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Hi folks!! I'm looking for help on this draft as well. The coi editor User:Linda Gerdner thinks its notable and it seems to be borderline. There is a claim to notability but I couldn't determine if it was valid. Perhaps somebody do something with it. scope_creep Talk 11:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Sigh. And then folks wonder why some editors prefer not to work on BLPs. Penny Richards ( talk) 23:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Reminds me of the song "How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away?". WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 23:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Sometime this weekend, the Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge will surpass 4000 destubs listed, and 8% of its goal total. Hooray! I know this, because this morning I completed my own destub challenge, which was also my 12th alphabet run -- 26 destubs, all women's bios, Annette to Zanzye. Destubbing can be so satisfying, highly recommended as a variation on the usual diversions. Penny Richards ( talk) 19:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
One of our most recent new members, Pandelver, has suggested under "Need for attention to female animals too" on my talk page that it might be useful to consider whether Women in Red should also embark on reducing the gender gap on animals.-- Ipigott ( talk) 11:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I have a first case for a mild article creation, actually a slight import, on Sangduen "Lek" Chailert who has a short article so far on Simple English Wikipedia, and this is a bridge case into the topic I have asked you all about. Lek is a human female conservationist who is among the dozenish living people currently dubbed 'Elephant whisperers', in her case mainly with Asian elephants, with broad media attention in which she usually shares elephants' names, personalities, and sometimes special talents or histories, elephant societies being fundamentally matriarchal. So I would love your guidance please, Women in Red colleagues, with:
(1) Doing the import, as the article Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia does not give the knowhow of imports within the same language family at W, and I have not done a wholesale import myself before that I recall. One issue is the fine detail of referencing or the latest W quasibot technologies to import source article sources and in what ways to modify their details in the destination wiki, and the temporary or permanent use of 'see sources' in source article statements as the Copying article suggests as a working approach.
(2) Whenever I point out immanent work I've identified, I am NEVER proprietary as working editor, so if any of you feels the yen to accomplish this port before I make time to finish it, please always do so with full blessing, and moreso if you add what all editors including I have not or have not yet thought to meaningfully add. I expect articles to evolve, almost always grow over time, as knowledge and knowledge of knowledge and implications do.
(3) Lek's article may serve as a mild first case of better inclusion of female elephants in consort with Lek's female human achievements and notability, including working out how to parse such influences to the correct extents, so Lek's bio is good starting material. Lek is herself mentioned in regular English W's article on Elephant Nature Park in sections of which that article is now treated as her partial bio, so melding and linking sections between the Park article and Lek's new bio on regular English, grown out of Simple English, is a cohesive task.
(4) Where at Women in Red do we keep and add to a list of identified articles to be created, such as a list of women needing bios, or candidates to be discussed, or subtopics of feminine notability to be created? Not just in the rolling archives of this talk page, surely? Is there a work-to-be-done repository, where the Lek article should be added and from which we may all see what else calls us individually to add? BIT LATER: Ah, would the area be the WiR Categories menu???
(5) My own work, especially writing projects and duties, does not avail me as a regular per-month volume contributor on behalf of Women in Red; what mostly transpires into W is working on articles collateral with my ongoing work outside W. One of the larger containers with which you may conceive me is as having a sociologist's perspective on what we all do. In which regard, as important as species recognition is in the real world for our great grandchildren, what impresses me as needed is a renaissance, perhaps through a Wiki Project, within the present W community to actually institute several ethos elements which we glossily purport. Yet which both evolved disputative culture and the revising editorial hierarchy in practice thoroughgoingly unravel. Because we are so subject to the common and ordinary real human world phenomenon, of many who get enthused about being supervisory editors in the same way that many relish being cops. A recognized personality orientation in the case of police. Swift handling of misinformation to the public is important. It may take presumptive action like wholesale reversions. Yet what is always important hand in hand is vetting its content to preserve what's so far worthwhile, without demoralizing line editors or recent volunteers. So what might be called for are the following (if you know of existing Wikipedia organizations or even philosophical factions, being as fruitfully full of these here as elsewhere, please let me know):
1) That Wikipedia's purpose and criteria are far more for its readers and their uses than for its proferring writers and compilers, and the different ways in which our material is used by reader sociolects and types within those is paramount, far above the salaciousness of 'edit wars' or 'ownership' in atavistic sense by individuals trying to guard bits or be zero-sum game instead of complementary
2) So that what is encouraged is much stronger collegiality, whose depth of mutual engagement in material is typically apparent because it incidentally produces real friendships, not only drinking-fountain acquaintances and alliances; it elevates the corpus of editors who boost each other in the delivery (and experience) of important work, conveyed through to readers and increasingly aware of what readers want that they are not yet getting.
