people who care about this issue express and justify their opinions? There has been a notable subsection at in the controversy section on refereeing, which has been trimmed down by various editors to leave behind only the two most contentious issues where enough criticism existed such as FIFA themselves issued statements. Then there is a seemingly inexperienced editor UNILATERALLY removing that section without prior discussion with teh argument that the subarticle discusses those issues. Am I missing anything? Nergaal ( talk) 19:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Nergaal ( talk) 21:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
In any case, as it stands now, this topic is currently missing from the main page. I'm not saying it necessarily needs the entire subsection, but it needs at least a mention.
A compromise could be to write a short introduction for the Controversies section, mentioning officiating incidents (in general), with another explicit link to the separate article. That said, I personally would not be against the subsection as it was, because it's hard to find 'the most important officiating controversies' in the separate article since that one is not listed by category, but by match. In that sense, this subsection contains different information because of how it's structured. But anyway, if not this, let's at least have that introduction. Sygmoral ( talk) 02:48, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Should there be some sort of comment about what this means and what the status of this table is? Is the Post-tournament team ranking an official FIFA thing? Can Ecuador officially say that they came 17th in the World Cup, or is this just the way that they're being described for the purposes of this table? And what will be the deciding tie-breaker for teams ranked between 9th and 16th if (as seems likely) multiple teams are knocked out with the same scoreline? 83.244.128.162 ( talk) 10:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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May I be allowed to edit the scores, I will help with doing everything as quickly on time but correctly . Thank You . OliwierEOB ( talk) 18:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Someone forgot to highlight Uruguay as one of the countries that have passed to the Round of 16 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup#mediaviewer/File:2014_world_cup.png
-- 162.206.81.119 ( talk) 22:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Suarez no longer needs the small [b] reference next to his name due to being out of the tournament, as his team is out of the tournament anyway. KarstenO ( talk) 22:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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As you can see in the section above, #Officiating_subsection_in_Controversies, there is an editor that continues to remove a section of issues with referees. There seem to be me and two other users who agree that the section should exist in some form. Nergaal ( talk) 13:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Yesterday, I noticed that this article was using a customized current events template that stated the current round and thedates of the round and the dates the FIFA Wold Cup would take place on. I changed it to {{ current sport}} as this is precisely the situation this template was made for and I didn't a current events template (or at least one meant as a disclaimer at the top) needs to display dates or the current stage. I was reverted a few hours later by Zzyzx11 ( talk · contribs) who pointed out this discussion that he claimed was a consensus and claims the templates guidelines for current sport doesn't allow use here. I disagree. This, as I said, is the exact type of event this template exists for, not to mention, I don't think four participants in a consensus making discussion can establish a consensus anyway. Also, to create a specialized template for the event 1) gives undue weight to the event, and 2) is a form of POV pushing as it says this event is so special, it gets its own templates made for it. In short, if {{ Current sport}} is good enough for the Olympics or any other sports' championship tournament, then its good enough for the FIFA World Cup. CRRays Head90 | #RaysUp 18:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Why were the minutes and names of those who scored during the group stage removed? Why just the scores?
But this is an encyclopedia. Adding a few names and numbers is hardly information overload.
Thanks. But I still think this information would be easier to find if you could just scroll down the world cup page instead of having to look up each group separately. The article has the names and minutes for the knockout stage. Why not the group stage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabuking ( talk • contribs)
Can we please have a note in Huntelaar's goal explaining that Robben dived thrice? Himself admitted it: http://www.goal.com/en/news/3790/world-cup-2014/2014/06/29/4923943/robben-apologises-for-diving-against-mexico . As fouled as he could have been, he deserved something for that many dirty tricks. These three goals were a statistic, but the non-standard conditions for the last one are not to be overlooked. 189.138.234.238 ( talk) 23:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
There really should be a section. Not only was there obvious video evidence of the green laser being shined onto the goal keeper's face, but the algerian football federation itself was fined for it. i could only imagine if England had been sent home after their players had been lasered in the face how this article would read. Whatzinaname ( talk) 03:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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In the 2014 FIFA World Cup, Neymar recently scored a goal against Chile in the penalty shootout. Because I'm not autoconfirmed yet, I can't edit it. So can someone edit the statistics and the top scorers section in the table on the right? Thanks!
