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I can't help but notice (from hitting "Random page" over and over) that Wikipedia is chock full of information about Tolkien's universe, and that a bunch of it mirrors how Wikipedia treats the real universe. For example, just like there is a List of Danish monarchs, there is also a list of Kings of Gondor. And if you look at, say, the page of the Gondorian king Atanatar II, you'll see one of those "preceded by/followed by" boxes, just like on the page of Eric VI of Denmark. So clearly, these Tolkien fans have put quite a bit of effort into their corner of Wikipedia. Furthermore, many and quite possibly most of these Tolkien-related pages mention some year or years in the fictional timeline. So, although I'm not particularly into Tolkien myself, I wonder if people would like to have "Tolkien years" pages similar to the existing "real years" pages (and similarly, decades pages, centuries pages, et cetera, and potentially stuff like "Middle-earth leaders by year" to echo the real life "leaders by year" pages). Tolkien pages could then link to [[2037 TA]] (i.e. "2037 Third Age"), for example, instead of just having it be plain text. If so, clearly a bot would be the way to go to build the base year/decade/century/etc. pages, which could then be populated by Tolkien fans at leisure. If people are interested, and there's not significant opposition, I might be willing to write such a bot (no promises yet). So, any interest or opposition? - Rwv37 06:33, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:List_of_encyclopedia_topics lists many, if not mostly, topics which should be redirects or diambig pages. Some are very obvious, such as all the counties. Other articles have been deemed so seldom worthy of entry to be siphoned off into another page (that is, the list of viruses.) Therefore, I'd like to write a script to do the following things:
I would try to make the script to edit each page on the list of topics once, but it would in all likelihood create thousands of redirect/disambig pages. The vast majority of these would be orphans. This has been discussed at Wikipedia talk:List of encyclopedia topics. Basically, if the orphans are kosher, I think a script should be made to eliminate the easy ones. If they're a bad idea, I think this should be made immediately clear. CHL 04:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I'd like permission to run the bot us-states.py, written by Andre Engels, on the account User:Sethbot. Request has also been made on meta:Requests for permissions. -- Seth Ilys 23:11, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Just to clarify... What this bot is designed to do is to create redirects from "CityName, SN" to "CityName, State Name" so that, for instance, Santa Monica, CA points to Santa Monica, California, for all 30k Rambot articles, so that people can use the familiar US postal code abbreviations to locate the Rambot city articles. There are a couple sample redirects on the account User:Sethbot from when I tested the bot, so you can see exactly what it does. -- Seth Ilys 04:21, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
If you plan on converting CA into a redirect to California or Canada replacing the list of multiple uses we currently have (see also Disambiguation and abbreviations ) I don't see the advantage .. If you just want to add redirects as suggested on Talk:ISO_3166-2 (end of page) this may help, but the issue raised at the beginning of the page may stil need to be resolved. -- User:Docu
I just wanted to add my thoughts here. The sethbot is great and all, but one must make sure what when redirecting from [[City, ST]] to [[City, State]] that the [[City, State]] article is not a disambiguation page. In the situation where there is more than one City in the same state with the same name, then that page should be a disambiguation page, not a redirect. I have the full database of all the names of the cities in my database and in the future was planning to do just this. Whatever sethbot misses I will take care of later, but I will also make sure that a redirect vs. a disambiguation page is used appropriately. -- RM and rambot
Probably a moot point by now, but I support this bot. anthony (see warning) 21:27, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Um, I do support this bot, but I actually think the two-letter state abbrviation should be lowercase--having it uppercase means (because of the odd mixed case) it won't be found by most users typing it in the search box, since they are likely to use all lower case (all lowercase also means it still gets found if they enter it the "right" way). I believe making them lowercase would also reduce (probably greatly) the 'using the abbreviation in articles' problem, as [[City, SN]] (which I believe is what most contributors would use in articles) would show as a red-link. Niteowlneils 22:39, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't know if this will ever be needed on the English