3) Editors, especially up the hierarchical line, whose evident tenor is championing the satisfactions of knowledge, inspiring this attitude of getting the best, which is not just objectivity but the brilliance of knowledge we come together to present, eclipsing games in all directions of mere cops and robbers. Don't we really want Editors, those who shape what's written into greatness, contributing their editorial sense? Even without originality in our charter. The moreso therefore, those who build and care about what should be added as much as subtracted, who have vision for what's important in article's growth. At some point, of course, as with any organization, no matter how grass roots or partly decentralized, such tones are usually best fostered in unison with the most senior strategists who shape the organization overall.
4) Perhaps we may develop, including for Women in Red, guidance recommendations for what SHOULD be in an article, positively, such as about persons, living, fictitious and dead, what makes an article more complete to serve readers who do not dismiss it to use an article elsewhere as preferable to our W articles on a topic or person cluster, not as addenda to smashingly good treatment here. Becoming conscious, including through surveys and studies, of the living, changing pulse of both large and important special groups and individuals who are the readers, learners, citers, inventors, implementers, and future collaborators of articles here. And not to be a new formidable prescriptive wall but out of our pith as editors about what's pithy in valuable, sufficiently versatile articles for our real constituency, which is all the varied users, not overweening influence by any including casual mainstreams. Rather, guides to sections and contents and forms which are of greater usefulness to more.
I look forward both to adding to our shared pool, human for a while for now, with you, and personally, to those profound friendships which are beyond advocacies and shared habits and variant tastes, and which never need compromise but fully embrace those in each other as what makes us great people.
Warmly, in this New Year begun,
~ Pandelver
I noticed that author Sally Green did not have an article written on her and enthousiastically started collecting sources. I created a stub that was quickly marked with 'primary sources' and 'notability'. WIthin six days the article was reverted back to its redirect of her most notable work. I wanted to have a second opinion on this as I see male authors with the same problems that are not being turned into redirects. Do you think the revert was right? Martsniez ( talk) 07:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Short notice, but I thought some of you might be interested in this: in 45 minutes (at the top of the hour), come join the m:SWAN call which, this time, is a one-hour around-the-world-celebration of Wikipedia Day. For privacy, you can keep your audio and/or video on or off. More info and Zoom link here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#January_2023_meeting Rosiestep ( talk) 16:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Part of this is a shout out for lil contributions to lil Pegeen, but that article also raises a longstanding question for some of us:
What sources, especially translingual, do you know for citing etymologies, given that Wiktionary is by now well populated but askance to forbidden, Douglas Harper's once solo effort has made Etymonline the closest second on the web, but far less fruitful, a fraction of Wiktionary, and the bits of etymology in the few good narrow dictionaries online by language hardly venture across language boundaries very far for global metrospeak in major languages especially, or for close kinships of neighboring tribes? Resources you can share for us to use extensively?
Today I put the first half dozen cites and also more instances into what I'd found the entirely uncited but rouge Irish woman's name Pegeen article. And had as yet even missed how Auntie Mame limelighted Pegeen into the 21st century.
Pegeen was stylish in English earlier last century; this article had already started by saying Pegeen is Anglicized Irish for "little Peig" or "little Margaret" but doesn't even explain, why Margaret? Some of us have already heard Margaret's from the Greek word for 'Pearl'. I don't know myself the particular descent from Pearl to Peg and Peggy perhaps? to the obvious use of that cute Celto Gaelic diminutive -een to form Pegeen. So the raw facts in the first line so far are true but don't illuminate readers yet, no tingles of understanding or artful appreciation. Nacreous etym's the evocative flow between people's cultures, creating these words with which we gleam our interflows on W, a no neh?
Please jump in there if you've the Irish gall to better blush Pegeen's cheeks, it's a small task, but relies on the big grace of knowing a Wiki-venerable online source or having an authoritative tome of English, Celto Gaelic, Greek or interlingua reference which captures this etym or a social history of the name's migration or permutation. And I've made an edit note by each of the first 2 literary/ arts fictive instances where the Pegeens from Playboy of the Western World and the 1920 film yearn for better subentries. Always welcome you working hand in hand, thanks. And perhaps you'll bring more outstandging women named Pegeen to light for everyone, I especially imagine if you can delve out those from Ireland and Scotland for sure, and perhaps cognates in Wales, Brittany and adopted into English, so even Aussies.
