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Hi there. I've removed and rewritten a lot of the content from this article for several reasons:
I looked around a little and tried to find some valid references that could be used instead but I was unable to find much. Perhaps someone else would like to look into this further?
– el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 22:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Here is my response
Hi. On second thought, I have decided to nominate this article for deletion. Please see the AfD discussion page here. Thanks. el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 09:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I think that your unwillingness to work towards making this article better truely shows what kind of editor you are. Anyway if this article is to go away fine there isn't much I can do about it because hardly anyone has heard of binarism and no one on the binary could truely understand the binary privilege that they have. All in all I have no hard feelings towards you only towards the system of discrimination in our society.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 09:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. As far as I can see, the use of the term "binarism" with the definition of "discrimination towards those who fall outside of the gender binary" is a neologism (see WP:NEO). In the published literature, the terms "gender binarism" (or simply "binarism") and "gender binary" are used almost exclusively as synonyms of one another. Out of the thousands of hits for "binarism" that I came across in the literature, I was only able to find a mere handful at best that employed the term with the aforementioned definition rather than simply as a synonym for "gender binary", and none that actually explicitly defined the term as such (again, see WP:NEO for why this is of importance). Indeed, I would not be surprised if (and in fact I think it's likely that) no such sources even exist at present.
As far as I can see, the use of the term "binarism" with the definition claimed by this article is a very recent phenomenon which has been promulgated almost entirely by several bloggers in the transgender-associated blogosphere and via other non-published, potentially unreliable online sources. (In fact, this article initially cited these blogs as sources for the definition of "binarism" as such, but as per WP:RS and WP:SPS (i.e., due to being non-published/unreliable sources), they have since been removed.) This is somewhat unfortunate, as I agree, "binarism" would be a potentially nice term to use to describe the phenomenon in question. But because I'm virtually positive that it's currently a neologism, and because the published literature almost exclusively uses the term instead simply as a synonym for "gender binary", I feel that the employment of the term with the definition given in this article is not appropriate. Please see the relevant excerpts of WP:NEO, which I have included and emphasized here:
Articles on neologisms are commonly deleted, as these articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term. [...]
Some neologisms can be in frequent use, and it may be possible to pull together many facts about a particular term and show evidence of its usage on the Internet or in larger society. To support an article about a particular term or concept we must cite what reliable secondary sources, such as books and papers, say about the term or concept, not books and papers that use the term. An editor's personal observations and research (e.g. finding blogs, books, and articles that use the term rather than are about the term) are insufficient to support articles on neologisms because this may require analysis and synthesis of primary source material to advance a position, which is explicitly prohibited by the original research policy.
Neologisms that are in wide use but for which there are no treatments in secondary sources are not yet ready for use and coverage in Wikipedia. The term does not need to be in Wikipedia in order to be a "true" term, and when secondary sources become available, it will be appropriate to create an article on the topic, or use the term within other articles.
In a few cases, there will be notable topics which are well-documented in reliable sources, but for which no accepted short-hand term exists. It can be tempting to employ a neologism in such a case. Instead, it is preferable to use a title that is a descriptive phrase in plain English if possible, even if this makes for a somewhat long or awkward title.
Taken together, I feel that this article should be renamed (to something like "non-binary discrimination" or "discrimination due to the gender binary" perhaps) and modified accordingly. If no one objects, I'll be going ahead and making the changes soon myself. And if anyone does object (frankly, I'm looking at you Rainbowofpeace), in order to justify the continued use of the term here, I ask that they please provide valid secondary sources from the published literature which explicitly define "binarism" (or "gender binarism") with the definition employed by this article. Otherwise, if no valid sources are ultimately provided — even if there are any objections — as per WP:NEO, and hence Wikipedia policies, I will be going ahead and making the changes.
