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This criteria page is going to take awhile to fill out. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:06, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
New stubs shouldn't be proposed if they won't easily have 100 articles at a minimum. Furthermore, the articles under them should have some potential to be expandable. Even though an article may be short, it does not mean that's it's lacking.-- jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Unless anyone objects, I will be moving everything from "New sections and categories" to "Proposed new stubs", since it's outdated and I see no use (if it was useful, it would be updated).
The hierarchy should reflect the current, existing hierarchy. If a new stub is created/deleted, it should be added/removed from the hierarchy immediately.
I don't believe it's necessary to list articles you think should go under your new stub. I think we can all agree that if someone proposes a new stub, it's because they've see a need for it. Perhaps we should agree on a format for proposals, with the name in a header, the purpose/scope clearly stated below, and an estimate of existing articles that would benefit, an expiry date, with the comment section below. Ideally, the scope should be limited to a few lines. If everyone agrees to change the scope, then it should be replaced and not just crossed off. This is simply to keep things organised, so at any time, someone can jump in and see what is being proposed and what it will cover. In addition, proposals should be specific. For instance, the recommendation of state stubs. If a particular state needs a stub, then great, but just because one needs it, it does not mean every state deserves one. The expiry date will allow old or staled discussions to be moved off the page.--
jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Like me, you may well get fed up with waiting for all the icons and tables to load at Wikipedia:Template messages/Stubs when you want to find out which stub to use on a particular article. for that reason, I've added an extra page to my user pages ( User:Grutness/Stubs) with a plain-text list of all the stub templates listed as they stand now (00:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)). Feel free to amend the list when new stubs are created (but make sure you only list them with SINGLE curly brackets! I don't want my user pages covered in templates!). Also, feel free to advertise this page anywhere where stub sorting is going on. Grutness| hello? 00:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
׳keתlogicשlowendרpassomenקgreetingץgoshiצzenofferibeilצkesslirdoteףkenschoפlegalsimפtollerant Frank Russell 2017==Substubs== Not sure whether this belongs here or elsewhere(I'm going to cross-post it to Guidelines as well for this reason), but this came up in discussion recently on tfd ater Template:PBS-substub was discovered. The suggestion was made (which I agree with) that substubs should not be subdivided in the same way as stubs.
Substubs seem to fall into four types: dicdefs that should be moved to Wikipedia, scraps of information which should be merged into larger articles, potential vfds that will never amount to anything, and potential articles which should be at the very least expanded into stubs. At some point, some effort from WP:WSS should probably go into sifting through Category:Substubs to work out which ones go where and doing something with them. Those that can be made into proper stubs, all well and good, they can them get changed into whatever subcategory of stub is appropriate. The rest should be dealt with according to their needs. Grutness| hello? 22:56, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Given the large number of new stub categories that have appeared out of the woodwork lately, I've added a sentence to both Wikipedia:Find_or_fix_a_stub and Category:Stub categories saying:
Hopefully that will slow down the number of new discoveries a little! Grutness| hello? 09:57, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've rearranged the criteria page a bit, in the hope that it will make it easier to archive and to keep track of when templates have been proposed. The main change is to divide up the new propsals by the month they werre proposed. This will give us a bit more of an idea of which proposals have been hanging around without anything happening to them. I've also tidied up the procedure for proposing stubs section slightly. Hope that by being bold I haven't gone too far... let me know what you think. Grutness| hello? 06:56, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We now have two shiny new templates for US and UK railway/road stations - {{ US-station-stub}} and {{ UK-station-stub}}. Fine and dandy, except that {{ Station-stub}} is for Radio and TV stations. My fault as much as anyone else's for not noticing when it was being debated... but this could cause quite some confusion. Grutness| hello? 12:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I came across this issue, and was redirected here. I'd just like to say that the templates named under Category:Computer stubs are really counterintuitive. For example, if I'm going through recent changes, I'll usually tag stub articles; and as I'm not familiar with the breadth of stub templates, I'll usually guess at what i think it's called, and verify in "Preview". Usually, it's pretty easy, like I'll guess Template:actor-stub or Template:comics-stub, and be right. However Template:compu-hardware-stub and Template:compu-soft-stub is not at all intuitive, consistent, or particularly necessary; I doubt there would be any ambiguity if you called them Template:hardware-stub or Template:software-stub. Just a thought. -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:52, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