It should be like this:
5 goals: • (Brazilian flag) Neymar (with the link)
And
Top scorer(s): (Brazilian flag) Neymar (with the link)
Ev3commander (
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Something about James Rodríguez: The person editing the top scorers forgot to also update the statistics: 5 goals: • (Colombian flag) [ James Rodríguez] Ev3commander ( talk) 21:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
The first cooling break listed is wrong. It was during the USA and Portugal game. I don't remember what the temperature or the humidity was, but I've watched pretty much every game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crimexturtle ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Fation.shusha1897 ( talk) 00:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Is that table of the teams sorted by group RIGHT before listing the groups really necessary? Seems completely redundant to me. 75.130.93.81 ( talk) 14:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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139.228.237.53 ( talk) 07:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Round of 16 section, the statement "For the first time since the 32-team format was introduced, all the group winners qualified through the round of 16" could be replaced by "It is for the first time since 1966 that all the group winners progressed the subsequent stage." This could have been possible in all world cups since then but the 1982 one (which had 6 initial groups and only 4 teams to advance the 2nd group stage).
Here are the stats:
References
Hi, the sentence "For the first time since the 32-team format was introduced, all the group winners qualified through the round of 16" is hard to understand. Qualified for what? And what does "through" mean? I think it may be trying to say that all group winners progressed to the quarter-finals? If so, just say that. 86.179.3.254 ( talk) 17:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we should mention Luis Suárez here or is it about only the players from teams still 'active' in the World Cup?— Khabboos ( talk) 16:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
The Group stage section, which is using a transclusion has issues:
May I suggest we remove the transclusion and use a traditional parent/child article system? Soerfm ( talk) 21:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The information we have on the page says that the first cooling break was in the Group Stage match USA vs Portugal, however FIFA and other news outlets say that the first cooling break was in the Round of 16 match Netherlands vs Mexico. https://twitter.com/FIFAWorldCup/status/483287726973014017 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/brazil2014/post-game/fifa-world-cup-netherlands-2-mexico-1-1.2691278 Do we change this? MarkFizz ( talk) 17:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
the following sentence to the controversy section "The month of Ramadan partially coincided with the world cup and there has been speculation on how this would affect players; http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ramadan-fasting-affect-world-cup-players/story?id=24380986. 80.43.226.127 ( talk) 17:38, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Since many media outlets, sports comentators and other specialists are already calling this World cup as a success even before it has ended, and the "best world cup ever" due to many factors, we need to add a few other headers to this article. Here a a few examples:
Reception (Critical response, etc) Analysis (Critical re-evaluation) Legacy (In popular culture; Recognition ... etc)
We also need to elaborate a little further on how much money this event is directly or indirectly generating ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.66.10 ( talk) 17:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Why are the quarterfinals that start earlier on the day given a higher match number? Why does Match 58 start before Match 57 and Match 60 start before 59? Sivakosaran ( talk) 04:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
How long do we wait, as there was no official caution or dismissal?: [10], [11], [12] Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Must get a mention. Suarez cheating (I know that is not ‘encyclopaedic’) will be, shamefully, one of the talking points of the whole games. 194.66.253.12 ( talk) 06:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Sentence reads "All world champion teams since the first World Cup in 1930 – Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Uruguay – qualified for this competition." With the exception of Spain, who won it in 2010, and so therefore cannot be counted, all World champion teams, which are Argentina, Brazil, England, France, Germany, Italy & Uruguay, all qualified for the competition in 2010. So why is Brazil 2014 the first time this has happened since 1930, when the same happened in 2010? 198.91.189.23 ( talk) 17:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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Miolasa ( talk) 13:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC) I want to get live updates of footbll in wikipedia
The Brazil players in the goalscorers list should still be shown in bold font. They are "still in active competition": they can't win the Cup but they still have one more match to play, which is an opportunity to add to their goal tally. Ordinary Person ( talk) 02:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we should be using {{
Fb cl3 team}} template with |no-extras=yes
instead of normal tables for these, like is used in articles like
2013 Africa Cup of Nations. Seems to me like a much less tedious method than doesn't allow any room for statistical errors, although the Group column will have been removed in the process.
