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There should probably be something about Wikipedia as a source of basic LGBT information for those in communities where this information is marginalized, a somewhat unusual example being Abby Stein [1]. Pharos ( talk) 03:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Historyday01 ( talk) 23:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)"My first search was whether a boy could turn into a girl - in Hebrew, I didn't speak English at the time - and on the first or second page of the results, there was the Wikipedia page about transgender people. That was the first time I learned the term and realised there were other people who felt like me."
Do we think there's enough coverage about preferred gender pronouns to warrant a subsection under "Coverage"?
Also, here's another source to consider adding:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to show my ignorance, but where exactly is the Wikipedia policy about using preferred gender pronouns? Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The article says, "Articles about transgender and non-binary individuals are often subject to vandals who edit the article to misgender the subject, despite Wikipedia's guideline that articles should use the gender corresponding with the subject's most recently stated gender."
I assume this guideline is specific to English Wikipedia? Should the text clarify?
Also, are there other LGBT-related policies or guidelines (English Wikipedia or otherwise) worth mentioning? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:40, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the links to hand, but WMF has done a couple of surveys of editors demographics that touch on aspects on LGBT identity, particularly with regard to gender identity. Pharos ( talk) 16:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Can't view the text, but Google suggests mention of WikiProject LGBT studies. Or, any other sources we could use to mention the WikiProject for LGBT studies at English Wikipedia? What about similar projects at other Wikipedias? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The hard work here is done by Wikimedia’s community partners around the world, rather than by [Katherine] Maher’s team directly. She cites the example of Argentina, where Wikimedia’s local affiliates have served as a “powerhouse” for advancing women’s and LGBT rights.
Gianluca participated in the first-ever edition marathon jointly organized by UN Human Rights and Wikimedia, carried out in July in Argentina’s capital city. The subject: women’s and LGBTI people’s rights.
Historyday01 ( talk) 02:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Held at the Diagonal Norte headquarters of the Universidad Nacional de San Martín, the day – known as the “editatón” – focused on content related to women's rights and sexual diversity, with a view not only to creating new content but also to to optimize the existing ones in “the free encyclopedia”.
@ Historyday01 and MyCatIsAChonk: Thoughts on whether or not this entry meets Good article criteria? Do either of you have any interest in nominating, or co-nominating? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Historyday01 and MyCatIsAChonk: Can you confirm when you're done making changes to the article based on the GA review? I'm happy to re-nominate when the time is right. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
{{
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link)Need this one too:
Bluerasberry (talk) 14:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Last one, that I think is worth citing, I can find in academic literature
Bluerasberry (talk) 14:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Wikimedian of the Year says "Temple-Wood had created nearly 400 articles and improved hundreds more, many of which are about women scientists and LGBT and women's health." I can't tell which source confirms "LGBT", but assuming we can verify, should LGBT and Wikipedia mention Emily Temple-Wood's LGBT-related work? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I've added a bit of content about Jess Wade's LGBT-related work. Feel free to trim, edit, expand appropriately. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The Wikimedia community offered a unisex public toilet at Wikimania 2023 in Singapore by converting a single gender toilet with gender neutral signs posted over the permanent installed signage. Local media reported speculation that this toilet might be a trap that sex offenders use to attack restroom visitors. I am one of the Wikimedia LGBT+ organizers. Our defense of the toilet was successful as no one reported harm in using it.
This is a notable milestone in Wikimedia history because it shows that Wikimedia events can introduce conversations about diversity into places which otherwise have had no exposure to the ideas. While this event needs more interpretation, we do have these sources documenting what happened.