I can't say that I agree, I'd like to see the naming convention move in the other direction. I find the the templete names are a little sparse, for example Ma-stubb for martial arts, Philo-stub for philosophy, ST-stub for Star Trek etc. I think the general readership would be better served using full words for stub template names. Maybe I'll suggest that as a slight policy change. So in this case, computer-hardware-stub might be better if people are guessing what the stub name might be as they are sorting (though it'd be easier if they had the list in another window) Rx StrangeLove 16:03, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Guys (and girls), its apparent there are some people who feel all stubs should be approved and, to be blunt, I have seen at least three people get jumped on, almost immedieatly, for creating stubs without "approval". Some of this (myself included) was innocent as there was no knowledge of these "procedures". If the creation of stubs is such a big issue that should require consent, review, and approval, then give this to the administrators much like the Main Page is. Im not a newbie, Ive been here for a year and less than 12 hours after my first stub creation attempt I was being told that I was wrong to create it and it was being proposed for deletion. Lets be a bit nicer and assume good faith. Otherwise, make stub creation protected and leave it to the admins to approve. - Husnock 03:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I see we are all missing the point here. The point is that Wikipedia does not require consent or approval unless such pages are protected and need to moderated by administrators. Such pages are clearly marked. My point is that going to users and stating to them that they were wrong to create new stubs without approval is not the way to go here since there is no Wiki policy or regulation that states this. Reverting such stubs, without giving anyone a chance to defend themselves (as was the case on the article Allgemeine-SS) causes nothing but bad feelings. That is what made me upswet was that the stub I made was summarily removed from three different articles almost as if it was vandalism.
I COMPLETELY AGREE that stubs should be discussed and approved. The entire point here is that an innocent user may not know that and then feels wronged with reverts and messages left them. One person did not create the 48 stubs mentioned above, and should not be hammered for an innocent attempt to simply better Wikipedia.
SO...to solve this problem, and to avoid the "Stub Police" syndrome that I am seeing here, I created this box for everyone.
To avoid unnecessary redirects and reverts, please discuss any new stub type you wish to create at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals prior to its creation and placement in articles or tables. |
I highly suggest placing this at the top of any page that relates to the creation of stubs. It is very clear and very easy to see and will make everyone happy. ISnt that what we all want! :-) - Husnock 17:09, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Since we seem to be getting occasional new geo-stubs appearing, and I've been holding off suggesting any more till they reach a reasonable threshold, I went through all the geostubs in "region" classifications (e.g., Central Asia, Caribbean, West Africa), and counted up the actual nunbers for each coutry. it makes interesting reading (if you're really bored...). If anyone wants to see how the "unseparated countries" stack up in terms of numbers of geo-stubs, have a look at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying. Grutness| hello? 08:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree, if it doesn't decrease the amount of work needed then it's probably a good solution looking for a problem, and the way I use them it would increase my work. Plus if it's a country that doesn't already have a category, how would people find the stub after the generic stub is applied? Rx StrangeLove 02:00, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
discussion moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_redirects
