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Importance is something I personally do not feel overwhelming qualified to determine here. Basically, I indicated that all those articles which are included in the Wikipedia free CD release are among the top importance, as they are included in the CD. But, for a project with as wide a scope as this one, that's still very few articles. I like what WikiProject Biography did in creating a group of core biographies, but we aren't quite set up for that here. I would like the idea of permitting us to discuss what are the most importanct articles to us, and think maybe we could set it up so that we as it were vote for the most important articles. In the beginning, maybe we could choose the 100 articles of greatest importance to this project, then possibly somewhat focus on bringing those articles up to at least good article status. I would welcome any suggestions from the rest of you as to what you think should be counted in the top 100 articles for this project, and whether you would like to go ahead with something of this type or not. Thank you. Badbilltucker 21:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
All 16 state articles German Democratic Republic Germany (how far back in history?)
Berlin - Hamburg - Munich - Cologne - Frankfurt (only these 5, others are not top important)
Otto von Bismarck - Adolf Hitler - Konrad Adenauer - Helmut Kohl - Angela Merkel - Horst Köhler - Frederick II of Prussia - Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor - William II, German Emperor Erich Honecker all post 45 Chancelors
Martin Luther - Johannes Gutenberg - Johann Wolfgang Goethe - Friedrich Schiller - Thomas Mann - Johann Sebastian Bach - Immanuel Kant - Friedrich Nietzsche - Karl Marx - Albert Einstein
Oktoberfest German reunification Berlin Wall Rhine Donau Christmas Market
Please comment and expand this list and help select which of the articles at Portal:Germany/Topics really are top importance. Kusma (討論) 22:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Should we have some special attention to vandalism in these articles? I ask after noticing that user:Bb3b_no2 has been removing large amounts of content from Oktoberfest; earlier this week I reverted about a half a day later! Today, I got it a bit quicker, and gave him a warning. But we may want to at least keep a list of articles that we should all watch, to catch this quicker; hopefully before they get buried under other vandalism/vandal revert edits. - Steve Sanbeg 23:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just created what is actually a fairly pathetic looking :( first draft of a project newsletter at Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Outreach/Newsletter, and started the Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Outreach page as well. I hope that all of you feel free to make any comments, additions, and suggestions to both. :) Badbilltucker 23:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This is a mess, as Saxony currently redirects to History of Saxony. It should either point to the article about the current state (my preference) or be a disambiguation page, but the current state of affairs is silly. Kusma (討論) 08:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I am searching for images/pictures/sketches of german scientists for their biographies.
This list is incomplete and I will update soon. IA (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Given that one reason for the low quality of many of the Germany articles is the atrocious English (or Denglish) and the wildly varying terms to describe the same things, I've began a page to compile "best practices" from all the varying places in Wikipedia: Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Conventions and would like to invite comment there. Could one of you clever people please give it a shortcut, e.g. WP:GERS (for German style)? Tacitus 22:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
We will soon, no doubt. One of the hardest rules to defend at Wikipedia is "use the most common English form," because it goes against the culture of competitive pedantry that dominates the whole project, in which everyone wants to prove they are more knowledgeable than the next pedant. Hence the pressure to say Braunschweig instead of Brunswick and to use the wretched "ß" when no-one outside the Wikipedia uberpedants club knows what it means. This must be resisted, or the whole encyclopaedia will become unreadable. Gradually, of course, old English forms are giving way to more "authentic" ones, like Livorno for Leghorn etc, but we should not try to force the pace. Most English-speakers still say Brunswick, Cologne and Munich, and so should we. I would suggest that no-one knows what either Vorpommern or Hither Pomerania means, and that West Pomerania is a reasonable English usage even though it is not an accurate translation. Adam 14:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Adam 14:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that masterly summation. It would be perfectly acceptable to give "Vorpommern" as a proper noun and not try to translate it. We don't translate Westfalen as "Western Phalia." (Was there ever an Ostfalen?) Adam 08:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
And presumably also West Eastphalia. And East Eastphalia. And North-East South-Westphalia. Adam 08:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. I'm not a member of this project, but over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries#A Holy Roman Empire sub-project? I've proposed the creation of a wikiprojcet specifically to deal with the Holy Roman Empire - particularly with coverage of the individual states and estates, but more broadly conceived. I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone is interested. john k 21:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You are very welcome to comment on this city-articleat Wikipedia:Peer review/Berlin/archive1. Is it already mature enough to promote it towards FA-candidate-procedure? Lear 21 13:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hohenheim needs moving to University of ... (or similar); a new stub for the suburb of Stuttguard needs creating and a disambig for the other 2 Hohenheim's that are referenced. Will get around to do it myself if no-one else is faster just leaving this as a reminder. Agathoclea 18:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
When you come across an important topic that should be included but isn't, please don't hesitate to list it here. Kusma (討論) 22:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
The commons version of de:Bild:SED-Logo.png has been deleted. I am not certain whether I should re-upload it here or on commons, but it apparently is PD. In any case, it is certainly fair use here. Any suggestions? Kusma (討論) 13:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello!
