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Submission declined on 9 March 2024 by S0091 ( talk). This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Declined by S0091 49 days ago.

• Comment: In addition to prior comments, the source from citation #6 has been challenged in good faith at Talk:Los Laureles Lodge, and there has yet to be any concrete evidence shown to prove its reliability. The WP:BURDEN to demonstrate reliability is on any editor wishing to submit the draft (further discussion can occur at talk page), or else the material cited to it should be removed, or the draft declined. Left guide ( talk) 02:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Three of the sources are the same publication, Carmel Pine Cone which is a local source and only one has in-depth coverage about Hamlin. The others are not in-depth. S0091 ( talk) 17:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: This figure does not seem to meet WP:N. She is of antiquarian interest to those interested in local genealogy and businesses, and the sourcing reflects that. Llajwa ( talk) 23:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Reviewer note: The draft's talk page also has relevant commentary. Please read it prior to accepting or declining this draft 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 01:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: When researching Mary L. Hamlin, I uncovered her early pioneer contributions for a town that only had its origins in the ealry 1900s. She played a significant role in the town's development and was the founder of two of its existing hotels. There are numerous secondary and primary citations to validae her contributions, with eight of the best included in this article. Notably, Neal Hotelling's source is considered secondary. Others contributors include Sharron Lee Hale, Kent L. Seavey, and Alissandra Dramov. Certainly, an encylopedia should feature some mention of her! greghenderson2006 ( talk) 08:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I think notability is seriously under question. The article is primarily built around the Carmel Pine Cone, a hyper-local weekly tabloid from a township of several thousand where the sale/purchase of individual homes is considered newsworthy. Of Carmel Pine Cone based sourcing, the one that is used ten times is written by Neil Hotelling, and I believe his pieces are columns. Graywalls ( talk) 08:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I removed this sentence Today it is called the Monte Verde Inn, a Mediterranean-style bed and breakfast. and the associated citation, because it was was not backed up by the source. The source had no mention of this new name (no occurrence of the word "Inn" at all) and no mention that it was a Mediterranean Revival style bed and breakfast. Possible original research or personal observation? Netherzone ( talk) 19:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: AFC comments are part of the review history, and should remain in place, intact. Things are expected to have moved on after a comment 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: If this is a biography, what is {{ List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea}} doing at the foot the draft.
  If it is about the buildings, what is the details biography of Hamlin doing in the draft?, and why do they not have an article apiece.
  Potentially there are four drafts here. I suggest you do not submit this draft until you have split it into three buildings and one biog. Four separate drafts.
  I have no idea what a Mediterranean style bed and breakfast is. I am probably ignorant, but so are our readers, and we need to write for that ignorance. 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@ Timtrent:Generally, when something is not sufficiently notable to merit its own article or even if notable, the article is too short, t's common to merge them into an article that can be sustained. For example, a bicycle manufacturer that is just notable enough to have its own article, but its individual products may not justify their own page. Those products that are notable enough would be talked about in the company's article. Please also see Wikipedia:Pokémon test Graywalls ( talk) 07:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Mary LaCount Hamlin [1]
Mary LaCount Hamlin, ca. 1876
Born	Mary E. LaCount September 8, 1856 Auburn, New York, US
Died	12 August 1947(1947-08-12) (aged 90) Carmel-by-the-Sea, California, US
Occupation	Hotelier
Employer	James F. Devendorf
Spouse	William H. Hamlin ​ ​ ( m. 1879; div. 1910)​
Children	2

Mary L. Hamlin (September 8, 1856 – August 11, 1947) was an American hotelier and businesswoman who played a role in the early development of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. She is best known for establishing the Monte Verde Inn and the Sundial Lodge, now known as the L’Auberge Carmel). ^{[2] [3]}

Early life

Hamlin was born as Mary E. LaCount, on September 8, 1856, in Auburn, New York. She was the fourth child out of five born to Peter and Mary LaCount. Her father served in the American Civil War from 1862 through 1865. Her parents separated and Hamlin moved in with her eldest sister, Emma, in Syracuse. Her early years were spent in upstate New York. ^{[2] [1]}