I've put this on WP:WSS talk, but I think it's worth adding here, too: While Snowflake and other were diligently creating the new central project page, I've been working on something else which I think might be a reasonable addition to the project's pages, which I'd now like to present for appraisal and improvement. A lot of recent talk has been about trying to maintain consistent naming of stub templates, and working out which redirects are badly-enough named to reuire deletion. I have written a first draft of some naming guidelines, also including some of the major exceptions, on a subpage of my user page at User:Grutness/WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. If you think it is a good enough start for such a page, then I will move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. Please have a look, make any amendments you think necessary and get back to me (even if only to tell me it was a waste of time and a co0mplete crock of tutae, as they might say in Maori). Grutness... wha? 08:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I've just added a shortcut to the top of the page, but in doing so I've somehow stuffed the table of contents somehow... can someone fix it? (I'm still using one of those ancient editors that complains at things over 32k...). Thanks! Grutness... wha? 12:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've split up those tables in order to make sure everything goes into the table of contents. I know it looks somewhat ugly, but that's because the situation is actually ugly :) -- Joy [shallot] 16:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I couldn't place Peabody Trust very well. Isidore 9 July 2005 00:38 (UTC)
A thought that's come to me (and which I mentioned while commenting on the proposed explorer-stub)... If we're splitting bio-stub by both profession and nationality, which we seem to be, it makes far more sense for the standard naming for a profession to simply be "profession-stub" rather than "profession-bio-stub" (i.e., like artist-stub, singer-stub, etc, but not like compu-bio-stub or reli-bio-stub). The reason is simple - if we later need to split it by nationality as well, it is far less clunky to use nation-profession-stub (e.g., UK-politician-stub) than nation-profession-bio-stub (e.g., Australia-compu-bio-stub). Also, for most professions, the name of the profession instantly indicates that its a biography - "artist-stub is a stub about an artist, for instance. I'll admit that some of the exceptions are cases where it's not clearly the name of a profession, but I think that in most cases, an unambiguous profession name should be used if possible. Grutness... wha? 9 July 2005 10:21 (UTC)
There are numerous stub categories relating to the United States, and there seems to be no common pattern of naming. Do we need one, and if so, what should it be? I mistakenly told one person that they should use US to name a particular category because it was our standard naming, but I see now I was completely wrong. Personally, I'd prefer not to use "American", as it is ambiguous, and stick with "United States" throughout, but I'm hoping to hear arguments on all sides of this one. If we stick to one standard it will mean a lot of categories coming through SFD for renaming (templates, I'm glad to say, all use US). (Also copying this across to SFD talk page): Grutness... wha? 14:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Since there seems to be a reasonable amount of consensus, might I suggest then using "US-XX-stub" for all templates, and "United States" for all the categories? We canmake sure that any new ones keep to this scheme, and gradually convert any that are currently different to this. Grutness... wha? 00:22, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
FYI: found that the category was not properly formed; fixed this. Courtland 03:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
This section is getting a bit large and unwieldy to edit, so I decided to try splitting it up by month. It's certainly helped with the section sizes, but I'm not 100% sure about whether I like it. Feel free to revert if it makes things absolutely horrible. -- TheParanoidOne 22:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Right, that does it. Someone else can take over the geo-stub work. It is clearly too much of a pain in the ass when users like User:Tobias Conradi, after having all the rules explained to him at Category_talk:Geography_stubs, go ahead and create categories that I have expained will be a complete waste of time. If someone else would care to have the geo-stub lists that are at the subpages of my User page, they can feel free to have them - I won't be using them any more. Grutness... wha? 23:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I am planning to break this page up. The size of this page is astounding, as evidenced by the little notice on top, and its name is somewhat misleading anyway. So, I plan to make Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for new stub types, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Newly-discovered stub types), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Clarifications (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Other stub-related discussions). The alternative titles are only here for discussions, I much prefer the shorter ones, but please comment away. "Proposed stub deletions" has been taken over to WP:SFD, and can be discarded.
/Criteria can stay in the same way that the Village Pump is organized, i.e. Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria with links to the three subpages, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria (full) with the three pages transcluded. Criteria must be kept anyway because of the archives, but I recommend archiving the subpages by themselves in the future. Any links should then go to the relevant subpage, and Citeria only be used as a fallback for incoming links, with Criteria (full) for people who don't care about loading times.