Thanks. – el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 05:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Can't I at least ask for some time to find some sources before you bully me into changing my article.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 07:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I recently renamed this article from "Binarism" to "Discrimination towards non-binary transgender persons" as per WP:NEO (see above). Rainbowofpeace then proceeded to rename the article to "Non-Binary Discrimination". While "Non-binary discrimination" is a title I suggested myself before, I now feel that it is not a good choice as it is very ambiguous and (in my opinion) sounds like some sort of scientific term at first glance. As per WP:TITLE, article titles on Wikipedia should be precise and unambiguous, as well as descriptive when necessary, to the extent that a given individual should be able to tell exactly what a given article is about solely via its title (which I feel is not the case with "non-binary discrimination"). Also, see this excerpt from WP:NEO: "In a few cases, there will be notable topics which are well-documented in reliable sources, but for which no accepted short-hand term exists. It can be tempting to employ a neologism in such a case. Instead, it is preferable to use a title that is a descriptive phrase in plain English if possible, even if this makes for a somewhat long or awkward title." Finally, in my opinion, because it is so overly concise, the term "non-binary discrimination" could actually be interpreted as somewhat of a neologism itself, which is another reason why I feel that it should be avoided.
For these reasons, I'll be changing the title back to "Discrimination towards non-binary transgender persons".
To Rainbowofpeace: if you have any issues with this change, please discuss your thoughts here with me. I am open to another rename, but only after proper discussion and consensus.
Thanks. – el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 08:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
[...] suggest you read the genderqueer article so you will know more about genderqueer and other non-binary identities.
Websters gives the following definition of Binarism: " a mode of thought predicated on stable oppositions (as good and evil or male and female) that is seen in post-structuralist analysis as an inadequate approach to areas of difference; also : a specific dichotomy subscribed to or reinforced in such thought <the binarism of West and East>." Yet Wikipedia equates " Binarism" solely with gender, which is just plain wrong. This article reads like jibberish to anyone not involved in gay (LGBTetc) activism. Ridingdog ( talk) 14:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I just came here to say that the name is terrible in general! :D No one would say "discrimination towards female gender persons", for example, would they? Non-binary is just an adjective. There is no equivalent to "man" or "woman", except for "nonbinary people", but I don't get why the "gender persons" is there at all. I wouldn't say "I'm a non-binary gender person", I'd say "I'm a non-binary person" or (more likely) "I'm non-binary." "Persons" as a word is generally only seen in legal texts. So I think this article should be renamed "Discrimination towards non-binary people." -- Cassolotl ( talk) pronouns: they/them 12:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
This article should be merged with the re-created Cissexism article, per WP:Content fork. I would suggest that it be WP:Merged with the Genderism article, but I will soon seek that the Genderism article be WP:Merged with the Gender binary article, per WP:Content fork and WP:Neologism. Flyer22 ( talk) 01:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi I'd potentially like to rework this page. I feel that the specific ways non-binary people face discrimination really need to be expanded upon. I have some potential sources on my user page; however, a few of them focus more on issues of transgender people rather than non-binary people, so any suggestions for sources would be appreciated! Abergin13 ( talk) 00:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I propose to edit the "Social" content of this page. I believe that it requires worldwide views on this topic, as there is only general information on how non-binary gender people are socially discriminated. I would also like to add examples of unfair treatment from different parts of the world and regional perspectives on this community. Thank you very much. — Preceding
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Hello! For my Women and Gender Studies course, I will be spending the next few months expanding this page. As of right now, I am looking to add more specificity and concrete examples of discrimination, namely in the fields of legal recognition and health care. Hopefully this will allow more attention to be given to this subject. April ahmed ( talk) 18:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
After receiving critiques from my peers and instructor, I've incorporated my additions onto the main page. Please let me know if there are any alterations that need to be made. Thank you so much. April ahmed ( talk) 21:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I am working on finding more sources for this piece in order to provide it with less bias and more factual information surrounding the discrimination non-binary people face. Below are some of the articles that I plan on using to create more citations and potentially add more information.