Go Brách, cairde! Pandelver ( talk) 22:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Would anyone be willing to look at two drafts of bios of Indigenous women artists that were just recently (and IMO incorrectly) rejected? They are Draft:Marlana Thompson, which I've tried to bolster, and Draft:Vicki Lee Soboleff. Thank you for any insights into this situation. Carolina-parakeet-42 ( talk) 16:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Carolina-parakeet42
It is currently being argued at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard that the Daily Mail article "Fifty years ago, SHIRLEY CONRAN launched Femail with this racy cover. Today, we recreate it for a special edition as she rejoices how women got to wear the trousers!" published in November 2018, cannot be used as a source because it doesn't qualify as the Mail talking about itself, and is thus subject to the general ruling that anything written in the Mail by anyone for any purpose, is to be treated as if it is a deliberate fabrication for the purpose of making money. Fair enough. Perhaps it is, and I guess nobody can prove Shirley isn't complicit in that fraud. As absurd as it sounds, that is the logical basis for this all encompassing ban, the prospect of deliberate fraud, not easily corrected mistakes. But I was struck by the oft seen supporting argument that by definition, anything that can only be sourced to the Mail, is de facto unimportant to Wikipedia. I wondered how this sits with members of this project. Since in my experience, for reasons well understood here I imagine, you don't have to go too far into the depth of articles like this before you reach a point where you're reading material which would be unambiguously valuable to the goals of this Project (writing women's stories), but which have been ignored by so called reliable sources. I don't know what can be done about it, short of finding a way to have Shirley independently (and it has to be independently) repeat these words in a source deemed acceptable, which may not be practical at all, given her age and the general jealousy the rest of the media has toward the hugely popular Mail, unwilling as they are to admit it is more than just a right wing rabble rouser, as pieces like this show, both in the past and the present. I hope this doesn't discourage people, but if you're thinking that there is any way or means to get the majority of Wikipedia editors to reflect on the unintended (or should the be intended?) consequences of what was a fairly lightweight and clearly prejudiced examination of the alleged issues, certainly when asking for proof that the Mail specifically has a deliberate fraud problem, one far beyond what can and has been seen at other newspapers, even the gold standard ones, you would be mistaken. If so, it does rather strike me as perhaps the biggest single example of a Wikipedia rule deliberately and permanently enshrining a gender gap as an immutable quality of Wikipedia. Thoughts welcome. DefJamKlapp ( talk) 11:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sandy Irani is a professor and former chair of computer science at UC Irvine, on leave as associate director of the Simons Institute for the Theory of Computing [3]. She is the daughter of Michigan computer science professor Keki B. Irani [4], a student of Richard M. Karp [5], a trustee of the Sage Hill School [6], a well-cited researcher on online algorithms and quantum computing [7], a recipient of the 2019 IEEE TCMF Distinguished Service Award for her leadership of the SafeTOC initiative for combating harassment at theoretical computer science conferences [8], and a newly elected ACM Fellow [9]. I normally try to make sure articles exist for all women ACM Fellows (and am in the process of checking existence for this year's batch) but in this case I have too much of a conflict of interest: she is a friend and close colleague. Maybe someone else would be interested? — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
I've just come across a funding proposal on meta - Wikidata to Gender Rescue on Wikipedia (WiGeData ) - wherein, to my admittedly quite jaundiced eye, a group of academics is intent on some form of wheel reinvention, perhaps with added spokes & such. Notable by its absence in the proposal is any pointer to past work - e.g. Humaniki & its priors; just clear blue sky and WiGeData. Perhaps we're doomed to do this, eternally, every three or four years. Anyway. Some of you here may well wish to support it; who knows. I think the MO is they need support via that page to get their grant. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 01:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Is up for deletion. Was Australian ambassador to Spain as well as Chile. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi WIRED team, we are going to organise Feminism and Folklore 2023 here on English Wiki, writing contest will start on 1 February. I would like to invite all you to sign up and participate to write/improve articles. I would also like to request the project maintainers to send a mass message to inform our WIRED members about the writing contest. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 20:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 115 | ← | Archive 120 | Archive 121 | Archive 122 | Archive 123 | Archive 124 | Archive 125 |
