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Here are a few key TV shows to feature crossdressing, either featuring performers who crossdressed to play a character of the other gender, or characters who were in plot crossdressing (some of which you can reference here):
Over in the UK, Monty Python's Flying Circus, while they did have a female cast member, relied mainly on the male cast to play women.
There's plenty more to be found. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 15:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
User:JuanGLP, good draft, but there's a a couple of issues: a problem with overlap, and a problem with the current title. The first issue is the existence of Cross-dressing in film and television which you haven't addressed. If your Draft remains viable as a separate article from that one, that might be possible as a child article in summary style of that article's section on § Television section. Note that that article separates cross-dressing and drag in television into two different sections (I'm not here to argue whether that's a good approach or not, just pointing it out). Also, both the § Television section as well as the § Programs that feature drag section feature plenty of television shows that are not drag shows per se, so that article is much broader. Also, both sections are organized as lists, which makes sense to me.
If you can resolve the overlap issue somehow, then there's a problem with the title and either the Draft should be refactored into a List article or renamed as a drag article, imho. Currently, all the blue links in the different sections identify numerous different shows or performers which are all individually notable, but there doesn't seem to be any content that talks about cross-dressing in television itself, like a book, or at least a book chapter, journal article, or other reliable source. With that profile, that is something that could work better as a list article, and it's not coincidental imho that the other article does exactly that.
Another issue with the title comes from the scope: of the content: is the draft about cross-dressing generally, or just about drag? The term cross-dressing never appears anywhere in the body. If you look at the § References section, the word cross-dressing never appears in any of them as a title; i.e., every one of those references is focusing on individual shows, stars, and so on. Possibly you could keep this as a non-list article by changing the title to "Draft:Drag in television", because at least that title corresponds to what the content and references are actually about. If you do that, try to find some new references that in the same source talk about drag in television generally, about its history, when it started, comparing different approaches, different shows, and so on. to establish notability of that topic. Otherwise, if you can't find that, it will definitely work as a list article about drag. If you wanted to keep the current title, then you will have to significantly expand the content because cross-dressing on television is a larger topic, and predates it by over half a century. Whichever approach you choose, you'll have to figure out how to distinguish the draft from Cross-dressing in film and television. I'd seek additional input from other editors to see how they view it. (moved here from WT:LGBT) Mathglot ( talk) 23:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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Here are a few key TV shows to feature crossdressing, either featuring performers who crossdressed to play a character of the other gender, or characters who were in plot crossdressing (some of which you can reference here):
Over in the UK, Monty Python's Flying Circus, while they did have a female cast member, relied mainly on the male cast to play women.
There's plenty more to be found. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 15:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
User:JuanGLP, good draft, but there's a a couple of issues: a problem with overlap, and a problem with the current title. The first issue is the existence of Cross-dressing in film and television which you haven't addressed. If your Draft remains viable as a separate article from that one, that might be possible as a child article in summary style of that article's section on § Television section. Note that that article separates cross-dressing and drag in television into two different sections (I'm not here to argue whether that's a good approach or not, just pointing it out). Also, both the § Television section as well as the § Programs that feature drag section feature plenty of television shows that are not drag shows per se, so that article is much broader. Also, both sections are organized as lists, which makes sense to me.
If you can resolve the overlap issue somehow, then there's a problem with the title and either the Draft should be refactored into a List article or renamed as a drag article, imho. Currently, all the blue links in the different sections identify numerous different shows or performers which are all individually notable, but there doesn't seem to be any content that talks about cross-dressing in television itself, like a book, or at least a book chapter, journal article, or other reliable source. With that profile, that is something that could work better as a list article, and it's not coincidental imho that the other article does exactly that.
Another issue with the title comes from the scope: of the content: is the draft about cross-dressing generally, or just about drag? The term cross-dressing never appears anywhere in the body. If you look at the § References section, the word cross-dressing never appears in any of them as a title; i.e., every one of those references is focusing on individual shows, stars, and so on. Possibly you could keep this as a non-list article by changing the title to "Draft:Drag in television", because at least that title corresponds to what the content and references are actually about. If you do that, try to find some new references that in the same source talk about drag in television generally, about its history, when it started, comparing different approaches, different shows, and so on. to establish notability of that topic. Otherwise, if you can't find that, it will definitely work as a list article about drag. If you wanted to keep the current title, then you will have to significantly expand the content because cross-dressing on television is a larger topic, and predates it by over half a century. Whichever approach you choose, you'll have to figure out how to distinguish the draft from Cross-dressing in film and television. I'd seek additional input from other editors to see how they view it. (moved here from WT:LGBT) Mathglot ( talk) 23:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)