Wikipedia, but in case it is, I would like to get a consensus on using it before it's actually needed. Angbot is a deletion bot using the PyWikipediaBot code (like the interlanguage-linking bots). The bot is only to be used in cases of mass page-creation vandalism. It was written in response to the recent situation at the Chinese Wikipedia where around 3000 pages needed to be deleted. The bot does not run autonomously. It simply makes the deletion process need one click instead of about four. I give it a list of pages to delete, it fetches those and displays each one to me in turn. I have to confirm whether I really want to delete the page. Is there any objection to running this on en if it's ever needed? It would not be used for normal deletion - only for very large cases of vandalism that would otherwise take hours to clear up. Angela . 17:33, May 19, 2004 (UTC)
Just for informational purposes, folks might also want to read meta:Vandalbot. BTW, Angela, sounds good. :) Is there a way to set things up so one of several trusted users can run such a bot as necessary on any Wikimedia wiki? They're all potential targets, after all... -- Seth Ilys 17:55, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
I oppose giving carte blanche authority to run this bot, especially as the source to it is not even public. If it is ever needed, then specific permission can be requested, but on en I'm not sure it ever will be, as a vandal would be caught and stopped long before creating 3000 pages. anthony (see warning) 21:33, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Would you use it to delete the pages on User:Topbanana/Reports/Duplicate_article_title? I'd restore them afterwards, fixing the database problem. It's a bit slow to do this manually (see talk). -- User:Docu
I'd like to use a robot to upload certain series of pictures available on en: to cy: (for example, pictures of all the Popes). Does the downloading-from-en: part count as something I should ask permission for here? Marnanel 04:50, May 29, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to run the pywikipediabot as D6. Would you mark it as a bot? -- User:Docu
How fast can a human edit? One user seems to do sustained periods of editing at 3 to 4 edits a minute. Is this possible or an unauthorized bot? How fast do bots usually edit? Rmhermen 20:53, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to run the pywikipediabot as User:Guanabot to bypass redirects ([[twentieth century]] –> [[20th century|twentieth century]]), perform disambiguation, and update interwiki links. Guan aco 21:34, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Please block Guanabot. Gunanaco said that it would stop editing Talk pages (it should really stop editing all pages outside the article namespace), but it is still doing it, and thus it is not functioning correctly. This should be fixed before it is allowed to continue. V V[[]]
Bypassing redirects is a bad idea. The redirect may become a valid article in the future. anthony (see warning)
It depends on the redirect. I don't plan on bypassing any redirects that have any hope of becoming useful articles. Guan aco 20:55, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You've already done it with vegetarian. Furthermore, many of the links to vegetarian are not adequetely covered by vegetarianism in the first place. anthony (see warning)
Due to the lack of support of this bot, I have removed its bot flag. When it is unblocked, its edits will be shown in recent changes so people can check more easily that it is doing what it is meant to do. Angela . 21:51, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I would also like to use the pywikipediabot to help with categorization by more quickly moving pages between and adding pages to categories. This would make it easier to delete categories that don't follow the naming conventions and subcategorize mass listings such as the Pokémon characters. Guan aco 01:15, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to use various bot scripts under the account Wclarkbot. The first project I'd use a bot for would be to either move existing BC/AD pages to BCE/CE variants or else create BCE/CE redirects to the BC/AD pages (depending on the outcome of the discussion over at the Village Pump
Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)).--
Wclark 04:26, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
Actually... in looking through some of the dates pages, it seems that a good deal of maintenance is needed anyway. For example, some otherwise empty dates are redirects to their appropriate decade (which makes sense) but other date pages are simply missing. In addition to any BCE redirects (since that's the way it seems to be leaning) I would most likely use a bot to make sure all date pages exist or at least redirect to their appropriate decade.-- Wclark 05:51, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
I strongly object to even making this change, let alone having a bot do it. 05:57, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
