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Where is the source for 19 dead? Add the source please. -- Vsion 15:05, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
"Jemaah Islamiah, an organation linked to Al-Qaeda"
Should we say exactly what that link is? Ojw 16:50, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Just at the bottom of the page. . . in the "Suspects" section.... there is a line which reads "People from this region deserve death, so it doesn't matter"....
Which is just a TAD disturbing!
Can someone fix this?
EDIT: Someone just did. Thanks :D
Can someone find out which JI member said the above sentence? Sounds like JI propaganda to me, should help alot in affirming the motives of the terrorist group in this action.Thankies.
Is there currently a wikipedia article on the 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta? Andjam 03:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the inclusion of photos of suspects is innappropriate. I think the photos should be withheld until someone claims responsibility. Cnwb 06:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, from the news events covered in the South East Asia region, it seems like the Indonesian government is pointing fingers at JI again. Gammadion 06:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
If there are any administrator editors to this article, could they replace the gorilla image on WP:ITN with one related to the bombings, since it is the lead story. Suggested replacements are either Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even Image:Indonesia flag large.png. My requests on ITN-related pages have gone un-noticed thus far.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
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When I read "The bombings occurred the same day that Indonesia cut its fuel subsidies resulting in gas prices rising by 125%", I thought "Man, they take fuel prices even more seriously than us Aussies do!". But the person who added this had in edit comments "(fuel prices -- one, two punch)", presumably suggesting that the terrorists were hoping that the economic damage of the attack would co-incide with the hardship caused by fuel price rise. Just noting this in case anyone else is wondering over the phrase. Andjam 03:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm the user who added the bit about the fuel price increase. Andjam's reading of the meaning of my edit summary is what I intended. The fuel price subsidy cut has been expected for some time with considerable apprehension among the Balinese (and, presumably, other Indonesians), and it was known that the exact cut in the subsidy would be announced that day — so those behind the bombs knew when the "first punch" was landing. I did not added any of this to the article... thoughts? Also, This was the 40th aniversary (off by about 18 hours, actually early morning hours of Oct 1, 1965) of "The Night of the Generals" — see: History of Indonesia#Civil War. — Davenbelle 03:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
The last external link refers to XXX page! (link to ogrish deleted by Andjam) Wic2020 04:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Was the high proportion of Indonesian deaths relative to other groups most likely due mainly to the relatievly intuitive fact that the largest proportion of diners and other people in the area would most likely be locals, with tourists comprising a relatively small segment of the people in the area at the time? -- Dpr 06:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Some of the tourists were affluent Jakartans. The fish-serving warungs are in all the guide books. — Davenbelle 06:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
"Affluent Jakartans" are usually government people and the view here ( Bali) is that radical Muslims have targeted Indonesia because it is steers a more moderate course. They want to bring down the government and cut-off the tourist money. The Balinese ( Hindus) are caught in the middle. Also, in addition to Ramadan starting, the Balinese holiday of Galungan starts Wednesday Oct 5 and runs for ten days. — Davenbelle 07:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Well if Indonesians, i.e. here being Jakartans/government people, perhaps the target was not haphazard, but was equally or more so aimed at Indonesians than tourists. As far as the theory of "inflicting maximum damage," it seems sound, but do we really have any way of knowing for sure why the bombers detonated their explosives at the exact places that they did? Also, I'm confused too about Andjam's comment--what exactly do you mean? -- Dpr 02:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Some people have been named as being killed by the bombings. Should they be listed somewhere (perhaps on a separate page)? Andjam 10:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
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There are an awful lot of statements from various politicians around the world, and they really don't add much to the article. Wouldn't it be better to summarize? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 26 July 2006.
This article appears to have been ripped more or less straight from this site: http://www.answers.com/topic/2005-bali-bombings Krummy2 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
OK I dont think that it is a problem, many thanks, -- Krummy2 09:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand that nearly 200 people were killed in these bombings, yet the page says only 20 + the 3 murderers. Should the count be updated/corrected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.253.165.30 ( talk) 20:56, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect to its authors, 2005_Bali_bombings#International is not very encyclopedic. Rather, it is a collection of political press releases. I mean, one fully expects that the bombings were condemned by every state dept in the world. That could be said in a sentence , rather than enumerating all of their nearly-identical statements. I nominate this section for deletion, to help get the article up to standard. -- Smilo Don 18:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
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Where is the source for 19 dead? Add the source please. -- Vsion 15:05, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
"Jemaah Islamiah, an organation linked to Al-Qaeda"
Should we say exactly what that link is? Ojw 16:50, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Just at the bottom of the page. . . in the "Suspects" section.... there is a line which reads "People from this region deserve death, so it doesn't matter"....