I have just posted a major edit of the Peace of Westphalia article. Wikiproject Germany rates this as a High-Importance Article.
I am aiming to put this article forward for good article status at some point, if it under-goes a period of stability as set out in the good article criteria. I would appreciate it if anyone interested in this topic would head over there, check out my explanations in the talk pages, and reccommend/make changes you think are necessary.
Thanks!
Chrisfow 18:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I just managed to create a High- (or potentially Top-)priority Germany article that did not exist yet. Please help me by copyediting my translation, finding more sources and suggesting an interesting fact from the article so it can be featured at Did you know on the Main Page. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 22:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Names of Universities are often translated freely esspecially if there is any official translation used by the universities itself. Is a "Technische Universität" a technical university in English language or an university of technology? The difference just bases on self-image. I would say, that it is POV to imply a translation in the lemmas. Examples of university without of official translation are the
Dresden University of Technology (where I moved the lemma to the german term),
Leibniz University of Hannover (which is the Leibnitz Universität Hannover), the
Berlin University of Technology (which is the Technische Universität Berlin or TU Berlin not declaring whether TU is a german or english acronym) or the
University of Karlsruhe (which is the Universität Karlsruhe (Technische Hochschule)). The only examples of correct (according to official definition) translations that I found are
RWTH Aachen, the
Westsächsische Hochschule Zwickau (FH) (The correct english term is
West Saxon University of Applied Sciences of Zwickau) and the
Otto von Guericke University of Magdeburg.
I think the German names are almost easier to understand than names of French universities like the École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne. This example is in my opinion a role model in many wikipedias. So how to handle the lemmas? Geo-Loge 11:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some more importance assessments and find myself making lots of arbitrary cutoffs. For example, I just decided that cities with more than 300k inhabitants and state capitals are High-importance. Possibly the cutoff should be lower, though (German 100k "Großstadt"?), and especially cities of worldwide fame or touristic importance should be classified quite high.
The "medium vs. low" differentiation also isn't easy. I'm pretty certain that individual U-Bahn stations are Low importance as well as most buildings of only regional significance. I'm currently rating Cathedrals and Universities as "Medium" unless there is something special about them that makes them "High" (like Cologne Cathedral).
I'll try to rate some mathematicians, politicians, physicists, and poets, but would appreciate help with painters, biologists, actors, and lots of other people. Please rate some of these articles, it won't be a problem if the rating is off by 1 or not really consistent, we can try to figure that out later. Right now there are so many unassessed articles that we need more people who have a feeling of what exists and how to classify it. Kusma (討論) 16:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any sort of policy, consensus, or whatever on who and what to include in the project? I happened to notice that Talk:Albert Einstein has a project template but Talk:Henry Kissinger doesn't. -- Boson 20:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Guten tag! (From a Chinese Wikipedian that loves Germany)
I moved the Participants section into the subpage listed on the sidebar. I changed the format of the member page a little bit also so that it looks more organized.
