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I strongly suggest removing all the opinion polls due to their innacuracy, partisanship and extremely large diferences between them. I also have to underline that many notable Romanian press agencies decided not to publish them anymore for the same reasons. -- Eurocopter ( talk) 19:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-6407228-hotnews-nu-mai-publica-sondaje-opinie-subiect-politic-durata-campaniei-electorale.htm (in english, via google translate http://www.translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hotnews.ro%2Fstiri-politic-6407228-hotnews-nu-mai-publica-sondaje-opinie-subiect-politic-durata-campaniei-electorale.htm&sl=auto&tl=en ) ArnoldPlaton ( talk) 18:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Partial exit polls (12:00 EET) to be added to article -
http://www.catavencu.ro/primele_i_exit_poll_i_uri-11320.html -
ArnoldPlaton (
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These are official results of exit polls [ [1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahetin ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The map does not indicate overseas voters, which may be significant in number. Elekhh ( talk) 19:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I read earlier this autumn that Basescu sabotaged the formation of a new government that was agreed on by a nearly 70 % parliamentary majority in order to keep Emil Boc from his own party in power until the election in order to influence its outcome. As the two opposition candidates received well over 50 % of the votes in the first round and Basescu only 30 %, it seems extremely unlikely that Basescu would "win" the second round. This reminds me quite a bit about the Zimbabwean presidential election, 2008. Are there any more recent indications that the elections were rigged, in addition to opposition politicians warning of that possibility earlier? I think we should address this in the article. This doesn't seem like a democratic election. Jackjoboto ( talk) 08:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
"Geoana's Social Democrats refused to concede defeat, saying that they would challenge the results in court.
"Starting wtih exit polls, the high number of void ballots, modified voting protocols and massive electoral tourism, all these factors compel us to challenge the results. It is a democratic obligation to the five million Romanians whose vote is about to be defrauded," Liviu Dragnea, Social Democrat secretary general, said on December 7." [3] Jackjoboto ( talk) 14:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
the article talks about possible fraud by the winning side, but it doesn't say anything about the illegalities commited by the media during the election day, where unsourced polls were published illegally before the closing of the voting procedure, and thus may have also lead to biased results? 19:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I think that English-language Romanian-based source is unreliable. Besides the obvious editorial bias in titles, it appears to simply invent or twist statements made by OSCE. It attributes some findings to the OSCE 2nd round report, which are simply not in it or in the official press release or simply contradict those. For instance thediplomat.ro article claims that OSCE found Pro TV to be unbiased, but the OSCE says "The coverage of Pro TV, Antena 1 and Realitatea TV, by contrast, was more biased against the incumbent". Thediplomat.ro article also says that Evenimentul Zilei and Romania libera were unbiased according to OSCE, while claiming that OSCE found Jurnalul National, Cotidianul and Gandul "all gave overwhelmingly negative coverage to Basescu". Partially true and partially false; this is what the report says "Among the newspapers monitored by the OSCE/ODIHR LEOM, Evenimentul Zilei, Gândul and România Liberă were more balanced, while Jurnalul Naţional and Cotidianul were biased against the incumbent". I think the color of the lens of thediplomat.ro is too orange; I'm removing it as a source of this wiki article. Pcap ping 05:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Romanian Opposition Contests Basescu’s Election Win Jackjoboto ( talk) 07:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Geoana demands repeat of presidential elections
"Romanian social democrat leader Mircea Geoana said today (Tuesday) that he is the real winner of the presidential elections and called on the Constitutional Court to rule on the fairness of the polls.
The Romanian Social Democratic Party today submitted their request to annul and repeat the presidential election run-off to the Constitutional Court, saying the election was rigged."
Jackjoboto ( talk) 16:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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I strongly suggest removing all the opinion polls due to their innacuracy, partisanship and extremely large diferences between them. I also have to underline that many notable Romanian press agencies decided not to publish them anymore for the same reasons. -- Eurocopter ( talk) 19:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-6407228-hotnews-nu-mai-publica-sondaje-opinie-subiect-politic-durata-campaniei-electorale.htm (in english, via google translate http://www.translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hotnews.ro%2Fstiri-politic-6407228-hotnews-nu-mai-publica-sondaje-opinie-subiect-politic-durata-campaniei-electorale.htm&sl=auto&tl=en ) ArnoldPlaton ( talk) 18:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Partial exit polls (12:00 EET) to be added to article -
http://www.catavencu.ro/primele_i_exit_poll_i_uri-11320.html -
ArnoldPlaton (
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These are official results of exit polls [ [1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahetin ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The map does not indicate overseas voters, which may be significant in number. Elekhh ( talk) 19:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I read earlier this autumn that Basescu sabotaged the formation of a new government that was agreed on by a nearly 70 % parliamentary majority in order to keep Emil Boc from his own party in power until the election in order to influence its outcome. As the two opposition candidates received well over 50 % of the votes in the first round and Basescu only 30 %, it seems extremely unlikely that Basescu would "win" the second round. This reminds me quite a bit about the Zimbabwean presidential election, 2008. Are there any more recent indications that the elections were rigged, in addition to opposition politicians warning of that possibility earlier? I think we should address this in the article. This doesn't seem like a democratic election. Jackjoboto ( talk) 08:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
"Geoana's Social Democrats refused to concede defeat, saying that they would challenge the results in court.
"Starting wtih exit polls, the high number of void ballots, modified voting protocols and massive electoral tourism, all these factors compel us to challenge the results. It is a democratic obligation to the five million Romanians whose vote is about to be defrauded," Liviu Dragnea, Social Democrat secretary general, said on December 7." [3] Jackjoboto ( talk) 14:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
the article talks about possible fraud by the winning side, but it doesn't say anything about the illegalities commited by the media during the election day, where unsourced polls were published illegally before the closing of the voting procedure, and thus may have also lead to biased results? 19:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I think that English-language Romanian-based source is unreliable. Besides the obvious editorial bias in titles, it appears to simply invent or twist statements made by OSCE. It attributes some findings to the OSCE 2nd round report, which are simply not in it or in the official press release or simply contradict those. For instance thediplomat.ro article claims that OSCE found Pro TV to be unbiased, but the OSCE says "The coverage of Pro TV, Antena 1 and Realitatea TV, by contrast, was more biased against the incumbent". Thediplomat.ro article also says that Evenimentul Zilei and Romania libera were unbiased according to OSCE, while claiming that OSCE found Jurnalul National, Cotidianul and Gandul "all gave overwhelmingly negative coverage to Basescu". Partially true and partially false; this is what the report says "Among the newspapers monitored by the OSCE/ODIHR LEOM, Evenimentul Zilei, Gândul and România Liberă were more balanced, while Jurnalul Naţional and Cotidianul were biased against the incumbent". I think the color of the lens of thediplomat.ro is too orange; I'm removing it as a source of this wiki article. Pcap ping 05:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Romanian Opposition Contests Basescu’s Election Win Jackjoboto ( talk) 07:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Geoana demands repeat of presidential elections
"Romanian social democrat leader Mircea Geoana said today (Tuesday) that he is the real winner of the presidential elections and called on the Constitutional Court to rule on the fairness of the polls.
The Romanian Social Democratic Party today submitted their request to annul and repeat the presidential election run-off to the Constitutional Court, saying the election was rigged."
Jackjoboto ( talk) 16:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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