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I think that the publishing isn't exactly right. I'm seeing some articles from this month's edition of the signpost on WP:SIGNPOST, but I'm also seeing that the date is wrong and some of the links are red. Does anybody have an idea for how to fix this? I'm a page mover and can move things around if needed, but I'd just like to see if there's something Signpost-specific that I am missing here. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 00:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The script ran in its entirety, but a couple things were messed up. I fixed everything myself except the one page I couldn't edit (not being a TE or admin). User:Seddon helpfully fixed it here, so everything should be fine now (the main page is rendering correctly now as well). The only thing remaining to be done is the global massmessage. jp× g 01:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm going to add a note to the script's documentation that the template editor permission is now required to update the Issues page, which is what gave us the hiccup this time. Apparently, that page was automatically TE-protected by MusikBot as a high-transclusion template a few weeks ago; the inability to update that with the current issue ended up cascading through a few other pages (although thankfully not the 1,249 talk pages that were posted to by the mass message bot, lol). jp× g 03:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
All: You can monitor reader feedback by pressing the button. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The publication timer is set to Tuesday, December 28, which seems like a better choice than Sunday, Dec 26th. I'll be taking that week off in any case and @ Bri: has again taken on the burden of being the temporary editor-in-chief during my annual family vacation. This doesn't mean that I'll be completely out of contact, e.g. 2 years ago during my nice warm Florida vacation it rained everyday, so .... I'll try to stay out of Bri's way this time! I do hope to complete some sections of In the media, and perhaps a Disinformation report by Christmas Eve (early). I might even try my hand at a Jimbo NFT story - but I've already rejected 3 of my drafts on ideological grounds.
DannyS712 it looks like you have all the permissions required by the publishing script. To avoid last-minute pain, I'd like to ask you to do it this month. Can you please confirm? ☆ Bri ( talk) 23:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
See announcement from Pats Pena here: [3]. Note preceding sections on that talk page. -- Andreas JN 466 22:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Right now, the fundraising banners seem to have stopped again. Is anybody else seeing any while logged out?
I believe that this year no logged-in users were shown the banners, regardless of their preferences set-up. (I never disabled fundraising banners in my preferences, and still only saw them when logged out.) A user has asked for confirmation of this on Meta:
There has been lots of discussion on the linked Meta page in general over the past couple of weeks, most of it very critical of the size, design and messaging of the WMF begging banners. Hope this helps. Cheers, -- Andreas JN 466 18:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I get it now – what I perceived before was kind of a perennial grousing about the annoyance of banners, but this is more than about this year's banners. It's a good discussion on Rosiestep's talkpage. I can take a try at converting it to a story. Maybe under the title WMF "needs" money for Women in Red. ☆ Bri ( talk) 15:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
(EC with Bri) 1st I should say that I've got less than 2 days before going on vacation.
My general opinion on the fundraising issue is pretty well-known. I think Wikipedia needs funding for the long-term. There are some folks who campaign against WMF fundraising and I have difficulty imagining a good faith reason why, e.g. Andrew Orlowicz's (sp?) piece in The Telegraph (thanks for the archive link). There is a question of wording but I don't find the WMF's wording being especially pushy compared to e.g NPR or even the local fire department.
Unless I hear otherwise, I'll try to do. Something about the NY Times article (pro and con). Followed closely by Orlowcsx's article (it will be difficult for me to say anything good about it) all in In the media. I'd also like to get something from a Women in Red writer as a stand alone article for January. I'll suggest if he thinks more is needed this issue, that @ Bri: figure out how to best handle it. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Have you seen this? According to that table of Form 990 data (still a work in progress), WMF salaries, benefits and taxes per employee are way out there compared to other non-profits, working out at $191,000 per person. Worth an article next month? -- Andreas JN 466 09:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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I was mostly exploring some formatting ideas and am glad to see both of you responding. My suggestions:
@ Smallbones and Bri: I agree that having a couple of images for each story is probably a good idea, and I was going to add a couple more stories over the next few days. However, I don't think its a good idea to cut down the text, each story only has a few lines as it is and I think the text adds to the readers understanding (some of the stories wouldn't really work without it).-- Llewee ( talk) 17:50, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to have a section called something like other "other highlights" or "honourable mentions" with a collection of images with just captions and no additional text. Llewee ( talk) 17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Are there any images available that demonstrate the actions described in the text? This looks like there's not much happening, which obviously was not the case. Compare to File:2017 Women's March at Olympia.jpg for example. ☆ Bri ( talk) 14:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC) fr:Assaut_du_Capitole_par_des_partisans_de_Donald_Trump#Déroulement_des_faits has this good montage. ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Please correct the honorable mention section with the Israel government people. One of them is Ayelet Shaked. ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I can edit another Crossword (and provide the answer's for last month's) but I'm afraid I won't have time for much else this issue. Ganesha811 ( talk) 11:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