[1] "Gendered Violence and International Human Rights: Thinking Non-discrimination Beyond the Sex Binary"
[2] "Intersections of gender and intimacy in the lives of transgender people with non-binary gender identities"
[3] "‘For Fun’: (De) Humanizing Gisberta—The Violence of Binary Gender Social Representation"
[4] "Challenging cisgenderism in the ageing and aged care sector: Meeting the needs of older people of trans and/or non-binary experience"
Jacquelinerivera13 ( talk) 21:30, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Undeniably, non-binary people is a hot topic recently, but it's a complicated one as well. In addition, It's especially hard to define various kinds of identities. The article introduces current situation non-binary people is facing in different countries. From my perspective, it's significant to let the audience know how non-binary people is treated differently across the world due to culture difference. However, we must admit that non-binary people's life has been improved recently thanks to many individuals and organizations' contribution. If the article can contain the progress and improvement non-binary people is experiencing and the contributory factors behind it, the article will be more comprehensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bibibiwyy ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Moved the page to use the correct preposition in the title. "Discrimination against" is over 100 times as common as "discrimination towards". In addition, the latter term is misleading, because it is possible to unduly discriminate in favor of some group, but that is not what this article is about. Mathglot ( talk) 20:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Multiple IP editors have recently made an edit stating "However, the definition of "phobia" is "having irrational fear of something", which, in this case, is a totally false narrative", and citing a dictionary definition ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). I and other editors have reverted. The "totally false narrative" line is WP:Original research and fails WP:Neutral point of view. The dictionary definition of "phobia" cited does not relate specifically to the lead of this article, where the edit has been repeatedly inserted. Please discuss here before continuing to edit war. Funcrunch ( talk) 19:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I note that as of 18:22, 20 July 2017, Vsmith has protected the article for "Persistent disruptive editing" [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 18:22, 30 July 2017) [Move=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 18:22, 30 July 2017)."
This follows an edit-war in July 2017( history) regarding the definitions of words like "homophobia" or "transphobia" put forward by various IP editors. This eventually led to an Edit-warring notice at ANI, and the article protection soon followed. Mathglot ( talk) 22:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to remove "gender" and certainly no consensus at all about where the article should go. Most people seemed to support pluralizing "persons" to "people" but I certainly don't feel comfortable making that move. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 00:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Discrimination against non-binary gender persons → Discrimination against non-binary people – "Non-binary gender persons" is so awkward. No one would say "discrimination against female gender persons" when talking about discrimination against women. The use of "persons" is overly formal, and the use of "gender" is redundant. There is no way a person can be non-binary other than in terms of gender. So the proposed move meets the goals of consistency, naturalness, and precision. -- Cassolotl ( talk) pronouns: they/them 12:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Genderqueer, also known as non-binary, is a catch-all category for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine—identities which are outside the gender binary and cisnormativity.jamacfarlane ( talk) 23:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Red Slash, I have moved the article to "people". jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 16:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Discrimination against non-binary gender people → Discrimination against non-binary people – I don't think the construction of "non-binary gender people" is used in common parlance; it's typically either "non-binary people" or, more rarely, "gender-nonbinary people", but almost never "non-binary gender people". "Non-binary people" thus pass the "naturalness"/"conciseness" test, as per -sche in the previous discussion. Incidentally, I can't see a consensus myself in the previous discussion (only one person in the above discussion actually argued on the substantive point on the use of "gender" in the title; the only other opposition was reheated transphobia), but its age means that seeking a reversal or overturning without a new move request will probably be a waste of time for everyone involved.. Sceptre ( talk) 15:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Category:Transphobia Vulture (a.k.a. Transandrosupport) ( talk) 16:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
This article mentions like only four countries this UK, USA, Australia, and Canada. All of these are English countries.
