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I don't wish to start an edit war but I believe Chuck Norris's fight record should be deleted as there is no reliable evidence for his fight record any thoughts people? Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Sirs:
There are several Yang style Tai Chi Chuan-related articles that have been marked for deletion for various reasons. While there may be issues with these articles, this sudden activity on this matter seems heavy-handed. While compliance with Wikipedia rules is necessary, it is often difficult to document things according to these requirements, especially since some martial arts have very obscure origins and original publications containing the notability and independent information that can corroborate the articles is very difficult to come by. This, however, doesn't make them less notable or valuable. I don't "own" all the articles in question, but I feel that I must advocate for them. I therefore ask for help in getting these articles back into compliance or advice on how to do this. Several of these articles I would consider a major loss to the body of information that is Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan, a major style of martial art.
The articles in question are:
Please don't let these articles disappear only because this contributor is not very experienced in complying with Wikipedia rules. Bruno talk 03:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I see there are currently several AfDs about lists of martial arts techniques for individual styles, and I though it might be nice if this project came up with a consensus view in general, instead of dealing with each style individually. Most of these articles lack sources, but my real concern is the rationale behind the articles. There are only so many ways to throw a punch or kick, so do we really need lists of the same techniques over and over just because people call them something different? I'd say at most 1 article (on martial arts techniques) would be sufficient. That's my thinking, but I'd like to hear from the rest of you. Papaursa ( talk) 02:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Being Wikipedia:BRAVE, I have created Karate techniques. I have created it with references and will fill it starting next week. I intend it as common ground of all karate styles - style specific techniques could be in the style article. I would appreciate any help and comments. jmcw ( talk) 10:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Last year, we made a concerted effort to review articles and delete those that did not demonstrate sufficient notability. Even though the formal review has ended, I think we now have good momentum on that front. This year, I would like to suggest that we take a new focus: improving existing articles. In particular, our flagship article needs more extensive referencing. If working on that article does not appeal to you, perhaps expanding one of the many Stub-class or Start-class articles might be of interest. This could result in more Did You Know or Good Article recognition being associated with this project. While not forgetting or detracting from the pruning work we undertook last year, and are continuing to do informally, perhaps we can build up Wikipedia in this creative direction. Janggeom ( talk) 15:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't see any significant difference in Japanese kickboxing and American kickboxing that they deserve their own articles I feel they should be merged to Kickboxing thoughts. Dwanyewest ( talk) 02:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The Taijutsu Page has Been Deleted, I need someone with a copy of the page Info. The Page is currently being re-created.
Blue Grey Wolf ( talk) 06:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys, might want to look at the Frank Dux article. I won't reiterate my position on the info trying to be added back into the article here, so nobody will claim canvassing. But since this article falls squarely in this project, it might be worth taking a look at and participating in the discussion. Niteshift36 ( talk) 02:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently added a martial art style to wikipedia Bok Fu. How do we list it amongst other Striking hybrid styles? The most famous practitioner is a WBO title holder, and it spread since 1967 to numerous different schools, mostly in California. There are several notices on the page for different things which I'm working my way though, but as you all probably already know, the martial arts is not the best documented area! Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
( BokFu ( talk) 01:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC))
A new editor has made numerous edits to 'grappling' related articles and
Mixed martial arts fighter bios without any edit summaries. Seems to be pushing a somewhat pro
Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu POV, see
this edit. I welcomed the editor and asked them ({{
summary}}
) to use edit summaries. They blanked their talkpage and continued to edit without a summary. Other editors may wish to take a look to ensure NPOV. Happy Editing! -
220.101
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\Contribs 02:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Are we still doing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Article Review or is it now defunct or should it be deleted. ? Dwanyewest ( talk) 14:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I didn't notice that someone had prodded Phillip Rhee. I got it restored. The man easily passes notability. It just needs expanded and sourced a little better. Niteshift36 ( talk) 22:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Drives/2011/February trying to eliminate the backlog of articles needing wikification (since 2008). There are no Martial Arts category articles needing work from 2008. There are a few MA category articles needing wikification: see catscan [1]. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Drives/Instructions for a how-to guide. jmcw ( talk) 14:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Listed on Template:Martial arts are several things that are questionably martial arts: lucha libre and Japanese puroresu. Yes, puroresu has a strong relationship with Japanese MMA and a lot of Japanese pro wrestlers have legitimate training in catch wrestling or other martial arts, but it's still worked, not shoot, and has no body of useful fighting techniques not pulled from the catch or other MA background of the wrestlers. The entry specifically for sport wushu may be open to a similar criticism, since the martial portion of sport wushu- sanda- is already present elsewhere in the template, and what remains- taolu- is approximately as martial as professional wrestling. Is there some kind of consensus or policy somewhere that prevents their removal, or can I go ahead and excise them from the template? - Toptomcat ( talk) 18:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please fix the Nunchaku page, calling them Nunchucks in an encyclopedia is utterly ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.240.249 ( talk) 06:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
In collaboration with Nate, the List of notable Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioners has been lovingly crafted and today moved to article space. It's intended to start a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu list similar to List of judoka, and follows a similar structure. If you have a moment, please review, edit, and criticize it for us. Thanks! :) Buddy23Lee ( talk) 17:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
<ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.ibjjf.org/blackbelts_ibjjf_rank.htm |title=International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation |first= |last={{err|{{AUTHOR MISSING}}}} |work=ibjjf.org |year=2011 [last update] |accessdate=30 March 2011}}</ref>
A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome -- Geneviève ( talk) 22:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I was told at WT:MMA that the above article falls under this project, so here I am. Below is a message I posted at WT:MMA.