So: Bad idea? Good idea? Are the titles okay? If noone complains I'm going ahead with it in a few days, or earlier if I get some support without anyone objecting. -- grm_wnr Esc 18:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I went ahead using Grutness' suggestion. Before doing that, I archived the Criteria page to Archive 16 so that the new pages don't start out at a massive size. But still, with only discussions that have been added to in July (and I even cut out the beginnings of very old discussions that had early-July contributions) /Proposals is still over 100k :(. We should decide now how to archive the new pages - We could go on archiving them to /Criteria/Archive, or start /Proposals/Archive and /Discoveries/Archive. I prefer the latter, since it makes archiving easier. The problem with it is that this splits the archive. We could, however, migrate the respective parts of the old archive to the new archives (slowly, since it's a lot of work). Would that be actually worth the hassle? -- grm_wnr Esc 21:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason not to make redirects like {{ Chad-geo-stub}} to {{ AfricaC-geo-stub}}, assuming that the redirect fits in with the system? That way, you could just put the name of the country without worrying what region it's supposed to be in, and if/when enough Chad geo stubs show up, they wouldn't have to be manually searched for and moved. Kappa 23:44, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
There's actually a very good reason not to have pre-emptive redirects. It's twice as much work. As things are at the moment, if a chad-geo-stub was made, all we'd have to do is make the template and category, then change all the stubs over. With your suggestion, we'd change the stubs over now, and make a redirect. then later change the redirect and make the category and do null edits on all the articles. That's quite a bit more work. Plus, knowing that the stub name Chad-geo-stub exists might well encourage someone to create the category and change the template to it, without realising that null-edits are neeed for any articles previously marked with the template. That would mean us having to check through all the "What links here" links to see what needs to be changed and what doesn't. Admittedly, some of that work could be done with a bot, but I'd be willing to bet that it would still result in more work overall. So, no, I wouldn't be in favour of pre-emptive redirects like this. Also, you're right that redirects do put extra strain on the servers (which is why we're trying to reduce the number of redirects, rather than increase it!), since rather than one template being called up when a page is recalled, two are - the "real" template and the redirect. Grutness... wha? 05:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RFC to dissolve Wikiproject Stub Sorting. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 10:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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This criteria page is going to take awhile to fill out. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:06, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
New stubs shouldn't be proposed if they won't easily have 100 articles at a minimum. Furthermore, the articles under them should have some potential to be expandable. Even though an article may be short, it does not mean that's it's lacking.-- jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Unless anyone objects, I will be moving everything from "New sections and categories" to "Proposed new stubs", since it's outdated and I see no use (if it was useful, it would be updated).
The hierarchy should reflect the current, existing hierarchy. If a new stub is created/deleted, it should be added/removed from the hierarchy immediately.
I don't believe it's necessary to list articles you think should go under your new stub. I think we can all agree that if someone proposes a new stub, it's because they've see a need for it. Perhaps we should agree on a format for proposals, with the name in a header, the purpose/scope clearly stated below, and an estimate of existing articles that would benefit, an expiry date, with the comment section below. Ideally, the scope should be limited to a few lines. If everyone agrees to change the scope, then it should be replaced and not just crossed off. This is simply to keep things organised, so at any time, someone can jump in and see what is being proposed and what it will cover. In addition, proposals should be specific. For instance, the recommendation of state stubs. If a particular state needs a stub, then great, but just because one needs it, it does not mean every state deserves one. The expiry date will allow old or staled discussions to be moved off the page.--
jag123 22:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Like me, you may well get fed up with waiting for all the icons and tables to load at Wikipedia:Template messages/Stubs when you want to find out which stub to use on a particular article. for that reason, I've added an extra page to my user pages ( User:Grutness/Stubs) with a plain-text list of all the stub templates listed as they stand now (00:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)). Feel free to amend the list when new stubs are created (but make sure you only list them with SINGLE curly brackets! I don't want my user pages covered in templates!). Also, feel free to advertise this page anywhere where stub sorting is going on. Grutness| hello? 00:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
׳keתlogicשlowendרpassomenקgreetingץgoshiצzenofferibeilצkesslirdoteףkenschoפlegalsimפtollerant Frank Russell 2017==Substubs== Not sure whether this belongs here or elsewhere(I'm going to cross-post it to Guidelines as well for this reason), but this came up in discussion recently on tfd ater Template:PBS-substub was discovered. The suggestion was made (which I agree with) that substubs should not be subdivided in the same way as stubs.