Where are other countries for this thing? I think I may have to tag this article with the Globalize template. CycoMa ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hi there. I've removed and rewritten a lot of the content from this article for several reasons:
I looked around a little and tried to find some valid references that could be used instead but I was unable to find much. Perhaps someone else would like to look into this further?
– el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 22:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Here is my response
Hi. On second thought, I have decided to nominate this article for deletion. Please see the AfD discussion page here. Thanks. el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 09:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I think that your unwillingness to work towards making this article better truely shows what kind of editor you are. Anyway if this article is to go away fine there isn't much I can do about it because hardly anyone has heard of binarism and no one on the binary could truely understand the binary privilege that they have. All in all I have no hard feelings towards you only towards the system of discrimination in our society.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 09:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone. As far as I can see, the use of the term "binarism" with the definition of "discrimination towards those who fall outside of the gender binary" is a neologism (see WP:NEO). In the published literature, the terms "gender binarism" (or simply "binarism") and "gender binary" are used almost exclusively as synonyms of one another. Out of the thousands of hits for "binarism" that I came across in the literature, I was only able to find a mere handful at best that employed the term with the aforementioned definition rather than simply as a synonym for "gender binary", and none that actually explicitly defined the term as such (again, see WP:NEO for why this is of importance). Indeed, I would not be surprised if (and in fact I think it's likely that) no such sources even exist at present.
As far as I can see, the use of the term "binarism" with the definition claimed by this article is a very recent phenomenon which has been promulgated almost entirely by several bloggers in the transgender-associated blogosphere and via other non-published, potentially unreliable online sources. (In fact, this article initially cited these blogs as sources for the definition of "binarism" as such, but as per WP:RS and WP:SPS (i.e., due to being non-published/unreliable sources), they have since been removed.) This is somewhat unfortunate, as I agree, "binarism" would be a potentially nice term to use to describe the phenomenon in question. But because I'm virtually positive that it's currently a neologism, and because the published literature almost exclusively uses the term instead simply as a synonym for "gender binary", I feel that the employment of the term with the definition given in this article is not appropriate. Please see the relevant excerpts of WP:NEO, which I have included and emphasized here:
Articles on neologisms are commonly deleted, as these articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term. [...]
Some neologisms can be in frequent use, and it may be possible to pull together many facts about a particular term and show evidence of its usage on the Internet or in larger society. To support an article about a particular term or concept we must cite what reliable secondary sources, such as books and papers, say about the term or concept, not books and papers that use the term. An editor's personal observations and research (e.g. finding blogs, books, and articles that use the term rather than are about the term) are insufficient to support articles on neologisms because this may require analysis and synthesis of primary source material to advance a position, which is explicitly prohibited by the original research policy.
Neologisms that are in wide use but for which there are no treatments in secondary sources are not yet ready for use and coverage in Wikipedia. The term does not need to be in Wikipedia in order to be a "true" term, and when secondary sources become available, it will be appropriate to create an article on the topic, or use the term within other articles.
In a few cases, there will be notable topics which are well-documented in reliable sources, but for which no accepted short-hand term exists. It can be tempting to employ a neologism in such a case. Instead, it is preferable to use a title that is a descriptive phrase in plain English if possible, even if this makes for a somewhat long or awkward title.
Taken together, I feel that this article should be renamed (to something like "non-binary discrimination" or "discrimination due to the gender binary" perhaps) and modified accordingly. If no one objects, I'll be going ahead and making the changes soon myself. And if anyone does object (frankly, I'm looking at you Rainbowofpeace), in order to justify the continued use of the term here, I ask that they please provide valid secondary sources from the published literature which explicitly define "binarism" (or "gender binarism") with the definition employed by this article. Otherwise, if no valid sources are ultimately provided — even if there are any objections — as per WP:NEO, and hence Wikipedia policies, I will be going ahead and making the changes.