For the talk page, I setted up the archive pages, tables and the auto bot. I will continue to assist on the Germany project. Cheers =) AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 06:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we can start uploading photos of Germany and Germany related topics to help with German related articles. Kingjeff 20:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Got the request section started. And even populated it a little. Kingjeff 21:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
As the scope of the project is so huge, perhaps the sorting in Low/Mid/High importance does need to be more organized than I had previously thought. As a start, I have completely rewritten the importance scale (which was imported from the Trains Wikiproject and didn't really fit our needs) at Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Assessment. It still does not cover everything, of course, and any improvement would be welcome. I think we might have to rerate some Low-importance articles, though - probably most real universities are at least Mid, with some potentially High. "Low" should be reserved for topics of mostly local importance or those that just help cover a larger area comprehensively without being of large independent interest to a general audience. Don't be shy to rate topics as of high or medium importance, I think we should have on the order of 200-500 High-importance and thousands of Mid-importance articles when we have finished rating. Kusma (討論) 20:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have put some stuff in our {{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/to do}} template. If you want to keep up with Germany-related requests, you can add it to your user page. Please help keep it updated and comment on how many requests it should contain. Kusma (討論) 21:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there some point in adding a Category:Unreferenced Germany articles and a parameter in the project template that adds to this category? Kusma (討論) 07:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted everyone to know that there are two new kind of featured content: Featured series and Featured sounds. Series refers to a series of articles, presumably carrying some sort of series sidebar, sounds is fairly obvious. Nomination procedures can be found at the Wikipedia:Featured topics and Wikipedia:Featured sounds pages. Just thought you all might like to know. Badbilltucker 16:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
World War I is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 19:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Kitsch is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 22:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I've proposed WikiProject Munich. If anyone is interested, you can join here Kingjeff 01:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
How about we have an article improvement drive and article refrencing drive? Kingjeff 18:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think that a translation is needed? I started a translation page for WikiProject Munich. Feel free to use this as an example. Kingjeff 23:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks like a couple people have been able to help in this area. Thanks to Boson for doing a real translation. He brought Dachau from a stub into a credible article. Maybe someone can check it out for grammer etc. Anyone willing to help out translating can go here. Kingjeff 00:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking about using Template:German and saw that somebody has just nominated it for deletion. An alternative suggestion was to make it a talk page template. Any views? -- Boson 09:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to import some lists from German Wikipedia? I was thinking of de:Größte Städte Deutschlands, de:Liste der Großstädte in Deutschland, and Liste der größten Agglomerationen in Deutschland If so, I would tend to rate them as High importance (as a navigation aid). -- Boson 09:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I now see there are several existing lists that I had missed because they weren't under [[Category:Lists by country]]. There is even a list of municipalities sorted by population size. I'm still trying to work out the relationships between all the categories, but I'll add [[Category:Germany-related lists]] to [[Category:Lists of cities in Germany]], which also contains List of municipalities in Germany and tag the existing lists. I think the lists may be a bit out of date and some tidying might be necessary.-- Boson 13:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Please help populate Category:Unreferenced Germany articles by using the "unref=yes" switch of the project template. Of course, help in depopulating the category by referencing these articles and removing the switch is even more appreciated :-) Kusma (討論) 10:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Images and maps can now be requested using the {{ WikiProject Germany}} template (see there for instructions). Once the categories are reasonably populated, I'll add some of the requests to our open task template. Kusma (討論) 22:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone added Mario, Duke of Bavaria. Is it a joke? Can anybody check? Kmorozov 06:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the content really does look like a spoof. But do we know if there really is a Bavarian Duke by this name? If there is, then we could create a real article instead of deleting it. Kingjeff 16:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The thing is a hoax. There has never been a Duke of Bavaria named Mario - certainly not in the 10th century. I deleted it. john k 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
As the subject matter is so large, we should have subprojects. I suggest that these should be strongly tied to the main project and use just a switch in the project template. As an experiment, I have started a Mainz task force. Using the example of the Trains WikiProject template, it is even possible to define importance ratings within such a subproject, I haven't done so yet but probably will as my concept of this task force matures a bit. A similar structure could be created for other cities or topical areas like Berlin or German literature if there is interest. Doing this within the Germany project and not as a separate project like the Munich one should help avoid duplicated efforts and too many templates on talk pages. Kusma (討論) 15:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course I couldn't stop myself and have created all of the specific importance categories for Mainz. If they work out well in the template, we'll know how to do it for other subprojects. Kusma (討論) 19:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I guess we can do that. If I can keep the Munich categories. Kingjeff 21:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne should be able to hold their own Projects. Kingjeff 21:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The task forces should be listed along the sidebar Kingjeff 22:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks good for the Munich project. Kingjeff 22:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Indian Standard Time, I've accidentally noted similarity in names of different users participating in the vote & so I guessed that they might be from the same nationality -India. And 6/7 at the time were Indians.