I also strongly disagree with this change on the grounds that BC/AD are more common designations. BCE can be used in academia, but wikipedia is for every user. Moreover, i frequently read books on ancient history (my neardy hobby) and i can tell that BC/AD is at least as common as the ACE notation. I am also astonished with the suggestion that BC (before Christ) might be offensive to non cristhians. This is to much of a radical change for one single user like Wclark (although certainly with good intentions) to make. I think this deserves at least a poll. Muriel G 17:31, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Since too many people are currently opposed to using BCE as the Wikipedia standard, I just went ahead and created all the remaining BCE -> BC redirect pages by hand (there were only a few hundred of them that needed to be done). So I don't need Wclarkbot to do this anymore. HOWEVER, there are plenty of pages that need to have [[333 BC|333 BCE]] style dates converted to [[333 BCE]] (at least 500 of them, based on a very simple search). I'd like to use a bot to help me with some of that, and to check for other date formatting issues. Any objections to the modified proposal? -- Wclark 05:38, 2004 Jul 12 (UTC)
I would like to run a bot to perform disambiguation. The bot would run the "solve_disambiguation.py" script that is included with the pywikipediabot software available at SourceForge. The script requires human intervention in order to choose the appropriate disambiguating link. I'll create an account for it once I think of a name and there are no objections. RedWolf 21:36, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
I've created a bot account called CanisRufus. RedWolf 00:16, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
Like RedWolf, I would also like to run a bot to perform disambiguation, also using the "solve_disambiguation.py" script included with pywikipediabot. I don't yet have an account for it. I may use it to perform other tedious tasks in the future, possibly including some custom tasks not included with pywikipediabot, at which point I will request permission for them. I have considered, for example, interactive spell-checking and checking for mislinks. As these tasks are all interactive, the bot would be naturally throttled in speed. Deco 03:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have registered my bot, and it is boringly named DcoetzeeBot so that everyone knows it's mine. Deco 01:50, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
I can't help but notice (from hitting "Random page" over and over) that Wikipedia is chock full of information about Tolkien's universe, and that a bunch of it mirrors how Wikipedia treats the real universe. For example, just like there is a List of Danish monarchs, there is also a list of Kings of Gondor. And if you look at, say, the page of the Gondorian king Atanatar II, you'll see one of those "preceded by/followed by" boxes, just like on the page of Eric VI of Denmark. So clearly, these Tolkien fans have put quite a bit of effort into their corner of Wikipedia. Furthermore, many and quite possibly most of these Tolkien-related pages mention some year or years in the fictional timeline. So, although I'm not particularly into Tolkien myself, I wonder if people would like to have "Tolkien years" pages similar to the existing "real years" pages (and similarly, decades pages, centuries pages, et cetera, and potentially stuff like "Middle-earth leaders by year" to echo the real life "leaders by year" pages). Tolkien pages could then link to [[2037 TA]] (i.e. "2037 Third Age"), for example, instead of just having it be plain text. If so, clearly a bot would be the way to go to build the base year/decade/century/etc. pages, which could then be populated by Tolkien fans at leisure. If people are interested, and there's not significant opposition, I might be willing to write such a bot (no promises yet). So, any interest or opposition? - Rwv37 06:33, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:List_of_encyclopedia_topics lists many, if not mostly, topics which should be redirects or diambig pages. Some are very obvious, such as all the counties. Other articles have been deemed so seldom worthy of entry to be siphoned off into another page (that is, the list of viruses.) Therefore, I'd like to write a script to do the following things:
I would try to make the script to edit each page on the list of topics once, but it would in all likelihood create thousands of redirect/disambig pages. The vast majority of these would be orphans. This has been discussed at Wikipedia talk:List of encyclopedia topics. Basically, if the orphans are kosher, I think a script should be made to eliminate the easy ones. If they're a bad idea, I think this should be made immediately clear. CHL 04:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I'd like permission to run the bot us-states.py, written by Andre Engels, on the account User:Sethbot. Request has also been made on meta:Requests for permissions. -- Seth Ilys 23:11, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Just to clarify... What this bot is designed to do is to create redirects from "CityName, SN" to "CityName, State Name" so that, for instance, Santa Monica, CA points to Santa Monica, California, for all 30k Rambot articles, so that people can use the familiar US postal code abbreviations to locate the Rambot city articles. There are a couple sample redirects on the account User:Sethbot from when I tested the bot, so you can see exactly what it does. -- Seth Ilys 04:21, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
If you plan on converting CA into a redirect to California or Canada replacing the list of multiple uses we currently have (see also Disambiguation and abbreviations ) I don't see the advantage .. If you just want to add redirects as suggested on Talk:ISO_3166-2 (end of page) this may help, but the issue raised at the beginning of the page may stil need to be resolved. -- User:Docu
I just wanted to add my thoughts here. The sethbot is great and all, but one must make sure what when redirecting from [[City, ST]] to [[City, State]] that the [[City, State]] article is not a disambiguation page. In the situation where there is more than one City in the same state with the same name, then that page should be a disambiguation page, not a redirect. I have the full database of all the names of the cities in my database and in the future was planning to do just this. Whatever sethbot misses I will take care of later, but I will also make sure that a redirect vs. a disambiguation page is used appropriately. -- RM and rambot
Probably a moot point by now, but I support this bot. anthony (see warning) 21:27, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Um, I do support this bot, but I actually think the two-letter state abbrviation should be lowercase--having it uppercase means (because of the odd mixed case) it won't be found by most users typing it in the search box, since they are likely to use all lower case (all lowercase also means it still gets found if they enter it the "right" way). I believe making them lowercase would also reduce (probably greatly) the 'using the abbreviation in articles' problem, as [[City, SN]] (which I believe is what most contributors would use in articles) would show as a red-link. Niteowlneils 22:39, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't know if this will ever be needed on the English Wikipedia, but in case it is, I would like to get a consensus on using it before it's actually needed. Angbot is a deletion bot using the PyWikipediaBot code (like the interlanguage-linking bots). The bot is only to be used in cases of mass page-creation vandalism. It was written in response to the recent situation at the Chinese Wikipedia where around 3000 pages needed to be deleted. The bot does not run autonomously. It simply makes the deletion process need one click instead of about four. I give it a list of pages to delete, it fetches those and displays each one to me in turn. I have to confirm whether I really want to delete the page. Is there any objection to running this on en if it's ever needed? It would not be used for normal deletion - only for very large cases of vandalism that would otherwise take hours to clear up. Angela . 17:33, May 19, 2004 (UTC)
Just for informational purposes, folks might also want to read meta:Vandalbot. BTW, Angela, sounds good. :) Is there a way to set things up so one of several trusted users can run such a bot as necessary on any Wikimedia wiki? They're all potential targets, after all... -- Seth Ilys 17:55, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
I oppose giving carte blanche authority to run this bot, especially as the source to it is not even public. If it is ever needed, then specific permission can be requested, but on en I'm not sure it ever will be, as a vandal would be caught and stopped long before creating 3000 pages. anthony (see warning) 21:33, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Would you use it to delete the pages on User:Topbanana/Reports/Duplicate_article_title? I'd restore them afterwards, fixing the database problem. It's a bit slow to do this manually (see talk). -- User:Docu
I'd like to use a robot to upload certain series of pictures available on en: to cy: (for example, pictures of all the Popes). Does the downloading-from-en: part count as something I should ask permission for here? Marnanel 04:50, May 29, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to run the pywikipediabot as D6. Would you mark it as a bot? -- User:Docu