Thanks. – el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 05:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Can't I at least ask for some time to find some sources before you bully me into changing my article.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 07:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I recently renamed this article from "Binarism" to "Discrimination towards non-binary transgender persons" as per WP:NEO (see above). Rainbowofpeace then proceeded to rename the article to "Non-Binary Discrimination". While "Non-binary discrimination" is a title I suggested myself before, I now feel that it is not a good choice as it is very ambiguous and (in my opinion) sounds like some sort of scientific term at first glance. As per WP:TITLE, article titles on Wikipedia should be precise and unambiguous, as well as descriptive when necessary, to the extent that a given individual should be able to tell exactly what a given article is about solely via its title (which I feel is not the case with "non-binary discrimination"). Also, see this excerpt from WP:NEO: "In a few cases, there will be notable topics which are well-documented in reliable sources, but for which no accepted short-hand term exists. It can be tempting to employ a neologism in such a case. Instead, it is preferable to use a title that is a descriptive phrase in plain English if possible, even if this makes for a somewhat long or awkward title." Finally, in my opinion, because it is so overly concise, the term "non-binary discrimination" could actually be interpreted as somewhat of a neologism itself, which is another reason why I feel that it should be avoided.
For these reasons, I'll be changing the title back to "Discrimination towards non-binary transgender persons".
To Rainbowofpeace: if you have any issues with this change, please discuss your thoughts here with me. I am open to another rename, but only after proper discussion and consensus.
Thanks. – el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 08:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
[...] suggest you read the genderqueer article so you will know more about genderqueer and other non-binary identities.
Websters gives the following definition of Binarism: " a mode of thought predicated on stable oppositions (as good and evil or male and female) that is seen in post-structuralist analysis as an inadequate approach to areas of difference; also : a specific dichotomy subscribed to or reinforced in such thought <the binarism of West and East>." Yet Wikipedia equates " Binarism" solely with gender, which is just plain wrong. This article reads like jibberish to anyone not involved in gay (LGBTetc) activism. Ridingdog ( talk) 14:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I just came here to say that the name is terrible in general! :D No one would say "discrimination towards female gender persons", for example, would they? Non-binary is just an adjective. There is no equivalent to "man" or "woman", except for "nonbinary people", but I don't get why the "gender persons" is there at all. I wouldn't say "I'm a non-binary gender person", I'd say "I'm a non-binary person" or (more likely) "I'm non-binary." "Persons" as a word is generally only seen in legal texts. So I think this article should be renamed "Discrimination towards non-binary people." -- Cassolotl ( talk) pronouns: they/them 12:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
This article should be merged with the re-created Cissexism article, per WP:Content fork. I would suggest that it be WP:Merged with the Genderism article, but I will soon seek that the Genderism article be WP:Merged with the Gender binary article, per WP:Content fork and WP:Neologism. Flyer22 ( talk) 01:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi I'd potentially like to rework this page. I feel that the specific ways non-binary people face discrimination really need to be expanded upon. I have some potential sources on my user page; however, a few of them focus more on issues of transgender people rather than non-binary people, so any suggestions for sources would be appreciated! Abergin13 ( talk) 00:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I propose to edit the "Social" content of this page. I believe that it requires worldwide views on this topic, as there is only general information on how non-binary gender people are socially discriminated. I would also like to add examples of unfair treatment from different parts of the world and regional perspectives on this community. Thank you very much. — Preceding
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Rvalitov (
talk •
contribs) 02:50, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello! For my Women and Gender Studies course, I will be spending the next few months expanding this page. As of right now, I am looking to add more specificity and concrete examples of discrimination, namely in the fields of legal recognition and health care. Hopefully this will allow more attention to be given to this subject. April ahmed ( talk) 18:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
After receiving critiques from my peers and instructor, I've incorporated my additions onto the main page. Please let me know if there are any alterations that need to be made. Thank you so much. April ahmed ( talk) 21:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I am working on finding more sources for this piece in order to provide it with less bias and more factual information surrounding the discrimination non-binary people face. Below are some of the articles that I plan on using to create more citations and potentially add more information.