I think that this is an "internal" systemic bias, since Indian articles are written mostly and only by Indian users & they're mostly likely to be the only voters on featured article nominations on India-related articles & in result, making Indian articles attaining featured article status inevitable.
(I want to note that Indians are a special exception from other nationalities in Wikipedia because most of them can speak and write fluent English & thus can participate more in English Wikipedia while other foreigners can't & thus limit their participation in fields related to their nationality/culture & making participation of other third parties more likely.)
I think that there is need for third party, especially across different nationalities. And I would like members of this project to come participate in the vote & read what I've written & what they've replied with & see the article & voice your opinions. Thanks a lot! ( Wikimachine 17:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC))
If you watchlist this page, you should be able to find out about all Germany-related AFD activity with very little effort. If you like it, please help keep this up to date (I currently parse through AFD every day to check if there is anything worth adding, but I'm not sure I catch everything). Kusma (討論) 21:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I see the naming of Fachhochschulen is not yet consistent. Since they don't award doctorates they should, presumably, not be named "University of . . .". I would tend to use the German word Fachhochschule in the article title.
This also applies to the Fachhochschule München, which is named "Munich University of Applied Sciences."
On a related point, what about "Munich University" (as I would normally call it, as opposed to Munich University of Technology). Their Web site does use the English name "Ludig Maximillians University" but, if I am not mistaken, this is a mistranslation. Surely the "s" on Maximillian is a "Fugen-S", which does not exist in English. The only other (unlikely) possibilty would be a possessive, which would require an apostrophe in English. Perhaps, also, some more redirects (e.g."TU . . ." and disambiguation pages/references would be useful (for most Hochschulen). -- Boson 22:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Has been proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/November to organise the 4 page large stub STTW (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
You never know what you're going to get with those little dictators. Kingjeff 18:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just welcomed all members using {{ subst:WelcomeGER}}, which produces
Welcome, WikiProject Germany, to the WikiProject Germany! Please direct any questions about the project to its talk page. If you create new articles on Germany-related topics, please list them at our announcement page and tag their talk page with our project template {{ WikiProject Germany}}. A few features that you might find helpful:
A list of articles needing cleanup associated with this project is available. See also the tool's wiki page and the index of WikiProjects.
Here are some tasks you can do. Please remove completed tasks from the list.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me or any of the more experienced members of the project, and we'll be very happy to help you. Again, welcome, and thank you for joining this project!
Please welcome any new members (those who have added their name to the
Members subpage) using
{{subst:welcomeGER}} ~~~~
.
