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I'm hoping to make a concerted effort in coming weeks to improve our articles on national parks, and have found some good sources. Using the 1980 book by Jenkins (p72-73) as an initial guide for which ones to start with, and collecting gazettal information, Green Book information (1974) and stuff off Naturebase as well as any specialist material. The first ones out of the box will probably be Alexander Morrison National Park, Tathra National Park, Cape Range National Park, Kalbarri National Park and Millstream-Chichester National Park. If anyone has any suggestions apart from the above to improve these, feel welcome to offer them :) Thanks Orderinchaos 12:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
petedavo 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Needs attention if anyone has time. — Moondyne 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
We should probably keep a watch on what goes up on the other wikis, but I noticed Cossack is up for deletion on the Italian Wikipedia - it's basically the first line of ours. Anyone know Italian? :P Orderinchaos 02:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
petedavo 03:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I've added some pics and other content to Rockingham and would welcome more [non-vandalistic (:-))] additions. Cheers Bjenks 11:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The bottom par at Australasian_Journal_of_Philosophy may interest some project members. Bjenks 04:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I was just having a look around the W.A.-related material on Wikisource, and noticed that there is was no category structure in place there for the works of Western Australian authors. This got me wondering about Western Australian writers that died before 1954, and hence have public domain material available for upload to Wikisource. Naturally I came here to Wikipedia to check, and to my surprise I found that we do not yet have a category for Western Australian writers category, despite having a very well populated and subcategorised
Category:Australian writers.
What do you guys think? Isn't it time we rolled out Category:Western Australian writers or Category:Writers from Western Australia or something? I would do it myself, but I don't have time to think it through and follow it through this month, and besides, deep down, I just don't give a care about literature all that much. Hesperian 11:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Presently working on articles for Colin Jamieson, Ron Davies (both Labor opp leaders during the Charles Court era) and Barry MacKinnon (Liberal during Burke/Dowding) - if any of you have or know of any source material I can use, would be happy to hear about it :) I have access to the Biographical Register, regularly visit the Battye and have a few books out on loan, and will probably get copies of the "Political Chronicle" from the AJPH for the relevant period as well. Orderinchaos 06:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Add Bill Hassell and Ian Taylor to the above list. Would also seem that Malcolm Bryce (deputy Labor leader under Jamieson/Davies/Burke) deserves the research necessary to get an article happening - seems like a thoroughly interesting person! Orderinchaos 05:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
(Crosspost from WP:PERTH)
The bids are about to close. Per [1], if anyone is of a different opinion to me that we are not ready to bid and wants to improve the bid to an acceptable standard (I'm inclined to support Melbourne in their bid at this stage), please fix it within 24 hours, or it will not be made official. I would hope that if this occurs, that the bid be of a professional standard that does our city proud. Orderinchaos 03:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you guys know that [[Western Australia]] is a red-link on Commons? Sure, we have Commons:Category:Western Australia, and it is getting nicely populated. But no-one has attempted to make a gallery.
What would you put in a W.A. gallery? It makes for quite an interesting challenge, does it not? Bear with me while I think this through James-Joyce-stream-of-consciousness style.
It starts easy: a good map, the flag, the coat of arms, the floral, faunal and ornithological emblems. After that, it gets a lot harder.
Iconic places? - Perth and the Swan from Kings Park? Cable Beach? - there's a fine line between iconic and cliched. Valley of the Giants? Karijini?
Politics - Carpenter if we had a picture. Government House. Forrest? Curtin?
History? - a good pic of an indigenous Australian to represent original custodianship. A picture of the Batavia to represent early sightings. The Foundation of Perth 1829. That famous montage of the original Legislative Council. Forrest. Something to represent the gold rush. The pipeline. A digger or two. The wheat belt. ...
Natural history - a photo of each of the Major Vegetation Groups to occur in W.A. should capture the overall feel of the place. Some good coastline pics. Maybe a cave.
Industry - Lots of natural resources stuff - e.g. an offshore rig. Perhaps offset with a picture of some Burrup rock art and a trogloditic mygalomorph ;-)
Culture: The WACA. Dennis Lillee. Northerly. Winton.
And so forth.
Any interest in continuing discussion, and/or being bold and making a start?
Hesperian 05:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Has apparently died a couple of days ago. — Moondyne 00:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I propose to delete Portal:Western Australia, on the grounds that
Your thoughts right here please. Anyone who suggests I take this to MFD will be subjected to a geriatric rant about what Wikipedia was like in the good old days when a quorum of interested persons could actually make a decision, without needing a pointless bureaucratic process to ratify it. Oops, too late, you got the rant already. Hesperian 02:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not so sure.
— Moondyne 03:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Dormancy should have a time stamp on it rather than whims - like untouched for 6 months - check with originator/participant, give them a week to respod. silence. check for any new help - if silence - then chop Satu Suro 04:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Object - having gone pulled some more weeds and thought about it, and some other things carefully - if there is no other candidate to - pick it up again - I will start working on the portal regularly after next weekend (ie the 17th Sept 07) - and would welcome any clues/help/advice/etc - I do happen to think it is a useful lead into more than the wa project - and am prepared to pickup where the founder left it off - and hope to disprove 1,2,3, above - however if after a period of time any of the 1-3 items or real life at my end becomes problematic again - I'm out. However until then I would prefer support rather than delete notes. Satu Suro 05:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
If it is kept, IMHO, the to-do section is inappropriate there - it belongs in the project page (only). — Moondyne 06:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
SatuSuro: okay, that's fine. So long as it is being maintained, I'll withdraw my request to delete it.
Hesperian 06:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. Lets allocate some responsibilities so it isn't too much of a burden on one person. Add your name next the the section you'd like to be responsible for (more than one person for each is fine).
2, 3 and 5 are selected randomly from a pre-made list, so its just a matter of populating the lists. — Moondyne 09:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Cripes go out into the rain to transport the teenager to something and suddenly there's all this - umm.... Thanks guys - I thought it was gonna be a quiet solitary exercise but wow - hey thanks for the moral and literal....
One issue is at what point do we assign portal tags to articles - I have had various ideas re the Indonesia project and I suggested there that we never assign a portal tag to stub arts there - would that be the same here? Satu Suro 11:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengkulu - is a recently edited item that has the portal tag towards the lower right hand side - are you saying it is better not to have them? Satu Suro 12:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Will there be a system whereby users can suggest pictures (etc.) for next months selected picture (etc)? this feature would help increase community involvement in the portal, and therefore increase participation. Thoughts? Twenty Years 12:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I had a nice email from a member of the Kalamunda Zig-Zag Railway preservation site [2] He's basically offered to help with any information there that can be used on our pages. So if there is anything specific either let me know and I'll pass it on or contact him per the contact link on that page. — Moondyne 01:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow Perthlings (and Westerners). I have made a semi-detailed, clickable SVG map of towns in WA, which you can see at User:Mark/temp
Template:Map of Western Australia. My question is what should be done with it? Put it on
Geography of Western Australia? Give it its own page? It could be scaled down, but would be mostly illegible. -
Mark 11:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've put it in a template at Template:Map of Western Australia, mostly so I can start using my sandbox for the next SVG/image map I'm fiddling with :) This is quite fun. - Mark 15:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've also created Template:Perth railway map which might be useful for suburban railway articles. - Mark 08:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a bit cheeky, but it is almost impossible for me to get to the Battye Library these days, so I'll put it out there:
If anyone finds themselves in the position of being simultaneously (a) bored; (b) rich; and (c) at the Battye Library, I require a copy of the journal of Archibald Menzies; or rather, the 30-odd pages of his journal pertaining to his visit to King George Sound.
Battye has two documents. One is a photocopy of the handwritten diary. This has the best provenance, but I don't know how hard his handwriting will be to decipher, and it is kept in the private archive stack, which means you would have to have a researcher' ticket to access it. [3] The other appears to be a typescript transcription, which would be better for me for most purposes, and is kept in the regular stack, so can be accessed by the average Joe via a stack request. [4]
I don't really expect anyone to help me out here, so feel free not to. If you do, I'll gladly repay your photocopying costs in cash or in kind.