BIG article about Wikipedia today on the BBC News website "Climate change: Small army of volunteers keeping deniers off Wikipedia". Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 17:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Several articles appear to be complete and I've marked them for copyedit. Maybe it needs updating but our "about" page lists Bluerasberry, ProgrammingGeek, Megalibrarygirl, and MJL as copyeditors. Anyone can pitch in here. ☆ Bri ( talk) 23:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I'll be outta here by morning. So how do you say "absurdly long compound German noun" in German? It's needed in the "By the numbers" column. @ HaeB, Bri, Jayen466, Bri, and AmericanLemming:
Merry Christmas! Smallbones( smalltalk) 03:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Just a gentle reminder – writing should be completed by 2000 UTC 27 December; that's 12 noon Monday on US West Coast. ☆ Bri ( talk) 18:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I would like to post my piece, but I see no empty space to drop my Serendipity article. Vysotsky ( talk) 22:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Vysotsky: I've looked over what you have written so far, and it mostly looks good. A lead is absolutely necessary before we can run it -- I think it would also be nice if there were a little more in the "no, born in 1926" section (it gets a little tangled). One other thing that would be nice is if there were a little more mystery; that is to say, if the reader went through the same journey as the editors involved, not knowing which birth date was correct until the part in the story when it's revealed. Also, was there a smoking gun that revealed the correct birth date? What went on there, and how was everyone moved to finally accept the correct date? jp× g 09:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Vysotsky, JPxG, and Bri: (4+ hours to go) I did a final rewrite/edit - adding in authority control which resolves the mystery better IMHO. I now resume my vacation! Smallbones( smalltalk) 15:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
There is half an hour to go till publication which DannyS712 is on standby for. I asked for copyedit assist on copyedit on two articles that I contributed to: In the media and News and notes, but I'd pull the trigger as they are. Not waiting for Recent research unless we hear from the editor in the near future. Thanks in advance to everyone who has contributed to this issue! ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:30, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Archive 15 | ← | Archive 19 | Archive 20 | Archive 21 | Archive 22 | Archive 23 | → | Archive 25 |
I think that the publishing isn't exactly right. I'm seeing some articles from this month's edition of the signpost on WP:SIGNPOST, but I'm also seeing that the date is wrong and some of the links are red. Does anybody have an idea for how to fix this? I'm a page mover and can move things around if needed, but I'd just like to see if there's something Signpost-specific that I am missing here. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 00:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The script ran in its entirety, but a couple things were messed up. I fixed everything myself except the one page I couldn't edit (not being a TE or admin). User:Seddon helpfully fixed it here, so everything should be fine now (the main page is rendering correctly now as well). The only thing remaining to be done is the global massmessage. jp× g 01:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm going to add a note to the script's documentation that the template editor permission is now required to update the Issues page, which is what gave us the hiccup this time. Apparently, that page was automatically TE-protected by MusikBot as a high-transclusion template a few weeks ago; the inability to update that with the current issue ended up cascading through a few other pages (although thankfully not the 1,249 talk pages that were posted to by the mass message bot, lol). jp× g 03:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
All: You can monitor reader feedback by pressing the button. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The publication timer is set to Tuesday, December 28, which seems like a better choice than Sunday, Dec 26th. I'll be taking that week off in any case and @ Bri: has again taken on the burden of being the temporary editor-in-chief during my annual family vacation. This doesn't mean that I'll be completely out of contact, e.g. 2 years ago during my nice warm Florida vacation it rained everyday, so .... I'll try to stay out of Bri's way this time! I do hope to complete some sections of In the media, and perhaps a Disinformation report by Christmas Eve (early). I might even try my hand at a Jimbo NFT story - but I've already rejected 3 of my drafts on ideological grounds.
DannyS712 it looks like you have all the permissions required by the publishing script. To avoid last-minute pain, I'd like to ask you to do it this month. Can you please confirm? ☆ Bri ( talk) 23:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
See announcement from Pats Pena here: [3]. Note preceding sections on that talk page. -- Andreas JN 466 22:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Right now, the fundraising banners seem to have stopped again. Is anybody else seeing any while logged out?
