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[Copied from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1947–1948 Rajouri massacre
Many Wikipedia articles are referred to as a "Massacre", even with as few deaths as 10-30 (nowhere close to 30,000 of which many are refugees). Also, the article fits the definition of massacre, exactly like the article 1947 Mirpur Massacre. Below are many reliable sources (note that many of these have not been used in the article 1947 Jammu Massacre, so it is a distinct event) to a Massacre in Rajouri, either using both words in the same sentences (eg. "Massacre of Hindus and Sikhs in Rajouri") or explicitly referring to the event as the "Rajouri Massacre":
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives1999/99february23.html
https://ikashmir.net/pakraid1947/rajouri.html
The term "Rajouri Massacre" used in the title: https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/tearful-homage-martyrs-1947-massacre-rajouri/
Used in the title again: https://www.dailyo.in/politics/pakistan-indian-army-azad-jammu-kashmir-rajouri-massacre-1947-china-pok/story/1/13643.html
https://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/faultlines/volume1/Fault1-Bloeriatext.htm
A Panun Kashmir (organisation of displaced Kashmiri Hindus) and the paper Kashmir Sentinel release which talks about an article in the Indian Express in 1947 which clearly refers to it as the "Rajouri Massacre" (PDF) http://www.panunkashmir.org/kashmirsentinel/pdf/2007/nov2007.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.242704/2015.242704.Socio-economic-Roots_djvu.txt
Feel free to add these links as references to the article. I see no need to remove such an article.
Hindian1947 ( talk) 01:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned about the framing of this article. As far as I can see there's widespread coverage of atrocities committed by Pakistani raiders during their invasion, but coverage of a specific killing of Hindus and Sikhs only, in Rajouri, is harder to come by. Even this source, of which much was made at the AfD, only refers to the killings obliquely, describing the version of the incident in this article as being a "widely held narrative", and it stops short of endorsing that claim. There's clearly some substance to this article, but I'm concerned we're not framing it appropriately. There's also OR concerns: the cited sources did not support the version before my adjustment a few minutes ago. @ Kautilya3 and Hindian1947: as participants in the above discussion. Vanamonde ( Talk) 20:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the reliability of several of the sources used here, including dailyo.in, dailyexcelsior.com, and satp.org. What makes these reliable? Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
"SATP has been set up to counter the progressive distortions regarding, and the international community’s neglect of, the wide range of terrorist movements within South Asia, and particularly in India", which suggests a degree of advocacy to their approach. Bloeria is also a government official, not a scholar. My point is these sources might be okay for filling out detail, but not for framing the article. We need sources with rigorous editorial oversight for that. Vanamonde ( Talk) 20:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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[Copied from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1947–1948 Rajouri massacre
Many Wikipedia articles are referred to as a "Massacre", even with as few deaths as 10-30 (nowhere close to 30,000 of which many are refugees). Also, the article fits the definition of massacre, exactly like the article 1947 Mirpur Massacre. Below are many reliable sources (note that many of these have not been used in the article 1947 Jammu Massacre, so it is a distinct event) to a Massacre in Rajouri, either using both words in the same sentences (eg. "Massacre of Hindus and Sikhs in Rajouri") or explicitly referring to the event as the "Rajouri Massacre":
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives1999/99february23.html
https://ikashmir.net/pakraid1947/rajouri.html
The term "Rajouri Massacre" used in the title: https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/tearful-homage-martyrs-1947-massacre-rajouri/
Used in the title again: https://www.dailyo.in/politics/pakistan-indian-army-azad-jammu-kashmir-rajouri-massacre-1947-china-pok/story/1/13643.html
https://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/faultlines/volume1/Fault1-Bloeriatext.htm
A Panun Kashmir (organisation of displaced Kashmiri Hindus) and the paper Kashmir Sentinel release which talks about an article in the Indian Express in 1947 which clearly refers to it as the "Rajouri Massacre" (PDF) http://www.panunkashmir.org/kashmirsentinel/pdf/2007/nov2007.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.242704/2015.242704.Socio-economic-Roots_djvu.txt
Feel free to add these links as references to the article. I see no need to remove such an article.
Hindian1947 ( talk) 01:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned about the framing of this article. As far as I can see there's widespread coverage of atrocities committed by Pakistani raiders during their invasion, but coverage of a specific killing of Hindus and Sikhs only, in Rajouri, is harder to come by. Even this source, of which much was made at the AfD, only refers to the killings obliquely, describing the version of the incident in this article as being a "widely held narrative", and it stops short of endorsing that claim. There's clearly some substance to this article, but I'm concerned we're not framing it appropriately. There's also OR concerns: the cited sources did not support the version before my adjustment a few minutes ago. @ Kautilya3 and Hindian1947: as participants in the above discussion. Vanamonde ( Talk) 20:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the reliability of several of the sources used here, including dailyo.in, dailyexcelsior.com, and satp.org. What makes these reliable? Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
"SATP has been set up to counter the progressive distortions regarding, and the international community’s neglect of, the wide range of terrorist movements within South Asia, and particularly in India", which suggests a degree of advocacy to their approach. Bloeria is also a government official, not a scholar. My point is these sources might be okay for filling out detail, but not for framing the article. We need sources with rigorous editorial oversight for that. Vanamonde ( Talk) 20:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)