Substubs seem to fall into four types: dicdefs that should be moved to Wikipedia, scraps of information which should be merged into larger articles, potential vfds that will never amount to anything, and potential articles which should be at the very least expanded into stubs. At some point, some effort from WP:WSS should probably go into sifting through Category:Substubs to work out which ones go where and doing something with them. Those that can be made into proper stubs, all well and good, they can them get changed into whatever subcategory of stub is appropriate. The rest should be dealt with according to their needs. Grutness| hello? 22:56, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Given the large number of new stub categories that have appeared out of the woodwork lately, I've added a sentence to both Wikipedia:Find_or_fix_a_stub and Category:Stub categories saying:
Hopefully that will slow down the number of new discoveries a little! Grutness| hello? 09:57, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've rearranged the criteria page a bit, in the hope that it will make it easier to archive and to keep track of when templates have been proposed. The main change is to divide up the new propsals by the month they werre proposed. This will give us a bit more of an idea of which proposals have been hanging around without anything happening to them. I've also tidied up the procedure for proposing stubs section slightly. Hope that by being bold I haven't gone too far... let me know what you think. Grutness| hello? 06:56, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We now have two shiny new templates for US and UK railway/road stations - {{ US-station-stub}} and {{ UK-station-stub}}. Fine and dandy, except that {{ Station-stub}} is for Radio and TV stations. My fault as much as anyone else's for not noticing when it was being debated... but this could cause quite some confusion. Grutness| hello? 12:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I came across this issue, and was redirected here. I'd just like to say that the templates named under Category:Computer stubs are really counterintuitive. For example, if I'm going through recent changes, I'll usually tag stub articles; and as I'm not familiar with the breadth of stub templates, I'll usually guess at what i think it's called, and verify in "Preview". Usually, it's pretty easy, like I'll guess Template:actor-stub or Template:comics-stub, and be right. However Template:compu-hardware-stub and Template:compu-soft-stub is not at all intuitive, consistent, or particularly necessary; I doubt there would be any ambiguity if you called them Template:hardware-stub or Template:software-stub. Just a thought. -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:52, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
I can't say that I agree, I'd like to see the naming convention move in the other direction. I find the the templete names are a little sparse, for example Ma-stubb for martial arts, Philo-stub for philosophy, ST-stub for Star Trek etc. I think the general readership would be better served using full words for stub template names. Maybe I'll suggest that as a slight policy change. So in this case, computer-hardware-stub might be better if people are guessing what the stub name might be as they are sorting (though it'd be easier if they had the list in another window) Rx StrangeLove 16:03, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Guys (and girls), its apparent there are some people who feel all stubs should be approved and, to be blunt, I have seen at least three people get jumped on, almost immedieatly, for creating stubs without "approval". Some of this (myself included) was innocent as there was no knowledge of these "procedures". If the creation of stubs is such a big issue that should require consent, review, and approval, then give this to the administrators much like the Main Page is. Im not a newbie, Ive been here for a year and less than 12 hours after my first stub creation attempt I was being told that I was wrong to create it and it was being proposed for deletion. Lets be a bit nicer and assume good faith. Otherwise, make stub creation protected and leave it to the admins to approve. - Husnock 03:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I see we are all missing the point here. The point is that Wikipedia does not require consent or approval unless such pages are protected and need to moderated by administrators. Such pages are clearly marked. My point is that going to users and stating to them that they were wrong to create new stubs without approval is not the way to go here since there is no Wiki policy or regulation that states this. Reverting such stubs, without giving anyone a chance to defend themselves (as was the case on the article Allgemeine-SS) causes nothing but bad feelings. That is what made me upswet was that the stub I made was summarily removed from three different articles almost as if it was vandalism.