Davykamanzi →
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contribs •
alter ego
17:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
In the goalscorers edition, it says that players rendered in bold are still active in the competition. How do we determine that? Do we take into account suspensions and injuries (like the one Neymar suffered) as well? AhBengI ( talk) 10:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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Netherlands vs. Argentina score 0-0 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:48, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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remove Match 62 on and replace with 0-0 on Argentina vs. Netherlands 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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remove Match 62 on and replace with 0-0 on Argentina vs. Netherlands 108.20.74.207 ( talk) 22:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)ESPN.com
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Please add in the opening, after "The title holders, Spain, were eliminated at the group stage after losses in the first two matches. ", the line "The hosts were eliminated in the semi-finals, after a shock 7-1 defeat to Germany." MarkBM ( talk) 04:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Now that the Estádio do Maracanã article has been renamed Maracanã Stadium, should we change all instances of this stadium to "Maracanã Stadium" in all 2014 World Cup articles? Also, should we change "Estádio Castelão" to just " Castelão"? There might be other stadiums too, but I'm wondering whether we should use the stadiums' article names or their official names. Hey mid ( contribs) 14:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Under Section 8 "Statistics" subcategory 8.4 Tournament team rankings, Costa Rica is listed in the 8th position of the Final Rankings below the subtitle "Eliminated in the quarter-finals" with 5 games played: 2 wins, 3 draws, 0 losses. These statistics are incorrect as Costa Rica truly has 3 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss.
My suspicion is that there is a problem with the algorithm that automatically calculates the wins, losses and draws in the "Tournament team ranking" table. Namely, a knockout stage game that results in a penalty shoot-out (PSO or pen.) is tallied as a draw because the algorithm is using the tied final score after extra time (aet) rather than determining a win based on the larger number of successful penalty kicks by a given team.
Furthermore, Chile -- with a final ranking of 9 -- is listed at 2 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss when, in fact, they never drew and lost twice this tournament to both the Netherlands in Group Stage and Brazil in the Round of 16.
Given these similar errors, I believe my suspicion of the bug in the algorithm is responsible for the error, specifically PSO games being counted as draws.
Upon further review of the
2010 FIFA World Cup page -- a different Wikipedia article altogether -- below section 11.5
Post-tournament team ranking, Japan is also listed in the 9th position with 1 draw when they never drew; rather, they lost for the second time against Paraguay in the Round of 16. It appears the same is true of the statistical errors for Paraguay, Uruguay, and Ghana; along with Japan, the four teams who participated in PSOs throughout the the Knoukout Stage of the 2010 World Cup.
Moreover, in the 2006 FIFA World Cup page, -- perhaps the most egregious statistical error so far -- France is listed as attaining 0 losses when, in fact, they lost to Italy in the final.
After inspecting other FIFA World Cup articles, the same or similar errors can be found in "Final Standings" tables of most all World Cups dating back to 1934 when Italy and Spain played a rematch after drawing 1-1 in the Quarter-finals; in this case, the games played (P) column is also incorrect. Interestingly, the inaugural 1930 World Cup contained not a single draw, match with extra time, nor penalty shoot-out.
Ok, so this rabbit hole goes even deeper! After checking the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup statistics page, the same error appears for Spain in the Overall Statistics Table; Spain is listed as having drawn once in five games played, when, in fact, they won 4 times and lost to Brazil in the final -- the error derived from the PSO against Italy in the semi-final match after ending 0-0 after extra time.
My guess is that this algorithm is ubiquitous and rampant for most all statistical tables of football/soccer tournaments in the Wikipedia archives. It will have to be corrected for all articles beyond FIFA World Cup and Confederations Cup pages.