This style article is newly created and in need of a bit of help. There is a related thread at AN/I here. The creator, in the past few days, has shown signs that he might have WP:OWNership issues, so be on guard. Cheers, and happy editing. lifebaka ++ 19:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Please consider adding Roderick T. Kobayashi to the list of Notable Students of Koichi Tohei. You may find more information (if you need it?) at www.seidokan.org/history.htm Thank you. Ginnywatts ( talk) 17:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)G. Watts, 04/04/2011
I was looking at MA articles that were tagged for both notability and lack of references and found articles on the following three styles: Araki-ryū, Gyokko-ryū, and Kenkojuku. In the spirit of last year's martial arts article review, I am hoping people can provide comments about whether or not these articles should be put up for AfD. Papaursa ( talk) 02:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
1st pass comments -- Nate t/ c 13:45, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
User:Kurtsayin/Shaolin Kempo Karate is it reallly needed since Shaolin Kempo Karate exists. Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the descendant Wikipedia:WikiProject Kickboxing is inactive. I would like to make some improvements to its outdated guidelines but I dare not since I am not an expert at kickboxing and there needs to be a consensus anyway. For that, I have contacted the last active members of that project. I would like to discuss here if anyone would be interested in reactivating that WikiProject or if it would be better to integrate it back with the parent WikiProject Martial arts. Jfgslo ( talk) 13:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Grand slam (Judo), currently a redirect to Judo, has been nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Members of this WikiProject are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 May 29#Grand slam (Judo) where it has been proposed that an article about the series should be written.
I've also created the page Grand Slam (Judo) as a disambiguation page and tagged it for your project. This page can be overwritten with an article about the series if it is felt that is the best location for it. Please comment at the above RfD as well though. Thryduulf ( talk) 22:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
For those who haven't heard Wally Jay, founder of Small Circle JuJitsu, has died after a stroke. I have added a ref. re. his death and expanded a little. More expansion would be nice. Regards, 220.101 talk \Contribs 20:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
We have this guideline here:
One editor claims that this guideline is against MOS:JP. Please join in the talk at Template_talk:Navbox_koryu#English common names are to be used as stated in policies and guidelines. Also posted to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) Thank you, jni ( talk) 14:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Anyone here interested in helping me to submit Araki-ryū to deletion review? Fixing the article with citations from reliable sources should not be too hard to do. Thank you, jni ( talk) 14:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Korea#Taekwondo says that "Besides fighting skills, taekwondo is known to enhance the spirit of the practitioner, through its mind and body training." In what way and is this really neutral to say?-- Razionale ( talk) 15:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hapkido seems to me to be the other best known martial art from Korea beside Taekwondo. But the Korea article only deals with "Ssireum", Korea#Ssireum. Hapkido gets many times more page hits. Shouldn't we replace it?-- Razionale ( talk) 18:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
This is not very encyclopedic, I admit. I checked the Wikipedia article traffic statistics and noted down the page views of this month and these were the top 24. Some results definitely surprised me, perhaps some surprise you too.-- Razionale ( talk) 19:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to this project, but I have noticed that the vast majority of the infoboxes related to martial arts use flagicons in violation of MOS:FLAG. According to the Manual of Style, "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many." However, exceptions include military infoboxes or international competitions. Due to the international nature of most martial arts, it is possible that flagicons would be relevant. But, if they are relevant to use in infoboxes, "The name of a flag's country (or province, etc.) should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag icon, as not all readers are familiar with all flags."-- 3family6 ( talk) 12:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
This is undoubtedly a minor issue, but there seems to be a rather benign dispute going on at the Jean Jacques Machado article regarding his belt rank. In early June, JJ was promoted to a red-and-black belt by Rickson Gracie which was reported early by one source as 8th degree. This came as a bit of a surprise to me and some other editors for a few reasons. First, as far as I knew, JJ was 6th degree before this promotion, making it appear that he has skipped a full rank. Secondly, Rickson is an 8th degree himself and, again as far as I'm aware, a belt rank can only be bestowed by someone of a higher rank (e.g. Rickson would need to be a 9th degree red belt to promote someone to an 8th degree black-and-red belt). Finally, and perhaps more convincingly, there are now some articles on the web stating that JJ was promoted to 7th degree and not 8th. Even his official page mentions the promotion but does not list the specific rank.