Hesperian 00:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Working on a draft at User:Orderinchaos/Colin Jamieson, about to start on the political career, but is that too much, too little or about right detail for personal? (I can expand a bit from the Bio Reg if needed). I'm not terribly experienced with the biographies, so I thought I'd put it out there. Orderinchaos 10:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the articles in Category:Protected areas of Western Australia and Category:National parks of Western Australia have Fact Sheet sections that need converting to Template:Infobox protected area of Australia. TRS-80 06:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
(there is a tenuous link between the two questions). — Moondyne 12:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this guy notable or is this the work of bored schoolkids writing about their teacher? I have never heard of the guy. Orderinchaos 04:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I just discarded ten minutes of my life by wandering back through the history of Western Australia (not the history of Western Australia) looking for the last time it got a serious edit, not vandalism, not reversion, not dicking around with the taxobox. I had to go back to this edit by an anon on 20 August. Before that: this edit, also by an anon, on 22 May. I gave up looking for more in late-April. Only two real edits, both by anons, in six months. What does it all mean? Hesperian 05:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
In September this discussion took place about creating a gallery on Commons for WA. The result is this please add and modify as necessary, further galleries like Perth are now being made. IMHO I have too many images in the gallery and would appreciate if other alternative images could be found, to provide differing perspective. Gnan garra 02:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a few. SeanMack 16:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
With the federal election now upon us and Wikipedia receiving a lot of attention, I've decided to make the WA divisions look somewhat more professional than previously. Could someone have a look over Division of Moore and see if I've missed anything, if any of the detail seems irrelevant, etc, as I intend to use it as a base from which to launch articles for all 15. As some of you are aware, the current ones were essentially plagiarised off Antony Green and don't really tell the reader anything they couldn't find on either his site or the AEC's. Orderinchaos 05:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the above article be split between the river and the town? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 12:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyone likely to be near it with a camera any time soon? (This is for an actual drive in the cemetery, not a gravesite.) -- Orderinchaos 08:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi all. Some of the editors here may have more idea than myself on the notability and/or categorisation of the above article. There is nothing provided in the way of sources at present. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 23:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've commented along the lines that this article seems to have been created and managed by Big Brother. Since this is a civilian police unit, it surely warrants some further explication about, eg, its role in managing peaceful protest (as per the recent Sydney APEC fiasco in which they no doubt participated as a training exercise) and the occasional excesses of gunfire (eg, one past execution against the WACA wall). Any comments or suggestions, friends? -- Bjenks 04:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
has been taking a hammering from a series of new and anon accounts, some of which look conflicted of interest to me. The most recent edit deleted her date of birth, for reasons unknown. Does anyone care? Can't say I do. Hesperian 23:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Had a look at Geoscience Australia and could not find evidence of existence for this locality. Locals will know if this place exists better than I do. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 23:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Glen Eagle very easy to cleanup with the help of henrietta - gotta get off - someone needs to do a cleanup at Oldbury, Western Australia - needs similar treatment - wikify project tag and some refs - etc etc Satu Suro 01:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Is now mostly digitised and has an online and free keyword search facility [7]. For example, did you know that the Rottnest Island Lighthouse flashing pattern was changed in 1895? [8] — Moondyne 03:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, the Electoral district of Mitchell (Western Australia) was effectively renamed to Electoral district of Leschenault with minor boundary changes in 2001(?). Do we list Mitchell as abolished or just make it a redirect? I suppose what I'm asking is, what does "abolished" actually mean? — Moondyne 02:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I heard on the radio this morning that he'd died recently, but cannot find any news stories to verify. Has anyone seen anything? — Moondyne 01:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago, somewhere in discussion, I promised to dig up a classic photo of Jamo and the lads. In the days when Hawkie was Caesar, I showed it to some Parlt House press gallery mates, and it brought tears to the eyes (mirth, of course!). Well, here it is for your consideration. Cheers Bjenks 04:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I was shocked by the inadequacy of the article on this important topic and have registered on its discussion page an offer to take it on and improve it (in time). Are there any other takers, please? As a guide, the State Library of Victoria has much better coverage. Bjenks ( talk) 04:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
When looking through articles about the suburbs in particular the southern burbs of Perth please adjust any discussion about the Mandurah to indicate it has opened. Also most bus routes and numbers in the southern areas have changed as of the 24th, please check this information as well. Gnan garra 07:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
User:Somno has given us this gem which has been on my to-do list for yonks. If anyone's going down that way, please take a photo and upload. — Moondyne 01:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've managed to get a complete mayors' list from the Fremantle Library's historical section staff. Could someone please look through the unlinked ones (they take the form A.B. Surname)? I don't know enough about the very early history to determine who they are, but many of the names look familiar. Orderinchaos 13:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Just did this one - as I'm fairly inexperienced at biographies I'd like someone to look this over and see if it can be improved. I'll probably be doing a lot of them in the near future so I'm quite happy to pick up what I can with these early ones. :) Orderinchaos 18:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Fortuyn and Fortuyn (ship) need merging. — Moondyne 15:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I went out very early this morning to get some photos of the railway station, Mt Charlotte reservoir, Mt Percy reservoir, bit of original pipeline etc for the railway related and pipeline articles. Unfortunately the early light doesn't enhance signage and I might have another go tomorrow (Monday, 28/1) if it isn't still too hot. Any requests while I'm out and about? • Florrie• leave a note• 06:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the XfD announcement section on the noticeboard?! Anyhoo, Category:Public servants of Western Australia is at TfD. Hesperian 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is looking for something to do, the following are all the articles with {{ fact}}, {{ who}}, {{ citation needed}}, etc, tags in the Western Australia category tree:
Aboriginal history of Western Australia — Alinta — Anigozanthos manglesii — Applecross Senior High School — Australian Railroad Group — Australian Raven — Batavia (ship) — Batavia Road (boat) — Bentley, Western Australia — Bluff Knoll — Brad Hardie — Broad-billed Sandpiper — Broome Regional Prison — Budgerigar — Bunbury, Western Australia — Busselton, Western Australia — Busselton Jetty — Cadoux, Western Australia — Cape to Cape Track — Carine Senior High School — Cartman (band) — Cockatiel — Cockburn Sound — Colin Barnett — Common Pheasant — Convict era of Western Australia — Cosima De Vito — Cottesloe, Western Australia — Currambine railway station, Perth — Dampier Archipelago — Daniel Chick — Daniel Kerr — Dave Warner — Dawesville Channel — Division of Hasluck — Division of Kalgoorlie — Division of Swan — Dowerin, Western Australia — Eastern brown snake — Edeline Islands — Edith Cowan University — Exmouth, Western Australia — Frederick Clause — Fremantle, Western Australia — Girrawheen, Western Australia — Golden West Network — Hal Gibson Pateshall Colebatch — Heathridge, Western Australia — History of Western Australia — Houtman Abrolhos — INXS — Jamie Coyne — John Molloy — John Rivett-Carnac — Julie Bishop — Kent Street Senior High School — Kim Salmon — Kwinana Freeway — Lakeside Joondalup Shopping City — Leatherback turtle — Loggerhead Sea Turtle — Mal Brown — Mallard — Mandurah railway line, Perth — Margaret River, Western Australia — Martha Rendell — Martine Locke — Mary Anne Group — Merredin, Western Australia — Mitchell Freeway — Mount Augustus National Park — Mount Henry Peninsula — Murdoch University — Murujuga — Northbridge, Western Australia — Northern Suburbs Transit System — Nullarbor Plain — Ocean Reef Senior High School — Perth, Western Australia — Perth Airport — Perth Glory FC — Port Hedland, Western Australia — Principality of Hutt River — Queens Park, Western Australia — Red Knot — Riverview Church — Rottnest Island — Ryley Dunn — Scotch College, Perth — Scott Gumbleton — Showgrounds railway station, Perth — SmartRider — Snowman (band) — Sooty Tern — Stirling Range — Sunset Coast CLC — Suze DeMarchi — Swan River Colony — Swinhoe's Storm-petrel — Thornlie, Western Australia — Transperth B-series train — University of Notre Dame Australia — University of Western Australia — Victoria Park railway station, Perth — WOW (TV station) — Wagyl — Wembley Downs, Western Australia — West Coast Eagles — Westrail — White-throated Needletail — Whitfords railway station, Perth — Willagee, Western Australia — Willie Wagtail —