This discussion has been closed, per email request. Please do not modify it. |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Hi folks!! I'm looking for help on this draft as well. The coi editor User:Linda Gerdner thinks its notable and it seems to be borderline. There is a claim to notability but I couldn't determine if it was valid. Perhaps somebody do something with it. scope_creep Talk 11:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Sigh. And then folks wonder why some editors prefer not to work on BLPs. Penny Richards ( talk) 23:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Reminds me of the song "How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away?". WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 23:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Sometime this weekend, the Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge will surpass 4000 destubs listed, and 8% of its goal total. Hooray! I know this, because this morning I completed my own destub challenge, which was also my 12th alphabet run -- 26 destubs, all women's bios, Annette to Zanzye. Destubbing can be so satisfying, highly recommended as a variation on the usual diversions. Penny Richards ( talk) 19:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
One of our most recent new members, Pandelver, has suggested under "Need for attention to female animals too" on my talk page that it might be useful to consider whether Women in Red should also embark on reducing the gender gap on animals.-- Ipigott ( talk) 11:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I have a first case for a mild article creation, actually a slight import, on Sangduen "Lek" Chailert who has a short article so far on Simple English Wikipedia, and this is a bridge case into the topic I have asked you all about. Lek is a human female conservationist who is among the dozenish living people currently dubbed 'Elephant whisperers', in her case mainly with Asian elephants, with broad media attention in which she usually shares elephants' names, personalities, and sometimes special talents or histories, elephant societies being fundamentally matriarchal. So I would love your guidance please, Women in Red colleagues, with:
(1) Doing the import, as the article Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia does not give the knowhow of imports within the same language family at W, and I have not done a wholesale import myself before that I recall. One issue is the fine detail of referencing or the latest W quasibot technologies to import source article sources and in what ways to modify their details in the destination wiki, and the temporary or permanent use of 'see sources' in source article statements as the Copying article suggests as a working approach.
(2) Whenever I point out immanent work I've identified, I am NEVER proprietary as working editor, so if any of you feels the yen to accomplish this port before I make time to finish it, please always do so with full blessing, and moreso if you add what all editors including I have not or have not yet thought to meaningfully add. I expect articles to evolve, almost always grow over time, as knowledge and knowledge of knowledge and implications do.
(3) Lek's article may serve as a mild first case of better inclusion of female elephants in consort with Lek's female human achievements and notability, including working out how to parse such influences to the correct extents, so Lek's bio is good starting material. Lek is herself mentioned in regular English W's article on Elephant Nature Park in sections of which that article is now treated as her partial bio, so melding and linking sections between the Park article and Lek's new bio on regular English, grown out of Simple English, is a cohesive task.
(4) Where at Women in Red do we keep and add to a list of identified articles to be created, such as a list of women needing bios, or candidates to be discussed, or subtopics of feminine notability to be created? Not just in the rolling archives of this talk page, surely? Is there a work-to-be-done repository, where the Lek article should be added and from which we may all see what else calls us individually to add? BIT LATER: Ah, would the area be the WiR Categories menu???
(5) My own work, especially writing projects and duties, does not avail me as a regular per-month volume contributor on behalf of Women in Red; what mostly transpires into W is working on articles collateral with my ongoing work outside W. One of the larger containers with which you may conceive me is as having a sociologist's perspective on what we all do. In which regard, as important as species recognition is in the real world for our great grandchildren, what impresses me as needed is a renaissance, perhaps through a Wiki Project, within the present W community to actually institute several ethos elements which we glossily purport. Yet which both evolved disputative culture and the revising editorial hierarchy in practice thoroughgoingly unravel. Because we are so subject to the common and ordinary real human world phenomenon, of many who get enthused about being supervisory editors in the same way that many relish being cops. A recognized personality orientation in the case of police. Swift handling of misinformation to the public is important. It may take presumptive action like wholesale reversions. Yet what is always important hand in hand is vetting its content to preserve what's so far worthwhile, without demoralizing line editors or recent volunteers. So what might be called for are the following (if you know of existing Wikipedia organizations or even philosophical factions, being as fruitfully full of these here as elsewhere, please let me know):
1) That Wikipedia's purpose and criteria are far more for its readers and their uses than for its proferring writers and compilers, and the different ways in which our material is used by reader sociolects and types within those is paramount, far above the salaciousness of 'edit wars' or 'ownership' in atavistic sense by individuals trying to guard bits or be zero-sum game instead of complementary
2) So that what is encouraged is much stronger collegiality, whose depth of mutual engagement in material is typically apparent because it incidentally produces real friendships, not only drinking-fountain acquaintances and alliances; it elevates the corpus of editors who boost each other in the delivery (and experience) of important work, conveyed through to readers and increasingly aware of what readers want that they are not yet getting.