As a BJJ guy myself, I love the original blog that put out the 8th degree article and would normally just trust that, but I'm just not sure if they made a mistake or not, as the transition between a black belt and red-and-black belt occurs between the 6th and 7th degree (see Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ranking system)
I certainly have no agenda here and would simply like to see JJ being attributed his proper rank (whatever that might be), thus I defer to the great power of consensus. So, does anyone have any idea what rank JJ really is or what to do here? Buddy23Lee ( talk) 22:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Sifu Tan Siew Cheng has been nominated for deletion. Does anyone know this person? 65.93.15.213 ( talk) 05:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I have been trying to re-activete and improve WikiProject Kickboxing for some months. I have made some advances and other editors have helped me with the renewal of the project guidelines. But I believe that becoming a fully active project is out of the question since there are very few active members and there are simply too many administrative tasks that can't be handled appropriately with such a small size. So, I proposed to make WikiProject Kickboxing a task force a few months ago here. I also asked advice at the WikiProject Council about this idea (see here), and it was suggested to me that it would be better to become a task force of WikiProject Martial arts instead of WP:SPORT since contributors to sports most likely will not be interested in kickboxing. I would like to know if WikiProject Martial arts would be willing to accept WikiProject Kickboxing as a task force. Jfgslo ( talk) 00:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I have moved WikiProject Kickboxing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force. I also have updated the information and layout there to reflect this change. If editors from this WikiProject have the time, please check the guidelines and let me know what needs to be corrected. I still need to modify this parent project's banner to add Kickboxing task force and other tasks regarding this change, but it will probably take me some time to do that. Jfgslo ( talk) 02:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
|kickboxing=yes
in the talk page banners to add the task force. Now, you'll need to pick a small icon to represent the task force in the banner (to the left of "This article is supported by Kickboxing task force.", under the class. --
Scott Alter (
talk) 05:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello there. I found this article during my new page patrolling. I just want to ask whether this person is notable for Wikipedia (I know nothing about martial arts). -- Vejvančický ( talk | contribs) 11:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
How does one request reassessment of an article's quality rating? Specifically the article about Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū Thanks SanshinkaiAikidoUtrecht ( talk) 18:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anybody here can help me with the article on Wrestlers (sculpture). This statue has always impressed me because it is quite identifiable what is going on in modern terms. In particular, back in my old high-school wrestling days, I would have identified this as a cross-body ride, with a pinning move called the Guillotine imminent (as soon as the lower wrestler's right arm is lifted above the upper wrestler's head). However our article's description was very bland and incorrect. "The two figures are clutching one another, and one seems to have the upper hand, holding the other knelt down and twisting his arm back." I've changed this to "The two figures are wrestling in a position now known as a "cross-body ride" in modern freestyle wrestling. The upper wrestler has his left leg entwined with his opponent's left leg, with his body across the opponent's body, lifting the opponent's right arm.[1] " and even found a fairly reliable reference for "cross-body ride." I'm hoping that somebody here might know of an indisputably reliable reference for this, and perhaps even have one for the Guillotine. Also I'm wondering whether the sentence "The two young men are engaged in the sport called Pankration, a kind of wrestling similar to the present-day sport of "Mixed Martial Arts"." might over-stress the Mixed Martial Arts. Any help appreciated. Smallbones ( talk) 04:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I found a WP:AFC page, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gary Alexander (martial art pioneer), a quick Google check gives the impression that this guy might be notable and worthy of a page but most of the links that I find are not really of RS quality, the references are from an old magazine and this is not my topic, can anyone with more knowledge and access to good references check this page up and possibly accept it if it is OK. -- Stefan talk 00:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Togakure-ryū is a Japanese fighting style that is the basis of ninjutsu and, essentially, all of the modern Japanese fighting styles known today, from Judo to Ju-Jitsu to practically everything. And, yet, the article is pretty darn horrible. I just added the history section myself, that wasn't there before. And it was even put up for deletion two months ago. Since you guys probably know more about it than me, can someone else help out with improving it? Silver seren C 14:41, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys I need help with my article, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ckduk/Cheongye_Kwan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckduk ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
It appears that this article was previously deleted and has been nominated for deletion again. Janggeom ( talk) 14:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I am writing to say that I have talked to the editor who deleted Jake Bostwick and Bashir Ahmad, and he agreed that both pages meet WP:GNG, and because of this he is happy to reinstate the pages, he just wanted either me or the user who requested Bashir Ahmad's reinstatement to write on here to inform you all to prevent future AfD cases against them. BigzMMA ( talk) 15:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I am currently reviewing unassessed martial arts articles, and noticed that there are several articles not following the standard structure. For anyone starting new articles, you might like to be aware that the common sections at the end of an article are See also, then References, and then External links, in that order; see the Wikipedia Manual of Style for more details. Trust this brief note helps. Janggeom ( talk) 16:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Grappling is under discussion. The current page was moved off today to Grappling (martial arts) and a newer page Grappling (FILA) wants to replace it, see Talk:Grappling (FILA). -- 76.65.128.132 ( talk) 23:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe that Japanese kickboxing and American kickboxing should be merged into Kickboxing what are anyone else thoughts? Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I have gone through the list of several hundred unassessed martial arts articles and reviewed most of them over the past few weeks. There are many articles covering kickboxing events (most notably, WAKO) that seem to be no more than routine coverage, would thus fail notability, and so should be deleted. Would anyone from the Kickboxing Taskforce of WPMA like to comment on this situation? Thanks. Janggeom ( talk) 12:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I made what I think are relatively small changes to WP:MANOTE. I changed the section on notability for martial artists--I changed "Olympic medalist" to "Olympic participant", added "world champion of a significant international organization", and changed "finalist, especially a repeated one" to "repeated medalist". I thought this brought the criteria in line with other sports, broadened the criteria, and made things more specific (medalist vs. finalist). If the consensus disagrees, it can be changed back. Jakejr ( talk) 15:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
I need help developing my article: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Rummyness/David_Chan&action=edit
There are notability problems, but I know I'm onto something worthy for wikipedia, especially for the world of martial arts.
