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Dudes, how is this wikipedia worthy?? It's a news item, not an article that should be featured on wikipedia. Maybe as a small subsection in 'Monarchy of the Netherlands', but jeez... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.108.86 ( talk) 17:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
-- TardisShell ( talk) 20:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
... Dudes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.204.114 ( talk) 15:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this a specific crime in Dutch Law? Ricardo Monteiro ( talk) 21:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
As far as I can tell "Royal family" appears to be the correct English/American capitalization. Is that correct? The article currently carries different versions. Yintaɳ 09:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Related: Should it be 2009 attack on the Dutch Royal Family? – Howard the Duck 15:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
One thing (speaking from my own curiosity) that I'd like to see brought out in this article is just how much in danger is the Dutch Royal family in danger from attacks like these? In other words, what is the general Dutch public opinion towards their Royal family? My impression is, as an outsider, that like practically every European country, in the Netherlands their Royals are widely viewed favorably if not treasured. (Well, at least those members who stay out of politics & controversy.) Even anti-monarchical groups simply want to remove them & replace the crown with a republican form of government -- not kill them off. So unless there is a dark underside to the Dutch psyche that is kept hidden from the rest of the world, is it safe to conclude that this is widely seen as the act of someone with personal or mental troubles? -- llywrch ( talk) 15:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Not that I'm implying that race has anything to do with it, but I'm sure most Dutch are wondering his ethnicity. "Dutch national" is meaningless.
Does anyone have any information on his ethnic background? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.194.221 ( talk) 16:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I just suggested some background info because it would improve the article. Whether you like it or not, race and ethnicity is significant to most of the readers. If he's white, then the article should say he's white if you want to dispel any rumors about him being an immigrant. Why not include the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.194.221 ( talk) 01:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Has a list of names of the victims been released yet? I admit this has nothing to do with the article, but I have friends I cant reach who live in that town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.223.108 ( talk) 17:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It was noted by Umberto Tan that there was no airbag in the car, which corroborates that he did not care about his own survival. Maybe worth mentioning at some point. Unfortunately I don't know if there's a text source, but it was mentioned on RTL Boulevard. 195.241.69.171 ( talk) 19:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
My opinion is that the speech in Dutch should be quoted as these were the Queen's actual words, followed by the English translation thereof for the benefit of non-Dutch speaking readers. I appreciate that this goes against WP:USEENGLISH but feel that WP:IAR overrides in this case. As this may be controversial I'd like to see what the consensus is rather than being bold and adding it. Mjroots ( talk) 20:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Will there be a part on the future of Queensday as a national holyday in the Netherlands and the overall impact on Dutch society? It is a very hot topic as of now since it is a very well celebrated holyday in which the entire country anually participates in with much pleasure. 86.89.146.118 ( talk) 21:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Standard Wikipedia guidelines state that the subject of the article should be in bold. Like in the article on Queen Beatrix:
Beatrix (Beatrix Wilhelmina Armgard; born 31 January 1938) has been the Queen regnant of the Kingdom of the Netherlands since 30 April 1980, when her mother, Queen Juliana, abdicated.
Right now, the article lacks such a bold intro. Perhaps a rephrasing is in place, right now it doesn't work. -- Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 09:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
First attack in modern times is rather vague. When was the last attack? Willem the Silent, of course, but have there been any more recent? Rmhermen ( talk) 15:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe because you did not give a "source" (where did you get the information from?)... If you add a source to your statement it can stay. 86.89.146.118 ( talk) 11:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
How can this guy possibly have hoped to kill, or have a good chance of injuring, the royal family by driving his car into a open topped bus with the royal family on the top deck? Are the authorities sure the royal family was the target, rather than the crowd? Blue Dollars ( talk) 13:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunatly we'll never truly find out because he died of his injuries. Jarkeld ( talk) 13:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states that there were no explosives in the car. However, the article mentions nothing about whether or not he had any weapons on him or in the car. It is a relevant point: if no weapons were found, the article should state that. Best name ( talk) 23:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Could the car driven by Karst Tates possibly have been a Toyota Prius? Shawn99999 ( talk) 22:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
2009 attack on the Dutch royal family →
2009 attack on the Dutch Royal Family — Royal Family is spelt with capitals preceding. See
British Royal Family,
Norwegian Royal Family,
Swedish Royal Family. It is generally spelt without caps to refer to "a royal family" but with caps to refer to "the [x] Royal Family".