Kusma
(討論) 16:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Can we justify removing the stub tag and nominate this article for T:DYK? Kusma (討論) 21:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
TSO1D has started cleaning up and condensing the main Germany article and is asking for feedback. Please comment how the article can be condensed and improved further and which sections need what kind of references etc. Kusma (討論) 19:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
My father was wounded badly Feb 23, 1945. He was in Pioneer 729 ss rifle.His name was Charles Jalufka.I was trying to find out more about his life.He passed away in 1995..Thank You chabui
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Importance is something I personally do not feel overwhelming qualified to determine here. Basically, I indicated that all those articles which are included in the Wikipedia free CD release are among the top importance, as they are included in the CD. But, for a project with as wide a scope as this one, that's still very few articles. I like what WikiProject Biography did in creating a group of core biographies, but we aren't quite set up for that here. I would like the idea of permitting us to discuss what are the most importanct articles to us, and think maybe we could set it up so that we as it were vote for the most important articles. In the beginning, maybe we could choose the 100 articles of greatest importance to this project, then possibly somewhat focus on bringing those articles up to at least good article status. I would welcome any suggestions from the rest of you as to what you think should be counted in the top 100 articles for this project, and whether you would like to go ahead with something of this type or not. Thank you. Badbilltucker 21:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
All 16 state articles German Democratic Republic Germany (how far back in history?)
Berlin - Hamburg - Munich - Cologne - Frankfurt (only these 5, others are not top important)
Otto von Bismarck - Adolf Hitler - Konrad Adenauer - Helmut Kohl - Angela Merkel - Horst Köhler - Frederick II of Prussia - Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor - William II, German Emperor Erich Honecker all post 45 Chancelors
Martin Luther - Johannes Gutenberg - Johann Wolfgang Goethe - Friedrich Schiller - Thomas Mann - Johann Sebastian Bach - Immanuel Kant - Friedrich Nietzsche - Karl Marx - Albert Einstein
Oktoberfest German reunification Berlin Wall Rhine Donau Christmas Market
Please comment and expand this list and help select which of the articles at Portal:Germany/Topics really are top importance. Kusma (討論) 22:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Should we have some special attention to vandalism in these articles? I ask after noticing that user:Bb3b_no2 has been removing large amounts of content from Oktoberfest; earlier this week I reverted about a half a day later! Today, I got it a bit quicker, and gave him a warning. But we may want to at least keep a list of articles that we should all watch, to catch this quicker; hopefully before they get buried under other vandalism/vandal revert edits. - Steve Sanbeg 23:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just created what is actually a fairly pathetic looking :( first draft of a project newsletter at Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Outreach/Newsletter, and started the Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Outreach page as well. I hope that all of you feel free to make any comments, additions, and suggestions to both. :) Badbilltucker 23:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This is a mess, as Saxony currently redirects to History of Saxony. It should either point to the article about the current state (my preference) or be a disambiguation page, but the current state of affairs is silly. Kusma (討論) 08:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I am searching for images/pictures/sketches of german scientists for their biographies.
This list is incomplete and I will update soon. IA (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Given that one reason for the low quality of many of the Germany articles is the atrocious English (or Denglish) and the wildly varying terms to describe the same things, I've began a page to compile "best practices" from all the varying places in Wikipedia: Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Conventions and would like to invite comment there. Could one of you clever people please give it a shortcut, e.g. WP:GERS (for German style)? Tacitus 22:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
We will soon, no doubt. One of the hardest rules to defend at Wikipedia is "use the most common English form," because it goes against the culture of competitive pedantry that dominates the whole project, in which everyone wants to prove they are more knowledgeable than the next pedant. Hence the pressure to say Braunschweig instead of Brunswick and to use the wretched "ß" when no-one outside the Wikipedia uberpedants club knows what it means. This must be resisted, or the whole encyclopaedia will become unreadable. Gradually, of course, old English forms are giving way to more "authentic" ones, like Livorno for Leghorn etc, but we should not try to force the pace. Most English-speakers still say Brunswick, Cologne and Munich, and so should we. I would suggest that no-one knows what either Vorpommern or Hither Pomerania means, and that West Pomerania is a reasonable English usage even though it is not an accurate translation. Adam 14:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Adam 14:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that masterly summation. It would be perfectly acceptable to give "Vorpommern" as a proper noun and not try to translate it. We don't translate Westfalen as "Western Phalia." (Was there ever an Ostfalen?) Adam 08:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
And presumably also West Eastphalia. And East Eastphalia. And North-East South-Westphalia. Adam 08:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. I'm not a member of this project, but over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries#A Holy Roman Empire sub-project? I've proposed the creation of a wikiprojcet specifically to deal with the Holy Roman Empire - particularly with coverage of the individual states and estates, but more broadly conceived. I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone is interested. john k 21:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You are very welcome to comment on this city-articleat Wikipedia:Peer review/Berlin/archive1. Is it already mature enough to promote it towards FA-candidate-procedure? Lear 21 13:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hohenheim needs moving to University of ... (or similar); a new stub for the suburb of Stuttguard needs creating and a disambig for the other 2 Hohenheim's that are referenced. Will get around to do it myself if no-one else is faster just leaving this as a reminder. Agathoclea 18:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
When you come across an important topic that should be included but isn't, please don't hesitate to list it here. Kusma (討論) 22:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
The commons version of de:Bild:SED-Logo.png has been deleted. I am not certain whether I should re-upload it here or on commons, but it apparently is PD. In any case, it is certainly fair use here. Any suggestions? Kusma (討論) 13:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello!