I hope you can help me.
Thank you,
Rummyness ( talk) 13:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
This article is in trouble and I don't know how to find help about it. Can somebody here help me? Thank you.
[1] [2] [3]
David Chan (Chan Joe Kee) of Hong Kong is a Chinese internal martial artist who founded the new internal martial style Xinyi Meditation. His Liuhebafa lineage is from Wu YiHui and Chan Yik Yan, and his Yiquan lineage is from Wang Xiangzhai and You Peng Xi. He learned and mastered Liuhebafa, Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, Yang-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Yiquan, in a period of 18 years before going to the Philippines.
David Chan demonstrated his internal martial skills to Mark V. Wiley, a world famous martial arts historian, author, editor, and expert of Filipino Martial Arts. After the demonstration, Mark V. Wiley is noted to have said, "I was then fully convinced of the existence and use of such esoteric and hard-to-find skills, that I continue practicing them to this day." When Mark V. Wiley god married, David Chan was his godfather.
David Chan founded and created the hybrid Xinyi Meditation system, a merging of two internal Chinese martial arts, Liuhebafa and Yiquan. The Xinyi Meditation curriculum is divided into two parts, Skills and Power, which are subdivided again to a total of 6 more sets.
Skills:
1. Liuhebafa
2. Push Hands
3. Combat Skills
Power:
1. Zhanzhuang
2. Strength Trial
3. Power Emission
Between 1976 to 2012, David Chan has taught hundreds of students but only recognizes 4 disciples who have completed the entire Xinyi Meditation system:
1. JR Rodriguez IV
2. Tristan Abara
3. Dylan Halili
4. Emerson Champ
Other achievenments of David Chan was when the famous martial artist Bruce Lee died, David Chan was the first choice selected to double Bruce Lee to finish the movie Game Of Death, along with Yuen Biao, but David Chan left for the Philippiines and wasn't able to end the movie. He was featured in several Chinese articles, newspapers, and magazines during the 1970 for his martial skills with Liuhebafa.
--See also--
--External links and sources--
Rummyness ( talk) 10:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Rummyness ( talk) 10:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Rummyness ( talk) 14:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Rummyness ( talk) 14:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Martial arts will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in martial arts. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 21:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
When the original martial arts article review was started, there were over 225 articles with notability tags. The article review helped reduce this to under 30, but it then mushroomed back up to around 125. I've been working on reducing this number either by adding sources, putting articles up for deletion, or voting on AfDs that others have started. However, lots of articles remain. At User:Papaursa/sandbox there's a relatively current list of all martial arts articles with the notability tag. If you have comments you'd like to make on any of these, please feel free to post it there. I'd like to reduce this list, preferably by keeping articles, but I'm not averse to removal by AfD. Papaursa ( talk) 02:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
The Multiple Issues template has been updated to add an article with a notability tag to Category:All articles with topics of unclear notability. To find Category:Martial arts articles with notability issues, use Catscan to search for the intersection of these two categories [3]. There are currently 124 articles with notability issues. jmcw ( talk) 11:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I see that many biographies of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competitors, for example Saulo Ribeiro, are only under such banners as "WikiProject Brazil" or "WikiProject Biography". If the competitors don't participate in Mixed martial arts, they should belong to "WikiProject Martial arts" too. Is that correct?-- Razionale ( talk) 15:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have been working on Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Carlos "Caique" Elias which had been previously moved to the incubator. I believe the article now, after some work, clearly meets Notability and NPOV guidelines and is ready to move out of incubation back into mainspace. However, I am reluctant to do this unilaterally because I created the article. I would love if members of the WikiProject Martial Arts could take a look at the page, make improvements as needed, and if you feel it's ready for Mainspace, please vote using the \{\{Limbo assessment\}\} macro on the page itself. Thank you! Thechadl ( talk) 05:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
My first Wiki page, and i thought that i could hit it off by telling wiki about Piper. a knife assaulting method from south africa. Same issue as the other topics on this talk page, it must be improved otherwise it will be removed. I find it difficult to source the subject, because the system has been taught by word of mouth up to now. It now has grown and evolved into its own entity and influenced martial art in our country tremendously and i think it can be placed as a stand alone entry on the wiki.
