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This template is redirected to {{ Color-stub}}. I've orphaned the template so it is suitable for deletion based on the "redundant template" argument. Courtland 11:34, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
expansion of discussion
We can probably think of stub-template redirects in one of two major groups: transient and permanent.
Of the redirects listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types, my impression of the classification goes like this:
a notation of unloaded indicates that there were 0 articles found linked to the template on the date indicated
Transient
Permanent
Not sure
In making this listing is occurs to me that more redirects might not be a bad thing and that some primary-secondary pairs might benefit from being switched. It's been pointed out that one reason for using short/cryptic template codes is to reduce typing when doing stub sorting. In cases where there is a short/cryptic code and a full-name code, my thinking is that the short/cryptic one should be redirected to the full-name one. For instance, rather than {{ Language-stub}} redirecting to {{ Lang-stub}}, shouldn't this be reversed, so that {{ Lang-stub}} redirects to {{ Language-stub}}? If this were applied consistently, then a bot could be constructed (beyond my knowledge/ability, though) that could take a thesaurus of terms and update the short/cryptic codes to the full-name codes without human intervention.
I think that we need to talk to the WikiMedia m:developers about any performance impact redirected stub templates might have before we decide to keep to many of them around. I have noticed that when you edit a page that uses a template that is redirected, that you see both the redirected and target template in the list of templates below the edit box. That suggests to me that for every edit of a page with a redirected template that there will be at least two database calls instead of one, and for every time that the target template gets edited that they will be two database calls per page that the template is on as the cache is refreshed (much like the problem with Meta-templates). BlankVerse ∅ 06:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
On the topic of server load, then, I've unloaded several of the templates in the transient list above, most being those that do not abide by the informal naming criteria ("Topic"-stub; no spaces). The unloaded transients could potentially go onto WP:TFD if there is general agreement. Courtland 03:24, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
I note that Singapore-stub redirects to Sg-stub and Sg-geo-stub redirects to Singapore-geo-stub. Can I suggest we swap one around for consistency? (My vote would be making the Sg ones the redirects.) Grutness... wha? 10:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
suggest linking Anthro to Anthropomorphic and Athropomorphology, and have each of those link to Anthropomorphism. (Additional info on Anthropomorphology: the study of Anthropomorphism.) Foxy 11:20, 07 February 2006 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on replacing this page with the use of redirect templates now that they work again. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
All the links on this page have now been checked and relevant templates added to Category:Stub template redirects. Please do not use this page any longer to list stub template redirects; add redirected templates to Category:Stub template redirects by using
<noinclude>[[Category:Stub template redirects]]</noinclude>
Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 05:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
This page is currently inactive and is retained for
historical reference. Either the page is no longer relevant or consensus on its purpose has become unclear. To revive discussion, seek broader input via a forum such as the village pump. |
Stub sorting | ||||
|
original discussion
...{{ Col-stub}}...
This template is redirected to {{ Color-stub}}. I've orphaned the template so it is suitable for deletion based on the "redundant template" argument. Courtland 11:34, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
expansion of discussion
We can probably think of stub-template redirects in one of two major groups: transient and permanent.
Of the redirects listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types, my impression of the classification goes like this:
a notation of unloaded indicates that there were 0 articles found linked to the template on the date indicated
Transient
Permanent
Not sure
In making this listing is occurs to me that more redirects might not be a bad thing and that some primary-secondary pairs might benefit from being switched. It's been pointed out that one reason for using short/cryptic template codes is to reduce typing when doing stub sorting. In cases where there is a short/cryptic code and a full-name code, my thinking is that the short/cryptic one should be redirected to the full-name one. For instance, rather than {{ Language-stub}} redirecting to {{ Lang-stub}}, shouldn't this be reversed, so that {{ Lang-stub}} redirects to {{ Language-stub}}? If this were applied consistently, then a bot could be constructed (beyond my knowledge/ability, though) that could take a thesaurus of terms and update the short/cryptic codes to the full-name codes without human intervention.
I think that we need to talk to the WikiMedia m:developers about any performance impact redirected stub templates might have before we decide to keep to many of them around. I have noticed that when you edit a page that uses a template that is redirected, that you see both the redirected and target template in the list of templates below the edit box. That suggests to me that for every edit of a page with a redirected template that there will be at least two database calls instead of one, and for every time that the target template gets edited that they will be two database calls per page that the template is on as the cache is refreshed (much like the problem with Meta-templates). BlankVerse ∅ 06:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
On the topic of server load, then, I've unloaded several of the templates in the transient list above, most being those that do not abide by the informal naming criteria ("Topic"-stub; no spaces). The unloaded transients could potentially go onto WP:TFD if there is general agreement. Courtland 03:24, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
I note that Singapore-stub redirects to Sg-stub and Sg-geo-stub redirects to Singapore-geo-stub. Can I suggest we swap one around for consistency? (My vote would be making the Sg ones the redirects.) Grutness... wha? 10:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
suggest linking Anthro to Anthropomorphic and Athropomorphology, and have each of those link to Anthropomorphism. (Additional info on Anthropomorphology: the study of Anthropomorphism.) Foxy 11:20, 07 February 2006 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on replacing this page with the use of redirect templates now that they work again. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
All the links on this page have now been checked and relevant templates added to Category:Stub template redirects. Please do not use this page any longer to list stub template redirects; add redirected templates to Category:Stub template redirects by using
<noinclude>[[Category:Stub template redirects]]</noinclude>
Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 05:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)