3) Editors, especially up the hierarchical line, whose evident tenor is championing the satisfactions of knowledge, inspiring this attitude of getting the best, which is not just objectivity but the brilliance of knowledge we come together to present, eclipsing games in all directions of mere cops and robbers. Don't we really want Editors, those who shape what's written into greatness, contributing their editorial sense? Even without originality in our charter. The moreso therefore, those who build and care about what should be added as much as subtracted, who have vision for what's important in article's growth. At some point, of course, as with any organization, no matter how grass roots or partly decentralized, such tones are usually best fostered in unison with the most senior strategists who shape the organization overall.
4) Perhaps we may develop, including for Women in Red, guidance recommendations for what SHOULD be in an article, positively, such as about persons, living, fictitious and dead, what makes an article more complete to serve readers who do not dismiss it to use an article elsewhere as preferable to our W articles on a topic or person cluster, not as addenda to smashingly good treatment here. Becoming conscious, including through surveys and studies, of the living, changing pulse of both large and important special groups and individuals who are the readers, learners, citers, inventors, implementers, and future collaborators of articles here. And not to be a new formidable prescriptive wall but out of our pith as editors about what's pithy in valuable, sufficiently versatile articles for our real constituency, which is all the varied users, not overweening influence by any including casual mainstreams. Rather, guides to sections and contents and forms which are of greater usefulness to more.
I look forward both to adding to our shared pool, human for a while for now, with you, and personally, to those profound friendships which are beyond advocacies and shared habits and variant tastes, and which never need compromise but fully embrace those in each other as what makes us great people.
Warmly, in this New Year begun,
~ Pandelver
I noticed that author Sally Green did not have an article written on her and enthousiastically started collecting sources. I created a stub that was quickly marked with 'primary sources' and 'notability'. WIthin six days the article was reverted back to its redirect of her most notable work. I wanted to have a second opinion on this as I see male authors with the same problems that are not being turned into redirects. Do you think the revert was right? Martsniez ( talk) 07:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Short notice, but I thought some of you might be interested in this: in 45 minutes (at the top of the hour), come join the m:SWAN call which, this time, is a one-hour around-the-world-celebration of Wikipedia Day. For privacy, you can keep your audio and/or video on or off. More info and Zoom link here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#January_2023_meeting Rosiestep ( talk) 16:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Part of this is a shout out for lil contributions to lil Pegeen, but that article also raises a longstanding question for some of us:
What sources, especially translingual, do you know for citing etymologies, given that Wiktionary is by now well populated but askance to forbidden, Douglas Harper's once solo effort has made Etymonline the closest second on the web, but far less fruitful, a fraction of Wiktionary, and the bits of etymology in the few good narrow dictionaries online by language hardly venture across language boundaries very far for global metrospeak in major languages especially, or for close kinships of neighboring tribes? Resources you can share for us to use extensively?
Today I put the first half dozen cites and also more instances into what I'd found the entirely uncited but rouge Irish woman's name Pegeen article. And had as yet even missed how Auntie Mame limelighted Pegeen into the 21st century.
Pegeen was stylish in English earlier last century; this article had already started by saying Pegeen is Anglicized Irish for "little Peig" or "little Margaret" but doesn't even explain, why Margaret? Some of us have already heard Margaret's from the Greek word for 'Pearl'. I don't know myself the particular descent from Pearl to Peg and Peggy perhaps? to the obvious use of that cute Celto Gaelic diminutive -een to form Pegeen. So the raw facts in the first line so far are true but don't illuminate readers yet, no tingles of understanding or artful appreciation. Nacreous etym's the evocative flow between people's cultures, creating these words with which we gleam our interflows on W, a no neh?