How fast can a human edit? One user seems to do sustained periods of editing at 3 to 4 edits a minute. Is this possible or an unauthorized bot? How fast do bots usually edit? Rmhermen 20:53, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to run the pywikipediabot as User:Guanabot to bypass redirects ([[twentieth century]] –> [[20th century|twentieth century]]), perform disambiguation, and update interwiki links. Guan aco 21:34, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Please block Guanabot. Gunanaco said that it would stop editing Talk pages (it should really stop editing all pages outside the article namespace), but it is still doing it, and thus it is not functioning correctly. This should be fixed before it is allowed to continue. V V[[]]
Bypassing redirects is a bad idea. The redirect may become a valid article in the future. anthony (see warning)
It depends on the redirect. I don't plan on bypassing any redirects that have any hope of becoming useful articles. Guan aco 20:55, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You've already done it with vegetarian. Furthermore, many of the links to vegetarian are not adequetely covered by vegetarianism in the first place. anthony (see warning)
Due to the lack of support of this bot, I have removed its bot flag. When it is unblocked, its edits will be shown in recent changes so people can check more easily that it is doing what it is meant to do. Angela . 21:51, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I would also like to use the pywikipediabot to help with categorization by more quickly moving pages between and adding pages to categories. This would make it easier to delete categories that don't follow the naming conventions and subcategorize mass listings such as the Pokémon characters. Guan aco 01:15, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to use various bot scripts under the account Wclarkbot. The first project I'd use a bot for would be to either move existing BC/AD pages to BCE/CE variants or else create BCE/CE redirects to the BC/AD pages (depending on the outcome of the discussion over at the Village Pump
Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)).--
Wclark 04:26, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
Actually... in looking through some of the dates pages, it seems that a good deal of maintenance is needed anyway. For example, some otherwise empty dates are redirects to their appropriate decade (which makes sense) but other date pages are simply missing. In addition to any BCE redirects (since that's the way it seems to be leaning) I would most likely use a bot to make sure all date pages exist or at least redirect to their appropriate decade.-- Wclark 05:51, 2004 Jul 11 (UTC)
I strongly object to even making this change, let alone having a bot do it. 05:57, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
I also strongly disagree with this change on the grounds that BC/AD are more common designations. BCE can be used in academia, but wikipedia is for every user. Moreover, i frequently read books on ancient history (my neardy hobby) and i can tell that BC/AD is at least as common as the ACE notation. I am also astonished with the suggestion that BC (before Christ) might be offensive to non cristhians. This is to much of a radical change for one single user like Wclark (although certainly with good intentions) to make. I think this deserves at least a poll. Muriel G 17:31, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Since too many people are currently opposed to using BCE as the Wikipedia standard, I just went ahead and created all the remaining BCE -> BC redirect pages by hand (there were only a few hundred of them that needed to be done). So I don't need Wclarkbot to do this anymore. HOWEVER, there are plenty of pages that need to have [[333 BC|333 BCE]] style dates converted to [[333 BCE]] (at least 500 of them, based on a very simple search). I'd like to use a bot to help me with some of that, and to check for other date formatting issues. Any objections to the modified proposal? -- Wclark 05:38, 2004 Jul 12 (UTC)
I would like to run a bot to perform disambiguation. The bot would run the "solve_disambiguation.py" script that is included with the pywikipediabot software available at SourceForge. The script requires human intervention in order to choose the appropriate disambiguating link. I'll create an account for it once I think of a name and there are no objections. RedWolf 21:36, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
I've created a bot account called CanisRufus. RedWolf 00:16, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
Like RedWolf, I would also like to run a bot to perform disambiguation, also using the "solve_disambiguation.py" script included with pywikipediabot. I don't yet have an account for it. I may use it to perform other tedious tasks in the future, possibly including some custom tasks not included with pywikipediabot, at which point I will request permission for them. I have considered, for example, interactive spell-checking and checking for mislinks. As these tasks are all interactive, the bot would be naturally throttled in speed. Deco 03:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have registered my bot, and it is boringly named DcoetzeeBot so that everyone knows it's mine. Deco 01:50, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)