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(directed from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Citation cleanup, carried over here.)
Hi! I'm pretty sure this is the place to ask, so I'm asking if we could do {{ citation needed}} tag removal drives. There's a large amount–according to Category:Articles with unsourced statements, there's more than 500,000 articles containing either citation needed or {{ failed verification}} tags. So, in order to reduce those by replacing the tags with reliable sources, should we start a drive to remove and replace the tags listed above? Thanks! Tails Wx 14:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Cremastra ( talk) 11:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Each tag replaced with a citation is awarded 4 points. Removing the unsourced statement is worth 1 point.
Clearing an article of tags is awarded two extra points if the article had five tags or more, and four extra points if it had ten or more.
{{
citation needed}}
cleanup drive right now
czar 04:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Can someone please make a change? Regarding Mother of God Church in Covington, Ky.. The full name of the church is The Annunciation of the Ever Virgin Mary,Mother of God. (Not Assumption, as listed). Thank you. 72.49.116.75 ( talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps some instructions on how to sign up might be in order? Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 16:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Just signed up for Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive, not sure how many I'll get through, but it definitely seems like a worthwhile endeavour. I did want to check though, what happens in the case we need to change a sentence due to inaccuracies found in the article? Does it count as adding a citation or removing the sentence for the purposes of scoring? CSJJ104 ( talk) 18:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Question, do related templates like Template:More citations needed on a section also count for the reliability drive? 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 23:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
How exactly does the leaderboard in the June drive work? Is it only limited to 3 spots or does it change depending on how many people score at least one point? Mox Eden ( talk) 04:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! I was wondering, is there a place where users can add requests for the backlog drive? Such as, "Hey, if you're looking for an article to source, how about these from my watchlist?" Of course, users can review them or skip them or pick anything else they want to pick from, but might it be nice to have such a list? BOZ ( talk) 11:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
In the 6 hours since this month's backlog drive started, there have been 55 edits to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive page. That's great and shows there's a lot of interest in taking part, but I'd like to suggest a change in the way tallies are recorded for future drives. Seeing the number of people who had signed up, I guessed there'd be a lot of edits to that page so I decided to keep my tally at a subpage in userspace ( User:Adam Black/WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive) and have transcluded it onto the main drive page, with the intention of substituting it at the end of the drive. The reason I've done it this way is to reduce the risk of an edit conflict. I'm adding entries to the page while I work and saving it each time I take a break. This reduces the risk that I'll lose my own entries and have to dig through my contributions, or accidentally overwrite someone else's entries.
My suggestion for the next drive is that tallies be hosted on subpages instead of the main page for the drive, e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/MONTH YEAR Drive/USERNAME and transcluded onto the main list. This would also save editors a little time as the section "edit" links have been hidden, it saves scrolling all the way through the source to find your entries (not sure how it works on Visual Editor, I refuse to use that). Adam Black talk • contribs 06:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
In the June drive, for every article, are we supposed to fix all of the tags in an article, or do we just fix at least one per article? Mox Eden ( talk) 10:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Might be a bit late to do this now but would it be beneficial to add a running total of where the "all articles" category is at each day? I see it's at 521,410 as of me typing this (wow) and if we can knock it down to 510k or even 500k thought this it would be great to see. Wizardman 16:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason section editing doesn't work on the backlog page? – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
ARandomName123 has bowed out of co-ordination, so we might need a second user besides myself to help answer questions, resolve technical problems, hand out barnstars...if you still need an extra user to pitch in I'd be happy to help with technical problems. I'm away 8-10 June (it's my birthday on the 11th so I'm taking a weekend trip to London, and what better way to celebrate than with a Wikipedia meetup!) but I'll be available the rest of the month. Adam Black talk • contribs 23:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
I notice that there are two barnstars listed in awards for having 100 points. Will the one given depend on who is giving out the awards or is the points total for one of the listed barnstars off? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Re: WP:JUN24
This shouldn't be construed as a critique of the drive, the coordinator/organizer, or any participant. I think this is a great initiative. A small feedback I have, would be to appoint someone, or maybe a team of non-participating editors to verify the citations added by the top 3-5 participating editors. I am not really concerned about the self-reporting and counting for the points tally. No reason to assume they aren't fairly reporting their count. I'd like a third party to test check a small sample of the citations added by top cn tag clearers. By verify, I mean, whether the citation added supports the claim made. Also, maybe a reminder in the opening para of the event page, that quality of citations matter more over quantity. @ Cremastra: — hako9 ( talk) 20:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Have you come across any citations being added of questionable quality?I haven't. And by test check I meant, maybe checking 5 random citations out 100 or so, and only for a few top participating editors. This kind of puts a deterrent on inserting shoddy citations. I agree with a peer review-like, internal control. And I'd like to know what everyone participating thinks. Reviewing other editors is also time-consuming. And others could think it's unnecessary prying. Maybe it's best to implement something on the next cn drive instead of this one. — hako9 ( talk) 00:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
For the full 4 points for adding a citation, does a {{ citation needed}} tag have to be removed? Or is tagging any unsubstantiated sentence good enough for points? Like if a sentence should have a cn tag at the end but doesn't, does getting a source for it count for the points? Same for removal of unsubstantiated content. ThaesOfereode ( talk) 17:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
WikiProject Reliability page. |
|
Archives: 1Auto-archiving period: 30 days |
Reliability | ||||
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The contents of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check page were merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability on 11 January 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Important - Monthly after the bot creates a new Category:
{{align|center|{{resbox|'''{{large|{{Random page in category}}}}'''}}}} {{Filter category by topic}}
{{align|center|{{resbox|'''{{large|{{Random page in category}}}}'''}}}} {{Filter category by topic}} *'''Please help improve an article in this category by adding [[WP:REFB|references]] to [[WP:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that [[WP:V|verify]] content within the article. Once the reliable source references have been added, the unsourced (citation needed) tag can be removed.''' After the category has more than about 50 articles would be the appropriate time to add the above. |
(directed from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Citation cleanup, carried over here.)