Please jump in there if you've the Irish gall to better blush Pegeen's cheeks, it's a small task, but relies on the big grace of knowing a Wiki-venerable online source or having an authoritative tome of English, Celto Gaelic, Greek or interlingua reference which captures this etym or a social history of the name's migration or permutation. And I've made an edit note by each of the first 2 literary/ arts fictive instances where the Pegeens from Playboy of the Western World and the 1920 film yearn for better subentries. Always welcome you working hand in hand, thanks. And perhaps you'll bring more outstandging women named Pegeen to light for everyone, I especially imagine if you can delve out those from Ireland and Scotland for sure, and perhaps cognates in Wales, Brittany and adopted into English, so even Aussies.
Go Brách, cairde! Pandelver ( talk) 22:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Would anyone be willing to look at two drafts of bios of Indigenous women artists that were just recently (and IMO incorrectly) rejected? They are Draft:Marlana Thompson, which I've tried to bolster, and Draft:Vicki Lee Soboleff. Thank you for any insights into this situation. Carolina-parakeet-42 ( talk) 16:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Carolina-parakeet42
It is currently being argued at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard that the Daily Mail article "Fifty years ago, SHIRLEY CONRAN launched Femail with this racy cover. Today, we recreate it for a special edition as she rejoices how women got to wear the trousers!" published in November 2018, cannot be used as a source because it doesn't qualify as the Mail talking about itself, and is thus subject to the general ruling that anything written in the Mail by anyone for any purpose, is to be treated as if it is a deliberate fabrication for the purpose of making money. Fair enough. Perhaps it is, and I guess nobody can prove Shirley isn't complicit in that fraud. As absurd as it sounds, that is the logical basis for this all encompassing ban, the prospect of deliberate fraud, not easily corrected mistakes. But I was struck by the oft seen supporting argument that by definition, anything that can only be sourced to the Mail, is de facto unimportant to Wikipedia. I wondered how this sits with members of this project. Since in my experience, for reasons well understood here I imagine, you don't have to go too far into the depth of articles like this before you reach a point where you're reading material which would be unambiguously valuable to the goals of this Project (writing women's stories), but which have been ignored by so called reliable sources. I don't know what can be done about it, short of finding a way to have Shirley independently (and it has to be independently) repeat these words in a source deemed acceptable, which may not be practical at all, given her age and the general jealousy the rest of the media has toward the hugely popular Mail, unwilling as they are to admit it is more than just a right wing rabble rouser, as pieces like this show, both in the past and the present. I hope this doesn't discourage people, but if you're thinking that there is any way or means to get the majority of Wikipedia editors to reflect on the unintended (or should the be intended?) consequences of what was a fairly lightweight and clearly prejudiced examination of the alleged issues, certainly when asking for proof that the Mail specifically has a deliberate fraud problem, one far beyond what can and has been seen at other newspapers, even the gold standard ones, you would be mistaken. If so, it does rather strike me as perhaps the biggest single example of a Wikipedia rule deliberately and permanently enshrining a gender gap as an immutable quality of Wikipedia. Thoughts welcome. DefJamKlapp ( talk) 11:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sandy Irani is a professor and former chair of computer science at UC Irvine, on leave as associate director of the Simons Institute for the Theory of Computing [3]. She is the daughter of Michigan computer science professor Keki B. Irani [4], a student of Richard M. Karp [5], a trustee of the Sage Hill School [6], a well-cited researcher on online algorithms and quantum computing [7], a recipient of the 2019 IEEE TCMF Distinguished Service Award for her leadership of the SafeTOC initiative for combating harassment at theoretical computer science conferences [8], and a newly elected ACM Fellow [9]. I normally try to make sure articles exist for all women ACM Fellows (and am in the process of checking existence for this year's batch) but in this case I have too much of a conflict of interest: she is a friend and close colleague. Maybe someone else would be interested? — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
I've just come across a funding proposal on meta - Wikidata to Gender Rescue on Wikipedia (WiGeData ) - wherein, to my admittedly quite jaundiced eye, a group of academics is intent on some form of wheel reinvention, perhaps with added spokes & such. Notable by its absence in the proposal is any pointer to past work - e.g. Humaniki & its priors; just clear blue sky and WiGeData. Perhaps we're doomed to do this, eternally, every three or four years. Anyway. Some of you here may well wish to support it; who knows. I think the MO is they need support via that page to get their grant. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 01:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Is up for deletion. Was Australian ambassador to Spain as well as Chile. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi WIRED team, we are going to organise Feminism and Folklore 2023 here on English Wiki, writing contest will start on 1 February. I would like to invite all you to sign up and participate to write/improve articles. I would also like to request the project maintainers to send a mass message to inform our WIRED members about the writing contest. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 20:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)