I have just posted a major edit of the Peace of Westphalia article. Wikiproject Germany rates this as a High-Importance Article.
I am aiming to put this article forward for good article status at some point, if it under-goes a period of stability as set out in the good article criteria. I would appreciate it if anyone interested in this topic would head over there, check out my explanations in the talk pages, and reccommend/make changes you think are necessary.
Thanks!
Chrisfow 18:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I just managed to create a High- (or potentially Top-)priority Germany article that did not exist yet. Please help me by copyediting my translation, finding more sources and suggesting an interesting fact from the article so it can be featured at Did you know on the Main Page. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 22:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Names of Universities are often translated freely esspecially if there is any official translation used by the universities itself. Is a "Technische Universität" a technical university in English language or an university of technology? The difference just bases on self-image. I would say, that it is POV to imply a translation in the lemmas. Examples of university without of official translation are the
Dresden University of Technology (where I moved the lemma to the german term),
Leibniz University of Hannover (which is the Leibnitz Universität Hannover), the
Berlin University of Technology (which is the Technische Universität Berlin or TU Berlin not declaring whether TU is a german or english acronym) or the
University of Karlsruhe (which is the Universität Karlsruhe (Technische Hochschule)). The only examples of correct (according to official definition) translations that I found are
RWTH Aachen, the
Westsächsische Hochschule Zwickau (FH) (The correct english term is
West Saxon University of Applied Sciences of Zwickau) and the
Otto von Guericke University of Magdeburg.
I think the German names are almost easier to understand than names of French universities like the École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne. This example is in my opinion a role model in many wikipedias. So how to handle the lemmas? Geo-Loge 11:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been doing some more importance assessments and find myself making lots of arbitrary cutoffs. For example, I just decided that cities with more than 300k inhabitants and state capitals are High-importance. Possibly the cutoff should be lower, though (German 100k "Großstadt"?), and especially cities of worldwide fame or touristic importance should be classified quite high.
The "medium vs. low" differentiation also isn't easy. I'm pretty certain that individual U-Bahn stations are Low importance as well as most buildings of only regional significance. I'm currently rating Cathedrals and Universities as "Medium" unless there is something special about them that makes them "High" (like Cologne Cathedral).
I'll try to rate some mathematicians, politicians, physicists, and poets, but would appreciate help with painters, biologists, actors, and lots of other people. Please rate some of these articles, it won't be a problem if the rating is off by 1 or not really consistent, we can try to figure that out later. Right now there are so many unassessed articles that we need more people who have a feeling of what exists and how to classify it. Kusma (討論) 16:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any sort of policy, consensus, or whatever on who and what to include in the project? I happened to notice that Talk:Albert Einstein has a project template but Talk:Henry Kissinger doesn't. -- Boson 20:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Guten tag! (From a Chinese Wikipedian that loves Germany)
I moved the Participants section into the subpage listed on the sidebar. I changed the format of the member page a little bit also so that it looks more organized.