heres the talk page and the wiki entry
There is still allot of information about the system and the importance and impact that it could provide in the evolution of martial arts which i can still add, but first my issue lies in sourcing the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z3n71n3l ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
If you could give me ideas then i can try and search for it or work on creating such a reference. The only evidence i can think off atm, is newspaper articles and online media, blogs, websites dedicated in promoting the system and an e-book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.14.255.105 ( talk) 06:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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I don't wish to start an edit war but I believe Chuck Norris's fight record should be deleted as there is no reliable evidence for his fight record any thoughts people? Dwanyewest ( talk) 22:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Sirs:
There are several Yang style Tai Chi Chuan-related articles that have been marked for deletion for various reasons. While there may be issues with these articles, this sudden activity on this matter seems heavy-handed. While compliance with Wikipedia rules is necessary, it is often difficult to document things according to these requirements, especially since some martial arts have very obscure origins and original publications containing the notability and independent information that can corroborate the articles is very difficult to come by. This, however, doesn't make them less notable or valuable. I don't "own" all the articles in question, but I feel that I must advocate for them. I therefore ask for help in getting these articles back into compliance or advice on how to do this. Several of these articles I would consider a major loss to the body of information that is Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan, a major style of martial art.
The articles in question are:
Please don't let these articles disappear only because this contributor is not very experienced in complying with Wikipedia rules. Bruno talk 03:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I see there are currently several AfDs about lists of martial arts techniques for individual styles, and I though it might be nice if this project came up with a consensus view in general, instead of dealing with each style individually. Most of these articles lack sources, but my real concern is the rationale behind the articles. There are only so many ways to throw a punch or kick, so do we really need lists of the same techniques over and over just because people call them something different? I'd say at most 1 article (on martial arts techniques) would be sufficient. That's my thinking, but I'd like to hear from the rest of you. Papaursa ( talk) 02:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Being Wikipedia:BRAVE, I have created Karate techniques. I have created it with references and will fill it starting next week. I intend it as common ground of all karate styles - style specific techniques could be in the style article. I would appreciate any help and comments. jmcw ( talk) 10:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Last year, we made a concerted effort to review articles and delete those that did not demonstrate sufficient notability. Even though the formal review has ended, I think we now have good momentum on that front. This year, I would like to suggest that we take a new focus: improving existing articles. In particular, our flagship article needs more extensive referencing. If working on that article does not appeal to you, perhaps expanding one of the many Stub-class or Start-class articles might be of interest. This could result in more Did You Know or Good Article recognition being associated with this project. While not forgetting or detracting from the pruning work we undertook last year, and are continuing to do informally, perhaps we can build up Wikipedia in this creative direction. Janggeom ( talk) 15:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't see any significant difference in Japanese kickboxing and American kickboxing that they deserve their own articles I feel they should be merged to Kickboxing thoughts. Dwanyewest ( talk) 02:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The Taijutsu Page has Been Deleted, I need someone with a copy of the page Info. The Page is currently being re-created.
Blue Grey Wolf ( talk) 06:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys, might want to look at the Frank Dux article. I won't reiterate my position on the info trying to be added back into the article here, so nobody will claim canvassing. But since this article falls squarely in this project, it might be worth taking a look at and participating in the discussion. Niteshift36 ( talk) 02:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently added a martial art style to wikipedia Bok Fu. How do we list it amongst other Striking hybrid styles? The most famous practitioner is a WBO title holder, and it spread since 1967 to numerous different schools, mostly in California. There are several notices on the page for different things which I'm working my way though, but as you all probably already know, the martial arts is not the best documented area! Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
( BokFu ( talk) 01:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC))
A new editor has made numerous edits to 'grappling' related articles and
Mixed martial arts fighter bios without any edit summaries. Seems to be pushing a somewhat pro
Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu POV, see
this edit. I welcomed the editor and asked them ({{
summary}}
) to use edit summaries. They blanked their talkpage and continued to edit without a summary. Other editors may wish to take a look to ensure NPOV. Happy Editing! -
220.101
talk
\Contribs 02:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Are we still doing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Article Review or is it now defunct or should it be deleted. ? Dwanyewest ( talk) 14:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I didn't notice that someone had prodded Phillip Rhee. I got it restored. The man easily passes notability. It just needs expanded and sourced a little better. Niteshift36 ( talk) 22:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Drives/2011/February trying to eliminate the backlog of articles needing wikification (since 2008). There are no Martial Arts category articles needing work from 2008. There are a few MA category articles needing wikification: see catscan [1]. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Drives/Instructions for a how-to guide. jmcw ( talk) 14:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Listed on Template:Martial arts are several things that are questionably martial arts: lucha libre and Japanese puroresu. Yes, puroresu has a strong relationship with Japanese MMA and a lot of Japanese pro wrestlers have legitimate training in catch wrestling or other martial arts, but it's still worked, not shoot, and has no body of useful fighting techniques not pulled from the catch or other MA background of the wrestlers. The entry specifically for sport wushu may be open to a similar criticism, since the martial portion of sport wushu- sanda- is already present elsewhere in the template, and what remains- taolu- is approximately as martial as professional wrestling. Is there some kind of consensus or policy somewhere that prevents their removal, or can I go ahead and excise them from the template? - Toptomcat ( talk) 18:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please fix the Nunchaku page, calling them Nunchucks in an encyclopedia is utterly ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.240.249 ( talk) 06:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
In collaboration with Nate, the List of notable Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioners has been lovingly crafted and today moved to article space. It's intended to start a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu list similar to List of judoka, and follows a similar structure. If you have a moment, please review, edit, and criticize it for us. Thanks! :) Buddy23Lee ( talk) 17:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
<ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.ibjjf.org/blackbelts_ibjjf_rank.htm |title=International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation |first= |last={{err|{{AUTHOR MISSING}}}} |work=ibjjf.org |year=2011 [last update] |accessdate=30 March 2011}}</ref>
A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome -- Geneviève ( talk) 22:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I was told at WT:MMA that the above article falls under this project, so here I am. Below is a message I posted at WT:MMA.