[1] "Gendered Violence and International Human Rights: Thinking Non-discrimination Beyond the Sex Binary"
[2] "Intersections of gender and intimacy in the lives of transgender people with non-binary gender identities"
[3] "‘For Fun’: (De) Humanizing Gisberta—The Violence of Binary Gender Social Representation"
[4] "Challenging cisgenderism in the ageing and aged care sector: Meeting the needs of older people of trans and/or non-binary experience"
Jacquelinerivera13 ( talk) 21:30, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Undeniably, non-binary people is a hot topic recently, but it's a complicated one as well. In addition, It's especially hard to define various kinds of identities. The article introduces current situation non-binary people is facing in different countries. From my perspective, it's significant to let the audience know how non-binary people is treated differently across the world due to culture difference. However, we must admit that non-binary people's life has been improved recently thanks to many individuals and organizations' contribution. If the article can contain the progress and improvement non-binary people is experiencing and the contributory factors behind it, the article will be more comprehensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bibibiwyy ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Moved the page to use the correct preposition in the title. "Discrimination against" is over 100 times as common as "discrimination towards". In addition, the latter term is misleading, because it is possible to unduly discriminate in favor of some group, but that is not what this article is about. Mathglot ( talk) 20:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Multiple IP editors have recently made an edit stating "However, the definition of "phobia" is "having irrational fear of something", which, in this case, is a totally false narrative", and citing a dictionary definition ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). I and other editors have reverted. The "totally false narrative" line is WP:Original research and fails WP:Neutral point of view. The dictionary definition of "phobia" cited does not relate specifically to the lead of this article, where the edit has been repeatedly inserted. Please discuss here before continuing to edit war. Funcrunch ( talk) 19:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I note that as of 18:22, 20 July 2017, Vsmith has protected the article for "Persistent disruptive editing" [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 18:22, 30 July 2017) [Move=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 18:22, 30 July 2017)."
This follows an edit-war in July 2017( history) regarding the definitions of words like "homophobia" or "transphobia" put forward by various IP editors. This eventually led to an Edit-warring notice at ANI, and the article protection soon followed. Mathglot ( talk) 22:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to remove "gender" and certainly no consensus at all about where the article should go. Most people seemed to support pluralizing "persons" to "people" but I certainly don't feel comfortable making that move. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 00:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Discrimination against non-binary gender persons → Discrimination against non-binary people – "Non-binary gender persons" is so awkward. No one would say "discrimination against female gender persons" when talking about discrimination against women. The use of "persons" is overly formal, and the use of "gender" is redundant. There is no way a person can be non-binary other than in terms of gender. So the proposed move meets the goals of consistency, naturalness, and precision. -- Cassolotl ( talk) pronouns: they/them 12:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Genderqueer, also known as non-binary, is a catch-all category for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine—identities which are outside the gender binary and cisnormativity.jamacfarlane ( talk) 23:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Red Slash, I have moved the article to "people". jamacfarlane ( talk) 00:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 16:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Discrimination against non-binary gender people → Discrimination against non-binary people – I don't think the construction of "non-binary gender people" is used in common parlance; it's typically either "non-binary people" or, more rarely, "gender-nonbinary people", but almost never "non-binary gender people". "Non-binary people" thus pass the "naturalness"/"conciseness" test, as per -sche in the previous discussion. Incidentally, I can't see a consensus myself in the previous discussion (only one person in the above discussion actually argued on the substantive point on the use of "gender" in the title; the only other opposition was reheated transphobia), but its age means that seeking a reversal or overturning without a new move request will probably be a waste of time for everyone involved.. Sceptre ( talk) 15:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Category:Transphobia Vulture (a.k.a. Transandrosupport) ( talk) 16:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
This article mentions like only four countries this UK, USA, Australia, and Canada. All of these are English countries.
Where are other countries for this thing? I think I may have to tag this article with the Globalize template. CycoMa ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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