Bluerasberry (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
More generalized approach would add more sources and would be more inclusive in naming from the start. I am no fan of sticking to LGBT as the norm since about 15 years, so I hope we can agree to move on. Meanwhile quite a few Wikidata papers have been published recently. Zblace ( talk) 04:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Not sure if it's a usable source for this page, but @ Tamzin and I were interviewed for a WIKIMOVE podcast just published today that covers harassment and related issues facing trans editors. Funcrunch ( talk) 19:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Since I am the specific deadnamed editor referred to in the cited article I will refrain from reverting, but I feel this edit, along with the edit summary rationalizing it, is spurious at best. Funcrunch ( talk) 16:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Queer Identities, Normative Databases: Challenges to Capturing Queerness On Wikidata
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consenus is against the proposed title, no prejudice against alternative suggestions. ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 13:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
LGBT and Wikipedia →
LGBT people and Wikipedia – Grammar: the article is not about the constituent identities in the LGBT acronym, it is about the people who hold those identities. Puts article in line with
LGBT people and Islam,
Chick-fil-A and LGBT people —
FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (
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07:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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Improved to Good Article status by MyCatIsAChonk ( talk), Another Believer ( talk), and Historyday01 ( talk). Nominated by MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) at 13:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/LGBT and Wikipedia; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall:
There is some
overly close paraphrasing of the NYTimes article that I think would benefit from tweaking. It's probably down to my own ignorance but in Alt 1 (which is my preferred) the term suppressive communities confused me and I wonder if oppressive is the better word here? Recently passed GA and nom within 5 days so passes newness requirements. Never been on the main page. Length is good. Once the paraphrasing is dealt with, and some clarification about the ALT 1 hook working, and it will be ready to promote. Looks good. Suggest Alt 1c.
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First, congrats on the Main Page appearance and thanks for submitting a hook nomination. Nice to see the readership spike! There are a lot of banners at the top of this page. Anyone able to apply Template:Article history easily? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 12:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
During the last weeks, there is a strange atmosphere in Wikipedia in French. A poll about the opportunity to mention the deadname of trans people in the introductory part of an article has divided the community.
Many French medias have related the controversy. See for instance, Le Monde ( https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/03/08/sur-wikipedia-la-communaute-francophone-se-dechire-autour-du-deadname-des-personnes-trans_6220937_4408996.html) and Next Inpact ( https://next.ink/131199/la-neutralite-sur-wikipedia-la-question-du-deadname-des-personnes-trans-relance-le-debat/). See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions#Suggestion_by_PAC2_(2024-03-25).
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Did you know?" column on
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Wikipedia editors have organized various campaigns to improve
LGBT coverage on the site? | |||||||||||||
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There should probably be something about Wikipedia as a source of basic LGBT information for those in communities where this information is marginalized, a somewhat unusual example being Abby Stein [1]. Pharos ( talk) 03:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Historyday01 ( talk) 23:09, 25 January 2023 (UTC)"My first search was whether a boy could turn into a girl - in Hebrew, I didn't speak English at the time - and on the first or second page of the results, there was the Wikipedia page about transgender people. That was the first time I learned the term and realised there were other people who felt like me."
Do we think there's enough coverage about preferred gender pronouns to warrant a subsection under "Coverage"?
Also, here's another source to consider adding:
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to show my ignorance, but where exactly is the Wikipedia policy about using preferred gender pronouns? Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The article says, "Articles about transgender and non-binary individuals are often subject to vandals who edit the article to misgender the subject, despite Wikipedia's guideline that articles should use the gender corresponding with the subject's most recently stated gender."
I assume this guideline is specific to English Wikipedia? Should the text clarify?
Also, are there other LGBT-related policies or guidelines (English Wikipedia or otherwise) worth mentioning? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:40, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the links to hand, but WMF has done a couple of surveys of editors demographics that touch on aspects on LGBT identity, particularly with regard to gender identity. Pharos ( talk) 16:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Can't view the text, but Google suggests mention of WikiProject LGBT studies. Or, any other sources we could use to mention the WikiProject for LGBT studies at English Wikipedia? What about similar projects at other Wikipedias? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The hard work here is done by Wikimedia’s community partners around the world, rather than by [Katherine] Maher’s team directly. She cites the example of Argentina, where Wikimedia’s local affiliates have served as a “powerhouse” for advancing women’s and LGBT rights.
Gianluca participated in the first-ever edition marathon jointly organized by UN Human Rights and Wikimedia, carried out in July in Argentina’s capital city. The subject: women’s and LGBTI people’s rights.
Historyday01 ( talk) 02:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Held at the Diagonal Norte headquarters of the Universidad Nacional de San Martín, the day – known as the “editatón” – focused on content related to women's rights and sexual diversity, with a view not only to creating new content but also to to optimize the existing ones in “the free encyclopedia”.