Hi! I'm pretty sure this is the place to ask, so I'm asking if we could do {{ citation needed}} tag removal drives. There's a large amount–according to Category:Articles with unsourced statements, there's more than 500,000 articles containing either citation needed or {{ failed verification}} tags. So, in order to reduce those by replacing the tags with reliable sources, should we start a drive to remove and replace the tags listed above? Thanks! Tails Wx 14:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Cremastra ( talk) 11:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Each tag replaced with a citation is awarded 4 points. Removing the unsourced statement is worth 1 point.
Clearing an article of tags is awarded two extra points if the article had five tags or more, and four extra points if it had ten or more.
{{
citation needed}}
cleanup drive right now
czar 04:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Can someone please make a change? Regarding Mother of God Church in Covington, Ky.. The full name of the church is The Annunciation of the Ever Virgin Mary,Mother of God. (Not Assumption, as listed). Thank you. 72.49.116.75 ( talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps some instructions on how to sign up might be in order? Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 16:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Just signed up for Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive, not sure how many I'll get through, but it definitely seems like a worthwhile endeavour. I did want to check though, what happens in the case we need to change a sentence due to inaccuracies found in the article? Does it count as adding a citation or removing the sentence for the purposes of scoring? CSJJ104 ( talk) 18:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Question, do related templates like Template:More citations needed on a section also count for the reliability drive? 🌿MtBotany ( talk) 23:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
How exactly does the leaderboard in the June drive work? Is it only limited to 3 spots or does it change depending on how many people score at least one point? Mox Eden ( talk) 04:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! I was wondering, is there a place where users can add requests for the backlog drive? Such as, "Hey, if you're looking for an article to source, how about these from my watchlist?" Of course, users can review them or skip them or pick anything else they want to pick from, but might it be nice to have such a list? BOZ ( talk) 11:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
In the 6 hours since this month's backlog drive started, there have been 55 edits to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive page. That's great and shows there's a lot of interest in taking part, but I'd like to suggest a change in the way tallies are recorded for future drives. Seeing the number of people who had signed up, I guessed there'd be a lot of edits to that page so I decided to keep my tally at a subpage in userspace ( User:Adam Black/WikiProject Reliability/June 2024 Drive) and have transcluded it onto the main drive page, with the intention of substituting it at the end of the drive. The reason I've done it this way is to reduce the risk of an edit conflict. I'm adding entries to the page while I work and saving it each time I take a break. This reduces the risk that I'll lose my own entries and have to dig through my contributions, or accidentally overwrite someone else's entries.
My suggestion for the next drive is that tallies be hosted on subpages instead of the main page for the drive, e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability/MONTH YEAR Drive/USERNAME and transcluded onto the main list. This would also save editors a little time as the section "edit" links have been hidden, it saves scrolling all the way through the source to find your entries (not sure how it works on Visual Editor, I refuse to use that). Adam Black talk • contribs 06:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
In the June drive, for every article, are we supposed to fix all of the tags in an article, or do we just fix at least one per article? Mox Eden ( talk) 10:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Might be a bit late to do this now but would it be beneficial to add a running total of where the "all articles" category is at each day? I see it's at 521,410 as of me typing this (wow) and if we can knock it down to 510k or even 500k thought this it would be great to see. Wizardman 16:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason section editing doesn't work on the backlog page? – Muboshgu ( talk) 16:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
ARandomName123 has bowed out of co-ordination, so we might need a second user besides myself to help answer questions, resolve technical problems, hand out barnstars...if you still need an extra user to pitch in I'd be happy to help with technical problems. I'm away 8-10 June (it's my birthday on the 11th so I'm taking a weekend trip to London, and what better way to celebrate than with a Wikipedia meetup!) but I'll be available the rest of the month. Adam Black talk • contribs 23:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
I notice that there are two barnstars listed in awards for having 100 points. Will the one given depend on who is giving out the awards or is the points total for one of the listed barnstars off? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Re: WP:JUN24
This shouldn't be construed as a critique of the drive, the coordinator/organizer, or any participant. I think this is a great initiative. A small feedback I have, would be to appoint someone, or maybe a team of non-participating editors to verify the citations added by the top 3-5 participating editors. I am not really concerned about the self-reporting and counting for the points tally. No reason to assume they aren't fairly reporting their count. I'd like a third party to test check a small sample of the citations added by top cn tag clearers. By verify, I mean, whether the citation added supports the claim made. Also, maybe a reminder in the opening para of the event page, that quality of citations matter more over quantity. @ Cremastra: — hako9 ( talk) 20:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Have you come across any citations being added of questionable quality?I haven't. And by test check I meant, maybe checking 5 random citations out 100 or so, and only for a few top participating editors. This kind of puts a deterrent on inserting shoddy citations. I agree with a peer review-like, internal control. And I'd like to know what everyone participating thinks. Reviewing other editors is also time-consuming. And others could think it's unnecessary prying. Maybe it's best to implement something on the next cn drive instead of this one. — hako9 ( talk) 00:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
For the full 4 points for adding a citation, does a {{ citation needed}} tag have to be removed? Or is tagging any unsubstantiated sentence good enough for points? Like if a sentence should have a cn tag at the end but doesn't, does getting a source for it count for the points? Same for removal of unsubstantiated content. ThaesOfereode ( talk) 17:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)