For the talk page, I setted up the archive pages, tables and the auto bot. I will continue to assist on the Germany project. Cheers =) AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 06:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we can start uploading photos of Germany and Germany related topics to help with German related articles. Kingjeff 20:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Got the request section started. And even populated it a little. Kingjeff 21:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
As the scope of the project is so huge, perhaps the sorting in Low/Mid/High importance does need to be more organized than I had previously thought. As a start, I have completely rewritten the importance scale (which was imported from the Trains Wikiproject and didn't really fit our needs) at Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Assessment. It still does not cover everything, of course, and any improvement would be welcome. I think we might have to rerate some Low-importance articles, though - probably most real universities are at least Mid, with some potentially High. "Low" should be reserved for topics of mostly local importance or those that just help cover a larger area comprehensively without being of large independent interest to a general audience. Don't be shy to rate topics as of high or medium importance, I think we should have on the order of 200-500 High-importance and thousands of Mid-importance articles when we have finished rating. Kusma (討論) 20:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have put some stuff in our {{ Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/to do}} template. If you want to keep up with Germany-related requests, you can add it to your user page. Please help keep it updated and comment on how many requests it should contain. Kusma (討論) 21:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there some point in adding a Category:Unreferenced Germany articles and a parameter in the project template that adds to this category? Kusma (討論) 07:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted everyone to know that there are two new kind of featured content: Featured series and Featured sounds. Series refers to a series of articles, presumably carrying some sort of series sidebar, sounds is fairly obvious. Nomination procedures can be found at the Wikipedia:Featured topics and Wikipedia:Featured sounds pages. Just thought you all might like to know. Badbilltucker 16:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
World War I is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 19:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Kitsch is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy ( Talk) 22:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I've proposed WikiProject Munich. If anyone is interested, you can join here Kingjeff 01:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
How about we have an article improvement drive and article refrencing drive? Kingjeff 18:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think that a translation is needed? I started a translation page for WikiProject Munich. Feel free to use this as an example. Kingjeff 23:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks like a couple people have been able to help in this area. Thanks to Boson for doing a real translation. He brought Dachau from a stub into a credible article. Maybe someone can check it out for grammer etc. Anyone willing to help out translating can go here. Kingjeff 00:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking about using Template:German and saw that somebody has just nominated it for deletion. An alternative suggestion was to make it a talk page template. Any views? -- Boson 09:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to import some lists from German Wikipedia? I was thinking of de:Größte Städte Deutschlands, de:Liste der Großstädte in Deutschland, and Liste der größten Agglomerationen in Deutschland If so, I would tend to rate them as High importance (as a navigation aid). -- Boson 09:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I now see there are several existing lists that I had missed because they weren't under [[Category:Lists by country]]. There is even a list of municipalities sorted by population size. I'm still trying to work out the relationships between all the categories, but I'll add [[Category:Germany-related lists]] to [[Category:Lists of cities in Germany]], which also contains List of municipalities in Germany and tag the existing lists. I think the lists may be a bit out of date and some tidying might be necessary.-- Boson 13:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Please help populate Category:Unreferenced Germany articles by using the "unref=yes" switch of the project template. Of course, help in depopulating the category by referencing these articles and removing the switch is even more appreciated :-) Kusma (討論) 10:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Images and maps can now be requested using the {{ WikiProject Germany}} template (see there for instructions). Once the categories are reasonably populated, I'll add some of the requests to our open task template. Kusma (討論) 22:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone added Mario, Duke of Bavaria. Is it a joke? Can anybody check? Kmorozov 06:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the content really does look like a spoof. But do we know if there really is a Bavarian Duke by this name? If there is, then we could create a real article instead of deleting it. Kingjeff 16:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The thing is a hoax. There has never been a Duke of Bavaria named Mario - certainly not in the 10th century. I deleted it. john k 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
As the subject matter is so large, we should have subprojects. I suggest that these should be strongly tied to the main project and use just a switch in the project template. As an experiment, I have started a Mainz task force. Using the example of the Trains WikiProject template, it is even possible to define importance ratings within such a subproject, I haven't done so yet but probably will as my concept of this task force matures a bit. A similar structure could be created for other cities or topical areas like Berlin or German literature if there is interest. Doing this within the Germany project and not as a separate project like the Munich one should help avoid duplicated efforts and too many templates on talk pages. Kusma (討論) 15:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course I couldn't stop myself and have created all of the specific importance categories for Mainz. If they work out well in the template, we'll know how to do it for other subprojects. Kusma (討論) 19:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I guess we can do that. If I can keep the Munich categories. Kingjeff 21:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne should be able to hold their own Projects. Kingjeff 21:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The task forces should be listed along the sidebar Kingjeff 22:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks good for the Munich project. Kingjeff 22:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Indian Standard Time, I've accidentally noted similarity in names of different users participating in the vote & so I guessed that they might be from the same nationality -India. And 6/7 at the time were Indians.