Which is just a TAD disturbing!
Can someone fix this?
EDIT: Someone just did. Thanks :D
Can someone find out which JI member said the above sentence? Sounds like JI propaganda to me, should help alot in affirming the motives of the terrorist group in this action.Thankies.
Is there currently a wikipedia article on the 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta? Andjam 03:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the inclusion of photos of suspects is innappropriate. I think the photos should be withheld until someone claims responsibility. Cnwb 06:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, from the news events covered in the South East Asia region, it seems like the Indonesian government is pointing fingers at JI again. Gammadion 06:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
If there are any administrator editors to this article, could they replace the gorilla image on WP:ITN with one related to the bombings, since it is the lead story. Suggested replacements are either Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even Image:Indonesia flag large.png. My requests on ITN-related pages have gone un-noticed thus far.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Masaka!?
When I read "The bombings occurred the same day that Indonesia cut its fuel subsidies resulting in gas prices rising by 125%", I thought "Man, they take fuel prices even more seriously than us Aussies do!". But the person who added this had in edit comments "(fuel prices -- one, two punch)", presumably suggesting that the terrorists were hoping that the economic damage of the attack would co-incide with the hardship caused by fuel price rise. Just noting this in case anyone else is wondering over the phrase. Andjam 03:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm the user who added the bit about the fuel price increase. Andjam's reading of the meaning of my edit summary is what I intended. The fuel price subsidy cut has been expected for some time with considerable apprehension among the Balinese (and, presumably, other Indonesians), and it was known that the exact cut in the subsidy would be announced that day — so those behind the bombs knew when the "first punch" was landing. I did not added any of this to the article... thoughts? Also, This was the 40th aniversary (off by about 18 hours, actually early morning hours of Oct 1, 1965) of "The Night of the Generals" — see: History of Indonesia#Civil War. — Davenbelle 03:49, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
The last external link refers to XXX page! (link to ogrish deleted by Andjam) Wic2020 04:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Was the high proportion of Indonesian deaths relative to other groups most likely due mainly to the relatievly intuitive fact that the largest proportion of diners and other people in the area would most likely be locals, with tourists comprising a relatively small segment of the people in the area at the time? -- Dpr 06:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Some of the tourists were affluent Jakartans. The fish-serving warungs are in all the guide books. — Davenbelle 06:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
"Affluent Jakartans" are usually government people and the view here ( Bali) is that radical Muslims have targeted Indonesia because it is steers a more moderate course. They want to bring down the government and cut-off the tourist money. The Balinese ( Hindus) are caught in the middle. Also, in addition to Ramadan starting, the Balinese holiday of Galungan starts Wednesday Oct 5 and runs for ten days. — Davenbelle 07:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Well if Indonesians, i.e. here being Jakartans/government people, perhaps the target was not haphazard, but was equally or more so aimed at Indonesians than tourists. As far as the theory of "inflicting maximum damage," it seems sound, but do we really have any way of knowing for sure why the bombers detonated their explosives at the exact places that they did? Also, I'm confused too about Andjam's comment--what exactly do you mean? -- Dpr 02:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Some people have been named as being killed by the bombings. Should they be listed somewhere (perhaps on a separate page)? Andjam 10:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
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There are an awful lot of statements from various politicians around the world, and they really don't add much to the article. Wouldn't it be better to summarize? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.224.208 ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 26 July 2006.
This article appears to have been ripped more or less straight from this site: http://www.answers.com/topic/2005-bali-bombings Krummy2 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
OK I dont think that it is a problem, many thanks, -- Krummy2 09:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand that nearly 200 people were killed in these bombings, yet the page says only 20 + the 3 murderers. Should the count be updated/corrected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.253.165.30 ( talk) 20:56, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
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