So noticing one small statistical error turned out to be just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, this won't be too painstaking to fix :)
Best,
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Costa Rica has a different rank now, loses a game and shot 12 goals. Wikuniade ( talk) 14:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I noted the list of assist leaders is not complete. The source referenced only provides the ranking of number of assists for only those who have scored at least once. Philipp lahm has 2 assists. Cobx9 ( talk) 01:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC) —
I think we should remove the beige color from the background of the fourth ranked team in the 'Tournament team rankings' table .. after all the fourth placed team won't receive a medal to get a background color like the other three awarded teams.-- AhMeD BoSS ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
in the graphic / table some games are annotated with "aet" the abbreviation is explained as "overtime" a phrase related to the workplace it should correctly be called "extra-time" or "added extra-time" "aet" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.194.140 ( talk) 01:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
"Only three top-25 ranked teams did not qualify for the tournament: Ukraine (16), Denmark (23) and Slovenia (25)." Why list only from the top 25? Why not the top 32 as there are 32 teams in the tournament? Sophie means wisdom ( talk) 10:14, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
This article is biased. It is concentrating only on negative stuff, despite worldwide recognition of this world cup as a stupendous success in every way, and mostly due to the hosts Brazil. So tone down the negative stuff and include all the positive stuff as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.64.120 ( talk) 23:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
The "next day scenarios" are not to be inluded after consensus at WP:FOOTY. The consensus can be read at WT:FOOTY Archieve 82 (link to section) and the consensus was confirmed afterwards at WP:ANI after a editor still continued with the edit, which can bee seen at WP:ANI archieve 821 (link to section). The insertion of these scenarios has also been at Dispute resolution noticeboard where it was decided "Resolved against inclusion of the material" which you can read at DRN archieve 54 (link to section). So as I said no "next day scenarios" unless new consensus at WT:FOOTY. Older discussions like this discussion follow the same line. QED237 (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we agree on reducing the Statistics-section, maybe just:...
Most goals : 6 by
James Rodríguez (Goals scored from penalty shoot-outs are not counted.)
Most assists: 4 by
Juan Guillermo Cuadrado and
Toni Kroos
The most notable disciplinary case was that of Uruguayan striker Luis Suárez, who was suspended for nine international matches and banned from taking part in any football-related activity (including entering any stadium) for four months, following a biting incident on Italian defender Giorgio Chiellini. He was also fined CHF100,000.
The following awards were given at the conclusion of the tournament:
Award | Winner |
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Golden Ball | |
Golden Boot |
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Golden Glove | |
Best Young Player | |
FIFA Fair Play Trophy |
The total prize money on offer for the tournament was confirmed by FIFA as US$576 million (including payments of US$70 million to domestic clubs), a 37 percent increase from the amount allocated in the 2010 tournament. Before the tournament, each of the 32 entrants will receive US$1.5 million for preparation costs. Once at the tournament, the prize money will be distributed as follows:
Note: As per statistical convention in football, matches decided in extra time are counted as wins and losses, while matches decided by penalty shoot-outs are counted as draws.