This style article is newly created and in need of a bit of help. There is a related thread at AN/I here. The creator, in the past few days, has shown signs that he might have WP:OWNership issues, so be on guard. Cheers, and happy editing. lifebaka ++ 19:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Please consider adding Roderick T. Kobayashi to the list of Notable Students of Koichi Tohei. You may find more information (if you need it?) at www.seidokan.org/history.htm Thank you. Ginnywatts ( talk) 17:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)G. Watts, 04/04/2011
I was looking at MA articles that were tagged for both notability and lack of references and found articles on the following three styles: Araki-ryū, Gyokko-ryū, and Kenkojuku. In the spirit of last year's martial arts article review, I am hoping people can provide comments about whether or not these articles should be put up for AfD. Papaursa ( talk) 02:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
1st pass comments -- Nate t/ c 13:45, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
User:Kurtsayin/Shaolin Kempo Karate is it reallly needed since Shaolin Kempo Karate exists. Dwanyewest ( talk) 01:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the descendant Wikipedia:WikiProject Kickboxing is inactive. I would like to make some improvements to its outdated guidelines but I dare not since I am not an expert at kickboxing and there needs to be a consensus anyway. For that, I have contacted the last active members of that project. I would like to discuss here if anyone would be interested in reactivating that WikiProject or if it would be better to integrate it back with the parent WikiProject Martial arts. Jfgslo ( talk) 13:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Grand slam (Judo), currently a redirect to Judo, has been nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Members of this WikiProject are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 May 29#Grand slam (Judo) where it has been proposed that an article about the series should be written.
I've also created the page Grand Slam (Judo) as a disambiguation page and tagged it for your project. This page can be overwritten with an article about the series if it is felt that is the best location for it. Please comment at the above RfD as well though. Thryduulf ( talk) 22:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
For those who haven't heard Wally Jay, founder of Small Circle JuJitsu, has died after a stroke. I have added a ref. re. his death and expanded a little. More expansion would be nice. Regards, 220.101 talk \Contribs 20:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
We have this guideline here:
One editor claims that this guideline is against MOS:JP. Please join in the talk at Template_talk:Navbox_koryu#English common names are to be used as stated in policies and guidelines. Also posted to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) Thank you, jni ( talk) 14:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Anyone here interested in helping me to submit Araki-ryū to deletion review? Fixing the article with citations from reliable sources should not be too hard to do. Thank you, jni ( talk) 14:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Korea#Taekwondo says that "Besides fighting skills, taekwondo is known to enhance the spirit of the practitioner, through its mind and body training." In what way and is this really neutral to say?-- Razionale ( talk) 15:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hapkido seems to me to be the other best known martial art from Korea beside Taekwondo. But the Korea article only deals with "Ssireum", Korea#Ssireum. Hapkido gets many times more page hits. Shouldn't we replace it?-- Razionale ( talk) 18:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
This is not very encyclopedic, I admit. I checked the Wikipedia article traffic statistics and noted down the page views of this month and these were the top 24. Some results definitely surprised me, perhaps some surprise you too.-- Razionale ( talk) 19:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to this project, but I have noticed that the vast majority of the infoboxes related to martial arts use flagicons in violation of MOS:FLAG. According to the Manual of Style, "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many." However, exceptions include military infoboxes or international competitions. Due to the international nature of most martial arts, it is possible that flagicons would be relevant. But, if they are relevant to use in infoboxes, "The name of a flag's country (or province, etc.) should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag icon, as not all readers are familiar with all flags."-- 3family6 ( talk) 12:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
This is undoubtedly a minor issue, but there seems to be a rather benign dispute going on at the Jean Jacques Machado article regarding his belt rank. In early June, JJ was promoted to a red-and-black belt by Rickson Gracie which was reported early by one source as 8th degree. This came as a bit of a surprise to me and some other editors for a few reasons. First, as far as I knew, JJ was 6th degree before this promotion, making it appear that he has skipped a full rank. Secondly, Rickson is an 8th degree himself and, again as far as I'm aware, a belt rank can only be bestowed by someone of a higher rank (e.g. Rickson would need to be a 9th degree red belt to promote someone to an 8th degree black-and-red belt). Finally, and perhaps more convincingly, there are now some articles on the web stating that JJ was promoted to 7th degree and not 8th. Even his official page mentions the promotion but does not list the specific rank.