SpeakFree (
talk) 17:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I've moved this page back to the original capitalisation. The RM discussion above referenced British Royal Family, Norwegian Royal Family and Swedish Royal Family however these are now all redirects to 'X royal family'. If anyone objects to this, I don't feel particularly strongly about it, but it would be good if we could leave it here until the end of April 30, 2017 as it is referred to on the main page using the low-case version. GoldenRing ( talk) 02:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
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This old revision of the article shows it was originally in British English. Per WP:RETAIN, it should still be. -- MarchOrDie ( talk) 09:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I think there should be a warning at the start of the article. That photo is very explicit and could offend people. -- 190.215.230.204 ( talk) 15:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
After this attack there was a wave of vandalism directed at black Suzuki Swift cars in the Netherlands (the type used by the perpetrator). "Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?" By Frans de Waal (middle of Chapter 6: Social Skills) Historian932 ( talk) 01:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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Dudes, how is this wikipedia worthy?? It's a news item, not an article that should be featured on wikipedia. Maybe as a small subsection in 'Monarchy of the Netherlands', but jeez... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.108.86 ( talk) 17:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
-- TardisShell ( talk) 20:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
... Dudes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.204.114 ( talk) 15:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this a specific crime in Dutch Law? Ricardo Monteiro ( talk) 21:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
As far as I can tell "Royal family" appears to be the correct English/American capitalization. Is that correct? The article currently carries different versions. Yintaɳ 09:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Related: Should it be 2009 attack on the Dutch Royal Family? – Howard the Duck 15:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
One thing (speaking from my own curiosity) that I'd like to see brought out in this article is just how much in danger is the Dutch Royal family in danger from attacks like these? In other words, what is the general Dutch public opinion towards their Royal family? My impression is, as an outsider, that like practically every European country, in the Netherlands their Royals are widely viewed favorably if not treasured. (Well, at least those members who stay out of politics & controversy.) Even anti-monarchical groups simply want to remove them & replace the crown with a republican form of government -- not kill them off. So unless there is a dark underside to the Dutch psyche that is kept hidden from the rest of the world, is it safe to conclude that this is widely seen as the act of someone with personal or mental troubles? -- llywrch ( talk) 15:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Not that I'm implying that race has anything to do with it, but I'm sure most Dutch are wondering his ethnicity. "Dutch national" is meaningless.
Does anyone have any information on his ethnic background? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.194.221 ( talk) 16:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I just suggested some background info because it would improve the article. Whether you like it or not, race and ethnicity is significant to most of the readers. If he's white, then the article should say he's white if you want to dispel any rumors about him being an immigrant. Why not include the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.194.221 ( talk) 01:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Has a list of names of the victims been released yet? I admit this has nothing to do with the article, but I have friends I cant reach who live in that town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.223.108 ( talk) 17:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It was noted by Umberto Tan that there was no airbag in the car, which corroborates that he did not care about his own survival. Maybe worth mentioning at some point. Unfortunately I don't know if there's a text source, but it was mentioned on RTL Boulevard. 195.241.69.171 ( talk) 19:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
My opinion is that the speech in Dutch should be quoted as these were the Queen's actual words, followed by the English translation thereof for the benefit of non-Dutch speaking readers. I appreciate that this goes against WP:USEENGLISH but feel that WP:IAR overrides in this case. As this may be controversial I'd like to see what the consensus is rather than being bold and adding it. Mjroots ( talk) 20:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Will there be a part on the future of Queensday as a national holyday in the Netherlands and the overall impact on Dutch society? It is a very hot topic as of now since it is a very well celebrated holyday in which the entire country anually participates in with much pleasure. 86.89.146.118 ( talk) 21:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Standard Wikipedia guidelines state that the subject of the article should be in bold. Like in the article on Queen Beatrix:
Beatrix (Beatrix Wilhelmina Armgard; born 31 January 1938) has been the Queen regnant of the Kingdom of the Netherlands since 30 April 1980, when her mother, Queen Juliana, abdicated.
Right now, the article lacks such a bold intro. Perhaps a rephrasing is in place, right now it doesn't work. -- Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 09:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
First attack in modern times is rather vague. When was the last attack? Willem the Silent, of course, but have there been any more recent? Rmhermen ( talk) 15:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe because you did not give a "source" (where did you get the information from?)... If you add a source to your statement it can stay. 86.89.146.118 ( talk) 11:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
How can this guy possibly have hoped to kill, or have a good chance of injuring, the royal family by driving his car into a open topped bus with the royal family on the top deck? Are the authorities sure the royal family was the target, rather than the crowd? Blue Dollars ( talk) 13:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunatly we'll never truly find out because he died of his injuries. Jarkeld ( talk) 13:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states that there were no explosives in the car. However, the article mentions nothing about whether or not he had any weapons on him or in the car. It is a relevant point: if no weapons were found, the article should state that. Best name ( talk) 23:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Could the car driven by Karst Tates possibly have been a Toyota Prius? Shawn99999 ( talk) 22:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
2009 attack on the Dutch royal family →
2009 attack on the Dutch Royal Family — Royal Family is spelt with capitals preceding. See
British Royal Family,
Norwegian Royal Family,
Swedish Royal Family. It is generally spelt without caps to refer to "a royal family" but with caps to refer to "the [x] Royal Family".
SpeakFree (
talk) 17:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I've moved this page back to the original capitalisation. The RM discussion above referenced British Royal Family, Norwegian Royal Family and Swedish Royal Family however these are now all redirects to 'X royal family'. If anyone objects to this, I don't feel particularly strongly about it, but it would be good if we could leave it here until the end of April 30, 2017 as it is referred to on the main page using the low-case version. GoldenRing ( talk) 02:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
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This old revision of the article shows it was originally in British English. Per WP:RETAIN, it should still be. -- MarchOrDie ( talk) 09:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I think there should be a warning at the start of the article. That photo is very explicit and could offend people. -- 190.215.230.204 ( talk) 15:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
After this attack there was a wave of vandalism directed at black Suzuki Swift cars in the Netherlands (the type used by the perpetrator). "Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?" By Frans de Waal (middle of Chapter 6: Social Skills) Historian932 ( talk) 01:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)