A. O. Neville —
Adam Gilchrist —
Adam Selwood —
Alan Fletcher —
Alexander Heights, Western Australia —
Alfred Bussell —
Arthur Marshall (politician) —
Baldivis, Western Australia —
Banksia prionotes —
Banksia rosserae —
Beaconsfield, Western Australia —
Ben Hollioake —
Brad Hogg —
Broome, Western Australia —
Canning Highway —
Cephalotus* —
Chris Rogers (cricketer) —
Christabel Chamarette —
Cockatoo Island (Western Australia) —
Curtin University of Technology —
Dirk Hartog Island —
Elizabeth Jolley —
Eucalyptus marginata —
Eucla Basin —
Flatback Turtle —
Fourth Floor Collapse—
Fremantle Arts Centre —
Gemma Ward —
Geoff Gallop —
Geraldton, Western Australia —
Great Egret —
Haylie Ecker —
Hazelmere, Western Australia —
Heath Ledger —
High Wycombe, Western Australia —
Hopetoun, Western Australia —
Hungry Jack's —
Jamie Harnwell —
Jeff Farmer (footballer) —
John Butler (musician) —
Joseph Schwab —
Judi Moylan —
Judy Nunn —
Justin Langer —
Kalgoorlie, Western Australia —
Karrinyup Shopping Centre —
Kate Beahan —
Kingsley Fairbridge —
Luke Pomersbach —
Madura, Western Australia —
Magpie-goose —
Methodist Ladies' College, Perth —
Michael Warren (Australian rules footballer) —
Mullaloo, Western Australia —
Murdoch College —
Nik Mrdja —
Nikolai Topor-Stanley —
North Island (Houtman Abrolhos) —
Outcome-based education —
Parkwood, Western Australia —
Peter Walsh (federal politician) —
Portulaca oleracea —
Post Newspapers —
Prosh (University of Western Australia) —
Quindanning, Western Australia —
Quinten Lynch —
Rally Australia —
Richard Trowbridge —
Rolf Harris —
Rove McManus —
Shire of Ngaanyatjarraku —
Simon Colosimo —
South Beach railway station, Perth —
Southern Boobook —
Southern Cross, Western Australia —
Thorny Devil —
Walter Lindrum —
Western Shield —
WestNet Rail —
Woodlands, Western Australia —
Yokine, Western Australia
*contains a {{ Howto}} tag
Feel free to move this list to a more sensible place, if you can think of one. Hesperian 03:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I spent a couple of hours picking apart the vector map of WA I made several months ago, to create individual locator dot maps of the towns on the map. They're in this category on Commons. I was almost finished doing it when I was reminded by someone that you can do dot maps using templates and a base, blank, map nowadays. Bummer. But at least this one is labelled and also marks where Perth is. Are they worth putting into articles, perhaps to replace the ones like this? Either way, they're there to use if anyone wants to. There were a lot of places I left off that original vector map (e.g. Narrogin, Dwellingup...); I can do dot maps for those with a bit more effort if anyone is interested. - Mark 05:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Picked up some questionable editing loading the article in a particular direction which actually seems to be coming from a state government department ( User:Dlgrd). I've tried my best to fix the thing, but with few sources, it's difficult - but I do know from people who have had dealings up there that there are serious questions as to the Government's case on this one, and having the government turn our article into a safety warning is not entirely appropriate. I'm going to be insanely busy this week so would appreciate a few watchful eyes on this one. Orderinchaos 18:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm starting on this, will be going to take photos etc in the coming week or so. Are there any people of interest, memorials in the cemetery that would benefit from specific photos. Gnan garra 00:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Clarance WA, folks to watch out for its the settlement started by Peel, in dec 1829 until may 1830. [13] will need an article if you see any refs please drop me a note or link at User:Gnangarra/Clarence thanks. Gnan garra 01:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"Captain Stirling could be very persuasive when he liked. The Murray River began to gleam with the allure of far waters, and the proposed townsite, for which two names were suggested — either Georgetown (for the present king, George IV), or Clarence (for the heir apparent) — sound both dignified and agreeable."
— Hasluck, Alexandra (1965). Thomas Peel of Swan River. Melbourne: Oxford University Press. p. 75.
Hesperian 10:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I went to Woodman Point jetty recently and found they have recently re-sealed the paths along the ridge above the beach, and installed a plaque which, if I recall correctly, referred to an old settlement in the vicinity. I wonder if this is Clarence. My memory is a bit hazy. Either way, I'll eventually get around to going back and taking a photograph of the plaque. - Mark 15:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There are also two "1836 Clarence Maps" here. I'm not sure which parts of them correspond to the township of Clarence, though, and I suspect that if the answer to the location of the town was as simple as looking at old maps, then the archaeologists wouldn't be scratching their heads wondering where the town was. - Mark 15:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Bradley John Murdoch needs to be moved to Bradley John Murdoch was wrongly convicted and should be freed immediately. Hesperian 23:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
WAPC has a resource of maps from the above. [15] which may be useful for more broad Perth articles. I reckon under the PD rules these maps are allowable as public domain, as I rationalised at Talk:Gordon Stephenson. Any comments there. — Moondyne click! 03:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I am here to propose the deletion of the WP:Perth project. My reasons are as follows;
Any thoughts on this? Thanks. Twenty Years 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking for a photo of a car registration plate that says "Home of the America's Cup". There must be some still around. — Moondyne click! 02:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Per m:Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation#Incorporation_meeting, they're proposing to hold an incorporation meeting on either Sunday 13 April or 20 April. Some suggestion of meetups around the country for this. Can we get some Perth people together on one of those dates? (It's literally just before I leave for Melbourne again, so I'm free.) Orderinchaos 14:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi we have an issue at some of our railway line articles where there is now more graphic material than we can cope with - and not a ref or cite in sight.
I believe as a project we need to have consensus as to graphic information and where we have a limit or not - comments please fellow project lurkers Satu Suro 07:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
A big problem is the enthusiasm to put duplicate graphic information as well as blocks of info and not one cite or ref is there - Satu Suro 08:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jlong 2008 here!!! the Creater of that map on the fremantle line... Thanks for making a 13yr old's feelings hurt... i put lots of effort into that! There is no coopyright issues in it i think... The bus logo i made my self. The writing is just random writing i found on my puter, i got the colours as close as possible and also... it was made originally for an english assignment! I got lots of praise from my computer teachers and art teachers for that!... they watched me make it!!! so anyway... now I've made ones for all the transperth and transwa lines for no use now! plus i was just making the pages a bit more attractive. One user from the perth thingy said that it would be a great idea for me to make one for every line... which i did! i even made the station signs to go on the station pages.. but who care bout that... now i feel bad bout wat i did... BYE! --Jlong2008 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about starting again - i thought of making station signs like they do on the sydney and brisbane ststions... is that a good idea?Or Not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlong2008 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Increasingly cites from wikipedia and this morning (Saturday 15th) - edition an article is written with a refutation of the wikipedia version of west australian political history - it is clearly we are now 'open game' for the journalists of the west to either play with (using full grabs for their info please page)or bat against.