I believe that this year no logged-in users were shown the banners, regardless of their preferences set-up. (I never disabled fundraising banners in my preferences, and still only saw them when logged out.) A user has asked for confirmation of this on Meta:
There has been lots of discussion on the linked Meta page in general over the past couple of weeks, most of it very critical of the size, design and messaging of the WMF begging banners. Hope this helps. Cheers, -- Andreas JN 466 18:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I get it now – what I perceived before was kind of a perennial grousing about the annoyance of banners, but this is more than about this year's banners. It's a good discussion on Rosiestep's talkpage. I can take a try at converting it to a story. Maybe under the title WMF "needs" money for Women in Red. ☆ Bri ( talk) 15:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
(EC with Bri) 1st I should say that I've got less than 2 days before going on vacation.
My general opinion on the fundraising issue is pretty well-known. I think Wikipedia needs funding for the long-term. There are some folks who campaign against WMF fundraising and I have difficulty imagining a good faith reason why, e.g. Andrew Orlowicz's (sp?) piece in The Telegraph (thanks for the archive link). There is a question of wording but I don't find the WMF's wording being especially pushy compared to e.g NPR or even the local fire department.
Unless I hear otherwise, I'll try to do. Something about the NY Times article (pro and con). Followed closely by Orlowcsx's article (it will be difficult for me to say anything good about it) all in In the media. I'd also like to get something from a Women in Red writer as a stand alone article for January. I'll suggest if he thinks more is needed this issue, that @ Bri: figure out how to best handle it. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Have you seen this? According to that table of Form 990 data (still a work in progress), WMF salaries, benefits and taxes per employee are way out there compared to other non-profits, working out at $191,000 per person. Worth an article next month? -- Andreas JN 466 09:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
![]() | Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. There is more info on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org. |
I was mostly exploring some formatting ideas and am glad to see both of you responding. My suggestions:
@ Smallbones and Bri: I agree that having a couple of images for each story is probably a good idea, and I was going to add a couple more stories over the next few days. However, I don't think its a good idea to cut down the text, each story only has a few lines as it is and I think the text adds to the readers understanding (some of the stories wouldn't really work without it).-- Llewee ( talk) 17:50, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to have a section called something like other "other highlights" or "honourable mentions" with a collection of images with just captions and no additional text. Llewee ( talk) 17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Are there any images available that demonstrate the actions described in the text? This looks like there's not much happening, which obviously was not the case. Compare to File:2017 Women's March at Olympia.jpg for example. ☆ Bri ( talk) 14:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC) fr:Assaut_du_Capitole_par_des_partisans_de_Donald_Trump#Déroulement_des_faits has this good montage. ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Please correct the honorable mention section with the Israel government people. One of them is Ayelet Shaked. ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I can edit another Crossword (and provide the answer's for last month's) but I'm afraid I won't have time for much else this issue. Ganesha811 ( talk) 11:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
BIG article about Wikipedia today on the BBC News website "Climate change: Small army of volunteers keeping deniers off Wikipedia". Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 17:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Several articles appear to be complete and I've marked them for copyedit. Maybe it needs updating but our "about" page lists Bluerasberry, ProgrammingGeek, Megalibrarygirl, and MJL as copyeditors. Anyone can pitch in here. ☆ Bri ( talk) 23:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I'll be outta here by morning. So how do you say "absurdly long compound German noun" in German? It's needed in the "By the numbers" column. @ HaeB, Bri, Jayen466, Bri, and AmericanLemming:
Merry Christmas! Smallbones( smalltalk) 03:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Just a gentle reminder – writing should be completed by 2000 UTC 27 December; that's 12 noon Monday on US West Coast. ☆ Bri ( talk) 18:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I would like to post my piece, but I see no empty space to drop my Serendipity article. Vysotsky ( talk) 22:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Vysotsky: I've looked over what you have written so far, and it mostly looks good. A lead is absolutely necessary before we can run it -- I think it would also be nice if there were a little more in the "no, born in 1926" section (it gets a little tangled). One other thing that would be nice is if there were a little more mystery; that is to say, if the reader went through the same journey as the editors involved, not knowing which birth date was correct until the part in the story when it's revealed. Also, was there a smoking gun that revealed the correct birth date? What went on there, and how was everyone moved to finally accept the correct date? jp× g 09:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Vysotsky, JPxG, and Bri: (4+ hours to go) I did a final rewrite/edit - adding in authority control which resolves the mystery better IMHO. I now resume my vacation! Smallbones( smalltalk) 15:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
There is half an hour to go till publication which DannyS712 is on standby for. I asked for copyedit assist on copyedit on two articles that I contributed to: In the media and News and notes, but I'd pull the trigger as they are. Not waiting for Recent research unless we hear from the editor in the near future. Thanks in advance to everyone who has contributed to this issue! ☆ Bri ( talk) 19:30, 28 December 2021 (UTC)