I COMPLETELY AGREE that stubs should be discussed and approved. The entire point here is that an innocent user may not know that and then feels wronged with reverts and messages left them. One person did not create the 48 stubs mentioned above, and should not be hammered for an innocent attempt to simply better Wikipedia.
SO...to solve this problem, and to avoid the "Stub Police" syndrome that I am seeing here, I created this box for everyone.
To avoid unnecessary redirects and reverts, please discuss any new stub type you wish to create at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals prior to its creation and placement in articles or tables. |
I highly suggest placing this at the top of any page that relates to the creation of stubs. It is very clear and very easy to see and will make everyone happy. ISnt that what we all want! :-) - Husnock 17:09, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Since we seem to be getting occasional new geo-stubs appearing, and I've been holding off suggesting any more till they reach a reasonable threshold, I went through all the geostubs in "region" classifications (e.g., Central Asia, Caribbean, West Africa), and counted up the actual nunbers for each coutry. it makes interesting reading (if you're really bored...). If anyone wants to see how the "unseparated countries" stack up in terms of numbers of geo-stubs, have a look at User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying. Grutness| hello? 08:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree, if it doesn't decrease the amount of work needed then it's probably a good solution looking for a problem, and the way I use them it would increase my work. Plus if it's a country that doesn't already have a category, how would people find the stub after the generic stub is applied? Rx StrangeLove 02:00, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
discussion moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_redirects
I've put this on WP:WSS talk, but I think it's worth adding here, too: While Snowflake and other were diligently creating the new central project page, I've been working on something else which I think might be a reasonable addition to the project's pages, which I'd now like to present for appraisal and improvement. A lot of recent talk has been about trying to maintain consistent naming of stub templates, and working out which redirects are badly-enough named to reuire deletion. I have written a first draft of some naming guidelines, also including some of the major exceptions, on a subpage of my user page at User:Grutness/WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. If you think it is a good enough start for such a page, then I will move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines. Please have a look, make any amendments you think necessary and get back to me (even if only to tell me it was a waste of time and a co0mplete crock of tutae, as they might say in Maori). Grutness... wha? 08:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I've just added a shortcut to the top of the page, but in doing so I've somehow stuffed the table of contents somehow... can someone fix it? (I'm still using one of those ancient editors that complains at things over 32k...). Thanks! Grutness... wha? 12:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've split up those tables in order to make sure everything goes into the table of contents. I know it looks somewhat ugly, but that's because the situation is actually ugly :) -- Joy [shallot] 16:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I couldn't place Peabody Trust very well. Isidore 9 July 2005 00:38 (UTC)
A thought that's come to me (and which I mentioned while commenting on the proposed explorer-stub)... If we're splitting bio-stub by both profession and nationality, which we seem to be, it makes far more sense for the standard naming for a profession to simply be "profession-stub" rather than "profession-bio-stub" (i.e., like artist-stub, singer-stub, etc, but not like compu-bio-stub or reli-bio-stub). The reason is simple - if we later need to split it by nationality as well, it is far less clunky to use nation-profession-stub (e.g., UK-politician-stub) than nation-profession-bio-stub (e.g., Australia-compu-bio-stub). Also, for most professions, the name of the profession instantly indicates that its a biography - "artist-stub is a stub about an artist, for instance. I'll admit that some of the exceptions are cases where it's not clearly the name of a profession, but I think that in most cases, an unambiguous profession name should be used if possible. Grutness... wha? 9 July 2005 10:21 (UTC)
There are numerous stub categories relating to the United States, and there seems to be no common pattern of naming. Do we need one, and if so, what should it be? I mistakenly told one person that they should use US to name a particular category because it was our standard naming, but I see now I was completely wrong. Personally, I'd prefer not to use "American", as it is ambiguous, and stick with "United States" throughout, but I'm hoping to hear arguments on all sides of this one. If we stick to one standard it will mean a lot of categories coming through SFD for renaming (templates, I'm glad to say, all use US). (Also copying this across to SFD talk page): Grutness... wha? 14:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Since there seems to be a reasonable amount of consensus, might I suggest then using "US-XX-stub" for all templates, and "United States" for all the categories? We canmake sure that any new ones keep to this scheme, and gradually convert any that are currently different to this. Grutness... wha? 00:22, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