So suggestion - is anyone for a sub page of this project to tabulate hist and misses by local media? It is interesting to note as the West is only local daily neswpaper they even now channel corrections (page 3) - as if they know what they write about - their lifting material from wire sources no longer gets cited (cf the australian) and they write as if they do not have to tell us their sources - perhaps we need to keep them in check when they cite us :| Satu Suro 04:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I never stated specifically attack on wp - more a use for a story starter - Satu Suro 06:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
No problems, the way I wrote above could be easily taken that way - I still think a sub page on their use of WP in any sense would be an interesting exercise Satu Suro 06:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Spooky. I knocked this out on thursday. cygnis insignis 07:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'll try to deal with this in some detail, since I'm the one being quoted. For those who haven't seen it, the article is question is a Len Findlay profile on Fred Riebeling, one of the longest serving members of Parliament in Australia, who is about to retire. The opening couple of paragraphs read
Wikipedia states that Joseph Peter Gardiner's "sudden and still unexplained" departure from WA in 1914 was an important factor in the collapse of John Scaddan's Labor government.
Fred Riebeling knows better.
The longest-serving Speaker in a mainland State Parliament has on his office wall a beautiful picture of Gardiner with his new fiancee, Mary Alice Holman, taken in 1913 when Gardiner was the member for Roebourne. The pair married on May 9, 1914 but never lived together. Riebeling explains: "Her father took Gardiner aside and told him, 'I don't like you and next time I see you I will probably kill you.'
"Gardiner shot through and Labor lost the subsequent election.
The disappointing thing about this is that a superficial read will lead to the impression that Wikipedia doesn't know what it is talking about. However, a more thorough read reveals that Riebeling's position is consistent with ours in asserting that Gardiner's sudden departure was an important factor in the collapse of the Scaddan Government. The only point of difference is that Riebeling reckons he knows why, whereas we claim that it is "still unexplained". Findlay is therefore not saying that the article is wrong. He is trying to show us how Riebeling knows all sorts of stuff that is not mainstream knowledge. In doing so, he holds up Wikipedia as a bastion of mainstream knowledge, and shows how Riebeling knows stuff that even we don't know. I'm prepared to take that as a backhanded compliment.
Secondly, if Findlay wanted to give an example of the insight into WA political history that Riebeling has by virtue of being a long-serving minister, he could have done a lot better than choose an event that happened nearly 40 years before Riebeling was born, and nearly eighty years before he won a seat in Parliament. Findlay insinuates that Riebeling has privileged information, but Riebeling certainly does not. Riebeling wasn't there; he wasn't even born yet. And he doesn't have any privileged access to archival material that isn't also available to the WA parliamentary historian David Black, who writes of how "the governement lost Roebourne to the Liberals on November 17 at a by-election brought about by the mysterious and still unexplained departure from the state of the sitting Labor member" (A New History of Western Australia, p. 386) and how "the Labor Member for Roebourne, J P Gardiner, left the State in mysterious circumstances" (The House on the Hill, p. 100). The fact is, Riebeling is here dealing in parliamentary scuttlebutt, scuttlebutt that Black didn't think worth repeating.
Finally, I see that this has already been added to the article. I agree that it merits adding, but it needs to be done carefully, so as not to attribute Riebeling with more authority on the topic than he actually has. Also, if we're going to add Riebeling's point of view, we might also add Colin Jamieson's, which is that "Gardiner's departure arose from the failed marriage" (The House on the Hill, p. 144).
Hesperian 10:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
To re-jig this all to become a good pair of articles - the history and the timeline need help with copyedit, chasing refs and general cleanup - please join in.
The timeline and the article are symbiotic - and the lead paragraph of the history has yet to be written - and many smaller items in the timeline do not really belong to a west australian article - any suggestions to editing to maintain integrity of the list and article would be apprecited - thanks Satu Suro 02:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I am currently making a transperth trainline map like the one on their trains - it will have some extra information on it unlike their one!-- Jlong2008 ( talk) 09:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone interested in doing some changes at the portal (so we can take off the under constructions sign?) Satu Suro 00:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The population figures are being changed almost every day at this stage by IP's - and intrepid admin mark tries to hold the fort - anyone interested in resoliving this issue at all? Satu Suro 12:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Can I get a review of my revert here please? And perhaps some eyes on the article for the next few days. Hesperian 23:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Mciver and claisebrook have extra histery on their pages... Midland and Armadale/Thornlie line Stations are now in the works. I'm finally trying new things now .. Yay.-- Jlong2008 ( talk) 01:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
For anyone who hasnt noticed - a preponderance of western australian editors starred in credits at the australia wikiproject item http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost Satu Suro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
On a recent hunt for refs for Caversham airfield - found the following - Lance Muir, Richard Duckworth, N. Hyde, (1946?) Flight without power - the art in Australia [videorecording]1 videocassette (VHS) (12 min., 2 sec.) : si., col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2 in. PAL format [State Film Archives collection] Showing the activities of gliding clubs in the various Australian states. Shows local enthusiast, Ric New, and activities at the bases of operations at Lake Pinjar (Pinjar Soaring Club), West Subiaco (WA Flying Club) and Caversham (Perth Gliding Club) in 1941 and 1946. WA segment is appr. 3 mins.
The interesting bit is West Subiaco (WA Flying club) - does anyone have the slightest whether that means a ground - or airfield - anyone know where it might have been ? Satu Suro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
West Subiaco Aerodrome, McGilvray Oval opposite Perry Lakes and behind CSIRO. [20] There's even a map. — Moondyne click! 07:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
How unfortunate - as articles they are neither a proper disambig, nor developed nor referenced nor really notable (in a few senses) - what a rather stupid decision Satu Suro 05:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Esplanade_Hotel on wikipedia at the moment links to a (expletives deleted) hotel in melbourne - anyone got the loot on the perth and freo establishments of the same name? Satu Suro 05:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Perth one was very much like the barracks arch for many - the rot had set in - most of the old st geos terrace had been flattened to make way for crud - and the espanade hotel was notable in that it was like the terrace buildings given the chop without much of a bleat from the pollies or any cos here was no legislation to preserve anything at that stage (1972)
Henrietta has enough to make it one of the notable hotesl that got the chop before any legal constraints were available to government to say hey! also connection with harper family,
Bedford Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Esplanade Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Paddington Hotel (Perth, W.A.)
Published Gregory, Jenny. City of light, p.114+, Satu Suro 06:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Indeed thats three significantly notable esplanade hotels that need disambiguation and articles, sigh Satu Suro 12:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
And while you're at it, don't forget the Palace Hotel, Perth, which was built on the site of the Freemason's Hotel which was owned by Julian Carr, Mayor of Perth. — Moondyne click! 02:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[22] Seems to have been down for at least the last several days. Does anyone now if its been moved? — Moondyne click! 02:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
No just having trouble to get up again from its changes - dont wait for it - might be a bit longer yet Satu Suro 02:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to invite general comment on the inclusion or otherwise of some material in the Estelle Blackburn article which is questioned by Cygnis Insignis. The details can be seen in the talk page for the article. As I've pointed out on my talk page under the heading BLP this has the potential to affect other articles/references, the "Claremont" article in particular. I also post this to the Australian Wikipedians' notice board Retarius | Talk 06:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
As an uninvolved third party I'm happy to call this closed. Cygnis isn't around at the moment, so there's no point waiting for his blessing. He can always re-open this upon his return. Five days is plenty of time. Let's make the change and move on. Hesperian 00:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
This may be of interest to people with recent picts of WA, it may also be of interest to watch and maybe contact the photographer if a place needing has a picture added. Gnan garra 11:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyone have an opinion whether a similar distinction could be made of Perth in comparison with the Brisbane separation:-
interested in opinions Satu Suro 09:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Remember the WA Portal? Well, it would like your suggestions for articles and pictures to feature! If you have a little time, please nominate quality articles and pictures (generally rated B-class and above, but can be Start-class if on an important topic - refer here for criteria) related to WA. The portal is queued to automatically update the selected article monthly, but weekly would be preferable eventually. We can queue large numbers of articles in advance to avoid the need to update it every week. Thanks, Somno ( talk) 03:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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I'm hoping to make a concerted effort in coming weeks to improve our articles on national parks, and have found some good sources. Using the 1980 book by Jenkins (p72-73) as an initial guide for which ones to start with, and collecting gazettal information, Green Book information (1974) and stuff off Naturebase as well as any specialist material. The first ones out of the box will probably be Alexander Morrison National Park, Tathra National Park, Cape Range National Park, Kalbarri National Park and Millstream-Chichester National Park. If anyone has any suggestions apart from the above to improve these, feel welcome to offer them :) Thanks Orderinchaos 12:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
petedavo 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Needs attention if anyone has time. — Moondyne 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
We should probably keep a watch on what goes up on the other wikis, but I noticed Cossack is up for deletion on the Italian Wikipedia - it's basically the first line of ours. Anyone know Italian? :P Orderinchaos 02:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
petedavo 03:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I've added some pics and other content to Rockingham and would welcome more [non-vandalistic (:-))] additions. Cheers Bjenks 11:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The bottom par at Australasian_Journal_of_Philosophy may interest some project members. Bjenks 04:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I was just having a look around the W.A.-related material on Wikisource, and noticed that there is was no category structure in place there for the works of Western Australian authors. This got me wondering about Western Australian writers that died before 1954, and hence have public domain material available for upload to Wikisource. Naturally I came here to Wikipedia to check, and to my surprise I found that we do not yet have a category for Western Australian writers category, despite having a very well populated and subcategorised
Category:Australian writers.