Champion Runner-up | Third place Fourth place | Quarter-finals Round of 16 | Group stage |
Pos. | Team | G | Pld | W | D | L | Pts | GF | GA | GD |
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G | 7 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 19 | 18 | 4 | +14 |
2 | ![]() |
F | 7 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 16 | 8 | 4 | +4 |
3 | ![]() |
B | 7 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 17 | 15 | 4 | +11 |
4 | ![]() |
A | 7 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 11 | 11 | 14 | −3 |
Eliminated in the quarter-finals | ||||||||||
5 | ![]() |
C | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 12 | 4 | +8 |
6 | ![]() |
H | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 6 | 3 | +3 |
7 | ![]() |
E | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 10 | 3 | +7 |
8 | ![]() |
D | 5 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 9 | 5 | 2 | +3 |
Eliminated in the round of 16 | ||||||||||
9 | ![]() |
B | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 4 | +2 |
10 | ![]() |
A | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 5 | 3 | +2 |
11 | ![]() |
E | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 0 |
12 | ![]() |
D | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 6 | −2 |
13 | ![]() |
C | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 5 | −2 |
14 | ![]() |
H | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 7 | 7 | 0 |
15 | ![]() |
G | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 6 | −1 |
16 | ![]() |
F | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 5 | −2 |
Eliminated in the group stage | ||||||||||
17 | ![]() |
E | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
18 | ![]() |
G | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 7 | −3 |
19 | ![]() |
A | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 0 |
20 | ![]() |
F | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 0 |
21 | ![]() |
C | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | −1 |
22 | ![]() |
D | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | −1 |
23 | ![]() |
B | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 7 | −3 |
24 | ![]() |
H | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | −1 |
25 | ![]() |
G | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 6 | −2 |
26 | ![]() |
D | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 4 | −2 |
27 | ![]() |
H | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6 | −3 |
28 | ![]() |
F | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | −3 |
29 | ![]() |
C | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 6 | −4 |
30 | ![]() |
B | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 9 | −6 |
31 | ![]() |
E | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 8 | −7 |
32 | ![]() |
A | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 9 | −8 |
Soerfm ( talk) 11:44, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
The Technical Study Group and All Star Team subsection can have it's own section. We can take the Group out of the tournament team rankings table. We can either take the points out the table or replace it place it with winning percentage. Kingjeff ( talk) 06:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
(Could you show it here? Soerfm ( talk) 10:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC))
I tend to see the mentioning of Forward Sports as promotion. It would IMO be appropriate to mentioning it in the article about the ball but I fail to see how they contributed to innovation. Soerfm ( talk) 15:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There is an obvious incorrectness in the "Assists" section of the article as it does not display the assists made by all of the players in the tournament, but rather only shows the assists made by players who also happen to be goalscorers. It should either be removed (it being incorrect) or it should be replaced with correct and sadly unofficial statistics, as FIFA's committee of experts did not make (as far as I know) a proper stats for this category. 83.131.255.213 ( talk) 12:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Consensus is not to update results during matches and not to update final standings before tournament is over even if such information is published by FIFA before that time. Soerfm ( talk) 13:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
--Note to whoever edits this- the Netherlands is not champion, Germany is. See the box to the right with the flags. This is why you shouldn't limit editing to people within the corporation, Wikipedia! Sorry, but the corporate articles are often inaccurate.... -thanks for correcting that so quickly! I hope I haven't hurt any feelings in the company.
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Hi everyone. As I believe we will have a lot of problems with livescores and live updating I thought I should bring it up here so everyone knows about it. Based on Wikipedia policies and guidlines we should not provide livescores and live updates. This is according to WP:LIVESCORES and WT:FOOTY consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live scoring and it has also been discussed at other time periods. This also applies to live updates to tables and list such as top goalscorers, squad statistics and other match info, which you can also read about at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live updates (again). Please wait until matches are finished before adding the scores and statistics. Wikipedia is not for livescoring and should wait for update until sources are updated. I intend to fight against livescores/live updating and I am hoping for everyones help (at 2013–14 Champions League it worked fairly well. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 22:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
@
Walter Görlitz:, @
97rob:, @
Busy Moose: (I ping everyone in this discussion): I have now created {{
Livescores editnotice}} and updated {{
Livescores editnotice/sandbox}}, with difference to current version is to be seen at {{
Livescores editnotice/testcases}}. The changes was made after input from a user at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Live_scores.2C_the_next_step.3F, please join discussion there and voice your opinions. As I said please comment, I would like to have it finished to the matches on thursday.
QED237
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A reguest has been made at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/2014 FIFA World Cup so lets see what happens. QED237 (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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This factoid has been added and removed from the lead. I'm not sure it's relevant in the lead. It is probably relevant (meaning the sources are talking about this) for the body. This hasn't gained a lot of traction from the sources I'm familiar with to be in the lead. To compare , the sources have made a BIG deal about no European team having won in South America. To me, that is lead worthy. Thoughts? Two kinds of pork ( talk) 02:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)