As a BJJ guy myself, I love the original blog that put out the 8th degree article and would normally just trust that, but I'm just not sure if they made a mistake or not, as the transition between a black belt and red-and-black belt occurs between the 6th and 7th degree (see Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ranking system)
I certainly have no agenda here and would simply like to see JJ being attributed his proper rank (whatever that might be), thus I defer to the great power of consensus. So, does anyone have any idea what rank JJ really is or what to do here? Buddy23Lee ( talk) 22:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Sifu Tan Siew Cheng has been nominated for deletion. Does anyone know this person? 65.93.15.213 ( talk) 05:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I have been trying to re-activete and improve WikiProject Kickboxing for some months. I have made some advances and other editors have helped me with the renewal of the project guidelines. But I believe that becoming a fully active project is out of the question since there are very few active members and there are simply too many administrative tasks that can't be handled appropriately with such a small size. So, I proposed to make WikiProject Kickboxing a task force a few months ago here. I also asked advice at the WikiProject Council about this idea (see here), and it was suggested to me that it would be better to become a task force of WikiProject Martial arts instead of WP:SPORT since contributors to sports most likely will not be interested in kickboxing. I would like to know if WikiProject Martial arts would be willing to accept WikiProject Kickboxing as a task force. Jfgslo ( talk) 00:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I have moved WikiProject Kickboxing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force. I also have updated the information and layout there to reflect this change. If editors from this WikiProject have the time, please check the guidelines and let me know what needs to be corrected. I still need to modify this parent project's banner to add Kickboxing task force and other tasks regarding this change, but it will probably take me some time to do that. Jfgslo ( talk) 02:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
|kickboxing=yes
in the talk page banners to add the task force. Now, you'll need to pick a small icon to represent the task force in the banner (to the left of "This article is supported by Kickboxing task force.", under the class. --
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talk) 05:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello there. I found this article during my new page patrolling. I just want to ask whether this person is notable for Wikipedia (I know nothing about martial arts). -- Vejvančický ( talk | contribs) 11:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
How does one request reassessment of an article's quality rating? Specifically the article about Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū Thanks SanshinkaiAikidoUtrecht ( talk) 18:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering if anybody here can help me with the article on Wrestlers (sculpture). This statue has always impressed me because it is quite identifiable what is going on in modern terms. In particular, back in my old high-school wrestling days, I would have identified this as a cross-body ride, with a pinning move called the Guillotine imminent (as soon as the lower wrestler's right arm is lifted above the upper wrestler's head). However our article's description was very bland and incorrect. "The two figures are clutching one another, and one seems to have the upper hand, holding the other knelt down and twisting his arm back." I've changed this to "The two figures are wrestling in a position now known as a "cross-body ride" in modern freestyle wrestling. The upper wrestler has his left leg entwined with his opponent's left leg, with his body across the opponent's body, lifting the opponent's right arm.[1] " and even found a fairly reliable reference for "cross-body ride." I'm hoping that somebody here might know of an indisputably reliable reference for this, and perhaps even have one for the Guillotine. Also I'm wondering whether the sentence "The two young men are engaged in the sport called Pankration, a kind of wrestling similar to the present-day sport of "Mixed Martial Arts"." might over-stress the Mixed Martial Arts. Any help appreciated. Smallbones ( talk) 04:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I found a WP:AFC page, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gary Alexander (martial art pioneer), a quick Google check gives the impression that this guy might be notable and worthy of a page but most of the links that I find are not really of RS quality, the references are from an old magazine and this is not my topic, can anyone with more knowledge and access to good references check this page up and possibly accept it if it is OK. -- Stefan talk 00:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Togakure-ryū is a Japanese fighting style that is the basis of ninjutsu and, essentially, all of the modern Japanese fighting styles known today, from Judo to Ju-Jitsu to practically everything. And, yet, the article is pretty darn horrible. I just added the history section myself, that wasn't there before. And it was even put up for deletion two months ago. Since you guys probably know more about it than me, can someone else help out with improving it? Silver seren C 14:41, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys I need help with my article, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ckduk/Cheongye_Kwan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckduk ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
It appears that this article was previously deleted and has been nominated for deletion again. Janggeom ( talk) 14:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I am writing to say that I have talked to the editor who deleted Jake Bostwick and Bashir Ahmad, and he agreed that both pages meet WP:GNG, and because of this he is happy to reinstate the pages, he just wanted either me or the user who requested Bashir Ahmad's reinstatement to write on here to inform you all to prevent future AfD cases against them. BigzMMA ( talk) 15:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I am currently reviewing unassessed martial arts articles, and noticed that there are several articles not following the standard structure. For anyone starting new articles, you might like to be aware that the common sections at the end of an article are See also, then References, and then External links, in that order; see the Wikipedia Manual of Style for more details. Trust this brief note helps. Janggeom ( talk) 16:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Grappling is under discussion. The current page was moved off today to Grappling (martial arts) and a newer page Grappling (FILA) wants to replace it, see Talk:Grappling (FILA). -- 76.65.128.132 ( talk) 23:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe that Japanese kickboxing and American kickboxing should be merged into Kickboxing what are anyone else thoughts? Dwanyewest ( talk) 00:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I have gone through the list of several hundred unassessed martial arts articles and reviewed most of them over the past few weeks. There are many articles covering kickboxing events (most notably, WAKO) that seem to be no more than routine coverage, would thus fail notability, and so should be deleted. Would anyone from the Kickboxing Taskforce of WPMA like to comment on this situation? Thanks. Janggeom ( talk) 12:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I made what I think are relatively small changes to WP:MANOTE. I changed the section on notability for martial artists--I changed "Olympic medalist" to "Olympic participant", added "world champion of a significant international organization", and changed "finalist, especially a repeated one" to "repeated medalist". I thought this brought the criteria in line with other sports, broadened the criteria, and made things more specific (medalist vs. finalist). If the consensus disagrees, it can be changed back. Jakejr ( talk) 15:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
I need help developing my article: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Rummyness/David_Chan&action=edit
There are notability problems, but I know I'm onto something worthy for wikipedia, especially for the world of martial arts.