What do you guys think? Isn't it time we rolled out Category:Western Australian writers or Category:Writers from Western Australia or something? I would do it myself, but I don't have time to think it through and follow it through this month, and besides, deep down, I just don't give a care about literature all that much. Hesperian 11:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Presently working on articles for Colin Jamieson, Ron Davies (both Labor opp leaders during the Charles Court era) and Barry MacKinnon (Liberal during Burke/Dowding) - if any of you have or know of any source material I can use, would be happy to hear about it :) I have access to the Biographical Register, regularly visit the Battye and have a few books out on loan, and will probably get copies of the "Political Chronicle" from the AJPH for the relevant period as well. Orderinchaos 06:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Add Bill Hassell and Ian Taylor to the above list. Would also seem that Malcolm Bryce (deputy Labor leader under Jamieson/Davies/Burke) deserves the research necessary to get an article happening - seems like a thoroughly interesting person! Orderinchaos 05:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
(Crosspost from WP:PERTH)
The bids are about to close. Per [1], if anyone is of a different opinion to me that we are not ready to bid and wants to improve the bid to an acceptable standard (I'm inclined to support Melbourne in their bid at this stage), please fix it within 24 hours, or it will not be made official. I would hope that if this occurs, that the bid be of a professional standard that does our city proud. Orderinchaos 03:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you guys know that [[Western Australia]] is a red-link on Commons? Sure, we have Commons:Category:Western Australia, and it is getting nicely populated. But no-one has attempted to make a gallery.
What would you put in a W.A. gallery? It makes for quite an interesting challenge, does it not? Bear with me while I think this through James-Joyce-stream-of-consciousness style.
It starts easy: a good map, the flag, the coat of arms, the floral, faunal and ornithological emblems. After that, it gets a lot harder.
Iconic places? - Perth and the Swan from Kings Park? Cable Beach? - there's a fine line between iconic and cliched. Valley of the Giants? Karijini?
Politics - Carpenter if we had a picture. Government House. Forrest? Curtin?
History? - a good pic of an indigenous Australian to represent original custodianship. A picture of the Batavia to represent early sightings. The Foundation of Perth 1829. That famous montage of the original Legislative Council. Forrest. Something to represent the gold rush. The pipeline. A digger or two. The wheat belt. ...
Natural history - a photo of each of the Major Vegetation Groups to occur in W.A. should capture the overall feel of the place. Some good coastline pics. Maybe a cave.
Industry - Lots of natural resources stuff - e.g. an offshore rig. Perhaps offset with a picture of some Burrup rock art and a trogloditic mygalomorph ;-)
Culture: The WACA. Dennis Lillee. Northerly. Winton.
And so forth.
Any interest in continuing discussion, and/or being bold and making a start?
Hesperian 05:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Has apparently died a couple of days ago. — Moondyne 00:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I propose to delete Portal:Western Australia, on the grounds that
Your thoughts right here please. Anyone who suggests I take this to MFD will be subjected to a geriatric rant about what Wikipedia was like in the good old days when a quorum of interested persons could actually make a decision, without needing a pointless bureaucratic process to ratify it. Oops, too late, you got the rant already. Hesperian 02:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not so sure.
— Moondyne 03:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Dormancy should have a time stamp on it rather than whims - like untouched for 6 months - check with originator/participant, give them a week to respod. silence. check for any new help - if silence - then chop Satu Suro 04:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Object - having gone pulled some more weeds and thought about it, and some other things carefully - if there is no other candidate to - pick it up again - I will start working on the portal regularly after next weekend (ie the 17th Sept 07) - and would welcome any clues/help/advice/etc - I do happen to think it is a useful lead into more than the wa project - and am prepared to pickup where the founder left it off - and hope to disprove 1,2,3, above - however if after a period of time any of the 1-3 items or real life at my end becomes problematic again - I'm out. However until then I would prefer support rather than delete notes. Satu Suro 05:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
If it is kept, IMHO, the to-do section is inappropriate there - it belongs in the project page (only). — Moondyne 06:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
SatuSuro: okay, that's fine. So long as it is being maintained, I'll withdraw my request to delete it.
Hesperian 06:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. Lets allocate some responsibilities so it isn't too much of a burden on one person. Add your name next the the section you'd like to be responsible for (more than one person for each is fine).
2, 3 and 5 are selected randomly from a pre-made list, so its just a matter of populating the lists. — Moondyne 09:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Cripes go out into the rain to transport the teenager to something and suddenly there's all this - umm.... Thanks guys - I thought it was gonna be a quiet solitary exercise but wow - hey thanks for the moral and literal....
One issue is at what point do we assign portal tags to articles - I have had various ideas re the Indonesia project and I suggested there that we never assign a portal tag to stub arts there - would that be the same here? Satu Suro 11:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengkulu - is a recently edited item that has the portal tag towards the lower right hand side - are you saying it is better not to have them? Satu Suro 12:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Will there be a system whereby users can suggest pictures (etc.) for next months selected picture (etc)? this feature would help increase community involvement in the portal, and therefore increase participation. Thoughts? Twenty Years 12:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I had a nice email from a member of the Kalamunda Zig-Zag Railway preservation site [2] He's basically offered to help with any information there that can be used on our pages. So if there is anything specific either let me know and I'll pass it on or contact him per the contact link on that page. — Moondyne 01:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow Perthlings (and Westerners). I have made a semi-detailed, clickable SVG map of towns in WA, which you can see at User:Mark/temp
Template:Map of Western Australia. My question is what should be done with it? Put it on
Geography of Western Australia? Give it its own page? It could be scaled down, but would be mostly illegible. -
Mark 11:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've put it in a template at Template:Map of Western Australia, mostly so I can start using my sandbox for the next SVG/image map I'm fiddling with :) This is quite fun. - Mark 15:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I've also created Template:Perth railway map which might be useful for suburban railway articles. - Mark 08:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a bit cheeky, but it is almost impossible for me to get to the Battye Library these days, so I'll put it out there:
If anyone finds themselves in the position of being simultaneously (a) bored; (b) rich; and (c) at the Battye Library, I require a copy of the journal of Archibald Menzies; or rather, the 30-odd pages of his journal pertaining to his visit to King George Sound.
Battye has two documents. One is a photocopy of the handwritten diary. This has the best provenance, but I don't know how hard his handwriting will be to decipher, and it is kept in the private archive stack, which means you would have to have a researcher' ticket to access it. [3] The other appears to be a typescript transcription, which would be better for me for most purposes, and is kept in the regular stack, so can be accessed by the average Joe via a stack request. [4]
I don't really expect anyone to help me out here, so feel free not to. If you do, I'll gladly repay your photocopying costs in cash or in kind.