I think that this is an "internal" systemic bias, since Indian articles are written mostly and only by Indian users & they're mostly likely to be the only voters on featured article nominations on India-related articles & in result, making Indian articles attaining featured article status inevitable.
(I want to note that Indians are a special exception from other nationalities in Wikipedia because most of them can speak and write fluent English & thus can participate more in English Wikipedia while other foreigners can't & thus limit their participation in fields related to their nationality/culture & making participation of other third parties more likely.)
I think that there is need for third party, especially across different nationalities. And I would like members of this project to come participate in the vote & read what I've written & what they've replied with & see the article & voice your opinions. Thanks a lot! ( Wikimachine 17:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC))
If you watchlist this page, you should be able to find out about all Germany-related AFD activity with very little effort. If you like it, please help keep this up to date (I currently parse through AFD every day to check if there is anything worth adding, but I'm not sure I catch everything). Kusma (討論) 21:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I see the naming of Fachhochschulen is not yet consistent. Since they don't award doctorates they should, presumably, not be named "University of . . .". I would tend to use the German word Fachhochschule in the article title.
This also applies to the Fachhochschule München, which is named "Munich University of Applied Sciences."
On a related point, what about "Munich University" (as I would normally call it, as opposed to Munich University of Technology). Their Web site does use the English name "Ludig Maximillians University" but, if I am not mistaken, this is a mistranslation. Surely the "s" on Maximillian is a "Fugen-S", which does not exist in English. The only other (unlikely) possibilty would be a possessive, which would require an apostrophe in English. Perhaps, also, some more redirects (e.g."TU . . ." and disambiguation pages/references would be useful (for most Hochschulen). -- Boson 22:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Has been proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/November to organise the 4 page large stub STTW (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
You never know what you're going to get with those little dictators. Kingjeff 18:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just welcomed all members using {{ subst:WelcomeGER}}, which produces
Welcome, WikiProject Germany, to the WikiProject Germany! Please direct any questions about the project to its talk page. If you create new articles on Germany-related topics, please list them at our announcement page and tag their talk page with our project template {{ WikiProject Germany}}. A few features that you might find helpful:
A list of articles needing cleanup associated with this project is available. See also the tool's wiki page and the index of WikiProjects.
Here are some tasks you can do. Please remove completed tasks from the list.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me or any of the more experienced members of the project, and we'll be very happy to help you. Again, welcome, and thank you for joining this project!
Please welcome any new members (those who have added their name to the
Members subpage) using
{{subst:welcomeGER}} ~~~~
.
Kusma
(討論) 16:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Can we justify removing the stub tag and nominate this article for T:DYK? Kusma (討論) 21:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
TSO1D has started cleaning up and condensing the main Germany article and is asking for feedback. Please comment how the article can be condensed and improved further and which sections need what kind of references etc. Kusma (討論) 19:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
My father was wounded badly Feb 23, 1945. He was in Pioneer 729 ss rifle.His name was Charles Jalufka.I was trying to find out more about his life.He passed away in 1995..Thank You chabui