I hope you can help me.
Thank you,
Rummyness ( talk) 13:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
This article is in trouble and I don't know how to find help about it. Can somebody here help me? Thank you.
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David Chan (Chan Joe Kee) of Hong Kong is a Chinese internal martial artist who founded the new internal martial style Xinyi Meditation. His Liuhebafa lineage is from Wu YiHui and Chan Yik Yan, and his Yiquan lineage is from Wang Xiangzhai and You Peng Xi. He learned and mastered Liuhebafa, Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, Yang-style t'ai chi ch'uan, Yiquan, in a period of 18 years before going to the Philippines.
David Chan demonstrated his internal martial skills to Mark V. Wiley, a world famous martial arts historian, author, editor, and expert of Filipino Martial Arts. After the demonstration, Mark V. Wiley is noted to have said, "I was then fully convinced of the existence and use of such esoteric and hard-to-find skills, that I continue practicing them to this day." When Mark V. Wiley god married, David Chan was his godfather.
David Chan founded and created the hybrid Xinyi Meditation system, a merging of two internal Chinese martial arts, Liuhebafa and Yiquan. The Xinyi Meditation curriculum is divided into two parts, Skills and Power, which are subdivided again to a total of 6 more sets.
Skills:
1. Liuhebafa
2. Push Hands
3. Combat Skills
Power:
1. Zhanzhuang
2. Strength Trial
3. Power Emission
Between 1976 to 2012, David Chan has taught hundreds of students but only recognizes 4 disciples who have completed the entire Xinyi Meditation system:
1. JR Rodriguez IV
2. Tristan Abara
3. Dylan Halili
4. Emerson Champ
Other achievenments of David Chan was when the famous martial artist Bruce Lee died, David Chan was the first choice selected to double Bruce Lee to finish the movie Game Of Death, along with Yuen Biao, but David Chan left for the Philippiines and wasn't able to end the movie. He was featured in several Chinese articles, newspapers, and magazines during the 1970 for his martial skills with Liuhebafa.
--See also--
--External links and sources--
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Rummyness ( talk) 14:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Martial arts will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in martial arts. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch ( talk) 21:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
When the original martial arts article review was started, there were over 225 articles with notability tags. The article review helped reduce this to under 30, but it then mushroomed back up to around 125. I've been working on reducing this number either by adding sources, putting articles up for deletion, or voting on AfDs that others have started. However, lots of articles remain. At User:Papaursa/sandbox there's a relatively current list of all martial arts articles with the notability tag. If you have comments you'd like to make on any of these, please feel free to post it there. I'd like to reduce this list, preferably by keeping articles, but I'm not averse to removal by AfD. Papaursa ( talk) 02:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
The Multiple Issues template has been updated to add an article with a notability tag to Category:All articles with topics of unclear notability. To find Category:Martial arts articles with notability issues, use Catscan to search for the intersection of these two categories [3]. There are currently 124 articles with notability issues. jmcw ( talk) 11:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I see that many biographies of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competitors, for example Saulo Ribeiro, are only under such banners as "WikiProject Brazil" or "WikiProject Biography". If the competitors don't participate in Mixed martial arts, they should belong to "WikiProject Martial arts" too. Is that correct?-- Razionale ( talk) 15:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have been working on Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Carlos "Caique" Elias which had been previously moved to the incubator. I believe the article now, after some work, clearly meets Notability and NPOV guidelines and is ready to move out of incubation back into mainspace. However, I am reluctant to do this unilaterally because I created the article. I would love if members of the WikiProject Martial Arts could take a look at the page, make improvements as needed, and if you feel it's ready for Mainspace, please vote using the \{\{Limbo assessment\}\} macro on the page itself. Thank you! Thechadl ( talk) 05:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
My first Wiki page, and i thought that i could hit it off by telling wiki about Piper. a knife assaulting method from south africa. Same issue as the other topics on this talk page, it must be improved otherwise it will be removed. I find it difficult to source the subject, because the system has been taught by word of mouth up to now. It now has grown and evolved into its own entity and influenced martial art in our country tremendously and i think it can be placed as a stand alone entry on the wiki.
heres the talk page and the wiki entry
There is still allot of information about the system and the importance and impact that it could provide in the evolution of martial arts which i can still add, but first my issue lies in sourcing the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z3n71n3l ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
If you could give me ideas then i can try and search for it or work on creating such a reference. The only evidence i can think off atm, is newspaper articles and online media, blogs, websites dedicated in promoting the system and an e-book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.14.255.105 ( talk) 06:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)