Hesperian 00:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Working on a draft at User:Orderinchaos/Colin Jamieson, about to start on the political career, but is that too much, too little or about right detail for personal? (I can expand a bit from the Bio Reg if needed). I'm not terribly experienced with the biographies, so I thought I'd put it out there. Orderinchaos 10:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the articles in Category:Protected areas of Western Australia and Category:National parks of Western Australia have Fact Sheet sections that need converting to Template:Infobox protected area of Australia. TRS-80 06:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
(there is a tenuous link between the two questions). — Moondyne 12:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this guy notable or is this the work of bored schoolkids writing about their teacher? I have never heard of the guy. Orderinchaos 04:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I just discarded ten minutes of my life by wandering back through the history of Western Australia (not the history of Western Australia) looking for the last time it got a serious edit, not vandalism, not reversion, not dicking around with the taxobox. I had to go back to this edit by an anon on 20 August. Before that: this edit, also by an anon, on 22 May. I gave up looking for more in late-April. Only two real edits, both by anons, in six months. What does it all mean? Hesperian 05:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
In September this discussion took place about creating a gallery on Commons for WA. The result is this please add and modify as necessary, further galleries like Perth are now being made. IMHO I have too many images in the gallery and would appreciate if other alternative images could be found, to provide differing perspective. Gnan garra 02:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a few. SeanMack 16:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
With the federal election now upon us and Wikipedia receiving a lot of attention, I've decided to make the WA divisions look somewhat more professional than previously. Could someone have a look over Division of Moore and see if I've missed anything, if any of the detail seems irrelevant, etc, as I intend to use it as a base from which to launch articles for all 15. As some of you are aware, the current ones were essentially plagiarised off Antony Green and don't really tell the reader anything they couldn't find on either his site or the AEC's. Orderinchaos 05:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the above article be split between the river and the town? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 12:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyone likely to be near it with a camera any time soon? (This is for an actual drive in the cemetery, not a gravesite.) -- Orderinchaos 08:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi all. Some of the editors here may have more idea than myself on the notability and/or categorisation of the above article. There is nothing provided in the way of sources at present. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 23:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've commented along the lines that this article seems to have been created and managed by Big Brother. Since this is a civilian police unit, it surely warrants some further explication about, eg, its role in managing peaceful protest (as per the recent Sydney APEC fiasco in which they no doubt participated as a training exercise) and the occasional excesses of gunfire (eg, one past execution against the WACA wall). Any comments or suggestions, friends? -- Bjenks 04:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
has been taking a hammering from a series of new and anon accounts, some of which look conflicted of interest to me. The most recent edit deleted her date of birth, for reasons unknown. Does anyone care? Can't say I do. Hesperian 23:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Had a look at Geoscience Australia and could not find evidence of existence for this locality. Locals will know if this place exists better than I do. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 23:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Glen Eagle very easy to cleanup with the help of henrietta - gotta get off - someone needs to do a cleanup at Oldbury, Western Australia - needs similar treatment - wikify project tag and some refs - etc etc Satu Suro 01:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Is now mostly digitised and has an online and free keyword search facility [7]. For example, did you know that the Rottnest Island Lighthouse flashing pattern was changed in 1895? [8] — Moondyne 03:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, the Electoral district of Mitchell (Western Australia) was effectively renamed to Electoral district of Leschenault with minor boundary changes in 2001(?). Do we list Mitchell as abolished or just make it a redirect? I suppose what I'm asking is, what does "abolished" actually mean? — Moondyne 02:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I heard on the radio this morning that he'd died recently, but cannot find any news stories to verify. Has anyone seen anything? — Moondyne 01:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago, somewhere in discussion, I promised to dig up a classic photo of Jamo and the lads. In the days when Hawkie was Caesar, I showed it to some Parlt House press gallery mates, and it brought tears to the eyes (mirth, of course!). Well, here it is for your consideration. Cheers Bjenks 04:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I was shocked by the inadequacy of the article on this important topic and have registered on its discussion page an offer to take it on and improve it (in time). Are there any other takers, please? As a guide, the State Library of Victoria has much better coverage. Bjenks ( talk) 04:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
When looking through articles about the suburbs in particular the southern burbs of Perth please adjust any discussion about the Mandurah to indicate it has opened. Also most bus routes and numbers in the southern areas have changed as of the 24th, please check this information as well. Gnan garra 07:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
User:Somno has given us this gem which has been on my to-do list for yonks. If anyone's going down that way, please take a photo and upload. — Moondyne 01:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've managed to get a complete mayors' list from the Fremantle Library's historical section staff. Could someone please look through the unlinked ones (they take the form A.B. Surname)? I don't know enough about the very early history to determine who they are, but many of the names look familiar. Orderinchaos 13:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Just did this one - as I'm fairly inexperienced at biographies I'd like someone to look this over and see if it can be improved. I'll probably be doing a lot of them in the near future so I'm quite happy to pick up what I can with these early ones. :) Orderinchaos 18:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Fortuyn and Fortuyn (ship) need merging. — Moondyne 15:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I went out very early this morning to get some photos of the railway station, Mt Charlotte reservoir, Mt Percy reservoir, bit of original pipeline etc for the railway related and pipeline articles. Unfortunately the early light doesn't enhance signage and I might have another go tomorrow (Monday, 28/1) if it isn't still too hot. Any requests while I'm out and about? • Florrie• leave a note• 06:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the XfD announcement section on the noticeboard?! Anyhoo, Category:Public servants of Western Australia is at TfD. Hesperian 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In case anyone is looking for something to do, the following are all the articles with {{ fact}}, {{ who}}, {{ citation needed}}, etc, tags in the Western Australia category tree:
Aboriginal history of Western Australia — Alinta — Anigozanthos manglesii — Applecross Senior High School — Australian Railroad Group — Australian Raven — Batavia (ship) — Batavia Road (boat) — Bentley, Western Australia — Bluff Knoll — Brad Hardie — Broad-billed Sandpiper — Broome Regional Prison — Budgerigar — Bunbury, Western Australia — Busselton, Western Australia — Busselton Jetty — Cadoux, Western Australia — Cape to Cape Track — Carine Senior High School — Cartman (band) — Cockatiel — Cockburn Sound — Colin Barnett — Common Pheasant — Convict era of Western Australia — Cosima De Vito — Cottesloe, Western Australia — Currambine railway station, Perth — Dampier Archipelago — Daniel Chick — Daniel Kerr — Dave Warner — Dawesville Channel — Division of Hasluck — Division of Kalgoorlie — Division of Swan — Dowerin, Western Australia — Eastern brown snake — Edeline Islands — Edith Cowan University — Exmouth, Western Australia — Frederick Clause — Fremantle, Western Australia — Girrawheen, Western Australia — Golden West Network — Hal Gibson Pateshall Colebatch — Heathridge, Western Australia — History of Western Australia — Houtman Abrolhos — INXS — Jamie Coyne — John Molloy — John Rivett-Carnac — Julie Bishop — Kent Street Senior High School — Kim Salmon — Kwinana Freeway — Lakeside Joondalup Shopping City — Leatherback turtle — Loggerhead Sea Turtle — Mal Brown — Mallard — Mandurah railway line, Perth — Margaret River, Western Australia — Martha Rendell — Martine Locke — Mary Anne Group — Merredin, Western Australia — Mitchell Freeway — Mount Augustus National Park — Mount Henry Peninsula — Murdoch University — Murujuga — Northbridge, Western Australia — Northern Suburbs Transit System — Nullarbor Plain — Ocean Reef Senior High School — Perth, Western Australia — Perth Airport — Perth Glory FC — Port Hedland, Western Australia — Principality of Hutt River — Queens Park, Western Australia — Red Knot — Riverview Church — Rottnest Island — Ryley Dunn — Scotch College, Perth — Scott Gumbleton — Showgrounds railway station, Perth — SmartRider — Snowman (band) — Sooty Tern — Stirling Range — Sunset Coast CLC — Suze DeMarchi — Swan River Colony — Swinhoe's Storm-petrel — Thornlie, Western Australia — Transperth B-series train — University of Notre Dame Australia — University of Western Australia — Victoria Park railway station, Perth — WOW (TV station) — Wagyl — Wembley Downs, Western Australia — West Coast Eagles — Westrail — White-throated Needletail — Whitfords railway station, Perth — Willagee, Western Australia — Willie Wagtail —