@ Historyday01 and MyCatIsAChonk: Thoughts on whether or not this entry meets Good article criteria? Do either of you have any interest in nominating, or co-nominating? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Historyday01 and MyCatIsAChonk: Can you confirm when you're done making changes to the article based on the GA review? I'm happy to re-nominate when the time is right. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (
link)Need this one too:
Bluerasberry (talk) 14:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Last one, that I think is worth citing, I can find in academic literature
Bluerasberry (talk) 14:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Wikimedian of the Year says "Temple-Wood had created nearly 400 articles and improved hundreds more, many of which are about women scientists and LGBT and women's health." I can't tell which source confirms "LGBT", but assuming we can verify, should LGBT and Wikipedia mention Emily Temple-Wood's LGBT-related work? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I've added a bit of content about Jess Wade's LGBT-related work. Feel free to trim, edit, expand appropriately. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The Wikimedia community offered a unisex public toilet at Wikimania 2023 in Singapore by converting a single gender toilet with gender neutral signs posted over the permanent installed signage. Local media reported speculation that this toilet might be a trap that sex offenders use to attack restroom visitors. I am one of the Wikimedia LGBT+ organizers. Our defense of the toilet was successful as no one reported harm in using it.
This is a notable milestone in Wikimedia history because it shows that Wikimedia events can introduce conversations about diversity into places which otherwise have had no exposure to the ideas. While this event needs more interpretation, we do have these sources documenting what happened.
Bluerasberry (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
More generalized approach would add more sources and would be more inclusive in naming from the start. I am no fan of sticking to LGBT as the norm since about 15 years, so I hope we can agree to move on. Meanwhile quite a few Wikidata papers have been published recently. Zblace ( talk) 04:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Not sure if it's a usable source for this page, but @ Tamzin and I were interviewed for a WIKIMOVE podcast just published today that covers harassment and related issues facing trans editors. Funcrunch ( talk) 19:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Since I am the specific deadnamed editor referred to in the cited article I will refrain from reverting, but I feel this edit, along with the edit summary rationalizing it, is spurious at best. Funcrunch ( talk) 16:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Queer Identities, Normative Databases: Challenges to Capturing Queerness On Wikidata
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consenus is against the proposed title, no prejudice against alternative suggestions. ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 13:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
LGBT and Wikipedia →
LGBT people and Wikipedia – Grammar: the article is not about the constituent identities in the LGBT acronym, it is about the people who hold those identities. Puts article in line with
LGBT people and Islam,
Chick-fil-A and LGBT people —
FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (
talk)
07:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
AirshipJungleman29
talk
17:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by MyCatIsAChonk ( talk), Another Believer ( talk), and Historyday01 ( talk). Nominated by MyCatIsAChonk ( talk) at 13:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/LGBT and Wikipedia; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall:
There is some
overly close paraphrasing of the NYTimes article that I think would benefit from tweaking. It's probably down to my own ignorance but in Alt 1 (which is my preferred) the term suppressive communities confused me and I wonder if oppressive is the better word here? Recently passed GA and nom within 5 days so passes newness requirements. Never been on the main page. Length is good. Once the paraphrasing is dealt with, and some clarification about the ALT 1 hook working, and it will be ready to promote. Looks good. Suggest Alt 1c.
Seddon
talk
23:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
First, congrats on the Main Page appearance and thanks for submitting a hook nomination. Nice to see the readership spike! There are a lot of banners at the top of this page. Anyone able to apply Template:Article history easily? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 12:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
During the last weeks, there is a strange atmosphere in Wikipedia in French. A poll about the opportunity to mention the deadname of trans people in the introductory part of an article has divided the community.
Many French medias have related the controversy. See for instance, Le Monde ( https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/03/08/sur-wikipedia-la-communaute-francophone-se-dechire-autour-du-deadname-des-personnes-trans_6220937_4408996.html) and Next Inpact ( https://next.ink/131199/la-neutralite-sur-wikipedia-la-question-du-deadname-des-personnes-trans-relance-le-debat/). See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions#Suggestion_by_PAC2_(2024-03-25).