FYI: found that the category was not properly formed; fixed this. Courtland 03:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
This section is getting a bit large and unwieldy to edit, so I decided to try splitting it up by month. It's certainly helped with the section sizes, but I'm not 100% sure about whether I like it. Feel free to revert if it makes things absolutely horrible. -- TheParanoidOne 22:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Right, that does it. Someone else can take over the geo-stub work. It is clearly too much of a pain in the ass when users like User:Tobias Conradi, after having all the rules explained to him at Category_talk:Geography_stubs, go ahead and create categories that I have expained will be a complete waste of time. If someone else would care to have the geo-stub lists that are at the subpages of my User page, they can feel free to have them - I won't be using them any more. Grutness... wha? 23:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I am planning to break this page up. The size of this page is astounding, as evidenced by the little notice on top, and its name is somewhat misleading anyway. So, I plan to make Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for new stub types, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Newly-discovered stub types), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Clarifications (alternative title: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Other stub-related discussions). The alternative titles are only here for discussions, I much prefer the shorter ones, but please comment away. "Proposed stub deletions" has been taken over to WP:SFD, and can be discarded.
/Criteria can stay in the same way that the Village Pump is organized, i.e. Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria with links to the three subpages, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria (full) with the three pages transcluded. Criteria must be kept anyway because of the archives, but I recommend archiving the subpages by themselves in the future. Any links should then go to the relevant subpage, and Citeria only be used as a fallback for incoming links, with Criteria (full) for people who don't care about loading times.
So: Bad idea? Good idea? Are the titles okay? If noone complains I'm going ahead with it in a few days, or earlier if I get some support without anyone objecting. -- grm_wnr Esc 18:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I went ahead using Grutness' suggestion. Before doing that, I archived the Criteria page to Archive 16 so that the new pages don't start out at a massive size. But still, with only discussions that have been added to in July (and I even cut out the beginnings of very old discussions that had early-July contributions) /Proposals is still over 100k :(. We should decide now how to archive the new pages - We could go on archiving them to /Criteria/Archive, or start /Proposals/Archive and /Discoveries/Archive. I prefer the latter, since it makes archiving easier. The problem with it is that this splits the archive. We could, however, migrate the respective parts of the old archive to the new archives (slowly, since it's a lot of work). Would that be actually worth the hassle? -- grm_wnr Esc 21:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason not to make redirects like {{ Chad-geo-stub}} to {{ AfricaC-geo-stub}}, assuming that the redirect fits in with the system? That way, you could just put the name of the country without worrying what region it's supposed to be in, and if/when enough Chad geo stubs show up, they wouldn't have to be manually searched for and moved. Kappa 23:44, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
There's actually a very good reason not to have pre-emptive redirects. It's twice as much work. As things are at the moment, if a chad-geo-stub was made, all we'd have to do is make the template and category, then change all the stubs over. With your suggestion, we'd change the stubs over now, and make a redirect. then later change the redirect and make the category and do null edits on all the articles. That's quite a bit more work. Plus, knowing that the stub name Chad-geo-stub exists might well encourage someone to create the category and change the template to it, without realising that null-edits are neeed for any articles previously marked with the template. That would mean us having to check through all the "What links here" links to see what needs to be changed and what doesn't. Admittedly, some of that work could be done with a bot, but I'd be willing to bet that it would still result in more work overall. So, no, I wouldn't be in favour of pre-emptive redirects like this. Also, you're right that redirects do put extra strain on the servers (which is why we're trying to reduce the number of redirects, rather than increase it!), since rather than one template being called up when a page is recalled, two are - the "real" template and the redirect. Grutness... wha? 05:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RFC to dissolve Wikiproject Stub Sorting. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 10:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)