A. O. Neville —
Adam Gilchrist —
Adam Selwood —
Alan Fletcher —
Alexander Heights, Western Australia —
Alfred Bussell —
Arthur Marshall (politician) —
Baldivis, Western Australia —
Banksia prionotes —
Banksia rosserae —
Beaconsfield, Western Australia —
Ben Hollioake —
Brad Hogg —
Broome, Western Australia —
Canning Highway —
Cephalotus* —
Chris Rogers (cricketer) —
Christabel Chamarette —
Cockatoo Island (Western Australia) —
Curtin University of Technology —
Dirk Hartog Island —
Elizabeth Jolley —
Eucalyptus marginata —
Eucla Basin —
Flatback Turtle —
Fourth Floor Collapse—
Fremantle Arts Centre —
Gemma Ward —
Geoff Gallop —
Geraldton, Western Australia —
Great Egret —
Haylie Ecker —
Hazelmere, Western Australia —
Heath Ledger —
High Wycombe, Western Australia —
Hopetoun, Western Australia —
Hungry Jack's —
Jamie Harnwell —
Jeff Farmer (footballer) —
John Butler (musician) —
Joseph Schwab —
Judi Moylan —
Judy Nunn —
Justin Langer —
Kalgoorlie, Western Australia —
Karrinyup Shopping Centre —
Kate Beahan —
Kingsley Fairbridge —
Luke Pomersbach —
Madura, Western Australia —
Magpie-goose —
Methodist Ladies' College, Perth —
Michael Warren (Australian rules footballer) —
Mullaloo, Western Australia —
Murdoch College —
Nik Mrdja —
Nikolai Topor-Stanley —
North Island (Houtman Abrolhos) —
Outcome-based education —
Parkwood, Western Australia —
Peter Walsh (federal politician) —
Portulaca oleracea —
Post Newspapers —
Prosh (University of Western Australia) —
Quindanning, Western Australia —
Quinten Lynch —
Rally Australia —
Richard Trowbridge —
Rolf Harris —
Rove McManus —
Shire of Ngaanyatjarraku —
Simon Colosimo —
South Beach railway station, Perth —
Southern Boobook —
Southern Cross, Western Australia —
Thorny Devil —
Walter Lindrum —
Western Shield —
WestNet Rail —
Woodlands, Western Australia —
Yokine, Western Australia
*contains a {{ Howto}} tag
Feel free to move this list to a more sensible place, if you can think of one. Hesperian 03:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I spent a couple of hours picking apart the vector map of WA I made several months ago, to create individual locator dot maps of the towns on the map. They're in this category on Commons. I was almost finished doing it when I was reminded by someone that you can do dot maps using templates and a base, blank, map nowadays. Bummer. But at least this one is labelled and also marks where Perth is. Are they worth putting into articles, perhaps to replace the ones like this? Either way, they're there to use if anyone wants to. There were a lot of places I left off that original vector map (e.g. Narrogin, Dwellingup...); I can do dot maps for those with a bit more effort if anyone is interested. - Mark 05:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Picked up some questionable editing loading the article in a particular direction which actually seems to be coming from a state government department ( User:Dlgrd). I've tried my best to fix the thing, but with few sources, it's difficult - but I do know from people who have had dealings up there that there are serious questions as to the Government's case on this one, and having the government turn our article into a safety warning is not entirely appropriate. I'm going to be insanely busy this week so would appreciate a few watchful eyes on this one. Orderinchaos 18:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm starting on this, will be going to take photos etc in the coming week or so. Are there any people of interest, memorials in the cemetery that would benefit from specific photos. Gnan garra 00:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Clarance WA, folks to watch out for its the settlement started by Peel, in dec 1829 until may 1830. [13] will need an article if you see any refs please drop me a note or link at User:Gnangarra/Clarence thanks. Gnan garra 01:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"Captain Stirling could be very persuasive when he liked. The Murray River began to gleam with the allure of far waters, and the proposed townsite, for which two names were suggested — either Georgetown (for the present king, George IV), or Clarence (for the heir apparent) — sound both dignified and agreeable."
— Hasluck, Alexandra (1965). Thomas Peel of Swan River. Melbourne: Oxford University Press. p. 75.
Hesperian 10:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I went to Woodman Point jetty recently and found they have recently re-sealed the paths along the ridge above the beach, and installed a plaque which, if I recall correctly, referred to an old settlement in the vicinity. I wonder if this is Clarence. My memory is a bit hazy. Either way, I'll eventually get around to going back and taking a photograph of the plaque. - Mark 15:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There are also two "1836 Clarence Maps" here. I'm not sure which parts of them correspond to the township of Clarence, though, and I suspect that if the answer to the location of the town was as simple as looking at old maps, then the archaeologists wouldn't be scratching their heads wondering where the town was. - Mark 15:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Bradley John Murdoch needs to be moved to Bradley John Murdoch was wrongly convicted and should be freed immediately. Hesperian 23:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
WAPC has a resource of maps from the above. [15] which may be useful for more broad Perth articles. I reckon under the PD rules these maps are allowable as public domain, as I rationalised at Talk:Gordon Stephenson. Any comments there. — Moondyne click! 03:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I am here to propose the deletion of the WP:Perth project. My reasons are as follows;
Any thoughts on this? Thanks. Twenty Years 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking for a photo of a car registration plate that says "Home of the America's Cup". There must be some still around. — Moondyne click! 02:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Per m:Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation#Incorporation_meeting, they're proposing to hold an incorporation meeting on either Sunday 13 April or 20 April. Some suggestion of meetups around the country for this. Can we get some Perth people together on one of those dates? (It's literally just before I leave for Melbourne again, so I'm free.) Orderinchaos 14:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi we have an issue at some of our railway line articles where there is now more graphic material than we can cope with - and not a ref or cite in sight.
I believe as a project we need to have consensus as to graphic information and where we have a limit or not - comments please fellow project lurkers Satu Suro 07:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
A big problem is the enthusiasm to put duplicate graphic information as well as blocks of info and not one cite or ref is there - Satu Suro 08:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jlong 2008 here!!! the Creater of that map on the fremantle line... Thanks for making a 13yr old's feelings hurt... i put lots of effort into that! There is no coopyright issues in it i think... The bus logo i made my self. The writing is just random writing i found on my puter, i got the colours as close as possible and also... it was made originally for an english assignment! I got lots of praise from my computer teachers and art teachers for that!... they watched me make it!!! so anyway... now I've made ones for all the transperth and transwa lines for no use now! plus i was just making the pages a bit more attractive. One user from the perth thingy said that it would be a great idea for me to make one for every line... which i did! i even made the station signs to go on the station pages.. but who care bout that... now i feel bad bout wat i did... BYE! --Jlong2008 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about starting again - i thought of making station signs like they do on the sydney and brisbane ststions... is that a good idea?Or Not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlong2008 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Increasingly cites from wikipedia and this morning (Saturday 15th) - edition an article is written with a refutation of the wikipedia version of west australian political history - it is clearly we are now 'open game' for the journalists of the west to either play with (using full grabs for their info please page)or bat against.