She married William Hamlin in 1879, and together they lived in Syracuse, raising two children, Guy and Clarence. ^[2] Following 31 years of marriage, Hamlin made the decision to divorce her husband once her children had grown up. ^[4]

Departing from her family in New York, she moved to California in 1908 to reunite with her now wealthy sister Emma, who resided in Fresno, California. ^[2] Together, Hamlin and her sister acquired a summer residence in Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. After years of a difficult marriage, Hamlin became involved in the activities of the Episcopal Church, which was founded in 1912 at the Pine Inn under the leadership of Dora Wingate. Hamlin maintained her active engagement with the church throughout her years in Carmel. ^[2]

Career

Hamlin took over management of the Pine Inn in 1909, the first hotel in Carmel-by-the-Sea, located on Ocean Avenue, the town's main street. Hamlin was in her fifties when she arrived in Carmel. She managed the hotel from 1909 to 1911. ^[2] Hamlin was the last manager before real estate developer James F. Devendorf sold the Pine Inn in late 1911. ^[5]

During the summer of 1908, Hamlin took over ownership of The Monte Verde (now the Monte Verde Inn), an establishment that she started. It was also known as the El Monte Verde, the Monte Verde Apartments, and Monte Verde Hotel. It was located at the southwest corner of Monte Verde Street and Ocean Avenue, diagonally across from the Pine Inn. Hamlin managed the Monte Verde as a hotel, accommodating both short guests and long-term tenants. For two seasons, she managed both the Monte Verde Apartments and the Pine Inn.

In 1918, Hamlin put the Monte Verde Apartments up for sale. When the property did not find a buyer, Hamlin enlisted the services of contractor S. J. Wyatt in October 1918 to do improvements. Four years later she had plans to build a boardinghouse on the opposite corner of Monte Verde, where she had several acquired lots. On February 7, 1923, Hamlin acquired two more lots midway between Ocean and 7th Avenues on the east side of Monte Verde. In September 1924, Hamlin hired contractor Percy Parkes to undertake a remodel of the Monte Verde Apartments to modernize and enhance them. Hamlin maintained control of the Monte Verde property until 1928. ^[2]

In March 1929, Parkes purchased the Monte Verde Apartments and moved around the corner to to face on Monte Verde instead of Ocean Avenue. ^{[6] [7]}

By August 1929, Hamlin joined with Allen Knight (Carmel city councilman and mayor) to build and manage the Sundial Lodge, also known as the Sundial Court Apartments, on the east side Monte Verde Street and 7th Avenue. ^[8] The Medieval Revival-style hotel had its grand opening on June 1, 1930, where Hamlin was present as the manager to distribute apartments and roses to their guests. ^[9] Allen Knight had inherited a portion of the land on Monte Verde Avenue from his parents. Knight's aunt Alice "Alys" Miller also contributed to the partnership. The three partners collectively owned the Sundial Lodge, and Hamlin served as the initial president and manager.

Hamlin managed the property through the Great Depression and the early years of the World War II. During this period, some of the shop space changed into galleries, and specific apartments were repurposed to serve as artists' studios. Hamlin retired in her 80s and continued to live at Sundial Court. ^[2] The Sundial Lodge, now the L’Auberge Carmel, is one of the few remaining hotels from the early 1930s that has maintained its original exterior appearance and gained significant attention being acknowledged by the city of Carmel as an important historical asset. ^[10]

Death and legacy

Hamlin died at her home in Carmel on August 12, 1947, at 90 years of age. ^[1] Hamlin's legacy as a hotelier in Carmel-by-the-Sea includes two hotels she established in Carmel-by-the-Sea, which continue to thrive to this day. ^[2] In 1979, 50 years after starting the Sundial Court Apartments, she was remembered "As owner and proprietress of the Monte Verde Apartments, she has made a fine reputation in the science of such management." ^[11]

See also

• List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea
• Timeline of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California

References

External links

• "L'Auberge Carmel Awards". Carmel-by-the-Sea, California.

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