So suggestion - is anyone for a sub page of this project to tabulate hist and misses by local media? It is interesting to note as the West is only local daily neswpaper they even now channel corrections (page 3) - as if they know what they write about - their lifting material from wire sources no longer gets cited (cf the australian) and they write as if they do not have to tell us their sources - perhaps we need to keep them in check when they cite us :| Satu Suro 04:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I never stated specifically attack on wp - more a use for a story starter - Satu Suro 06:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
No problems, the way I wrote above could be easily taken that way - I still think a sub page on their use of WP in any sense would be an interesting exercise Satu Suro 06:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Spooky. I knocked this out on thursday. cygnis insignis 07:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'll try to deal with this in some detail, since I'm the one being quoted. For those who haven't seen it, the article is question is a Len Findlay profile on Fred Riebeling, one of the longest serving members of Parliament in Australia, who is about to retire. The opening couple of paragraphs read
Wikipedia states that Joseph Peter Gardiner's "sudden and still unexplained" departure from WA in 1914 was an important factor in the collapse of John Scaddan's Labor government.
Fred Riebeling knows better.
The longest-serving Speaker in a mainland State Parliament has on his office wall a beautiful picture of Gardiner with his new fiancee, Mary Alice Holman, taken in 1913 when Gardiner was the member for Roebourne. The pair married on May 9, 1914 but never lived together. Riebeling explains: "Her father took Gardiner aside and told him, 'I don't like you and next time I see you I will probably kill you.'
"Gardiner shot through and Labor lost the subsequent election.
The disappointing thing about this is that a superficial read will lead to the impression that Wikipedia doesn't know what it is talking about. However, a more thorough read reveals that Riebeling's position is consistent with ours in asserting that Gardiner's sudden departure was an important factor in the collapse of the Scaddan Government. The only point of difference is that Riebeling reckons he knows why, whereas we claim that it is "still unexplained". Findlay is therefore not saying that the article is wrong. He is trying to show us how Riebeling knows all sorts of stuff that is not mainstream knowledge. In doing so, he holds up Wikipedia as a bastion of mainstream knowledge, and shows how Riebeling knows stuff that even we don't know. I'm prepared to take that as a backhanded compliment.
Secondly, if Findlay wanted to give an example of the insight into WA political history that Riebeling has by virtue of being a long-serving minister, he could have done a lot better than choose an event that happened nearly 40 years before Riebeling was born, and nearly eighty years before he won a seat in Parliament. Findlay insinuates that Riebeling has privileged information, but Riebeling certainly does not. Riebeling wasn't there; he wasn't even born yet. And he doesn't have any privileged access to archival material that isn't also available to the WA parliamentary historian David Black, who writes of how "the governement lost Roebourne to the Liberals on November 17 at a by-election brought about by the mysterious and still unexplained departure from the state of the sitting Labor member" (A New History of Western Australia, p. 386) and how "the Labor Member for Roebourne, J P Gardiner, left the State in mysterious circumstances" (The House on the Hill, p. 100). The fact is, Riebeling is here dealing in parliamentary scuttlebutt, scuttlebutt that Black didn't think worth repeating.
Finally, I see that this has already been added to the article. I agree that it merits adding, but it needs to be done carefully, so as not to attribute Riebeling with more authority on the topic than he actually has. Also, if we're going to add Riebeling's point of view, we might also add Colin Jamieson's, which is that "Gardiner's departure arose from the failed marriage" (The House on the Hill, p. 144).
Hesperian 10:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
To re-jig this all to become a good pair of articles - the history and the timeline need help with copyedit, chasing refs and general cleanup - please join in.
The timeline and the article are symbiotic - and the lead paragraph of the history has yet to be written - and many smaller items in the timeline do not really belong to a west australian article - any suggestions to editing to maintain integrity of the list and article would be apprecited - thanks Satu Suro 02:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I am currently making a transperth trainline map like the one on their trains - it will have some extra information on it unlike their one!-- Jlong2008 ( talk) 09:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyone interested in doing some changes at the portal (so we can take off the under constructions sign?) Satu Suro 00:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The population figures are being changed almost every day at this stage by IP's - and intrepid admin mark tries to hold the fort - anyone interested in resoliving this issue at all? Satu Suro 12:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Can I get a review of my revert here please? And perhaps some eyes on the article for the next few days. Hesperian 23:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Mciver and claisebrook have extra histery on their pages... Midland and Armadale/Thornlie line Stations are now in the works. I'm finally trying new things now .. Yay.-- Jlong2008 ( talk) 01:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
For anyone who hasnt noticed - a preponderance of western australian editors starred in credits at the australia wikiproject item http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost Satu Suro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
On a recent hunt for refs for Caversham airfield - found the following - Lance Muir, Richard Duckworth, N. Hyde, (1946?) Flight without power - the art in Australia [videorecording]1 videocassette (VHS) (12 min., 2 sec.) : si., col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2 in. PAL format [State Film Archives collection] Showing the activities of gliding clubs in the various Australian states. Shows local enthusiast, Ric New, and activities at the bases of operations at Lake Pinjar (Pinjar Soaring Club), West Subiaco (WA Flying Club) and Caversham (Perth Gliding Club) in 1941 and 1946. WA segment is appr. 3 mins.
The interesting bit is West Subiaco (WA Flying club) - does anyone have the slightest whether that means a ground - or airfield - anyone know where it might have been ? Satu Suro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
West Subiaco Aerodrome, McGilvray Oval opposite Perry Lakes and behind CSIRO. [20] There's even a map. — Moondyne click! 07:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
How unfortunate - as articles they are neither a proper disambig, nor developed nor referenced nor really notable (in a few senses) - what a rather stupid decision Satu Suro 05:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Esplanade_Hotel on wikipedia at the moment links to a (expletives deleted) hotel in melbourne - anyone got the loot on the perth and freo establishments of the same name? Satu Suro 05:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Perth one was very much like the barracks arch for many - the rot had set in - most of the old st geos terrace had been flattened to make way for crud - and the espanade hotel was notable in that it was like the terrace buildings given the chop without much of a bleat from the pollies or any cos here was no legislation to preserve anything at that stage (1972)
Henrietta has enough to make it one of the notable hotesl that got the chop before any legal constraints were available to government to say hey! also connection with harper family,
Bedford Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Esplanade Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Paddington Hotel (Perth, W.A.)
Published Gregory, Jenny. City of light, p.114+, Satu Suro 06:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Indeed thats three significantly notable esplanade hotels that need disambiguation and articles, sigh Satu Suro 12:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
And while you're at it, don't forget the Palace Hotel, Perth, which was built on the site of the Freemason's Hotel which was owned by Julian Carr, Mayor of Perth. — Moondyne click! 02:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[22] Seems to have been down for at least the last several days. Does anyone now if its been moved? — Moondyne click! 02:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
No just having trouble to get up again from its changes - dont wait for it - might be a bit longer yet Satu Suro 02:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to invite general comment on the inclusion or otherwise of some material in the Estelle Blackburn article which is questioned by Cygnis Insignis. The details can be seen in the talk page for the article. As I've pointed out on my talk page under the heading BLP this has the potential to affect other articles/references, the "Claremont" article in particular. I also post this to the Australian Wikipedians' notice board Retarius | Talk 06:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
As an uninvolved third party I'm happy to call this closed. Cygnis isn't around at the moment, so there's no point waiting for his blessing. He can always re-open this upon his return. Five days is plenty of time. Let's make the change and move on. Hesperian 00:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
This may be of interest to people with recent picts of WA, it may also be of interest to watch and maybe contact the photographer if a place needing has a picture added. Gnan garra 11:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyone have an opinion whether a similar distinction could be made of Perth in comparison with the Brisbane separation:-
interested in opinions Satu Suro 09:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Remember the WA Portal? Well, it would like your suggestions for articles and pictures to feature! If you have a little time, please nominate quality articles and pictures (generally rated B-class and above, but can be Start-class if on an important topic - refer here for criteria) related to WA. The portal is queued to automatically update the selected article monthly, but weekly would be preferable eventually. We can queue large numbers of articles in advance to avoid the need to update it every week. Thanks, Somno ( talk) 03:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)